Tush Push - still legal, Philly fans begin to heal after rough year (2 Viewers)

[styleride85]

The focus on this particular play is masking the real issue — offensive lineman shouldn’t be able to push a runner forward. Whether on the goalline or in the open field. That’s just stupid, regardless of where it happens.

Someone said this play was once illegal. Is that true? If yes, why was it made legal? I compare it to the play where it is illegal on a field goal kick attempt for a defender to use a lineman as leverage to climb the wall to block a kick, so OL shouldn't be able to push the runner forward. What they have today is rugby as I said earlier.

It used to be a penalty to aid the ball carrier. Then they changed it in 2005 to allow pushing the runner forward (still a flag if you pull the runner). If the league went back to the original rule, I'd be fine with that. What I have an issue with is all the complaining about pushing the QB and wanting that banned. No one wants to stop pushing a WR or a RB over the goal though for some reason - just the QB. And only 1 team is successful in doing it, but for some reason its a problem.

I think most people in here lobbying for a change agree that they should change the rule so that nobody can be pushed forward — whether WR, RB, TE, QB…..

Really? Because I haven't seen the outcry when a WR or RB is pushed. But this thread sure gets bumped every time Hurts is pushed over the goal line.

It’s been discussed in here multiple times before

Then I would expect the discussion to be focused more on banning the aid of any ball carrier, at any point on the field. I hope we can all get behind that. Then we can discuss if its fair for the defense to have 6 players pushing the RB backwards but the offense can't join in to push the player forward.

I'm pretty sure that the next time a WR gets pushed over the goalline, that all these people won't be rushing to post in here complaining.

 

[styleride85]

Brady converted 91.1% of QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and 1 for his career. A higher percentage than Hurts. He attempted around 3x as many as the next closest QB over each dataset (IE averaged out for his length of career).

Brady did it with smarts (rushing everyone to the line for a quick snap). Why didn't other teams just copy it? Because they couldn't, just like teams haven't been able to copy the Eagle's success. Why didn't the league just ban rushing to the line for a quick QB sneak before the defense was ready before it became an epidemic? Because there was no reason to. He and his linemen had the tools to run the play, and there was no reason to punish them for being better at it than everyone else.

Same thing for the Eagles here, who would most likely be far and away above the league average on short yardage attempts whether they were pushing the pile or running traditional short yardage plays, something you couldn't say for the Patriots.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

The focus on this particular play is masking the real issue — offensive lineman shouldn’t be able to push a runner forward. Whether on the goalline or in the open field. That’s just stupid, regardless of where it happens.

Someone said this play was once illegal. Is that true? If yes, why was it made legal? I compare it to the play where it is illegal on a field goal kick attempt for a defender to use a lineman as leverage to climb the wall to block a kick, so OL shouldn't be able to push the runner forward. What they have today is rugby as I said earlier.

It used to be a penalty to aid the ball carrier. Then they changed it in 2005 to allow pushing the runner forward (still a flag if you pull the runner). If the league went back to the original rule, I'd be fine with that. What I have an issue with is all the complaining about pushing the QB and wanting that banned. No one wants to stop pushing a WR or a RB over the goal though for some reason - just the QB. And only 1 team is successful in doing it, but for some reason its a problem.

I think most people in here lobbying for a change agree that they should change the rule so that nobody can be pushed forward — whether WR, RB, TE, QB…..

Really? Because I haven't seen the outcry when a WR or RB is pushed. But this thread sure gets bumped every time Hurts is pushed over the goal line.

It’s been discussed in here multiple times before

Then I would expect the discussion to be focused more on banning the aid of any ball carrier, at any point on the field. I hope we can all get behind that. Then we can discuss if its fair for the defense to have 6 players pushing the RB backwards but the offense can't join in to push the player forward.

I'm pretty sure that the next time a WR gets pushed over the goalline, that all these people won't be rushing to post in here complaining.

I’m sure you are correct — but that probably isn’t the litmus test we should be using.

