U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (2 Viewers)

[timschochet]

You would rather us invade Sudan and Tunisia then withdraw our non essential personnel?

The critics of Obama in this thread have no idea what they want, other than to criticize Obama. I have yet to read a single one of them explain: this is specifically what Obama did wrong, and this is specifically what I would have done instead, and here's how the situation would have improved.

We have a Marine Corps Embassy Security Group who protects our embassies oversea. Sudan basically told our Command In Chief that he could not send the marines in to do their job. Anyone with half a brain can see that something is very wrong with this picture when Sudan can have this kind of veto power over our President.

1. Do you believe that it is the proper job of the POTUS to decide how many Marines should be placed at each of our embassies? 2. I'll ask my question again: what would YOU have specifically done as CIC, and what would have resulted differently? Please explain in detail.

 

[3C's]

One question/point:-- The video was originally released in July, but they embasssy was concerned enough about it on 9/11 to issue that apologetic-sounding statement. If this was done at the directionof the WH it looks bad. If the WH had nothing to do with it, then what were they doing to ensure the safety of our people? Triuble is brewing and the only action is for the embassy to take it upon themeselves to issue a statement?

I'm pretty sure the Embassy in Cairo got it's first sniff of trouble brewing that day, likewise the government. Clearly the video wasn't known in the Islamic world until about the same time or they would have rioted immediately. It had presumably languished in happy obscurity between July and the day of the first riot.

Anything to do with that kook pastor in Florida who was promoting it Tuesday? Or did he learn of it at the same time?

 

[Fennis]

One question/point:

-- The video was originally released in July, but they embasssy was concerned enough about it on 9/11 to issue that apologetic-sounding statement. If this was done at the directionof the WH it looks bad. If the WH had nothing to do with it, then what were they doing to ensure the safety of our people? Triuble is brewing and the only action is for the embassy to take it upon themeselves to issue a statement?

according to this articlethe embassy posted the statement via twitter despite being told not to by the State Dept.

 

[Ursa M]

One question/point:-- The video was originally released in July, but they embasssy was concerned enough about it on 9/11 to issue that apologetic-sounding statement. If this was done at the directionof the WH it looks bad. If the WH had nothing to do with it, then what were they doing to ensure the safety of our people? Triuble is brewing and the only action is for the embassy to take it upon themeselves to issue a statement?

I'm pretty sure the Embassy in Cairo got it's first sniff of trouble brewing that day, likewise the government. Clearly the video wasn't known in the Islamic world until about the same time or they would have rioted immediately. It had presumably languished in happy obscurity between July and the day of the first riot.

Anything to do with that kook pastor in Florida who was promoting it Tuesday? Or did he learn of it at the same time?

Don't know. I saw an item that said he was behind it as one of the producers but nothing more. The reporting of the whole thing has been vague and error filled.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Are you ####### kidding me? They Burn our flg storm our embassies and kill our diplomats and our president asks youtube to take down a ####### video? PATHETIC!

According to the White House, Obama is doing a brilliant job with foreign policy. Obama might have sabotaged budget negotiations to kick the can down the road until after the election, but when it comes to terrorists, he is much more willing to compromise. I expect another nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.

How did Obama compromise with or about terrorists?

He asked to send in some Marines to protect the embassies in Tunisia and Sudan. The governments there said no way because the terrorists didn't like it. Obama then decided that he'd just pull all the diplomats out. That is leadership if you haven't seen it before.

Keeping people out of harms way where it's not essential for them to be there is compromising with terrorists?

You make it sound like common sense. It is an extremely tough decision that only a Nobel Peace Prize laureate is capable of making.

I don't think you should switch back and forth with the sarcasm so much. It's tough to follow what you're attempting to say.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

You would rather us invade Sudan and Tunisia then withdraw our non essential personnel?

The critics of Obama in this thread have no idea what they want, other than to criticize Obama. I have yet to read a single one of them explain: this is specifically what Obama did wrong, and this is specifically what I would have done instead, and here's how the situation would have improved.

We have a Marine Corps Embassy Security Group who protects our embassies oversea. Sudan basically told our Command In Chief that he could not send the marines in to do their job. Anyone with half a brain can see that something is very wrong with this picture when Sudan can have this kind of veto power over our President.

