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[TobiasFunke]

I'm hearing maybe six guys out and that a couple of the defensive stars who were questionable- including Bruce Carter and Quan Sturdivant- will be cleared to play.Just third-hand gossip, so take it for what it's worth.

Quan is tied up in the agentgate. I doubt they risk playing him. The total number is all over the board. Mike and Mike were talking about it this morning and I believed the term they used was "staggering". Up to 16 players out. If that is truly the case I dont see how butch survives Spet.

Settle down there, champ. I know this is your National Championship, but I'm just trying to pass along what I'm hearing from insiders to the UNC and LSU fans who might be interested. Sure, it's obviously not as rock-solid as what you heard from a couple national radio guys with no particular connection to the program and 1000 different sports-related things on their plate, but I'm just trying to help.

 

[pantherclub]

National Championship? Nope, way bigger then that. This is a huge black eye on UNC athletics and they probably will never recover. That "Carolina Way" you guys have talked about for years just got put 6 ft under and Marvin and Butch were the grave diggers. You are the new and improved Minnesota basketball with a little bit of USC sprinkled on top.

 

[The Commish]

Cause Rich Rodriquez is still a crappy coach?

Definitely not something I am used too, but it gives me greater appreciation for why other fan bases are the way they are. If I had to deal with this nonsense year in and year out, I'd be in the dooshbaggery business also. He's got two years left as far as I am concerned, then I'll be asking for his head!ETA: And BITE ME!

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Cause Rich Rodriquez is still a crappy coach?

Definitely not something I am used too, but it gives me greater appreciation for why other fan bases are the way they are. If I had to deal with this nonsense year in and year out, I'd be in the dooshbaggery business also. He's got two years left as far as I am concerned, then I'll be asking for his head!ETA: And BITE ME!

at the edit.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm hearing maybe six guys out and that a couple of the defensive stars who were questionable- including Bruce Carter and Quan Sturdivant- will be cleared to play. The big losses are on the D-Line, with Austin already out and Quinn supposedly joining him, and a couple of the offensive skill position guys.Just third-hand gossip, so take it for what it's worth.

Update:

The University of North Carolina has declared six student-athletes on the football team ineligible for Saturday’s season-opening game for violating school and/or NCAA rules. The University is also withholding at least six other student-athletes from Saturday’s game while the investigation continues.The six ineligible student-athletes include: defensive tackle Marvin Austin, cornerback Charles Brown, cornerback Kendric Burney, wide receiver Greg Little, defensive end Michael McAdoo and defensive end Robert Quinn.Six other student-athletes who will be withheld from Saturday’s game include: tailback Shaun Draughn, defensive end Linwan Euwell, safety Brian Gupton, tailback Ryan Houston, safety Da’Norris Searcy and safety Jonathan Smith.

 

[NMYMND]

I'm hearing maybe six guys out and that a couple of the defensive stars who were questionable- including Bruce Carter and Quan Sturdivant- will be cleared to play. The big losses are on the D-Line, with Austin already out and Quinn supposedly joining him, and a couple of the offensive skill position guys.Just third-hand gossip, so take it for what it's worth.

Update:

The University of North Carolina has declared six student-athletes on the football team ineligible for Saturday’s season-opening game for violating school and/or NCAA rules. The University is also withholding at least six other student-athletes from Saturday’s game while the investigation continues.The six ineligible student-athletes include: defensive tackle Marvin Austin, cornerback Charles Brown, cornerback Kendric Burney, wide receiver Greg Little, defensive end Michael McAdoo and defensive end Robert Quinn.Six other student-athletes who will be withheld from Saturday’s game include: tailback Shaun Draughn, defensive end Linwan Euwell, safety Brian Gupton, tailback Ryan Houston, safety Da’Norris Searcy and safety Jonathan Smith.

So if you reference the latest depth chart:Ineligible: Starting DT, starter and backup at right DE, both starting CBs, starting WR Withheld: starter and backup RB, starter and backup at SS, 3rd string FS, one guy not listed (Euwell)Edit - 3 more in question. Carter (starting SLB), Williams (starting FS), Sturdivant (starting WLB)On final addNorman Dale, Hoosiers, "My team's on the [field]"

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm hearing maybe six guys out and that a couple of the defensive stars who were questionable- including Bruce Carter and Quan Sturdivant- will be cleared to play. The big losses are on the D-Line, with Austin already out and Quinn supposedly joining him, and a couple of the offensive skill position guys.Just third-hand gossip, so take it for what it's worth.

Update:

The University of North Carolina has declared six student-athletes on the football team ineligible for Saturday’s season-opening game for violating school and/or NCAA rules. The University is also withholding at least six other student-athletes from Saturday’s game while the investigation continues.The six ineligible student-athletes include: defensive tackle Marvin Austin, cornerback Charles Brown, cornerback Kendric Burney, wide receiver Greg Little, defensive end Michael McAdoo and defensive end Robert Quinn.Six other student-athletes who will be withheld from Saturday’s game include: tailback Shaun Draughn, defensive end Linwan Euwell, safety Brian Gupton, tailback Ryan Houston, safety Da’Norris Searcy and safety Jonathan Smith.

