Ugh. ***OFFICIAL NLCS THREAD: SF vs. STL*** (2 Viewers)

[Bruce Dickinson]

5-6-4 fielder's choices dont happen often

 

[ffldrew]

Dodgers would have emptied the bench

 

[ffldrew]

Crazy how the wheels have come off with Baumgartner and Wainwright gon . Totally different game

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Ratfart.

 

[ffldrew]

Adams gone now. Needed that run.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Adams gone now. Needed that run.

Lot of bullets fired to get a run that didn't happen.

 

[Eephus]

Pay the Panda

 

[RnR]

Pay the Panda

I'm sorry, spreadsheet says you get Headley.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Speaking of decisions that will get second-guessed...

 

[ffldrew]

Might as well go to Choate and end it here

 

[Eephus]

Did I mention I have Wacha for $17 in the same league?

 

[thecatch]

Just wow.

 

[ffldrew]

Congrats Giants

 

[RnR]

Welp. I'm off to find a new avatar.

Congrats Eeph. Good luck in the WS.

 

[Eephus]

Ishikawa = Ichiban

 

[gianmarco]

Giants just too tough there. Congrats

 

[tjnc09]

Ishikawaesque?

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Given the postseason we've had, only fitting the guy who misplayed a ball badly early in the game gets the game-winning hit.

Congrats to the Giants and their fans. The better team won the series.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Who doesn't want ishikawa now?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Good job Eephus, pretty sure this was all your doing.

 

[ffldrew]

While Matheny pushed a lot of the wrong buttons his players never were consistent enough to give him any confidence in his choices . you have to put this on the players in the end.

 

[Dentist]

Great game.

2 sub-90 win wild card teams facing off in the World Series... classic MLB

But the Royals swept this team once and this is KC's turn.

Royals in 6

 

[5Rings]

I love torture

The guy I think doesn't belong on the roster wins two games. Woooo

 

[tjnc09]

Thank you Matheny for taking out Wainwright in the 7th. And Wacha in the 9th? Gifts.

 

[tjnc09]

Great game.

2 sub-90 win wild card teams facing off in the World Series... classic MLB

But the Royals swept this team once and this is KC's turn.

Royals in 6

Great analysis since all seven games will be played in Kansas City just like the regular season.

 

[Dentist]

Great game.

2 sub-90 win wild card teams facing off in the World Series... classic MLB

But the Royals swept this team once and this is KC's turn.

Royals in 6

Great analysis since all seven games will be played in Kansas City just like the regular season.

I'm aware of the format, that's why I gave you two wins

 

[Dickies]

You'd think I'd be excited about the Giants winning, but now my wife is determined to buy $500 bleacher seats even though we cant afford it. :X

 

[Raider Nation]

'grats Eeph and tj and other SF fans.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

You'd think I'd be excited about the Giants winning, but now my wife is determined to buy $500 bleacher seats even though we cant afford it. :X

Cheapest non-SRO seats at Kauffman for Game 1 are asking $800. Game 7 starts at a full rack per seat. Considering some of these Royals have been saving up for 29 years for this, I guess those prices don't seem too crazy.

 

[5Rings]

Great game.

2 sub-90 win wild card teams facing off in the World Series... classic MLB

But the Royals swept this team once and this is KC's turn.

Royals in 6

I will Poop on your chest if this happens

 

[Brady Marino]

Good series, Giants. Felt all along that San Fran was due and this was the year to do it.

That said, I kinda hope the Royals win. Probably blasphemy, but I was 4 months old when Denkinger happened, so I really can't hold a grudge.

 

[Raider Nation]

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[tjnc09]

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Absolutely atrocious. STL was 51-30 this year at home and SF was going to throw Peavy and Hudson out there. That's really not a comfortable feeling I would have wanted to be in as a Giants fan.

While Wainwright was dealing, Neshek has been a solid set up man for STL - I can understand that. The decision to bring in Wacha played out exactly how one would have predicted it to. Of all the relief staff, I have no clue to why he was the choice.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

In defense of the broadcast teams, it is a tough task to announce a national broadcast. You have to cater to both the casual fan and the hardcore fans of the competing teams, who've heard every story in the announcers' notebooks. That said, all the crews have been lucky to have a plethora of close fascinating games. Even the rainout was cancelled long before air time.

They don't have to worry about catering to the hard core Giant fans. Every SF fan I know mutes the tube and listens to KNBR.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Great game.

2 sub-90 win wild card teams facing off in the World Series... classic MLB

But the Royals swept this team once and this is KC's turn.

Royals in 6

What a joke MLB is with WC teams facing off for the WS. I don't know how anyone can watch this crap, especially you.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

More effective unconventional strategy: Pearce standing two steps off the bag then running to first on the pickoff throw, or Wainwright hesitating during his windup?

That is an illegal pitch by Wainwright.

(a) The Windup Position. The pitcher shall stand facing the batter, his pivot foot in contact with the pitchers plate and the other foot free. From this position any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without interruption or alteration. He shall not raise either foot from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot.When a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his body, with his pivot foot in contact with the pitchers plate and his other foot free, he will be considered in the Windup Position.

