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Urban Meyer - Free Agent (2 Viewers)

NFL teams have to stop hiring these college coaches. I am as big of a college fan as anybody but the reality is it’s the minors compared to the NFL and being successful there doesn’t translate. It’s not the same game. To be great in college you need to out-recruit everybody and then deploy your superior talent advantage to beat the likes of Northwestern etc. Only in the  biggest games does coaching matter and usually the opposing staff isn’t very good either. 
 

With a few limited exceptions a college coach moving up doesn’t work out and is usually a total abomination. Good idea to try and sell tickets but winning sells more. 

 
If Khan brings back Meyer for another season he deserves every bit of misery surely coming to him.  Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on.  Admit the mistake. This was a huge one.  

 
Capella said:
NFL teams have to stop hiring these college coaches. I am as big of a college fan as anybody but the reality is it’s the minors compared to the NFL and being successful there doesn’t translate. It’s not the same game. To be great in college you need to out-recruit everybody and then deploy your superior talent advantage to beat the likes of Northwestern etc. Only in the  biggest games does coaching matter and usually the opposing staff isn’t very good either. 
 

With a few limited exceptions a college coach moving up doesn’t work out and is usually a total abomination. Good idea to try and sell tickets but winning sells more. 
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Wholeheartedly agree and with very few exceptions does it work out. 

Coach KK, I am not a big fan of but he has his team with the QB he worshipped out to the best record in football in less than 3 years, the season is still young and he can show how much of a screwball he is still in 2021 but so far I can't knock the guy like i have in previous years. They still ain't all the way there and I think tonight they finally will be exposed by the Rams, but he has that franchise winning at a high level, he's the exception for sure. 

 
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Capella said:
NFL teams have to stop hiring these college coaches. I am as big of a college fan as anybody but the reality is it’s the minors compared to the NFL and being successful there doesn’t translate. It’s not the same game. To be great in college you need to out-recruit everybody and then deploy your superior talent advantage to beat the likes of Northwestern etc. Only in the  biggest games does coaching matter and usually the opposing staff isn’t very good either. 
 

With a few limited exceptions a college coach moving up doesn’t work out and is usually a total abomination. Good idea to try and sell tickets but winning sells more. 
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Kingsbury is doing ok. 

 
Insein said:
Kingsbury is doing ok. 
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True. Pete Carroll was a successful hire from the college ranks as well despite recent struggles.

Going back I can think of Jimmy Johnson, Bobby Ross, Tom Coughlin and Jim Harbaugh as others that worked out well to varying degrees. There might be others, but success is few and far between for coaches who make that jump - there are way more failures than success stories. In addition to Meyer, Rhule is struggling and probably won't last long either. 

 
Insein said:
Kingsbury is doing ok. 
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I feel like young, innovative college coaches have a chance to be good NFL coaches.  Guys like Petrino and Meyer that have spent years winning by having more talent and are used to being able to intimidate their players are going to have a very hard time adjusting. 

I'd take my chances with guys like Kingsbury, Rhule or Lincoln Riley but I would want no part of Meyer or Brian Kelly.

 
Drake Hater said:
True. Pete Carroll was a successful hire from the college ranks as well despite recent struggles.

Going back I can think of Jimmy Johnson, Bobby Ross, Tom Coughlin and Jim Harbaugh as others that worked out well to varying degrees. There might be others, but success is few and far between for coaches who make that jump - there are way more failures than success stories. In addition to Meyer, Rhule is struggling and probably won't last long either. 
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Carroll was the Patriots head coach for multiple years before he went to college and then back. And a DC with the Jets I think before that. 
 

Kingsbury is a recent good one but he’s also a younger guy. But maybe that’s the one approach to take. 

 
Drake Hater said:
Pete Carroll was a successful hire from the college ranks as well despite recent struggles.
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Carroll however spent time in the NFL before college. He was a head coach for NE and NYJ. He was also DC for the 49ers during the Seifert era before he went to USC. He comes from the Bill Walsh tree as well.

 
there are always exceptions to generalizations...Meyer is not an exception but that doesn't mean that other coaches won't be.  I think the key is being smart and adaptive because if you think what you did in college will work in the pro's, it likely won't.  

 
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Insein said:
He is literally trying to get fired. 
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Reporter: Coach, your offensive line is just not getting it done. They’re getting their ### kicked every single week.