So if you reference the latest depth chart:Ineligible: Starting DT, starter and backup at right DE, both starting CBs, starting WR Withheld: starter and backup RB, starter and backup at SS, 3rd string FS, one guy not listed (Euwell)Edit - release said 3 more in question. i didn't the names, but rumor is starting FS and starting WLBOn final addNorman Dale, Hoosiers, "My team's on the [field]"

Yup, that's about right. Pretty devastating blow to any chances tomorrow night. Nice to see that some of the defensive studs have been cleared, but other than that, it's a lot of bad news.Six weeks to Midnight Madness, right?

 

[Tau837]

Is this going to be a weekly thing? When will they announce the full scope of suspensions?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Is this going to be a weekly thing? When will they announce the full scope of suspensions?

No idea. I assume at some point there will be clarity on who can play and who's ineligible for the season, but there's no indication as to when that will be. Here's the official word from the University.

 

[AAABatteries]

As a GT alum and homer I take no pleasure in this - now as regularguy points out if it were UGA that's another story (as an aside they had another player arrested today - stay classy UGA!). Anyway, I do wonder how this may affect the outcome of the coastal division. It could work out in GT's favor if the suspensions mean that these players miss the Tech game but are back for Miami or VT. I was expecting a close game in Chapel Hill but if they are missing that many guys in two weeks then I think Tech might be favored.

THWG.

 

[NMYMND]

As a GT alum and homer I take no pleasure in this - now as regularguy points out if it were UGA that's another story (as an aside they had another player arrested today - stay classy UGA!). Anyway, I do wonder how this may affect the outcome of the coastal division. It could work out in GT's favor if the suspensions mean that these players miss the Tech game but are back for Miami or VT. I was expecting a close game in Chapel Hill but if they are missing that many guys in two weeks then I think Tech might be favored.THWG.

Didn't even think about that, but excellent point. I wonder if the NCAA will take that into account in its decision timeline - or that could be where you have the rolling suspension theory, that players are available for conference games but then sit out non-conference.

 

[Tau837]

As a GT alum and homer I take no pleasure in this - now as regularguy points out if it were UGA that's another story (as an aside they had another player arrested today - stay classy UGA!). Anyway, I do wonder how this may affect the outcome of the coastal division. It could work out in GT's favor if the suspensions mean that these players miss the Tech game but are back for Miami or VT. I was expecting a close game in Chapel Hill but if they are missing that many guys in two weeks then I think Tech might be favored.THWG.

Didn't even think about that, but excellent point. I wonder if the NCAA will take that into account in its decision timeline - or that could be where you have the rolling suspension theory, that players are available for conference games but then sit out non-conference.

I really don't think the NCAA takes competitive issues into account in determining suspensions. Nor should they IMO. If it hurts UNC in the division race, so be it. That's the kind of thing risked by a lack of institutional control.

 

[NMYMND]

As a GT alum and homer I take no pleasure in this - now as regularguy points out if it were UGA that's another story (as an aside they had another player arrested today - stay classy UGA!). Anyway, I do wonder how this may affect the outcome of the coastal division. It could work out in GT's favor if the suspensions mean that these players miss the Tech game but are back for Miami or VT. I was expecting a close game in Chapel Hill but if they are missing that many guys in two weeks then I think Tech might be favored.THWG.

Didn't even think about that, but excellent point. I wonder if the NCAA will take that into account in its decision timeline - or that could be where you have the rolling suspension theory, that players are available for conference games but then sit out non-conference.

I really don't think the NCAA takes competitive issues into account in determining suspensions. Nor should they IMO. If it hurts UNC in the division race, so be it. That's the kind of thing risked by a lack of institutional control.

We're not talking about UNC's chances. If these players remain out for the GT game Sept. 18 but many are then eligible to play Miami and VT in late October/early November, that could be a factor in determine the Coastal winner and the BCS rep. In this situation, UNC's problems could actually provide the Jackets an advantage in winning the conference.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

As a GT alum and homer I take no pleasure in this - now as regularguy points out if it were UGA that's another story (as an aside they had another player arrested today - stay classy UGA!). Anyway, I do wonder how this may affect the outcome of the coastal division. It could work out in GT's favor if the suspensions mean that these players miss the Tech game but are back for Miami or VT. I was expecting a close game in Chapel Hill but if they are missing that many guys in two weeks then I think Tech might be favored.THWG.

Didn't even think about that, but excellent point. I wonder if the NCAA will take that into account in its decision timeline - or that could be where you have the rolling suspension theory, that players are available for conference games but then sit out non-conference.

I really don't think the NCAA takes competitive issues into account in determining suspensions. Nor should they IMO. If it hurts UNC in the division race, so be it. That's the kind of thing risked by a lack of institutional control.