1. Do you believe that it is the proper job of the POTUS to decide how many Marines should be placed at each of our embassies? 2. I'll ask my question again: what would YOU have specifically done as CIC, and what would have resulted differently? Please explain in detail.

As CIC I would make sure that our diplomats are adequately protected at all times, especially in countries with hostile elements. I would make sure the State Dept. has good plans in place in case of a uprising. I'd put up pictures of Mohammed the prophet on all the embassy walls immediately.I would coorporate with the local government but not fully trust their BS after an incident that is clearly an inside job. In fact, I expect to get reliable intel from the CIA. I would have a clear idea on who was the mastermind, how to tell if the usual suspects that the local government arrested were really involved in the attack, and what to do to with them to bring justice to Americans who were killed.But all of that is moot because if I were POTUS, this whole incident would not have happened in the first place.

 

[Fennis]

You would rather us invade Sudan and Tunisia then withdraw our non essential personnel?

The critics of Obama in this thread have no idea what they want, other than to criticize Obama. I have yet to read a single one of them explain: this is specifically what Obama did wrong, and this is specifically what I would have done instead, and here's how the situation would have improved.

We have a Marine Corps Embassy Security Group who protects our embassies oversea. Sudan basically told our Command In Chief that he could not send the marines in to do their job. Anyone with half a brain can see that something is very wrong with this picture when Sudan can have this kind of veto power over our President.

1. Do you believe that it is the proper job of the POTUS to decide how many Marines should be placed at each of our embassies? 2. I'll ask my question again: what would YOU have specifically done as CIC, and what would have resulted differently? Please explain in detail.

As CIC I would make sure that our diplomats are adequately protected at all times, especially in countries with hostile elements. I would make sure the State Dept. has good plans in place in case of a uprising. I'd put up pictures of Mohammed the prophet on all the embassy walls immediately.

I would coorporate with the local government but not fully trust their BS after an incident that is clearly an inside job. In fact, I expect to get reliable intel from the CIA. I would have a clear idea on who was the mastermind, how to tell if the people that the local government arrested were really involved in the attack, and what to do to with them to bring justice to Americans who were killed.

But all of that is moot because if I were POTUS, this whole incident would not have happened in the first place.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

You would rather us invade Sudan and Tunisia then withdraw our non essential personnel?

The critics of Obama in this thread have no idea what they want, other than to criticize Obama. I have yet to read a single one of them explain: this is specifically what Obama did wrong, and this is specifically what I would have done instead, and here's how the situation would have improved.

We have a Marine Corps Embassy Security Group who protects our embassies oversea. Sudan basically told our Command In Chief that he could not send the marines in to do their job. Anyone with half a brain can see that something is very wrong with this picture when Sudan can have this kind of veto power over our President.

1. Do you believe that it is the proper job of the POTUS to decide how many Marines should be placed at each of our embassies? 2. I'll ask my question again: what would YOU have specifically done as CIC, and what would have resulted differently? Please explain in detail.

As CIC I would make sure that our diplomats are adequately protected at all times, especially in countries with hostile elements. I would make sure the State Dept. has good plans in place in case of a uprising. I'd put up pictures of Mohammed the prophet on all the embassy walls immediately.

I would coorporate with the local government but not fully trust their BS after an incident that is clearly an inside job. In fact, I expect to get reliable intel from the CIA. I would have a clear idea on who was the mastermind, how to tell if the usual suspects that the local government arrested were really involved in the attack, and what to do to with them to bring justice to Americans who were killed.

But all of that is moot because if I were POTUS, this whole incident would not have happened in the first place.

King Solomon can tell you that brains, not brawn, make wise rulers.

 

[BoneYardDog]

Where is Tim in here rejoicing about the "Arab Spring", for what you have posted over the last few days you should be ashamed of yourself...

I was hopeful that the Arab Spring would ulitmate produce positive results for the millions of poverty-stricken and tragic people who live in those countries. Hopeful, not confident by any means. I'm still hopeful because the jury, to a large extent, is still out. Why should I be ashamed?

Because you blame the victims and make excuses for this action... More blood on obamas hands:

Military: Afghan inside attack kills 4 US troopsKABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — An Afghan police officer turned his gun on NATO troops at a remote checkpoint in the south of the country before dawn Sunday, killing four American troops, according to Afghan and international officials.It was the third attack by Afghan forces or insurgents disguised in military uniforms against international forces in as many days, killing eight troops in all.