 

[JohnnyU]

Brady converted 91.1% of QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and 1 for his career. A higher percentage than Hurts. He attempted around 3x as many as the next closest QB over each dataset (IE averaged out for his length of career).

Brady did it with smarts (rushing everyone to the line for a quick snap). Why didn't other teams just copy it? Because they couldn't, just like teams haven't been able to copy the Eagle's success. Why didn't the league just ban rushing to the line for a quick QB sneak before the defense was ready before it became an epidemic? Because there was no reason to. He and his linemen had the tools to run the play, and there was no reason to punish them for being better at it than everyone else.

Same thing for the Eagles here, who would most likely be far and away above the league average on short yardage attempts whether they were pushing the pile or running traditional short yardage plays, something you couldn't say for the Patriots.

Then don't ban defensive players from using lineman as leverage to block a FG. What's the difference? Both are using other players as leverage?

 

[Amused to Death]

Who here had an issue with pushing the ball carrier prior to last year? Its been allowed, and used, since 2005. Or did you just start caring about it when the Eagles became successful with it?

 

[JohnnyU]

Who here had an issue with pushing the ball carrier prior to last year? Its been allowed, and used, since 2005. Or did you just start caring about it when the Eagles became successful with it?

If I wanted to watch rugby I would tune into some European channel.

 

[Terpman22]

Who here had an issue with pushing the ball carrier prior to last year? Its been allowed, and used, since 2005. Or did you just start caring about it when the Eagles became successful with it?

If I wanted to watch rugby I would tune into some European channel.

Or you could just watch every game that's not an Eagles game. No one is making you watch it lol.

 

[JohnnyU]

Brady converted 91.1% of QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and 1 for his career. A higher percentage than Hurts. He attempted around 3x as many as the next closest QB over each dataset (IE averaged out for his length of career).

Brady did it with smarts (rushing everyone to the line for a quick snap). Why didn't other teams just copy it? Because they couldn't, just like teams haven't been able to copy the Eagle's success. Why didn't the league just ban rushing to the line for a quick QB sneak before the defense was ready before it became an epidemic? Because there was no reason to. He and his linemen had the tools to run the play, and there was no reason to punish them for being better at it than everyone else.

Same thing for the Eagles here, who would most likely be far and away above the league average on short yardage attempts whether they were pushing the pile or running traditional short yardage plays, something you couldn't say for the Patriots.

No

Then don't ban defensive players from using lineman as leverage to block a FG. What's the difference? Both are using other players as leverage?

No one seems to want to touch this.

 

[Amused to Death]

Who here had an issue with pushing the ball carrier prior to last year? Its been allowed, and used, since 2005. Or did you just start caring about it when the Eagles became successful with it?

If I wanted to watch rugby I would tune into some European channel.

Again, its not rugby. Take it up with @CletiusMaximus.

And is it just when the QB is involved or do you also have an issue with a RB running into the pile for a yard and a cloud of dust?

 

[JohnnyU]

Who here had an issue with pushing the ball carrier prior to last year? Its been allowed, and used, since 2005. Or did you just start caring about it when the Eagles became successful with it?

If I wanted to watch rugby I would tune into some European channel.

Again, its not rugby. Take it up with @CletiusMaximus.

And is it just when the QB is involved or do you also have an issue with a RB running into the pile for a yard and a cloud of dust?

I'm against being able to use any player for leverage, by either climbing up their back for a block, or using a lineman to push you from behind. Both are leverage oriented to gain an advantage.

 

[Amused to Death]

Brady converted 91.1% of QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and 1 for his career. A higher percentage than Hurts. He attempted around 3x as many as the next closest QB over each dataset (IE averaged out for his length of career).

Brady did it with smarts (rushing everyone to the line for a quick snap). Why didn't other teams just copy it? Because they couldn't, just like teams haven't been able to copy the Eagle's success. Why didn't the league just ban rushing to the line for a quick QB sneak before the defense was ready before it became an epidemic? Because there was no reason to. He and his linemen had the tools to run the play, and there was no reason to punish them for being better at it than everyone else.

