Tush Push - still legal, Philly fans begin to heal after rough year (2 Viewers)

[Deamon]

10 voted to maintain the pushing of tushes: Eagles, Ravens, Browns, Lions, Jaguars, Dolphins, Patriots, Saints, Jets, Titans

Pretty obvious looking at the teams, that this has nothing to do with player safety, etc and everything to do with voting for what will help their own team.

Of Philly's 14 opponents next year, 13 voted to ban it (shocker). Good job Lions.

 

[Deamon]

I don't care if it doesn't make sense, the Eagles better run this play on the first play of the game on 1st and 10 vs the Packers this year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Someone do a wellness check on BR.

Lotta folks need some checking in on. Way too much energy and time spent on fake facts and fake arguments to just fail.

To be fair, Schefter said this was basically a done deal.

I’m just sayin, if we’re emptying pillow cases and heating up the tar, he’s arguably the 1st target on the list.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The Eagles had a 100% rate on the QB sneak in 2017 -- they won the Super Bowl.

They had a 91.9% conversion rate on the QB sneak in 2021.

91.3% on the "tush push" from 2022-2024.

 

[BladeRunner]

Love that even with the ban voted down, Eagles fans are still triggered. Truly amazing.

It's quite spectacular to see.

These are the same guys not more than a month or so ago claimed that hardly any team wanted to ban it besides the packers and lo and behold it crept up to 22 teams to give it the axe within that month. It's definitely gone next year but you better believe the Eagles fans were gnashing their teeth the entire time. They got a year reprieve. In 2026 they'll have to find a legitimate way to get over the goal line (if they can).

 

[unckeyherb]

Every team that runs a tush push this year and voted against it should be asked after each game why they vote for a play they think puts their own players' safety at risk.

Right, thats exactly my point.

 

[unckeyherb]

Love that even with the ban voted down, Eagles fans are still triggered. Truly amazing.

It's quite spectacular to see.

These are the same guys not more than a month or so ago claimed that hardly any team wanted to ban it besides the packers and lo and behold it crept up to 22 teams to give it the axe within that month. It's definitely gone next year but you better believe the Eagles fans were gnashing their teeth the entire time. They got a year reprieve. In 2026 they'll have to find a legitimate way to get over the goal line (if they can).

I'd give it a <1% chance of being zipped next year. What is the argument for even proposing to remove it at this point? Everyone made their pitch, the teams voted, it remains legal. What is the new piece of information that is going to necessitate another round of voting? Its like double jeopardy, move along.

The only way this even sniffs another potential vote is if there are multiple bad injuries resulting from the play next season. Of course this can happen but as has been discussed ad nauseum there are no examples of injuries from this play dating back multiple seasons.

 

[Terpman22]

Love that even with the ban voted down, Eagles fans are still triggered. Truly amazing.

It's quite spectacular to see.

These are the same guys not more than a month or so ago claimed that hardly any team wanted to ban it besides the packers and lo and behold it crept up to 22 teams to give it the axe within that month. It's definitely gone next year but you better believe the Eagles fans were gnashing their teeth the entire time. They got a year reprieve. In 2026 they'll have to find a legitimate way to get over the goal line (if they can).

See the funny thing is about this play is everyone focusing on that last yard, but never actually asking the question "How do the Eagles always just get to the 1 yard line to begin with"

Do you remember the first touchdown of the Super Bowl, a Tush Push? I'm sure you do, b/c you obviously have a thing for it.

But do you remember ALSO how they got to be in that position in the first place?

We run this play less than 50x over the course of a 21 game season. Are the Eagles just magically also CHEATING to ya know, just start each drive inside their opponent's 5 yard line?

 

[Terpman22]

Love that even with the ban voted down, Eagles fans are still triggered. Truly amazing.

It's quite spectacular to see.

These are the same guys not more than a month or so ago claimed that hardly any team wanted to ban it besides the packers and lo and behold it crept up to 22 teams to give it the axe within that month. It's definitely gone next year but you better believe the Eagles fans were gnashing their teeth the entire time. They got a year reprieve. In 2026 they'll have to find a legitimate way to get over the goal line (if they can).