Meyer: (barely audible) Yep

Turns to the opposite side of the room to field the next Q.

It’s bizarro world down there.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Reporter: Coach, your offensive line is just not getting it done. They’re getting their ### kicked every single week.

Meyer: (barely audible) Yep

Turns to the opposite side of the room to field the next Q.

It’s bizarro world down there.
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crazy...as if he has NOTHING to do with it.  take some responsibility, stand up for your players, don't answer the question but to throw your players under the bus and think they're now going to play for you is nuts.  Maybe he's trying to get fired and he's a genius.

 
Banger said:
crazy...as if he has NOTHING to do with it.  take some responsibility, stand up for your players, don't answer the question but to throw your players under the bus and think they're now going to play for you is nuts.  Maybe he's trying to get fired and he's a genius.
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bingo

like last week, I’m sure most of you saw it.

”Did Robinson sit for 20 plays bc of the fumble? Just seems odd bc Carlos fumbled and was back out there next series.”

You’d have to check with Parmele. Or Bevell. I’m not sure what went into that.

”Is it normal for the RBs coach or the OC to  make personnel change decisions.”

Well with James, he’s been battling injury, he’s not himself right now.

Dude has been healthy over a month and was coming off three straight bell cow games.

 
Faust said:
Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan: Won't make hasty decision on Urban Meyer
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Grahamburn said:
It starts at the top. 
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"I want to do the right thing for the team. I want to do the right thing for the city," Khan said. "That, to me, is way more important than just acting helter-skelter on emotion. I think we have a history of really looking at the facts and then really doing the right thing."

Is Khan on any medication we should be aware of? 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
"I want to do the right thing for the team. I want to do the right thing for the city," Khan said. "That, to me, is way more important than just acting helter-skelter on emotion. I think we have a history of really looking at the facts and then really doing the right thing."

Is Khan on any medication we should be aware of? 
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It is perhaps worth noting Shad Khan has had 7 managers in the 8 years he has owned Fulham FC of the Premier League.

 
Grahamburn said:
It starts at the top. 
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agreed.  From a football POV the situation is beyond toxic in every way and the fact he's not already gone says it all.  At this point, Meyer is still there strictly for financial reasons as the owner likely doesn't want to payout on his huge mistake.  Unfortunately, the players and fans have to live with the obvious mistake until it gets worse and/or the owner bites the bullet.   

 
Banger said:
agreed.  From a football POV the situation is beyond toxic in every way and the fact he's not already gone says it all.  At this point, Meyer is still there strictly for financial reasons as the owner likely doesn't want to payout on his huge mistake.  Unfortunately, the players and fans have to live with the obvious mistake until it gets worse and/or the owner bites the bullet.   
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You nailed it, Meyer took advantage of the owner and got him to open the checkbook...

-I posted in the OP in the 2nd Meyer thread that he was making $12Million and it was a 6-7 year deal they had in place, could be a get out clause but I have to imagine at a minimum it's gonna cost Khan $25M+ to get out from under this and it might be closer to like $40M-$50M, I heard one guy say $7M yesterday on the TV but he was totally guessing and the other guy says, OK let's just assume that but they are way short of the number. 

College Coaches are getting $10M per year so it's not that far fetched that Meyer gets 8 figures a year. 

Khan is choking on his own aspirations right now and someone is going to need to apply the Heimlich for him, maybe the GM can step up and do the right thing, fire the coach and live with whatever Khan decides to do to you but there is no backbone in this organization from top to bottom right now, it's sad for the players who have to put up with this.   

 
Ministry of Pain said:
You nailed it, Meyer took advantage of the owner and got him to open the checkbook...

-I posted in the OP in the 2nd Meyer thread that he was making $12Million and it was a 6-7 year deal they had in place, could be a get out clause but I have to imagine at a minimum it's gonna cost Khan $25M+ to get out from under this and it might be closer to like $40M-$50M, I heard one guy say $7M yesterday on the TV but he was totally guessing and the other guy says, OK let's just assume that but they are way short of the number. 

College Coaches are getting $10M per year so it's not that far fetched that Meyer gets 8 figures a year. 