Good job obama, hey Time why are we still in Afghanistan???

 

[BoneYardDog]

obama should be held responsible for this...

Benghazi, Libya (CNN) -- Three days before the deadly assault on the United States consulate in Libya, a local security official says he met with American diplomats in the city and warned them about deteriorating security.Jamal Mabrouk, a member of the February 17th Brigade, told CNN that he and a battalion commander had a meeting about the economy and security.He said they told the diplomats that the security situation wasn't good for international business."The situation is frightening, it scares us," Mabrouk said they told the U.S. officials. He did not say how they responded.

Worthless and dangerous Foreign Policy...

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Oh my

 

[pittstownkiller]

Fox News reveals an image of the director of the film in question; does this bother you?

 

[timschochet]

Where is Tim in here rejoicing about the "Arab Spring", for what you have posted over the last few days you should be ashamed of yourself...

I was hopeful that the Arab Spring would ulitmate produce positive results for the millions of poverty-stricken and tragic people who live in those countries. Hopeful, not confident by any means. I'm still hopeful because the jury, to a large extent, is still out. Why should I be ashamed?

Because you blame the victims and make excuses for this action...

Link?

 

[mad sweeney]

You would rather us invade Sudan and Tunisia then withdraw our non essential personnel?

The critics of Obama in this thread have no idea what they want, other than to criticize Obama. I have yet to read a single one of them explain: this is specifically what Obama did wrong, and this is specifically what I would have done instead, and here's how the situation would have improved.

We have a Marine Corps Embassy Security Group who protects our embassies oversea. Sudan basically told our Command In Chief that he could not send the marines in to do their job. Anyone with half a brain can see that something is very wrong with this picture when Sudan can have this kind of veto power over our President.

So you think good leadership then would be to invade Sudan?

Actually, the Republican response would be to invade Chad.

 

[mad sweeney]

Where is Tim in here rejoicing about the "Arab Spring", for what you have posted over the last few days you should be ashamed of yourself...

I was hopeful that the Arab Spring would ulitmate produce positive results for the millions of poverty-stricken and tragic people who live in those countries. Hopeful, not confident by any means. I'm still hopeful because the jury, to a large extent, is still out. Why should I be ashamed?

Because you blame the victims and make excuses for this action... More blood on obamas hands:

Military: Afghan inside attack kills 4 US troopsKABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — An Afghan police officer turned his gun on NATO troops at a remote checkpoint in the south of the country before dawn Sunday, killing four American troops, according to Afghan and international officials.It was the third attack by Afghan forces or insurgents disguised in military uniforms against international forces in as many days, killing eight troops in all.

Good job obama, hey Time why are we still in Afghanistan???

You really want to go down the route of why we still have work to do in Afghanistan? It won't look good for your side.Do you have similar disgust for the President who got 4000 troops killed for baseless rumors and criminally faulty intelligence?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Where is Tim in here rejoicing about the "Arab Spring", for what you have posted over the last few days you should be ashamed of yourself...

I was hopeful that the Arab Spring would ulitmate produce positive results for the millions of poverty-stricken and tragic people who live in those countries. Hopeful, not confident by any means. I'm still hopeful because the jury, to a large extent, is still out. Why should I be ashamed?

Because you blame the victims and make excuses for this action... More blood on obamas hands:

Military: Afghan inside attack kills 4 US troops

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — An Afghan police officer turned his gun on NATO troops at a remote checkpoint in the south of the country before dawn Sunday, killing four American troops, according to Afghan and international officials.

It was the third attack by Afghan forces or insurgents disguised in military uniforms against international forces in as many days, killing eight troops in all.

Good job obama, hey Time why are we still in Afghanistan???

You really want to go down the route of why we still have work to do in Afghanistan? It won't look good for your side.Do you have similar disgust for the President who got 4000 troops killed for baseless rumors and criminally faulty intelligence?

 

[Apple Jack]

Actually, manufactured evidence. Curveball. And yeah pitt, all those dead are totally hilarious.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Actually, manufactured evidence. Curveball. And yeah pitt, all those dead are totally hilarious.

Manufactured indignation?