I'd give it a <1% chance of being zipped next year. What is the argument for even proposing to remove it at this point? Everyone made their pitch, the teams voted, it remains legal. What is the new piece of information that is going to necessitate another round of voting? Its like double jeopardy, move along.

The only way this even sniffs another potential vote is if there are multiple bad injuries resulting from the play next season. Of course this can happen but as has been discussed ad nauseum there are no examples of injuries from this play dating back multiple seasons.

The minute there is any injury on this play it'll be the evidence justified in banning it. We are talking about 2 teams being the difference...

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I wonder what the O/U will be for # of tush pushes in the game against GB this year? Whatever it is, I’m prop betting the over.

 

[BassNBrew]

Every team that runs a tush push this year and voted against it should be asked after each game why they vote for a play they think puts their own players' safety at risk.

Every team that runs any play is putting players safety at risk. If kickoffs are a player safety issue should the teams that vote against just fair catch every kickoff?

 

[Terpman22]

Every team that runs a tush push this year and voted against it should be asked after each game why they vote for a play they think puts their own players' safety at risk.

Every team that runs any play is putting players safety at risk. If kickoffs are a player safety issue should the teams that vote against just fair catch every kickoff?

I think we can agree there is a distinct difference in how you go about playing the game and using your own best judgement with how to go about the basics of the game. At some point you are going to have to: Field a punt, punt, field a kickoff, kickoff, kick an extra point etc.

Between that

And publicly stating a certain PLAY DESIGN/PLAY is dangerous, vote against its existence in the game,

Then go around and use that play 2nd most in the league behind the team famous for it.

No one is FORCING any team into putting the Tush Push into their playbook.

 

[sm8680]

'Tush push' survives as NFL ban fails to pass - reports​

 

[BassNBrew]

Every team that runs a tush push this year and voted against it should be asked after each game why they vote for a play they think puts their own players' safety at risk.

Every team that runs any play is putting players safety at risk. If kickoffs are a player safety issue should the teams that vote against just fair catch every kickoff?

I think we can agree there is a distinct difference in how you go about playing the game and using your own best judgement with how to go about the basics of the game. At some point you are going to have to: Field a punt, punt, field a kickoff, kickoff, kick an extra point etc.

Between that

And publicly stating a certain PLAY DESIGN/PLAY is dangerous, vote against its existence in the game,

Then go around and use that play 2nd most in the league behind the team famous for it.

No one is FORCING any team into putting the Tush Push into their playbook.

No one is forcing teams to return kickoffs. Regardless of the safety issue, it would be the height of stupidity not to use all the legalo plays available to you.

 

[sm8680]

Pertaining to the current thread title. Philly fans are finally healing not from heartbreak, but from Tush Push debates clogging their feeds. Super Bowl champs, signature sneak still legal, haters silenced life is good. Fly, Eagles, Fly.

 

[Terpman22]

Every team that runs a tush push this year and voted against it should be asked after each game why they vote for a play they think puts their own players' safety at risk.

Every team that runs any play is putting players safety at risk. If kickoffs are a player safety issue should the teams that vote against just fair catch every kickoff?

I think we can agree there is a distinct difference in how you go about playing the game and using your own best judgement with how to go about the basics of the game. At some point you are going to have to: Field a punt, punt, field a kickoff, kickoff, kick an extra point etc.

Between that

And publicly stating a certain PLAY DESIGN/PLAY is dangerous, vote against its existence in the game,

Then go around and use that play 2nd most in the league behind the team famous for it.

No one is FORCING any team into putting the Tush Push into their playbook.

No one is forcing teams to return kickoffs. Regardless of the safety issue, it would be the height of stupidity not to use all the legalo plays available to you.

Stupidity and Hypocrisy are not always the same thing, although IMO they are definitely related to each other.