Same thing for the Eagles here, who would most likely be far and away above the league average on short yardage attempts whether they were pushing the pile or running traditional short yardage plays, something you couldn't say for the Patriots.

No

Then don't ban defensive players from using lineman as leverage to block a FG. What's the difference? Both are using other players as leverage?

No one seems to want to touch this.

I've answered it twice, but ok here's number 3. Ban all players from aiding the ball carrier. Don't carve out an exception for the QB. I hear you on this, really. Don't help any player, period.

ETA: but would you also ban it on the defensive side when multiple defenders gang up on the ball carrier?

 

[Terpman22]

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[Amused to Death]

Who here had an issue with pushing the ball carrier prior to last year? Its been allowed, and used, since 2005. Or did you just start caring about it when the Eagles became successful with it?

If I wanted to watch rugby I would tune into some European channel.

Again, its not rugby. Take it up with @CletiusMaximus.

And is it just when the QB is involved or do you also have an issue with a RB running into the pile for a yard and a cloud of dust?

I'm against being able to use any player for leverage, by either climbing up their back for a block, or using a lineman to push you from behind. Both are leverage oriented to gain an advantage.

And I can't be more clear how much I would support that - just make it for all ball carriers/players anywhere on the field.

 

[JohnnyU]

Brady converted 91.1% of QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and 1 for his career. A higher percentage than Hurts. He attempted around 3x as many as the next closest QB over each dataset (IE averaged out for his length of career).

Brady did it with smarts (rushing everyone to the line for a quick snap). Why didn't other teams just copy it? Because they couldn't, just like teams haven't been able to copy the Eagle's success. Why didn't the league just ban rushing to the line for a quick QB sneak before the defense was ready before it became an epidemic? Because there was no reason to. He and his linemen had the tools to run the play, and there was no reason to punish them for being better at it than everyone else.

Same thing for the Eagles here, who would most likely be far and away above the league average on short yardage attempts whether they were pushing the pile or running traditional short yardage plays, something you couldn't say for the Patriots.

No

Then don't ban defensive players from using lineman as leverage to block a FG. What's the difference? Both are using other players as leverage?

No one seems to want to touch this.

I've answered it twice, but ok here's number 3. Ban all players from aiding the ball carrier. Don't carve out an exception for the QB. I hear you on this, really. Don't help any player, period.

You seem to be fixated that I'm focusing on Hurts or any QB. If you read my posts you will see that I was not. I'll repeat, I'm against being able to use any player for leverage, by either climbing up their back for a block, or using a lineman to push you from behind. Both are leverage oriented to gain an advantage.

 

[Amused to Death]

Brady converted 91.1% of QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and 1 for his career. A higher percentage than Hurts. He attempted around 3x as many as the next closest QB over each dataset (IE averaged out for his length of career).

Brady did it with smarts (rushing everyone to the line for a quick snap). Why didn't other teams just copy it? Because they couldn't, just like teams haven't been able to copy the Eagle's success. Why didn't the league just ban rushing to the line for a quick QB sneak before the defense was ready before it became an epidemic? Because there was no reason to. He and his linemen had the tools to run the play, and there was no reason to punish them for being better at it than everyone else.

Same thing for the Eagles here, who would most likely be far and away above the league average on short yardage attempts whether they were pushing the pile or running traditional short yardage plays, something you couldn't say for the Patriots.

No

Then don't ban defensive players from using lineman as leverage to block a FG. What's the difference? Both are using other players as leverage?

No one seems to want to touch this.

I've answered it twice, but ok here's number 3. Ban all players from aiding the ball carrier. Don't carve out an exception for the QB. I hear you on this, really. Don't help any player, period.

You seem to be fixated that I'm focusing on Hurts or any QB. If you read my posts you will see that I was not. I'll repeat, I'm against being able to use any player for leverage, by either climbing up their back for a block, or using a lineman to push you from behind. Both are leverage oriented to gain an advantage.

Then we're in complete agreement.