 

[tommyboy]

If you been following this story it looks like a gigantic mess from the US side. We were warned 3 months ago, we were warned a week prior, we were warned 3days prior and warned the same day. We failed to up security at our missions. We had intelligence leaks from staff and rebels had help from security assigned to protect. Terrorist groups have taken credit for the actions and the level of planning, execution and weaponry used shows extensive preparation. And our response has been to blame some YouTube idiot and claim this was a spontaneous event. Then Obama sends in the goons to question a US citizen at midnight? something stinks in this mess, why would we claim it wasnt premeditated and why would we send federal agents to interview someone who hasnt committed a crime?

 

[ren hoek]

I don't mind us running away as long as we give them a haughty look of disdain while we're doing it.

 

[pittstownkiller]

If you been following this story it looks like a gigantic mess from the US side. We were warned 3 months ago, we were warned a week prior, we were warned 3days prior and warned the same day. We failed to up security at our missions. We had intelligence leaks from staff and rebels had help from security assigned to protect. Terrorist groups have taken credit for the actions and the level of planning, execution and weaponry used shows extensive preparation. And our response has been to blame some YouTube idiot and claim this was a spontaneous event. Then Obama sends in the goons to question a US citizen at midnight? something stinks in this mess, why would we claim it wasnt premeditated and why would we send federal agents to interview someone who hasnt committed a crime?

He had an outstanding warrant was what has been reported but it seems there was some wording about him having access to computer for a prior arrest which led to this fishing expedition by police.My link

U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. was on Fox News Sunday where she doubled down on the spontaneous demonstration aspect (Libya specifically included); these are hard claims to believe in lieu of proof.

 

[ren hoek]

You guys know the line about this being propagated by an anti-Islam video is a bunch of garbage right? It's pretty wild how far mass media is going to blame this on an amateur video. Anything but a natural and predictable response to US foreign policy.

 

[Sam Quentin]

If you been following this story it looks like a gigantic mess from the US side. We were warned 3 months ago, we were warned a week prior, we were warned 3days prior and warned the same day. We failed to up security at our missions. We had intelligence leaks from staff and rebels had help from security assigned to protect. Terrorist groups have taken credit for the actions and the level of planning, execution and weaponry used shows extensive preparation. And our response has been to blame some YouTube idiot and claim this was a spontaneous event. Then Obama sends in the goons to question a US citizen at midnight? something stinks in this mess, why would we claim it wasnt premeditated and why would we send federal agents to interview someone who hasnt committed a crime?

He had an outstanding warrant was what has been reported but it seems there was some wording about him having access to computer for a prior arrest which led to this fishing expedition by police.My link

U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. was on Fox News Sunday where she doubled down on the spontaneous demonstration aspect (Libya specifically included); these are hard claims to believe in lieu of proof.

Arrest the guy, but don't call it an apology for our values

 

[Apple Jack]

You guys know the line about this being propagated by an anti-Islam video is a bunch of garbage right? It's pretty wild how far mass media is going to blame this on an amateur video. Anything but a natural and predictable response to US foreign policy.

http://youtu.be/rpcc7vIvyOc

Who is doing that?

 

[ren hoek]

You guys know the line about this being propagated by an anti-Islam video is a bunch of garbage right? It's pretty wild how far mass media is going to blame this on an amateur video. Anything but a natural and predictable response to US foreign policy.

http://youtu.be/rpcc7vIvyOc

Who is doing that?

The White House spokesman and Hillary Clinton, for starters. The video linked there cites a couple examples from other major media outlets as well.

 

[mad sweeney]

Actually, manufactured evidence. Curveball. And yeah pitt, all those dead are totally hilarious.

Manufactured indignation?

Look at what it was in response to. BYD was condemning Obama for 4 dead in Afghanistan and I asked about the 4000 in Iraq. Didn't see you going after him for manufactured indignation.

 

[Apple Jack]

You guys know the line about this being propagated by an anti-Islam video is a bunch of garbage right? It's pretty wild how far mass media is going to blame this on an amateur video. Anything but a natural and predictable response to US foreign policy.

http://youtu.be/rpcc7vIvyOc

Who is doing that?

The White House spokesman and Hillary Clinton, for starters. The video linked there cites a couple examples from other major media outlets as well.