I'd argue the net loss benefits of never ever putting the tush push into your offense and never ever returning a kickoff probably are not equal.

But do you boo! I think its pretty clear where you stand on the play.

Do you want YOUR team running it this year?

 

[Gally]

The only way this even sniffs another potential vote is if there are multiple bad injuries resulting from the play next season.

What happens if every team starts using it and all succeed at a 92-ish% rate (What the Eagles are at according to this thread)?

I am still of the belief that this is an unfair play for the offense and that the Eagles have perfected it. I also believe other teams will figure it out and it will be of the same success. I believe it will eventually get to that point. I could be wrong.

I think it gives a huge advantage to the offense because they know the snap count and they get to deliver the blow with much more mass behind them. Couple that with it being more of a scrum than a football play and I don't like it as part of the game.

 

[BladeRunner]

Pertaining to the current thread title. Philly fans are finally healing not from heartbreak, but from Tush Push debates clogging their feeds. Super Bowl champs, signature sneak still legal, haters silenced life is good. Fly, Eagles, Fly.

Yeah, sorry, but you'll always have that until they give the DEF the same cheat code. Today's vote not only does NOT silence the debate on the tush push cheat code, but actually makes it even louder.

 

[unckeyherb]

The only way this even sniffs another potential vote is if there are multiple bad injuries resulting from the play next season.

What happens if every team starts using it and all succeed at a 92-ish% rate (What the Eagles are at according to this thread)?

I am still of the belief that this is an unfair play for the offense and that the Eagles have perfected it. I also believe other teams will figure it out and it will be of the same success. I believe it will eventually get to that point. I could be wrong.

I think it gives a huge advantage to the offense because they know the snap count and they get to deliver the blow with much more mass behind them. Couple that with it being more of a scrum than a football play and I don't like it as part of the game.

1. That won't happen. Teams have been trying for the past 2 or 3 years to run it and no one has come close to the success rate of the Eagles. Besides, according to 22 teams this is a player health and safety issue, so I'd have to assume none of them will even attempt it. So you are looking at at most, 9 other teams being successful. No reason to ban it.

2. Every offense know the snap count on every play. Not sure about mass. The opposing defenses are all pretty massive as well, right? And besides, the defending team throws 11 guys at the problem. The way the Eagles run it, usually the RB and Davonta are just standing there, not even pushing.

 

[BassNBrew]

Every team that runs a tush push this year and voted against it should be asked after each game why they vote for a play they think puts their own players' safety at risk.

Every team that runs any play is putting players safety at risk. If kickoffs are a player safety issue should the teams that vote against just fair catch every kickoff?

I think we can agree there is a distinct difference in how you go about playing the game and using your own best judgement with how to go about the basics of the game. At some point you are going to have to: Field a punt, punt, field a kickoff, kickoff, kick an extra point etc.

Between that

And publicly stating a certain PLAY DESIGN/PLAY is dangerous, vote against its existence in the game,

Then go around and use that play 2nd most in the league behind the team famous for it.

No one is FORCING any team into putting the Tush Push into their playbook.

No one is forcing teams to return kickoffs. Regardless of the safety issue, it would be the height of stupidity not to use all the legalo plays available to you.

Stupidity and Hypocrisy are not always the same thing, although IMO they are definitely related to each other.

I'd argue the net loss benefits of never ever putting the tush push into your offense and never ever returning a kickoff probably are not equal.

But do you boo! I think its pretty clear where you stand on the play.

Do you want YOUR team running it this year?

My team has a midget for QB. I want my players tossing him over the line like a Ritz cracker or running a play like this https://images.app.goo.gl/SMDhU8CSgSeouHV5A

 

[massraider]

Good for Philly. And Lurie dropping bombs in the meeting was icing on the cake.