Rule 8.01(a) Comment: In the Windup Position, a pitcher is permitted to have his free foot on the rubber, in front of the rubber, behind the rubber or off the side of the rubber.

From the Windup Position, the pitcher may:

(1) deliver the ball to the batter, or

(2) step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick-off a runner, or

(3) disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hand to his sides).

In disengaging the rubber the pitcher must step off with his pivot foot and not his free foot first.

He may not go into a set or stretch positionif he does it is a balk.

(d) If the pitcher makes an illegal pitch with the bases unoccupied, it shall be called a ball unless the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.Rule 8.01(d) Comment: A ball which slips out of a pitchers hand and crosses the foul line shall be called a ball; otherwise it will be called no pitch. This would be a balk with men on base.

 

[Michael Brown]

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Reminds me of Torre bringing in Jeff Weaver in Game 4 in 2003 instead of Mariano

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Life is results-oriented. Don't live on the spreadsheet, GB.

My point is simply that Sabean's not a good GM.

 

[RnR]

Life is results-oriented. Don't live on the spreadsheet, GB.

My point is simply that Sabean's not a good GM.

I hear what you're saying. There are many moves he makes that I don't agree with as well. But it is hard to argue with his results. His organization is four wins away from claiming his third World Series title in the past five seasons. He may not be a "good GM", but at some point he's no longer the buffoon we like to make him out to be either.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Life is results-oriented. Don't live on the spreadsheet, GB.

My point is simply that Sabean's not a good GM.

I hear what you're saying. There are many moves he makes that I don't agree with as well. But it is hard to argue with his results. His organization is four wins away from claiming his third World Series title in the past five seasons. He may not be a "good GM", but at some point he's no longer the buffoon we like to make him out to be either.

He overpays brutally for relievers (Lopez, Affeldt, Casilla) and he's ignorant as to the value of defense (Morse). The Giants spend a lot of money so they can paper over sins like this, but their good fortune in October doesn't retroactively make any of these moves good. Sometimes a big payroll and good fortune in October is enough.

 

[Eephus]

Life is results-oriented. Don't live on the spreadsheet, GB.

My point is simply that Sabean's not a good GM.

I hear what you're saying. There are many moves he makes that I don't agree with as well. But it is hard to argue with his results. His organization is four wins away from claiming his third World Series title in the past five seasons. He may not be a "good GM", but at some point he's no longer the buffoon we like to make him out to be either.

He overpays brutally for relievers (Lopez, Affeldt, Casilla) and he's ignorant as to the value of defense (Morse). The Giants spend a lot of money so they can paper over sins like this, but their good fortune in October doesn't retroactively make any of these moves good. Sometimes a big payroll and good fortune in October is enough.

I agree that $/IP don't compute for high RP salaries but you have to admit the Giants' bullpen is one of the big reasons they're playing a game on Tuesday night.

Single season advanced defensive metrics for teams are probably just as dubious as for individuals but the Giants are middle of the pack by most 2014 standards. Morse is the exception, not the rule and Bochy hid his glove pretty effectively while Morse was healthy.

They're a high revenue team and they plug a lot of money back into salaries. Their two highest paid players haven't appeared in the postseason this year.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I agree that $/IP don't compute for high RP salaries but you have to admit the Giants' bullpen is one of the big reasons they're playing a game on Tuesday night.

Overall it's been good in the playoffs. I don't think it was necessarily an asset during the regular season.

Single season advanced defensive metrics for teams are probably just as dubious as for individuals but the Giants are middle of the pack by most 2014 standards. Morse is the exception, not the rule and Bochy hid his glove pretty effectively while Morse was healthy.

I don't dispute that SF's defense overall was fine, but that's on the strength of a lot of homegrown players too. When given the chance to fill a gap via free agency, Sabean did a pretty lousy job of doing so.

I guess you can play Morse at 1B when Belt's hurt and that hides him some, but otherwise Bochy is, as far as I know, unable to create a force-field around LF. Jack Cust laughs at Mike Morse.

I wish Naimoli would've bought them.

 

[Eephus]

I agree that $/IP don't compute for high RP salaries but you have to admit the Giants' bullpen is one of the big reasons they're playing a game on Tuesday night.

Overall it's been good in the playoffs. I don't think it was necessarily an asset during the regular season.

Single season advanced defensive metrics for teams are probably just as dubious as for individuals but the Giants are middle of the pack by most 2014 standards. Morse is the exception, not the rule and Bochy hid his glove pretty effectively while Morse was healthy.

I don't dispute that SF's defense overall was fine, but that's on the strength of a lot of homegrown players too. When given the chance to fill a gap via free agency, Sabean did a pretty lousy job of doing so.

I guess you can play Morse at 1B when Belt's hurt and that hides him some, but otherwise Bochy is, as far as I know, unable to create a force-field around LF. Jack Cust laughs at Mike Morse.

I wish Naimoli would've bought them.

The team of McGraw, Matty and Mays playing in that godforsaken dome would have been a bigger travesty than the team of Mack, Foxx and Grove playing in the shadow of Mount Davis.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

It seems like it has its own charm.