We're not talking about UNC's chances. If these players remain out for the GT game Sept. 18 but many are then eligible to play Miami and VT in late October/early November, that could be a factor in determine the Coastal winner and the BCS rep. In this situation, UNC's problems could actually provide the Jackets an advantage in winning the conference.

I think that's stretching it. There are millions of factors that go into winning a conference beyond the UNC cheating scandel. There are likely other players on other teams for other reasons to be suspended throughout the season that could affect the divisional race too. UNC players should have their suspensions handed out and serve them immediately. If it's so large that rolling suspensions have to even be considered, that's a lack of institutional control and UNC should be severely punished by the NCAA.

 

[oso diablo]

On final addNorman Dale, Hoosiers, "My team's on the [field]"

to my Tarheel friends, sorry to hear about all this turmoil. haven't really paid attention until now.

 

[Tau837]

As a GT alum and homer I take no pleasure in this - now as regularguy points out if it were UGA that's another story (as an aside they had another player arrested today - stay classy UGA!). Anyway, I do wonder how this may affect the outcome of the coastal division. It could work out in GT's favor if the suspensions mean that these players miss the Tech game but are back for Miami or VT. I was expecting a close game in Chapel Hill but if they are missing that many guys in two weeks then I think Tech might be favored.THWG.

Didn't even think about that, but excellent point. I wonder if the NCAA will take that into account in its decision timeline - or that could be where you have the rolling suspension theory, that players are available for conference games but then sit out non-conference.

I really don't think the NCAA takes competitive issues into account in determining suspensions. Nor should they IMO. If it hurts UNC in the division race, so be it. That's the kind of thing risked by a lack of institutional control.

We're not talking about UNC's chances. If these players remain out for the GT game Sept. 18 but many are then eligible to play Miami and VT in late October/early November, that could be a factor in determine the Coastal winner and the BCS rep. In this situation, UNC's problems could actually provide the Jackets an advantage in winning the conference.

What you are describing are competitive issues. As I said, I don't think they do or should take them into account. IMO suspensions should be served immediately, regardless of opponents.

 

[The Commish]

Ouch

 

[The Commish]

As a GT alum and homer I take no pleasure in this - now as regularguy points out if it were UGA that's another story (as an aside they had another player arrested today - stay classy UGA!). Anyway, I do wonder how this may affect the outcome of the coastal division. It could work out in GT's favor if the suspensions mean that these players miss the Tech game but are back for Miami or VT. I was expecting a close game in Chapel Hill but if they are missing that many guys in two weeks then I think Tech might be favored.THWG.

Didn't even think about that, but excellent point. I wonder if the NCAA will take that into account in its decision timeline - or that could be where you have the rolling suspension theory, that players are available for conference games but then sit out non-conference.

I really don't think the NCAA takes competitive issues into account in determining suspensions. Nor should they IMO. If it hurts UNC in the division race, so be it. That's the kind of thing risked by a lack of institutional control.

We're not talking about UNC's chances. If these players remain out for the GT game Sept. 18 but many are then eligible to play Miami and VT in late October/early November, that could be a factor in determine the Coastal winner and the BCS rep. In this situation, UNC's problems could actually provide the Jackets an advantage in winning the conference.

What you are describing are competitive issues. As I said, I don't think they do or should take them into account. IMO suspensions should be served immediately, regardless of opponents.

has nothing to do with opponents though really. If you have 12 kids on your basketball team, is it wise to suspend all of them at once because of their violations? I think the NCAA is walking a line bordering on punishment and completely destroying a season for a school. I get that those who hate UNC won't care about it, but as an outsider looking in, I understand where the NCAA is coming from. As it is, they will probably be without 2-3 of their best players for the rest of the year. I have no issue with them spreading out the 1-2 game suspension guys throughout the year.

 

[AAABatteries]

We're not talking about UNC's chances. If these players remain out for the GT game Sept. 18 but many are then eligible to play Miami and VT in late October/early November, that could be a factor in determine the Coastal winner and the BCS rep. In this situation, UNC's problems could actually provide the Jackets an advantage in winning the conference.

I think that's stretching it. There are millions of factors that go into winning a conference beyond the UNC cheating scandel. There are likely other players on other teams for other reasons to be suspended throughout the season that could affect the divisional race too. UNC players should have their suspensions handed out and serve them immediately. If it's so large that rolling suspensions have to even be considered, that's a lack of institutional control and UNC should be severely punished by the NCAA.