Not much of a better compliment that other teams trying to change the stinking rules to stop you. The whining salty fans make it even better

 

[Gally]

2. Every offense know the snap count on every play. Not sure about mass. The opposing defenses are all pretty massive as well,

The point of the tush push is to get multiple big dudes pushing in unison at the snap count to deliver a blow to a defensive mass before they start to resist. That split second mass/acceleration/blow to the defense gives them the initial push for the yd (or more needed). So while the defense may have equal mass (or more) it is stationary and receives the blow before it can start to push back. That is the advantage.

As far as other teams not being able to copy it, my impression is that they haven't figured it out yet. The other teams do it half-a$$ed and are not in unison like Philly (credit to Philly). But as with everything the more it works the more it will be studied and copied. I just don't think the other teams have committed to figuring it out.......yet. It may never happen but I believe that it will.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The only way this even sniffs another potential vote is if there are multiple bad injuries resulting from the play next season.

What happens if every team starts using it and all succeed at a 92-ish% rate (What the Eagles are at according to this thread)?

I am still of the belief that this is an unfair play for the offense and that the Eagles have perfected it. I also believe other teams will figure it out and it will be of the same success. I believe it will eventually get to that point. I could be wrong.

I think it gives a huge advantage to the offense because they know the snap count and they get to deliver the blow with much more mass behind them. Couple that with it being more of a scrum than a football play and I don't like it as part of the game.

The Eagles had a 100% rate on the QB sneak in 2017 -- they won the Super Bowl.

They had a 91.9% conversion rate on the QB sneak in 2021.

91.3% on the "tush push" from 2022-2024.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

my impression is that they haven't figured it out yet.

We’re 3 years in now. How much longer you think it takes to figure it out?

 

[Gally]

my impression is that they haven't figured it out yet.

We’re 3 years in now. How much longer you think it takes to figure it out?

Don't know. 1st year didn’t count as that was the intro so it's only been two. If the "injury risk" aspect is believed by some teams then they likely haven't tried yet but that will change as that injury risk issue shows to be minimal.

22 teams voting against tells me not many have tried to figure out as why would they if it is going to be outlawed.

So give it another couple years.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

my impression is that they haven't figured it out yet.

We’re 3 years in now. How much longer you think it takes to figure it out?

Don't know. 1st year didn’t count as that was the intro so it's only been two. If the "injury risk" aspect is believed by some teams then they likely haven't tried yet but that will change as that injury risk issue shows to be minimal.

22 teams voting against tells me not many have tried to figure out as why would they if it is going to be outlawed.

So give it another couple years.

In a copycat league like the NFL teams had that play down within months of the first season ending. Teams can’t do it for the same reason why some teams can’t pass well….they don’t have the personnel

 

[Pip's Invitation]

That said, hate away on the Cheeseheads all you want.

Them and the 9 other teams deserve the hate they get. It’s pathetic.

Also I read a stat that said more people have been hurt doing the Lambeau leap than the tush push. Maybe it should be banned?

Did 10 teams vote to ban it or did 22 teams vote to ban it?

10 teams voted to "save it" if you will.

Correct, 22 teams voted to ban it

10 voted to maintain the pushing of tushes: Eagles, Ravens, Browns, Lions, Jaguars, Dolphins, Patriots, Saints, Jets, Titans

For those Eagles fans feeling petty (despite Green Bay obviously bringing this to the table on behalf of the League Office), the Eagles defeated the Packers by that same margin in the playoffs: 22-10

Would have been 29-10 but Saquon chose to run out the clock instead of score.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

A bunch of teams tried to run this last year-Buffalo for instance. Sean McDermott came out publicly stating that this was a player safety issue, first and foremost. While I disagree with this take, I do wonder, can/will Buffalo try to run it again next year? I mean, all these coaches and teams that were pounding their fists on the table about player safety can't possibly run it out again next year, right? What a bad look that would be. The first time that happens, we'll know definitively this had nothing to do with safety and everything to do with removing a successful play from the Eagles' arsenal.

McDermott was probably looking for an excuse to remove it from the Bills' playbook after it failed repeatedly against KC in the AFCCG.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I wonder what the O/U will be for # of tush pushes in the game against GB this year? Whatever it is, I’m prop betting the over.