 

[styleride85]

Brady converted 91.1% of QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and 1 for his career. A higher percentage than Hurts. He attempted around 3x as many as the next closest QB over each dataset (IE averaged out for his length of career).

Brady did it with smarts (rushing everyone to the line for a quick snap). Why didn't other teams just copy it? Because they couldn't, just like teams haven't been able to copy the Eagle's success. Why didn't the league just ban rushing to the line for a quick QB sneak before the defense was ready before it became an epidemic? Because there was no reason to. He and his linemen had the tools to run the play, and there was no reason to punish them for being better at it than everyone else.

Same thing for the Eagles here, who would most likely be far and away above the league average on short yardage attempts whether they were pushing the pile or running traditional short yardage plays, something you couldn't say for the Patriots.

No

Then don't ban defensive players from using lineman as leverage to block a FG. What's the difference? Both are using other players as leverage?

No one seems to want to touch this.

I've answered it twice, but ok here's number 3. Ban all players from aiding the ball carrier. Don't carve out an exception for the QB. I hear you on this, really. Don't help any player, period.

You seem to be fixated that I'm focusing on Hurts or any QB. If you read my posts you will see that I was not. I'll repeat, I'm against being able to use any player for leverage, by either climbing up their back for a block, or using a lineman to push you from behind. Both are leverage oriented to gain an advantage.

Care to show all your posts from 2005-2020 where you were upset about other players getting pushed into the endzone? Or, again, did you just suddenly start caring about it the last 2 years when a QB did it?

 

[JohnnyU]

Brady converted 91.1% of QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and 1 for his career. A higher percentage than Hurts. He attempted around 3x as many as the next closest QB over each dataset (IE averaged out for his length of career).

Brady did it with smarts (rushing everyone to the line for a quick snap). Why didn't other teams just copy it? Because they couldn't, just like teams haven't been able to copy the Eagle's success. Why didn't the league just ban rushing to the line for a quick QB sneak before the defense was ready before it became an epidemic? Because there was no reason to. He and his linemen had the tools to run the play, and there was no reason to punish them for being better at it than everyone else.

Same thing for the Eagles here, who would most likely be far and away above the league average on short yardage attempts whether they were pushing the pile or running traditional short yardage plays, something you couldn't say for the Patriots.

No

Then don't ban defensive players from using lineman as leverage to block a FG. What's the difference? Both are using other players as leverage?

No one seems to want to touch this.

I've answered it twice, but ok here's number 3. Ban all players from aiding the ball carrier. Don't carve out an exception for the QB. I hear you on this, really. Don't help any player, period.

You seem to be fixated that I'm focusing on Hurts or any QB. If you read my posts you will see that I was not. I'll repeat, I'm against being able to use any player for leverage, by either climbing up their back for a block, or using a lineman to push you from behind. Both are leverage oriented to gain an advantage.

Care to show all your posts from 2005-2020 where you were upset about other players getting pushed into the endzone? Or, again, did you just suddenly start caring about it the last 2 years when a QB did it?

You can do that if you want to. If memory serves I don't think I ever commented on the subject from 2005-2020 and when I did after that I don't recall concentrating on JUST the QB being pushed, but may have mentioned Hurts because he was relevant in the conversation at the time. I believe I've made it clear that I'm against anyone being pushed from behind to gain leverage and that's what this is, LEVERAGE. They ban a player from climbing up the back of lineman for LEVERAGE to block a kick, so how is pushing someone from behind any different? Both are LEVERAGE oriented.

 

[Gatorman]

I think the bottom line to this (and I marginally care about this issue) is there should be no "Pushing the pile" for the ballcarrier within 5 yards of where the ball is snapped. You can adjust that accordingly but if a player from behind "actively" pushes the ballcarrier from behind or actively "Pulls him" from the front, that would be a 5 yard penalty. It still allows for QB sneaks, it just requires the QB to be the force of the play without active help.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Who here had an issue with pushing the ball carrier prior to last year? Its been allowed, and used, since 2005. Or did you just start caring about it when the Eagles became successful with it?