Well, for starters, the Secretary of State and the White House Press Secretary are not "major media outlets." Secondly, if they are suggesting it played a role, then that is likely what happened. You think you are more familiar with the facts of the event than Hillary Clinton? Are you referring to the attack that killed the Ambassador or the protests?

 

[ren hoek]

You guys know the line about this being propagated by an anti-Islam video is a bunch of garbage right? It's pretty wild how far mass media is going to blame this on an amateur video. Anything but a natural and predictable response to US foreign policy.

http://youtu.be/rpcc7vIvyOc

Who is doing that?

The White House spokesman and Hillary Clinton, for starters. The video linked there cites a couple examples from other major media outlets as well.

Well, for starters, the Secretary of State and the White House Press Secretary are not "major media outlets." Secondly, if they are suggesting it played a role, then that is likely what happened. You think you are more familiar with the facts of the event than Hillary Clinton? Are you referring to the attack that killed the Ambassador or the protests?

Please. The major media outlets broadcast press releases from White House officials all the time, so it's not like they aren't the first sources that major news outlets defer to. I don't pretend to be more familiar with the facts but I'm also not foolish enough to believe Hillary Clinton wouldn't lie to save face. Do you take Jay Carney at his word that this attack had nothing to do with US foreign policy, or this administration, and were prompted entirely by a crappy youtube video? He is more "familiar with the facts" after all.

 

[Apple Jack]

You guys know the line about this being propagated by an anti-Islam video is a bunch of garbage right? It's pretty wild how far mass media is going to blame this on an amateur video. Anything but a natural and predictable response to US foreign policy.

http://youtu.be/rpcc7vIvyOc

Who is doing that?

The White House spokesman and Hillary Clinton, for starters. The video linked there cites a couple examples from other major media outlets as well.

Well, for starters, the Secretary of State and the White House Press Secretary are not "major media outlets." Secondly, if they are suggesting it played a role, then that is likely what happened. You think you are more familiar with the facts of the event than Hillary Clinton? Are you referring to the attack that killed the Ambassador or the protests?

Please. The major media outlets broadcast press releases from White House officials all the time, so it's not like they aren't the first sources that major news outlets defer to. I don't pretend to be more familiar with the facts but I'm also not foolish enough to believe Hillary Clinton wouldn't lie to save face. Do you take Jay Carney at his word that this attack had nothing to do with US foreign policy, or this administration, and were prompted entirely by a crappy youtube video? He is more "familiar with the facts" after all.

What are you talking about? The attack that killed the Ambassador? I've been partying, watching football, and working the past few days so I haven't really read any news. Where we at?

 

[ren hoek]

You guys know the line about this being propagated by an anti-Islam video is a bunch of garbage right? It's pretty wild how far mass media is going to blame this on an amateur video. Anything but a natural and predictable response to US foreign policy.

http://youtu.be/rpcc7vIvyOc

Who is doing that?

The White House spokesman and Hillary Clinton, for starters. The video linked there cites a couple examples from other major media outlets as well.

Well, for starters, the Secretary of State and the White House Press Secretary are not "major media outlets." Secondly, if they are suggesting it played a role, then that is likely what happened. You think you are more familiar with the facts of the event than Hillary Clinton? Are you referring to the attack that killed the Ambassador or the protests?

Please. The major media outlets broadcast press releases from White House officials all the time, so it's not like they aren't the first sources that major news outlets defer to. I don't pretend to be more familiar with the facts but I'm also not foolish enough to believe Hillary Clinton wouldn't lie to save face. Do you take Jay Carney at his word that this attack had nothing to do with US foreign policy, or this administration, and were prompted entirely by a crappy youtube video? He is more "familiar with the facts" after all.

What are you talking about? The attack that killed the Ambassador? I've been partying, watching football, and working the past few days so I haven't really read any news. Where we at?

Yes, the attack that killed the ambassador. If you watch the video linked above you'll see the part around 7 minutes where the White House Press Secretary clearly states the attack on the ambassador had nothing to do with US foreign policy. Libyans are upset because of a youtube video and not because we bombed their country with flying robots, right.

 

[ren hoek]

I tend to agree with old Ralpheypoo.

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So comment broadly on the turmoil, if you would. It’s spreading all throughout the region — you have protests everywhere from Jerusalem, to Tunisia, to Kashmir, to Indonesia. I mean, what the heck is happening?