While I agree with your last few sentences I don't think it's a stretch to say that it could influence who wins. Granted it's possible that GT will win that game on the 18th even if UNC is full strenght but if we find out that say 10 of their starters get 3 games suspensions and they miss the GT game but play against Miami and VT then it's an obvious advantage for us. Is it THE determining factor in who wins? No, but I don't think it can be discounted either. I liked our chances either way as we handled UNC pretty well last season but that doesn't mean that we wouldn't gain an advantage.We don't catch a break with our home/loss split as we have to head to VT, Clem and UNC. We do have what I think is the 3rd easiest conference schedule because we don't have to play BC or FSU. I point those two things out because those are factors too. I think what you are taking umbrage with is the idea that if we win that it will somehow be gifted to us but I don't think anyone save a few would really think that if we did mange to win the Coastal.ETA - when I say 3rd easiest conference schedule I mean in regards to the top 4 Coastal teams. I think UNC has the toughest, then Miami, then GT, then VT.

 

[BassNBrew]

He wasn't even part of it...Construx quit on us as commish and it all went to hell from there. Sissy Mary LA LA.

damn yankee

I've got an idea for a new league. Heels' fans v. Pack fans. We'll probably have to drop the entrance requirements to get enough State fans and only the Heels' fans get to use "cheatsheets" at the draft. I know you're concerned that the State fans won't have a chance, but the Carolina fans won't bother submiting a lineup or paying attention until November.

 

[BassNBrew]

OK...I'm serious about a Heel v. Pack league. 12 - 16 team survivor league no fee mfl, best ball, draft n' go (no trades / roster mgmt). Heels fans couldn't draft Pack players and vice versa. Rolling suspensions for any Carolina players drafted TBD.

 

[Tau837]

has nothing to do with opponents though really. If you have 12 kids on your basketball team, is it wise to suspend all of them at once because of their violations? I think the NCAA is walking a line bordering on punishment and completely destroying a season for a school. I get that those who hate UNC won't care about it, but as an outsider looking in, I understand where the NCAA is coming from. As it is, they will probably be without 2-3 of their best players for the rest of the year. I have no issue with them spreading out the 1-2 game suspension guys throughout the year.

If their season is "destroyed," it is UNC who destroyed it, not the NCAA.And in your basketball example, suspending them all at once might actually be less harmful... one forfeit instead of multiple games below full strength.

 

[pantherclub]

He wasn't even part of it...Construx quit on us as commish and it all went to hell from there. Sissy Mary LA LA.

damn yankee

I've got an idea for a new league. Heels' fans v. Pack fans. We'll probably have to drop the entrance requirements to get enough State fans and only the Heels' fans get to use "cheatsheets" at the draft. I know you're concerned that the State fans won't have a chance, but the Carolina fans won't bother submiting a lineup or paying attention until November.

You are not very good at this. At least UNC alums are witty. You are just dull and stereotypical.

 

[Dexter Manley]

As a GT alum and homer I take no pleasure in this - now as regularguy points out if it were UGA that's another story (as an aside they had another player arrested today - stay classy UGA!). Anyway, I do wonder how this may affect the outcome of the coastal division. It could work out in GT's favor if the suspensions mean that these players miss the Tech game but are back for Miami or VT. I was expecting a close game in Chapel Hill but if they are missing that many guys in two weeks then I think Tech might be favored.THWG.

Didn't even think about that, but excellent point. I wonder if the NCAA will take that into account in its decision timeline - or that could be where you have the rolling suspension theory, that players are available for conference games but then sit out non-conference.

I really don't think the NCAA takes competitive issues into account in determining suspensions. Nor should they IMO. If it hurts UNC in the division race, so be it. That's the kind of thing risked by a lack of institutional control.

We're not talking about UNC's chances. If these players remain out for the GT game Sept. 18 but many are then eligible to play Miami and VT in late October/early November, that could be a factor in determine the Coastal winner and the BCS rep. In this situation, UNC's problems could actually provide the Jackets an advantage in winning the conference.

What you are describing are competitive issues. As I said, I don't think they do or should take them into account. IMO suspensions should be served immediately, regardless of opponents.

Exactly. Doing otherwise would be like allowing Brian Cushing to play week 1 vs. the Colts so they don't get an advantage over the rest of the divison.

 

[The Commish]

has nothing to do with opponents though really. If you have 12 kids on your basketball team, is it wise to suspend all of them at once because of their violations? I think the NCAA is walking a line bordering on punishment and completely destroying a season for a school. I get that those who hate UNC won't care about it, but as an outsider looking in, I understand where the NCAA is coming from. As it is, they will probably be without 2-3 of their best players for the rest of the year. I have no issue with them spreading out the 1-2 game suspension guys throughout the year.

If their season is "destroyed," it is UNC who destroyed it, not the NCAA.And in your basketball example, suspending them all at once might actually be less harmful... one forfeit instead of multiple games below full strength.

Like I said...I don't expect someone in your position to understand it or agree with it.

 

[The Commish]

He wasn't even part of it...Construx quit on us as commish and it all went to hell from there. Sissy Mary LA LA.

damn yankee

I've got an idea for a new league. Heels' fans v. Pack fans. We'll probably have to drop the entrance requirements to get enough State fans and only the Heels' fans get to use "cheatsheets" at the draft. I know you're concerned that the State fans won't have a chance, but the Carolina fans won't bother submiting a lineup or paying attention until November.