53

 

[Gally]

my impression is that they haven't figured it out yet.

We’re 3 years in now. How much longer you think it takes to figure it out?

Don't know. 1st year didn’t count as that was the intro so it's only been two. If the "injury risk" aspect is believed by some teams then they likely haven't tried yet but that will change as that injury risk issue shows to be minimal.

22 teams voting against tells me not many have tried to figure out as why would they if it is going to be outlawed.

So give it another couple years.

In a copycat league like the NFL teams had that play down within months of the first season ending. Teams can’t do it for the same reason why some teams can’t pass well….they don’t have the personnel

I disagree that teams had it "down" in the first year. It may be 100% personnel and nobody in 31 other teams can run it but I think it more likely they haven't figured it out yet for a variety of reasons. Time will tell.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I wonder what the O/U will be for # of tush pushes in the game against GB this year? Whatever it is, I’m prop betting the over.

53

over

 

[Bigboy10182000]

my impression is that they haven't figured it out yet.

We’re 3 years in now. How much longer you think it takes to figure it out?

Don't know. 1st year didn’t count as that was the intro so it's only been two. If the "injury risk" aspect is believed by some teams then they likely haven't tried yet but that will change as that injury risk issue shows to be minimal.

22 teams voting against tells me not many have tried to figure out as why would they if it is going to be outlawed.

So give it another couple years.

In a copycat league like the NFL teams had that play down within months of the first season ending. Teams can’t do it for the same reason why some teams can’t pass well….they don’t have the personnel

I disagree that teams had it "down" in the first year. It may be 100% personnel and nobody in 31 other teams can run it but I think it more likely they haven't figured it out yet for a variety of reasons. Time will tell.

Time has already told. Look at how quickly entire offensive systems are copied. We’re talking about one play and 3 years.

It’s also a play we convert less than the standard QB sneak. It’s more probable to say they don’t value it as much because of that than saying teams can’t figure out how to run it.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I wonder what the O/U will be for # of tush pushes in the game against GB this year? Whatever it is, I’m prop betting the over.

53

over

Funny thing about all of this is that we average running that play 2.7 times per game and we’re talking about banning it

 

[Terpman22]

I wonder what the O/U will be for # of tush pushes in the game against GB this year? Whatever it is, I’m prop betting the over.

53

over

Funny thing about all of this is that we average running that play 2.7 times per game and we’re talking about banning it

This. Its funny how the league tried to be "This isn't an anti Eagles rule" yet every article/talking head after the vote ratification and all the haters on here keep crying about how it still helps the Eagles.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I wonder what the O/U will be for # of tush pushes in the game against GB this year? Whatever it is, I’m prop betting the over.

53

over

Funny thing about all of this is that we average running that play 2.7 times per game and we’re talking about banning it

This. Its funny how the league tried to be "This isn't an anti Eagles rule" yet every article/talking head after the vote ratification and all the haters on here keep crying about how it still helps the Eagles.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

 

[trader jake]

I wonder what the O/U will be for # of tush pushes in the game against GB this year? Whatever it is, I’m prop betting the over.

53

over

Funny thing about all of this is that we average running that play 2.7 times per game and we’re talking about banning it

This. Its funny how the league tried to be "This isn't an anti Eagles rule" yet every article/talking head after the vote ratification and all the haters on here keep crying about how it still helps the Eagles.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

Speaking of coming at the king, from ESPN:
...
Toward the end of a speech that lasted close to an hour, Lurie made an analogy, telling the room that regardless of whether the play was banned, it was a "win-win" for the Eagles, adding that it was "like a wet dream for a teenage boy" to create a play that was so successful that the only way for it to be stopped was for it to be banned."

After Lurie finished speaking, executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent chastised the Eagles owner for the "wet dream" comment, specifically for saying it in front of women in the meeting.

Also Jed York had enough.