I don’t know what’s happening. As far as the U.S. foreign and military policy — it’s the latest delayed blowback. We think we could go into Libya without a declaration of war, without authorization or appropriations for the money, without a War Resolution even — and let the President decide when we’re going to go to war? And he rustles up a billion dollars from some military budget, and then they say, “Well look, we freed Libya from Gaddafi.”

But look at Mali. Thousands of fighters went south over the border with their weapons, and now they control over half of Mali, and Mali’s in total chaos with thousands of refugees. And now we have Benghazi — the chaos in Libya has never been resolved, it’s full of sectarian separatist conflict and militias.

This is what happens when you have Empire. You get blowback. That’s what’s happening. Now, with the Internet, the blowback is much easier to spread right across the Islamic world.

You hear the American right-wing saying, “Oh, this is what the Arab Spring was about all along — Islamic extremists who support Al Qaeda trying to take over these governments. And Obama should have stood against it. He should have stood with Mubarak,” etc.

Well, maybe the right-wing ought to be drafted into the Military and go over and fight America’s wars. They have no credibility whatsoever. They’re led by draft dodgers during the Vietnam War, who liked the Vietnam War but wanted their friends to go fight and not them. Like Cheney, and Wolfowitz, and Perle.

And Romney.

And Romney. They don’t have any credibility any more.

It’s out of our control now. Because we didn’t have any real humanitarian foreign policy. It was all brute force. And when you engage brute force in the swirling turmoil of Asia and Africa, you lose control. You’re not going to put troops on the ground any more — it’s all about drones. And that is extremely illegal, and it produces huge boomerangs because of the innocent people who are destroyed by the drones. So I think we’re going to see the start of a slow withdrawal from that area, just as Reagan withdrew the Marines from Lebanon.

Well, Marines were just sent to Yemen to fortify the embassy.

Yeah, well they’ll do that obviously. They have to do that. And to Tripoli and Benghazi. But the reason why the U.S. isn’t intervening directly into Syria is because they’ve now realized that the blowback is overwhelming, and they can’t handle it.

What I’ve been saying is, I’m not a religious man, but — I’m considering taking up prayer.

Heh. Well, stay cool.

http://mctracey.com/2012/09/16/ralph-nader-on-middle-east-turmoil-ronrand-paul-netanyahu-dnc-militarism-and-more/

 

[Radio Free Homer]

You guys know the line about this being propagated by an anti-Islam video is a bunch of garbage right? It's pretty wild how far mass media is going to blame this on an amateur video. Anything but a natural and predictable response to US foreign policy.

http://youtu.be/rpcc7vIvyOc

Who is doing that?

The White House spokesman and Hillary Clinton, for starters. The video linked there cites a couple examples from other major media outlets as well.

Well, for starters, the Secretary of State and the White House Press Secretary are not "major media outlets." Secondly, if they are suggesting it played a role, then that is likely what happened. You think you are more familiar with the facts of the event than Hillary Clinton? Are you referring to the attack that killed the Ambassador or the protests?

Please. The major media outlets broadcast press releases from White House officials all the time, so it's not like they aren't the first sources that major news outlets defer to. I don't pretend to be more familiar with the facts but I'm also not foolish enough to believe Hillary Clinton wouldn't lie to save face. Do you take Jay Carney at his word that this attack had nothing to do with US foreign policy, or this administration, and were prompted entirely by a crappy youtube video? He is more "familiar with the facts" after all.

I agree. Like we're supposed to believe they'd riot over something so stupid. Like a video or a cartoon or something.

 

[jonessed]

You guys know the line about this being propagated by an anti-Islam video is a bunch of garbage right? It's pretty wild how far mass media is going to blame this on an amateur video. Anything but a natural and predictable response to US foreign policy.

http://youtu.be/rpcc7vIvyOc

Who is doing that?

The White House spokesman and Hillary Clinton, for starters. The video linked there cites a couple examples from other major media outlets as well.

Well, for starters, the Secretary of State and the White House Press Secretary are not "major media outlets." Secondly, if they are suggesting it played a role, then that is likely what happened. You think you are more familiar with the facts of the event than Hillary Clinton? Are you referring to the attack that killed the Ambassador or the protests?