You are not very good at this. At least UNC alums are witty. You are just dull and stereotypical.

Yet here you are with a hook in your cheek

 

[Tau837]

has nothing to do with opponents though really. If you have 12 kids on your basketball team, is it wise to suspend all of them at once because of their violations? I think the NCAA is walking a line bordering on punishment and completely destroying a season for a school. I get that those who hate UNC won't care about it, but as an outsider looking in, I understand where the NCAA is coming from. As it is, they will probably be without 2-3 of their best players for the rest of the year. I have no issue with them spreading out the 1-2 game suspension guys throughout the year.

If their season is "destroyed," it is UNC who destroyed it, not the NCAA.And in your basketball example, suspending them all at once might actually be less harmful... one forfeit instead of multiple games below full strength.

Like I said...I don't expect someone in your position to understand it or agree with it.

I understand it. And I wouldn't agree with it regardless of whether we were discussing UNC or any other team, including State.

 

[The Commish]

has nothing to do with opponents though really. If you have 12 kids on your basketball team, is it wise to suspend all of them at once because of their violations? I think the NCAA is walking a line bordering on punishment and completely destroying a season for a school. I get that those who hate UNC won't care about it, but as an outsider looking in, I understand where the NCAA is coming from. As it is, they will probably be without 2-3 of their best players for the rest of the year. I have no issue with them spreading out the 1-2 game suspension guys throughout the year.

If their season is "destroyed," it is UNC who destroyed it, not the NCAA.And in your basketball example, suspending them all at once might actually be less harmful... one forfeit instead of multiple games below full strength.

Like I said...I don't expect someone in your position to understand it or agree with it.

I understand it. And I wouldn't agree with it regardless of whether we were discussing UNC or any other team, including State.

ok

 

[Master of Past and Present]

has nothing to do with opponents though really. If you have 12 kids on your basketball team, is it wise to suspend all of them at once because of their violations? I think the NCAA is walking a line bordering on punishment and completely destroying a season for a school. I get that those who hate UNC won't care about it, but as an outsider looking in, I understand where the NCAA is coming from. As it is, they will probably be without 2-3 of their best players for the rest of the year. I have no issue with them spreading out the 1-2 game suspension guys throughout the year.

Since you brought basketball into it, as a Knicks fan I certainly would have liked to finish that one Heat series back with a game at full strength and one game at being screwed rather than two games at partial strength. Luckily basketball and football are different and there is really no need to stagger in football. You think walking a line may be walked by the NCAA if they make them serve their suspension at once and right away, I think a MUCH worse line would be walked if they stagger them. Anytime in the future teams/fans/anyone can whine if their team didn't get a good suspension situation because UNC got to stagger theirs and didn't hurt their season as much. What if a team just loses 4 guys to suspension, can they stagger them so their season isn't hurt as badly? If UNC gets to, then why not? What's the number of guys out before this is acceptable? What happens if the stud RB from school X is playing conference rival Y next week and gets suspended for 1 game but plays non-conference team Z a week after their rival, can they hold off as to not affect the conference race? What are the rules on when you can and cannot stagger suspensions? Haven't heard about any being on the books and making them up on the fly is not the best way to go about it. If UNC has enough players not to stagger then there is no reason to do it. The NCAA shouldn't be trying to make your pile of crap situation into the best possible situation. You screwed up, pay the price.

 

[The Commish]

has nothing to do with opponents though really. If you have 12 kids on your basketball team, is it wise to suspend all of them at once because of their violations? I think the NCAA is walking a line bordering on punishment and completely destroying a season for a school. I get that those who hate UNC won't care about it, but as an outsider looking in, I understand where the NCAA is coming from. As it is, they will probably be without 2-3 of their best players for the rest of the year. I have no issue with them spreading out the 1-2 game suspension guys throughout the year.

Since you brought basketball into it, as a Knicks fan I certainly would have liked to finish that one Heat series back with a game at full strength and one game at being screwed rather than two games at partial strength. Luckily basketball and football are different and there is really no need to stagger in football. You think walking a line may be walked by the NCAA if they make them serve their suspension at once and right away, I think a MUCH worse line would be walked if they stagger them. Anytime in the future teams/fans/anyone can whine if their team didn't get a good suspension situation because UNC got to stagger theirs and didn't hurt their season as much. What if a team just loses 4 guys to suspension, can they stagger them so their season isn't hurt as badly? If UNC gets to, then why not? What's the number of guys out before this is acceptable? What happens if the stud RB from school X is playing conference rival Y next week and gets suspended for 1 game but plays non-conference team Z a week after their rival, can they hold off as to not affect the conference race? What are the rules on when you can and cannot stagger suspensions? Haven't heard about any being on the books and making them up on the fly is not the best way to go about it. If UNC has enough players not to stagger then there is no reason to do it. The NCAA shouldn't be trying to make your pile of crap situation into the best possible situation. You screwed up, pay the price.