An hour had passed when San Francisco 49ers owner Jed York asked Lurie "how much more s---" he needed to say.
...
Overall, Lurie seems like a solid owner (that's not a high bar) but WTH? I thought there were some crazy arguments in this thread, but the actual owner talked for an hour and said, "like a wet dream for a teenage boy". Did he at least finish with a "Sorry Joe"?

 

[Terpman22]

I wonder what the O/U will be for # of tush pushes in the game against GB this year? Whatever it is, I’m prop betting the over.

53

over

Funny thing about all of this is that we average running that play 2.7 times per game and we’re talking about banning it

This. Its funny how the league tried to be "This isn't an anti Eagles rule" yet every article/talking head after the vote ratification and all the haters on here keep crying about how it still helps the Eagles.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

Speaking of coming at the king, from ESPN:
...
Toward the end of a speech that lasted close to an hour, Lurie made an analogy, telling the room that regardless of whether the play was banned, it was a "win-win" for the Eagles, adding that it was "like a wet dream for a teenage boy" to create a play that was so successful that the only way for it to be stopped was for it to be banned."

After Lurie finished speaking, executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent chastised the Eagles owner for the "wet dream" comment, specifically for saying it in front of women in the meeting.

Also Jed York had enough.

An hour had passed when San Francisco 49ers owner Jed York asked Lurie "how much more s---" he needed to say.
...
Overall, Lurie seems like a solid owner (that's not a high bar) but WTH? I thought there were some crazy arguments in this thread, but the actual owner talked for an hour and said, "like a wet dream for a teenage boy". Did he at least finish with a "Sorry Joe"?

Haha yeah I read that part. I like cocky Jeff coming out more, I think Howie is starting to rub that part off on him some more. Of course, coming off a Super Bowl win, then having to battle the LEAGUE after you win the Title, trying to ban your signature play.

Has not happened any time in my life watching the NFL where a team wins a Super Bowl and on the 101th day or less of them winning it all, the entire league tries to collude against the winner to change rules that 100% would be at minimum "some" detriment to the Super Bowl winner.

Plus he's a billionaire, whats really gonna happen lol

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Philly (and Boston) are the two cities with the biggest metaphorical chip on their shoulder.

I think the city has rubbed off on Lurie (who is from Boston originally?) and the fans absolutely eat this stuff up.

“You think yer better than me, Roger?!?!?!”

 

[Gally]

“You think yer better than me, Roger?!?!?!”

maybe his last name is actually Mandlebaum....

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I think the ban should have passed this time -- it's not just that play, it's assisting any ball-carrier through pushing/pulling, which I think goes against the spirit of the game and could lead to injury.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

my impression is that they haven't figured it out yet.

We’re 3 years in now. How much longer you think it takes to figure it out?

Don't know. 1st year didn’t count as that was the intro so it's only been two. If the "injury risk" aspect is believed by some teams then they likely haven't tried yet but that will change as that injury risk issue shows to be minimal.

22 teams voting against tells me not many have tried to figure out as why would they if it is going to be outlawed.

So give it another couple years.

Sorry but this doesn't make sense to me. 1st year didn't count as it was an "intro" year?

When the Dolphins blew up the Patriots with the wildcat all those years ago it took the rest of the league exactly 1 week to start implementing it.

And that's a much more dangerous play to run (in football terms) because you're putting the snap and offense in the hands of a guy that's not used to being in that position. It was like 3 weeks before teams were running halfback passes and trick plays out of it with guys that had never taken a direct snap before in their life.

This idea that teams just haven't taken the time to sit down and sus out the proper logistics of this play 3 years later doesn't jive. It's a copycat league. Teams have more than done their due diligence at this point.

The whole league hasn't copied it for the same reason the whole league still hasn't copied Brady's quick-surprise QB sneaks that he converted at an even higher rate than the tush-push. Because it takes the right personnel to do it in a way that's any more advantageous than a traditional QB sneak.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Haha yeah I read that part. I like cocky Jeff coming out more, I think Howie is starting to rub that part off on him some more.