Please. The major media outlets broadcast press releases from White House officials all the time, so it's not like they aren't the first sources that major news outlets defer to. I don't pretend to be more familiar with the facts but I'm also not foolish enough to believe Hillary Clinton wouldn't lie to save face. Do you take Jay Carney at his word that this attack had nothing to do with US foreign policy, or this administration, and were prompted entirely by a crappy youtube video? He is more "familiar with the facts" after all.

What are you talking about? The attack that killed the Ambassador? I've been partying, watching football, and working the past few days so I haven't really read any news. Where we at?

Yes, the attack that killed the ambassador. If you watch the video linked above you'll see the part around 7 minutes where the White House Press Secretary clearly states the attack on the ambassador had nothing to do with US foreign policy. Libyans are upset because of a youtube video and not because we bombed their country with flying robots, right.

They have been pushing this messsage through their ambassador to the UN as well. It's complete bunk. The protests are about a lot more than a video. The video may have been a spark, but it has been out for over a month. All of the information coming out of Libya is pointing to a well coordinated and pre-planned attack. They had mortar fire on the safe house for crying out loud. They would have had to have inside information on where the safe house was, the timeline for an evacuation, the actual coordinates of the safehouse, accessibility to mortars and people who knew how to use them, and an area they could be set up scoped out. The idea that it was a result of a protest gone wrong is absurd.

 

[CrossEyed]

The White House's story is falling apart more and more each day.

 

[Fennis]

The White House's story is falling apart more and more each day.

to biblical proportions?

 

[CrossEyed]

The White House's story is falling apart more and more each day.

to biblical proportions?

Sure, if that's what you'd like.

 

[17seconds]

obama should be held responsible for this...

Benghazi, Libya (CNN) -- Three days before the deadly assault on the United States consulate in Libya, a local security official says he met with American diplomats in the city and warned them about deteriorating security.Jamal Mabrouk, a member of the February 17th Brigade, told CNN that he and a battalion commander had a meeting about the economy and security.He said they told the diplomats that the security situation wasn't good for international business."The situation is frightening, it scares us," Mabrouk said they told the U.S. officials. He did not say how they responded.

Worthless and dangerous Foreign Policy...

Pretty sure this all ends within the State Department.Unless you think the POTUS should be briefed every time a "local security official" anywhere in the world gives a warning to a diplomat, and then immediately issue an executive order to bolster security within 48 hours. I know you guys are desperate to create a scandal but come on.

 

[ren hoek]

The White House's story is falling apart more and more each day.

to biblical proportions?

 

[cstu]

Heard something very disturbing today...

My wife talked to her mom in Tanzania and the word going around there is that the U.S. - yes, the U.S. government - gave the guy $5M to make the movie and that we (Americans) aren't being told the truth. If this is what people believe there - a rather moderate country - imagine what they believe elsewhere.

 

[ren hoek]

They have been pushing this message through their ambassador to the UN as well. It's complete bunk. The protests are about a lot more than a video. The video may have been a spark, but it has been out for over a month. All of the information coming out of Libya is pointing to a well coordinated and pre-planned attack. They had mortar fire on the safe house for crying out loud. They would have had to have inside information on where the safe house was, the timeline for an evacuation, the actual coordinates of the safehouse, accessibility to mortars and people who knew how to use them, and an area they could be set up scoped out. The idea that it was a result of a protest gone wrong is absurd.

The idea that this film is what caused the consulate attack, and not us bombing their country and killing hundreds of people with flying robots, is completely absurd on its face. Even if the film is partially to blame, it's irresponsible and very telling that the administration wouldn't at least acknowledge that interventionism may have had something to do with it.

 

[ren hoek]

Heard something very disturbing today...My wife talked to her mom in Tanzania and the word going around there is that the U.S. - yes, the U.S. government - gave the guy $5M to make the movie and that we (Americans) aren't being told the truth. If this is what people believe there - a rather moderate country - imagine what they believe elsewhere.

Apparently the filmmaker was an informant for the state as well. Lots of odd details coming out of the woodwork.

 

[cstu]

I don't mind us running away as long as we give them a haughty look of disdain while we're doing it.

 

[Apple Jack]

Heard something very disturbing today...My wife talked to her mom in Tanzania and the word going around there is that the U.S. - yes, the U.S. government - gave the guy $5M to make the movie and that we (Americans) aren't being told the truth. If this is what people believe there - a rather moderate country - imagine what they believe elsewhere.