They've staggered punishments in the past....this wouldn't be the first time It's not like we are breaking new ground with this stuff. The precedent for staggering has already been set.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Like I said...I don't expect someone in your position to understand it or agree with it.

Is that because you think he is stupid, because although he is a State fan, many other people who aren't State fans have the same position as him.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

We're not talking about UNC's chances. If these players remain out for the GT game Sept. 18 but many are then eligible to play Miami and VT in late October/early November, that could be a factor in determine the Coastal winner and the BCS rep. In this situation, UNC's problems could actually provide the Jackets an advantage in winning the conference.

I think that's stretching it. There are millions of factors that go into winning a conference beyond the UNC cheating scandel. There are likely other players on other teams for other reasons to be suspended throughout the season that could affect the divisional race too. UNC players should have their suspensions handed out and serve them immediately. If it's so large that rolling suspensions have to even be considered, that's a lack of institutional control and UNC should be severely punished by the NCAA.

While I agree with your last few sentences I don't think it's a stretch to say that it could influence who wins. Granted it's possible that GT will win that game on the 18th even if UNC is full strenght but if we find out that say 10 of their starters get 3 games suspensions and they miss the GT game but play against Miami and VT then it's an obvious advantage for us. Is it THE determining factor in who wins? No, but I don't think it can be discounted either. I liked our chances either way as we handled UNC pretty well last season but that doesn't mean that we wouldn't gain an advantage.We don't catch a break with our home/loss split as we have to head to VT, Clem and UNC. We do have what I think is the 3rd easiest conference schedule because we don't have to play BC or FSU. I point those two things out because those are factors too. I think what you are taking umbrage with is the idea that if we win that it will somehow be gifted to us but I don't think anyone save a few would really think that if we did mange to win the Coastal.ETA - when I say 3rd easiest conference schedule I mean in regards to the top 4 Coastal teams. I think UNC has the toughest, then Miami, then GT, then VT.

When the games occur and the infractions occur are just cirumstance. What if eight Hokies go Marcus Vick on the town the week before the Miami game and get suspended for that game? Suspensions shouldn't get pushed back to make that game the most competitive it could be for each team and for GT and UNC. Whoever wins the coastal this year will have earned it regardless of who plays win. Even if Tech happens to get a cakewalk against Carolina they still have to beat Miami and VT and NC State/Clemson won't be easy either. I have nothing against UNC but I do have a feeling they are trying to a pull a Bobby Bowden here with punishment.

 

[The Commish]

Like I said...I don't expect someone in your position to understand it or agree with it.

Is that because you think he is stupid, because although he is a State fan, many other people who aren't State fans have the same position as him.

No....it's clear he is emotionally involved in it. Lots of people are. He's not stupid, nor have I said such. If you take a step back and look at this in the grand scheme of things, and you go with what's really important here, it's the academics. How about having these student athletes go through the same paces some average kid cheating would? If that means getting kicked out of school and that's what's decided so be it. The last thing they need to be thinking about is how to punish them athletically. All the people looking at this from an athletic perspective and as a hater of UNC are completely missing the big picture IMO.

 

[Tau837]

Like I said...I don't expect someone in your position to understand it or agree with it.

Is that because you think he is stupid, because although he is a State fan, many other people who aren't State fans have the same position as him.

No....it's clear he is emotionally involved in it. Lots of people are. He's not stupid, nor have I said such. If you take a step back and look at this in the grand scheme of things, and you go with what's really important here, it's the academics. How about having these student athletes go through the same paces some average kid cheating would? If that means getting kicked out of school and that's what's decided so be it. The last thing they need to be thinking about is how to punish them athletically. All the people looking at this from an athletic perspective and as a hater of UNC are completely missing the big picture IMO.

Because I don't like UNC I am missing the big picture? I agree that the same rules should apply to athletes caught cheating as to regular students caught cheating. I'm sure UNC has an honor code, and it should apply here. But these guys aren't "average kids", so it doesn't stop there. There is athletic punishment in addition to whatever applies to students caught cheating... because these guys are not just students, like average kids... they are student-athletes.And I have no idea what "average kids cheating" has to do with rolling suspensions, which was the topic under discussion here. Is that just because I'm emotionally involved?

 

[The Commish]

Like I said...I don't expect someone in your position to understand it or agree with it.

Is that because you think he is stupid, because although he is a State fan, many other people who aren't State fans have the same position as him.

No....it's clear he is emotionally involved in it. Lots of people are. He's not stupid, nor have I said such. If you take a step back and look at this in the grand scheme of things, and you go with what's really important here, it's the academics. How about having these student athletes go through the same paces some average kid cheating would? If that means getting kicked out of school and that's what's decided so be it. The last thing they need to be thinking about is how to punish them athletically. All the people looking at this from an athletic perspective and as a hater of UNC are completely missing the big picture IMO.