I’ve just started noticing it more the past 4-5 years (not because of Hurts — didn’t know about him until this thread got started) and bluntly it has annoyed me every single time I’ve seen guys do it. It’s not football. It’s stupid. Personally I consider it far more annoying when it happens in open field than when it happens on the goalline.

 

[Todem]

I just think it’s an ugly play and would not mind it outlawed.

My life won’t change if it stays….I’ll just keep saying it looks ugly and a suck *** chicken **** play.

In the end…..1st world problems lol.

 

[Todem]

I think the bottom line to this (and I marginally care about this issue) is there should be no "Pushing the pile" for the ballcarrier within 5 yards of where the ball is snapped. You can adjust that accordingly but if a player from behind "actively" pushes the ballcarrier from behind or actively "Pulls him" from the front, that would be a 5 yard penalty. It still allows for QB sneaks, it just requires the QB to be the force of the play without active help.

Yeah agree. Do something to modify the act of this.

Hopefully they will review it again for next season.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I just think it’s an ugly play and would not mind it outlawed.

My life won’t change if it stays….I’ll just keep saying it looks ugly and a suck *** chicken **** play.

In the end…..1st world problems lol.

Do you think it’s ugly when 5 OL guys run down the open field on a pass and try to push the WR or the TE forward?

 

[massraider]

Do you think it’s ugly when 5 OL guys run down the open field on a pass and try to push the WR or the TE forward?

I love that personally.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Do you think it’s ugly when 5 OL guys run down the open field on a pass and try to push the WR or the TE forward?

I love that personally.

Me too — except I only like it when defensive players fly in and try to injure the morons pushing the runner forward.

 

[Todem]

I just think it’s an ugly play and would not mind it outlawed.

My life won’t change if it stays….I’ll just keep saying it looks ugly and a suck *** chicken **** play.

In the end…..1st world problems lol.

Do you think it’s ugly when 5 OL guys run down the open field on a pass and try to push the WR or the TE forward?

You know that’s a valid point….I say it’s in the heat of the moment and some awareness of the situation unfolding.

It’s not a premeditated play.

It just feels different if you know what I mean.

Again….if it never gets changed….oh well.

 

[OU#1]

Why isn’t everybody doing it?

Why is Philly the only ones who can seem to do this?

Answer:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

/THE END

Boomer!!

 

[styleride85]

It’s not football.

I don't understand this argument. What exactly "is football" and "isn't football"? When onside kicks first starting happening, I'm sure you could say those "weren't football". When a flea flicker first happened... how is that "football"?

What makes that not football, it's a football play, it's 11 on 11, it's been done for decades without a whisper of people caring, and the official rules makers of the NFL have deemed it a legal football play.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It’s not football.

I don't understand this argument. What exactly "is football" and "isn't football"? When onside kicks first starting happening, I'm sure you could say those "weren't football". When a flea flicker first happened... how is that "football"?

What makes that not football, it's a football play, it's 11 on 11, it's been done for decades without a whisper of people caring, and the official rules makers of the NFL have deemed it a legal football play.

It was an illegal play. I have no idea why the NFL made it legal and really don’t care why. It’s patently obvious watching a game that guys shouldn’t be able to pull or push a “runner” forward. It’s dumb.

 

[styleride85]

It’s not football.

I don't understand this argument. What exactly "is football" and "isn't football"? When onside kicks first starting happening, I'm sure you could say those "weren't football". When a flea flicker first happened... how is that "football"?

What makes that not football, it's a football play, it's 11 on 11, it's been done for decades without a whisper of people caring, and the official rules makers of the NFL have deemed it a legal football play.

It was an illegal play. I have no idea why the NFL made it legal and really don’t care why. It’s patently obvious watching a game that guys shouldn’t be able to pull or push a “runner” forward. It’s dumb.

The game changes and evolves. Just because something used to be illegal, doesn't mean it's "not football". By those standards, all sorts of things wouldn't 'be football'.