Apparently the filmmaker was an informant for the state as well. Lots of odd details coming out of the woodwork.

He's not selling that as a detail.

 

[Fennis]

Heard something very disturbing today...My wife talked to her mom in Tanzania and the word going around there is that the U.S. - yes, the U.S. government - gave the guy $5M to make the movie and that we (Americans) aren't being told the truth. If this is what people believe there - a rather moderate country - imagine what they believe elsewhere.

we need a refund of about $4,999,000.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

You would rather us invade Sudan and Tunisia then withdraw our non essential personnel?

The critics of Obama in this thread have no idea what they want, other than to criticize Obama. I have yet to read a single one of them explain: this is specifically what Obama did wrong, and this is specifically what I would have done instead, and here's how the situation would have improved.

We have a Marine Corps Embassy Security Group who protects our embassies oversea. Sudan basically told our Command In Chief that he could not send the marines in to do their job. Anyone with half a brain can see that something is very wrong with this picture when Sudan can have this kind of veto power over our President.

1. Do you believe that it is the proper job of the POTUS to decide how many Marines should be placed at each of our embassies? 2. I'll ask my question again: what would YOU have specifically done as CIC, and what would have resulted differently? Please explain in detail.

As CIC I would make sure that our diplomats are adequately protected at all times, especially in countries with hostile elements. I would make sure the State Dept. has good plans in place in case of a uprising. I'd put up pictures of Mohammed the prophet on all the embassy walls immediately.

I would coorporate with the local government but not fully trust their BS after an incident that is clearly an inside job. In fact, I expect to get reliable intel from the CIA. I would have a clear idea on who was the mastermind, how to tell if the usual suspects that the local government arrested were really involved in the attack, and what to do to with them to bring justice to Americans who were killed.

But all of that is moot because if I were POTUS, this whole incident would not have happened in the first place.

timschochet, I gave you a good answer on what I'd do as POTUS. I hate to distract you from important matters like baby hugging on the campaign trail but can you give me an update on what Obama has done so far?

 

[timschochet]

timschochet, I gave you a good answer on what I'd do as POTUS. I hate to distract you from important matters like baby hugging on the campaign trail but can you give me an update on what Obama has done so far?

I think your answer represents a little bit too much micromanaging. As I've stated several times, I don't think that the security over embassies is the provence of the POTUS. IMO, Obama shouldn't be doing anything about these protests. Let them run their course.

 

[pittstownkiller]

timschochet, I gave you a good answer on what I'd do as POTUS. I hate to distract you from important matters like baby hugging on the campaign trail but can you give me an update on what Obama has done so far?

I think your answer represents a little bit too much micromanaging. As I've stated several times, I don't think that the security over embassies is the provence of the POTUS. IMO, Obama shouldn't be doing anything about these protests. Let them run their course.

So much for "the buck stops here". If the protests offer the possibility of danger then Obama should do something (and he can).

 

[Novice2]

timschochet, I gave you a good answer on what I'd do as POTUS. I hate to distract you from important matters like baby hugging on the campaign trail but can you give me an update on what Obama has done so far?

I think your answer represents a little bit too much micromanaging. As I've stated several times, I don't think that the security over embassies is the provence of the POTUS. IMO, Obama shouldn't be doing anything about these protests. Let them run their course.

So much for "the buck stops here". If the protests offer the possibility of danger then Obama should do something (and he can).

He did ask YouTube to take down the video that seems so offensive that it drives followers of a peaceful religion to violence. What else can he do?

 

[Novice2]

Are you ####### kidding me? They Burn our flg storm our embassies and kill our diplomats and our president asks youtube to take down a ####### video? PATHETIC!

What's pathetic about that exactly? And who are "they?"

Nothing pathetic about the President of the US asking Internet sites to review what's on their site and take them down. Absolutely nothing " they " arent Russians Japanese Buddhists Christians Hindus Chinese Koreans or just a small and savage group. In this world of tolerance you live in one cant mention who the hell are the ones chanting death to your Nation?

 

[BigJohn]

Let's keep this in perspective.

Video that causes outrage, costs many innocent lives, potential tragic upheaval. Video needs to stay public and left alone.

Video that shows a nipple or uses a song without permission = taken down before you can blink.