Khan is choking on his own aspirations right now and someone is going to need to apply the Heimlich for him, maybe the GM can step up and do the right thing, fire the coach and live with whatever Khan decides to do to you but there is no backbone in this organization from top to bottom right now, it's sad for the players who have to put up with this.   
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The players need to pull a post Jimmy Johnson Dallas - where they basically ignored the stooge Jerry Jones put in as head coach and coached themselves.   Lawrence can do it.

 
Ex-Jaguars K Josh Lambo has alleged he was kicked by coach Urban Meyer before being released in October. 

Lambo says the incident occurred after he missed kicks in each of his first two preseason appearances. “I’m in a lunge position. Left leg forward, right leg back,” Lambo said. “(Meyer), while I’m in that stretch position, comes up to me and says, ‘Hey (expletive), make your (expletive) kicks!’ And kicks me in the leg.” Lambo said he implored the former college coach to never "(expletive) kick me again!’" Meyer's response was allegedly "‘I’m the head ball coach, I’ll kick you whenever the (expletive) I want.’" Meyer, naturally, has denied the allegation. “Josh’s characterization of me and this incident is completely inaccurate, and there are eyewitnesses to refute his account,” Meyer said. “(GM) Trent (Baalke) and I met with him on multiple occasions to encourage his performance, and this was never brought up. I was fully supportive of Josh during his time with the team and wish him nothing but the best.” Lambo also said he has witnesses, but that he did not want to involve them. We see no reason for Lambo to make the story up. No longer allowed to behave like a tyrant with unpaid college players, Meyer appears comically out of his depth in a league where he is coaching millionaire grown men. 

SOURCE: Tampa Bay Times 

Dec 15, 2021, 5:07 PM ET
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@RealMBB: “Why can’t this team just lose in peace?” - @A_Train_92 #Jaguars

@JuMosq: https://twitter.com/JuMosq/status/1471242845893775360/photo/1

@PriscoCBS: I covered the Jaguars back in the Coughlin days, lived in the  city for over 30 years and did drive-time radio there for 7 years. I have never felt the venom like this aimed at a coach. The ship has sailed as far as the fans — just as season-ticket sales kick off next week.

 
Jags guys..... I feel like Kahn wants a winning team but has no idea WTF he's doing. He's treating the team like a MLB minor league team..... Is this an accurate assessment from my outsider view?

 
wgoldsph said:
If sales start out terribly would that give khan an excuse to finally stick a fork in him?   Even if he gave Meyer a six figure salary?
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I'm lazy but I finally googled where I came up with this 8 figure salary, I'm sure you meant a lot more than $100,000 a year. 

Mike Florio is a pretty good authority on tidbits and rumors $12M per yer to come out of retirement. 

If it's a 5 year deal guaranteed, we're talking $60M here although i would imagine there is language in the contract that would allow for some leeway but I will also say that HC Brian Flores(Meyer was hanging out with Ross when he wasn't letting Khan wine n dine him) got a 5 year fully guaranteed deal a couple seasons back and so it's possible Meyer's is pretty much lock, stock and barrel especially for a pathetic franchise and owner, sorry Jags fans, Miami has one of them too.  

 
belljr said:
Jags guys..... I feel like Kahn wants a winning team but has no idea WTF he's doing. He's treating the team like a MLB minor league team..... Is this an accurate assessment from my outsider view?
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I think so. Gonna be interesting in a couple years when he asks for a new stadium. At least his son is being kept busy with wrasslin

If he wasn't heavily invested in multiple real estate deals in town, I'd be tempted to say he's pulling a Major League though.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I'm lazy but I finally googled where I came up with this 8 figure salary, I'm sure you meant a lot more than $100,000 a year. 

Mike Florio is a pretty good authority on tidbits and rumors $12M per yer to come out of retirement. 

If it's a 5 year deal guaranteed, we're talking $60M here although i would imagine there is language in the contract that would allow for some leeway but I will also say that HC Brian Flores(Meyer was hanging out with Ross when he wasn't letting Khan wine n dine him) got a 5 year fully guaranteed deal a couple seasons back and so it's possible Meyer's is pretty much lock, stock and barrel especially for a pathetic franchise and owner, sorry Jags fans, Miami has one of them too.  
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Not a lawyer but I think he can still be fired for cause, especially if the union gets involved. 

 
At this point, I think Meyer's only way to save himself is by throwing a Molotov cocktail. As Duvall County's most famous wise man once said, anytime you have a problem, you throw a Molotov cocktail and boom, right away you have a different problem.

 
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