It is 100% football, it's 100% a legal football play in today's game, and it is no 'less football' than any other play that is currently allowed in the NFL. I can get you not liking the rule, but don't at all understand the 'not football' angle.

 

[Lehigh98]

If you don't like it, stop it.

 

[Amused to Death]

It was an illegal play. I have no idea why the NFL made it legal and really don’t care why.

It was too difficult to legislate, so they changed the rule to allow pushing but not pulling (which I guess is much easier to spot).

 

[massraider]

Why isn’t everybody doing it?

Why is Philly the only ones who can seem to do this?

Answer:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

/THE END

Boomer!!

Drug test this roid monkey.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It was an illegal play. I have no idea why the NFL made it legal and really don’t care why.

It was too difficult to legislate, so they changed the rule to allow pushing but not pulling (which I guess is much easier to spot).

It’s pretty hard to understand why one of those is easy to spot but the other isn’t. But hey, I’m not an NFL ref!

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It’s not football.

I don't understand this argument. What exactly "is football" and "isn't football"? When onside kicks first starting happening, I'm sure you could say those "weren't football". When a flea flicker first happened... how is that "football"?

What makes that not football, it's a football play, it's 11 on 11, it's been done for decades without a whisper of people caring, and the official rules makers of the NFL have deemed it a legal football play.

It was an illegal play. I have no idea why the NFL made it legal and really don’t care why. It’s patently obvious watching a game that guys shouldn’t be able to pull or push a “runner” forward. It’s dumb.

The game changes and evolves. Just because something used to be illegal, doesn't mean it's "not football". By those standards, all sorts of things wouldn't 'be football'.

It is 100% football, it's 100% a legal football play in today's game, and it is no 'less football' than any other play that is currently allowed in the NFL. I can get you not liking the rule, but don't at all understand the 'not football' angle.

Very fair points

 

[ghostguy123]

They all play by the same rules. If you can't stop it, then do it yourself.

 

[OU#1]

I see this as no different as when a RB gets stuffed and the oline “pushes the pile” and gets the RB extra yardage.

The only difference is it’s short yardage, everybody knows it’s coming so it’s not spontaneous, and the QB is running the ball.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Can I get a link to all those players that have been hurt by this play? I mean, that was one of the original arguments wasn’t it? I find it an absurd argument, but it was nonetheless.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Can I get a link to all those players that have been hurt by this play? I mean, that was one of the original arguments wasn’t it? I find it an absurd argument, but it was nonetheless.

This is pretty weak logic. Part of the talk track in here is “nobody does this except Hurts and the Eagles.” If you accept that premise, then of course it will be challenging to find mounds of examples of injuries from this specific play.

If every team starts doing this, we will quickly see players get hurt. Not sure how anyone can watch the play and expect anything different.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Can I get a link to all those players that have been hurt by this play? I mean, that was one of the original arguments wasn’t it? I find it an absurd argument, but it was nonetheless.

This is pretty weak logic. Part of the talk track in here is “nobody does this except Hurts and the Eagles.” If you accept that premise, then of course it will be challenging to find mounds of examples of injuries from this specific play.

If every team starts doing this, we will quickly see players get hurt. Not sure how anyone can watch the play and expect anything different.

Weak logic is suggesting that we will see something that we are not seeing, There is zero proof that this is any more dangerous than any other football play.

 

[ghostguy123]

Can I get a link to all those players that have been hurt by this play? I mean, that was one of the original arguments wasn’t it? I find it an absurd argument, but it was nonetheless.

This is pretty weak logic. Part of the talk track in here is “nobody does this except Hurts and the Eagles.” If you accept that premise, then of course it will be challenging to find mounds of examples of injuries from this specific play.

If every team starts doing this, we will quickly see players get hurt. Not sure how anyone can watch the play and expect anything different.

I see less chance of guys getting hurt on a play like this than when running full speed and getting tackled/blocked/tackling

 

[Cjw_55106]

For the record, I’m not looking for mounds of injury examples. Can I get one or two?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Can I get a link to all those players that have been hurt by this play? I mean, that was one of the original arguments wasn’t it? I find it an absurd argument, but it was nonetheless.