Because I don't like UNC I am missing the big picture? I agree that the same rules should apply to athletes caught cheating as to regular students caught cheating. I'm sure UNC has an honor code, and it should apply here. But these guys aren't "average kids", so it doesn't stop there. There is athletic punishment in addition to whatever applies to students caught cheating... because these guys are not just students, like average kids... they are student-athletes.And I have no idea what "average kids cheating" has to do with rolling suspensions, which was the topic under discussion here. Is that just because I'm emotionally involved?

Ok...plain and simple. If they take care of this from an academic perspective, it automatically takes care of the player part of the athletics. Now, if the NCAA wants to go after the coaches, agents, tutors whoever, that's another discussion. If the NCAA needs to make sure UNC takes care of the academic part, I have no problem with that either. The reality is, I don't trust the NCAA...nor should any of us. They are the furthest thing from consistent that we can think of and all the chest pounding is comical. What are we talking about here? I thought we were talking about the problems UNC are facing, which include academic problems, instiutional control problems, agent problems. Right down the road. I get why folks want the NCAA to investigate the coaches, tutors etc. I have no idea why they think they should be involved with the student part where academics are the problem (other than making sure UNC follows it's own rules).

 

[firstseason1988]

As a GT alum and homer I take no pleasure in this - now as regularguy points out if it were UGA that's another story (as an aside they had another player arrested today - stay classy UGA!). Anyway, I do wonder how this may affect the outcome of the coastal division. It could work out in GT's favor if the suspensions mean that these players miss the Tech game but are back for Miami or VT. I was expecting a close game in Chapel Hill but if they are missing that many guys in two weeks then I think Tech might be favored.THWG.

Didn't even think about that, but excellent point. I wonder if the NCAA will take that into account in its decision timeline - or that could be where you have the rolling suspension theory, that players are available for conference games but then sit out non-conference.

I really don't think the NCAA takes competitive issues into account in determining suspensions. Nor should they IMO. If it hurts UNC in the division race, so be it. That's the kind of thing risked by a lack of institutional control.

We're not talking about UNC's chances. If these players remain out for the GT game Sept. 18 but many are then eligible to play Miami and VT in late October/early November, that could be a factor in determine the Coastal winner and the BCS rep. In this situation, UNC's problems could actually provide the Jackets an advantage in winning the conference.

If someone cries about UNC players on and off suspension for their reason of losing their conference it would be pretty pathetic. You eastern boys just look for something to cry about I guess.

 

[firstseason1988]

As a GT alum and homer I take no pleasure in this - now as regularguy points out if it were UGA that's another story (as an aside they had another player arrested today - stay classy UGA!). Anyway, I do wonder how this may affect the outcome of the coastal division. It could work out in GT's favor if the suspensions mean that these players miss the Tech game but are back for Miami or VT. I was expecting a close game in Chapel Hill but if they are missing that many guys in two weeks then I think Tech might be favored.THWG.

Didn't even think about that, but excellent point. I wonder if the NCAA will take that into account in its decision timeline - or that could be where you have the rolling suspension theory, that players are available for conference games but then sit out non-conference.

I really don't think the NCAA takes competitive issues into account in determining suspensions. Nor should they IMO. If it hurts UNC in the division race, so be it. That's the kind of thing risked by a lack of institutional control.

We're not talking about UNC's chances. If these players remain out for the GT game Sept. 18 but many are then eligible to play Miami and VT in late October/early November, that could be a factor in determine the Coastal winner and the BCS rep. In this situation, UNC's problems could actually provide the Jackets an advantage in winning the conference.

If someone cries about UNC players on and off suspension for their reason of losing their conference it would be pretty pathetic. You eastern boys just look for something to cry about I guess.

Oh yeah, I got 10 units on LSU -7. Was a pickem, at LSU, no way anyone at UNC has their head on straight right now.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

FWIW, tweet from Dave Miller at NFP via TarHeelFootball that Carter and Sturdivant have been cleared by the NCAA to play and are flying to Atlanta.

 

[pantherclub]

When the News and Observer and Charlotte O turn on you then you know there is going to be big time trouble.

Could our resident UNC homers give me a scenario in which Butch actually keeps his job?

 

[pantherclub]

I wonder if Chief Butch will ask for another raise after tonights game?

 

[Eastwood]

ouch, looking pretty bad at half. On a positive note, Duke beat Elon tonight. Much better than last year's opening loss to Richmond.

 

[Sebowski]

Can't believe the same guy dropped 2 passes in the endzone on the last two plays. Wow.

 

[Ninersfan]

Can't believe the same guy dropped 2 passes in the endzone on the last two plays. Wow.

Great heart shown by the remaining UNC players. Too bad the crooks and cheaters cost them the game.LSU will be looking for a coach after they get pounded by the rest of the SEC. If you can't figure out that pressuring Yates = guaranteed win you deserve what you get.

 

[NMYMND]

I was more at peace at 30-10 than with the way it ended. Now you have questions about "what might have been."