Wait, you think begging the other 31 owners FOR AN HOUR not to ban your dumb version of a QB sneak is cocky?

 

[Gally]

This idea that teams just haven't taken the time to sit down and sus out the proper logistics of this play 3 years later is nuts. It's a copycat league. Teams have more than done their due diligence at this point.

If teams aren't prioritizing it they aren't putting in the time. What I a see other teams do is something that looks like they haven't worked on it to accomplish the uniformity needed to run it well. Things like late on the snap count, the QB not timed right, the pusher missing. These seem like things that professional football players should be able to do. These don't seem like a unique skill. They seem like things that happen when you aren't in sync because you haven't spent time on the play. They just assume they can run it becauase it's easy.

I think to run it well is difficult and takes a lot of practice. There is a team timing aspect that would take repetition to acquire. It doesn't look to me that teams are taking it seriouse enough to spend the time needed to sync up. I don't think it is a unique skill set but I could be wrong. Maybe it is all personnel driven and the Eagles are just different. If that is the case then keep it in. More power to them.

 

[BladeRunner]

I think the ban should have passed this time -- it's not just that play, it's assisting any ball-carrier through pushing/pulling, which I think goes against the spirit of the game and could lead to injury.

And this is EXACTLY the reason why those on the "ban it" side give. It's a very simple and logical reason that the pretzel-logic defenders fail to grasp.

 

[Ilov80s]

I think the ban should have passed this time -- it's not just that play, it's assisting any ball-carrier through pushing/pulling, which I think goes against the spirit of the game and could lead to injury.

Please define the spirit of the game for me and what other dangerous actions should be removed?

 

[Ilov80s]

Why can DL legally catch a pass and OL can’t? Unfair. And against the spirit of the game since OL were allowed to catch passes every play until 1951. and if we ban pushing an offensive player with the ball we should ban defenders from gang tackling. One tackler at a time so it’s fair and safe.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think the ban should have passed this time -- it's not just that play, it's assisting any ball-carrier through pushing/pulling, which I think goes against the spirit of the game and could lead to injury.

And this is EXACTLY the reason why those on the "ban it" side give. It's a very simple and logical reason that the pretzel-logic defenders fail to grasp.

Things are always simple and common sense when we agree with them.

 

[BladeRunner]

I think the ban should have passed this time -- it's not just that play, it's assisting any ball-carrier through pushing/pulling, which I think goes against the spirit of the game and could lead to injury.

And this is EXACTLY the reason why those on the "ban it" side give. It's a very simple and logical reason that the pretzel-logic defenders fail to grasp.

Things are always simple and common sense when we agree with them.

So "you can't assist the runner" is a hard concept for you to grasp? It's not so simple for you? That just completely boggles your mind and you can't understand it?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think the ban should have passed this time -- it's not just that play, it's assisting any ball-carrier through pushing/pulling, which I think goes against the spirit of the game and could lead to injury.

And this is EXACTLY the reason why those on the "ban it" side give. It's a very simple and logical reason that the pretzel-logic defenders fail to grasp.

Things are always simple and common sense when we agree with them.

So "you can't assist the runner" is a hard concept for you to grasp? It's not so simple for you? That just completely boggles your mind and you can't understand it?

I can grasp it. I just think it's "opinion" not "common sense".

No need for condescension in your indignance.

 

[BladeRunner]

I think the ban should have passed this time -- it's not just that play, it's assisting any ball-carrier through pushing/pulling, which I think goes against the spirit of the game and could lead to injury.

And this is EXACTLY the reason why those on the "ban it" side give. It's a very simple and logical reason that the pretzel-logic defenders fail to grasp.

Things are always simple and common sense when we agree with them.

So "you can't assist the runner" is a hard concept for you to grasp? It's not so simple for you? That just completely boggles your mind and you can't understand it?

I can grasp it. I just think it's "opinion" not "common sense".

No need for condescension in your indignance.

I'm not trying to be condescending. I just think this is as basic as it gets in football and it's not some complex idea on my part.