This is pretty weak logic. Part of the talk track in here is “nobody does this except Hurts and the Eagles.” If you accept that premise, then of course it will be challenging to find mounds of examples of injuries from this specific play.

If every team starts doing this, we will quickly see players get hurt. Not sure how anyone can watch the play and expect anything different.

Weak logic is suggesting that we will see something that we are not seeing, There is zero proof that this is any more dangerous than any other football play.

Not really. That’s how small sample sizes work.

 

[Amused to Death]

Can I get a link to all those players that have been hurt by this play? I mean, that was one of the original arguments wasn’t it? I find it an absurd argument, but it was nonetheless.

This is pretty weak logic. Part of the talk track in here is “nobody does this except Hurts and the Eagles.” If you accept that premise, then of course it will be challenging to find mounds of examples of injuries from this specific play.

If every team starts doing this, we will quickly see players get hurt. Not sure how anyone can watch the play and expect anything different.

Weak logic is suggesting that we will see something that we are not seeing, There is zero proof that this is any more dangerous than any other football play.

Not really. That’s how small sample sizes work.

The Eagles have run that play 43 times so far without an injury. Not a large sample size, but its not like its only been run a few times.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Can I get a link to all those players that have been hurt by this play? I mean, that was one of the original arguments wasn’t it? I find it an absurd argument, but it was nonetheless.

This is pretty weak logic. Part of the talk track in here is “nobody does this except Hurts and the Eagles.” If you accept that premise, then of course it will be challenging to find mounds of examples of injuries from this specific play.

If every team starts doing this, we will quickly see players get hurt. Not sure how anyone can watch the play and expect anything different.

Weak logic is suggesting that we will see something that we are not seeing, There is zero proof that this is any more dangerous than any other football play.

Not really. That’s how small sample sizes work.

The Eagles have run that play 43 times so far without an injury. Not a large sample size, but its not like its only been run a few times.

43 plays in football is an incredibly small sample size. I do get the broader point though.

The injury issue isn’t my personal reason for disliking when other players push or pull a runner. But I realize it’s been brought up in here.

 

[need2know]

Why isn’t everybody doing it?

Why is Philly the only ones who can seem to do this?

Answer:

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Drug test this roid monkey.

Haha roid monkey is a good one

 

[massraider]

If every team starts doing this, we will quickly see players get hurt. Not sure how anyone can watch the play and expect anything different.

Rugby highlights. Scrum multiple times a game. Everyone seems OK. Yes it helps that they have muscles in their earlobes, calves like my waist, but still.

Injuries happen when someone is building up some speed. Compare this play to a QB getting a hit right as he throws. Not even close. Much more dangerous in the pocket. 270 pound guy with a 5 yard runway? Brutal.

The injury thing, whatever. No one really cares, it's not the real reason.

 

[Tanner9919]

I'm not as bothered by the scrum plays as I am at the constant false starts that aren't called on offensive linemen.seems every RT commits a FS on every pass play? don't believe me? go watch highlights of the chiefs week 1 game. every damn play, the RT #74, false starts. there is simply no way a 250lb lineman gets out of the stance before the center and doesn't get called for it. he's not the only one plenty of other tackles are guilty of this. If I'm Doug Pederson, I'm straight up telling the refs, watch #74 and the false starts. dude should be brought up on charges.it's cheating, people, straight up cheating.

 

[Ilov80s]

I still don't understand what people have against the play?

 

[need2know]

Cry babies cry

 

[renesauz]

The focus on this particular play is masking the real issue — offensive lineman shouldn’t be able to push a runner forward. Whether on the goalline or in the open field. That’s just stupid, regardless of where it happens.

But this happens all over the field, both ways. It's not unique to this specific play. Lineman push RBs constantly, defenders push in the backs of their own defenders who squared up with a runner, all the time. It doesn't make send to outlaw it in one specific instance and not all the others...which, by the way, very often contain an element of one of the biggest risk factors...momentum