My only defensive comment is about Musberger. Fine going after Austin, etc., but at one point a freshmen defense back made a play, and Musberger said the player had a chance to be good if he did the rights things, etc., and "keeps himself eligible." I know everything that happens/is said is the fault of the coaching staff and players involved, but since this was a true freshmen, thought the comment was a little uncalled for.

I don't know what happens with Butch. If it's worst case with probation, bowl ban(s) and scholarship reduction, then there's little doubt what happens — he becomes a decently paid NFL assistant and skates while the university pays the penalties. If this ends up with 2-3 players out due to agents and 4-6 players with academic violations — and there are no long-term team penalties imposed — he may stay. The image is tarnished regardless, so if the true damage is minimal and he keeps the recruiting class intact, he may stay.

And just a nitpick, but due to the state of the newspaper industry, the N&O and the Observer effectively became one sports section a few years ago. If you want to see which way the old media winds are blowing, you need to also look at what Winston-Salem, Greensboro, Greenville, Fayetteville, Wilmington, etc., are saying. (Though we all know that the entire media industry, especially in North Carolina and Bristol, Conn., is a UNC cabal.)

 

[pantherclub]

I was more at peace at 30-10 than with the way it ended. Now you have questions about "what might have been."

My only defensive comment is about Musberger. Fine going after Austin, etc., but at one point a freshmen defense back made a play, and Musberger said the player had a chance to be good if he did the rights things, etc., and "keeps himself eligible." I know everything that happens/is said is the fault of the coaching staff and players involved, but since this was a true freshmen, thought the comment was a little uncalled for.

I don't know what happens with Butch. If it's worst case with probation, bowl ban(s) and scholarship reduction, then there's little doubt what happens — he becomes a decently paid NFL assistant and skates while the university pays the penalties. If this ends up with 2-3 players out due to agents and 4-6 players with academic violations — and there are no long-term team penalties imposed — he may stay. The image is tarnished regardless, so if the true damage is minimal and he keeps the recruiting class intact, he may stay.

And just a nitpick, but due to the state of the newspaper industry, the N&O and the Observer effectively became one sports section a few years ago. If you want to see which way the old media winds are blowing, you need to also look at what Winston-Salem, Greensboro, Greenville, Fayetteville, Wilmington, etc., are saying. (Though we all know that the entire media industry, especially in North Carolina and Bristol, Conn., is a UNC cabal.)

beautiful

 

[NMYMND]

Wanted to add, I bet some gamblers cleaned up on the game. You could have had LSU -1.5 prior to Thursday, and if I heard right from Uncle Brent, you could have taken UNC +14 on Saturday and won both.

 

[pantherclub]

So Black Santa just got the boot. The snowball keeps getting bigger for Chapel Hill.

 

[Tau837]

Two posts tonight at StateFansNation (IC = Inside Carolina):

A post appeared on HokieHaven from a guy with REALLY good sources:“Hearing that the recruiting stuff (A LOT OF STUFF) on Blake is about to blow. MA is talking like a stuffed pig. BD is about to be gone as well. Academics, agents, money, and illegal recruiting. This is a made-for-HBO-miniseries.”

Here is a quote from IC premium:‘academic impropreities that may extend well beyond our football program into other revenue sports, dating back as far as 2005, it is still just the tip of the iceberg’If any of this is true, could you imagine UNC vacating 2 NCAA bball titles?

 

[pantherclub]

One down and a ton more to go.

From what I heard today there is still another snowball coming down the hill. UNC has retained Harrington and Smith of Raleigh NC. A very very high profile criminal attorney. Ruh roh shaggy. This gets better with each passing minute.

I assume you mean Tharrington Smith, which handles lots of things other than criminal law according to their website, and is comprised of more than one person, despite your reference to a "high profile criminal attorney." So, not sure why you think that's significant.

Of course, basic reading comprehension and writing skills are probably too much to ask from a graduate of the university that once admitted Chris Washburn.

The details are leaking out. Care to retract that statement about "high profile criminal attorney"?

Efforts to reach Blake and Wichard for comment Sunday evening were unsuccessful. Wade Smith, a prominent Raleigh lawyer and North Carolina football standout from 1956 to 1960, has been working with Blake.

"Asked directly if Blake had received money from agents while he was coaching, Smith responded: "That's a complicated question. I should not deal with that, with answering that, while the investigations are ongoing.""

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/09/0...l#ixzz0ykduCTAy

Most connected State guys are saying Wednesday the bottom is going to fall out for UNC. If there is anything you can take from this is that you do not want the NCAA on your campus under any circumstances. As uttered by the beautiful Keisha from Lean on Me, "Mr Clark dont play"

 

[Eastwood]

Here is a quote from IC premium:

‘academic impropreities that may extend well beyond our football program into other revenue sports, dating back as far as 2005, it is still just the tip of the iceberg’

If any of this is true, could you imagine UNC vacating 2 NCAA bball titles?

<---- (dreaming about it right now)