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The Gator
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Whoa, guy. Messicans is a whole different animal, once you differentiate, those wetbacks are fair game (again, sorry CGRdr)...just leave us "spics" alone
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gianmarco
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Are you starting or coming off the bench? Can't be any worse than a couple of these guys.
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It doesn't matter, I'm just laughing... Somehow, I quoted that ****, unbeknownst to me
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I know the announcers kept hammering on the 15% chance stat of advancing if you lose the first game but I agree that all is far from lost.Moe. said:
These next two teams are much closer in skill level to the US and Costa Rica is missing a key player in Navas. We will also have a solid home field advantage for both these games where as last night there was plenty of yellow in the stadium.
I don't know if 4 points will get it done but we should be no where near ready to just give up yet.
I think I would have felt worse if it went 3-0 as that is a poor GD to make up if the plan is to try and sneak in with 4 points.
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NewlyRetired
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Did anyone catch the Jones sub last night and what happened off the field? I can't really tell what he said but it appears he basically told JK to go #### himself.
That is a very strange reaction considering JK has stuck by Jones through thick and thin and Jones hardly played well last night that it should have been a shock he was being subbed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtctt8DynIM
That is a very strange reaction considering JK has stuck by Jones through thick and thin and Jones hardly played well last night that it should have been a shock he was being subbed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtctt8DynIM
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Seemed generous to meThe Gator said:
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He tends to watch the games recorded. Not sure if he has seen it yet. He was not optimistic on the result last night going in so I don't think it should surprise him.
Ignoring their rank, Colombia is not a great team but they are still a good level above the US so I don't think this result was too shocking to anyone.
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Steve Tasker
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Just watched the game, was out last night and didn't get a chance to see it live. My comments:
- Zardes - absolutely invisible. I don't hate him as a player, I think he's fine to have in the rotation, but I just don't "see it" with him. I just don't think he's a long-term solution at his position. Seriously I can't remember a single touch he had on the ball.
- Brooks - wasn't terrible in defense but his distribution is atrocious. You've got Bradley lying just in front of the CBs, give him the ball. Any pass over 10-15 yards from Brooks is a disaster.
- Bradley - I still don't like him in this deeper-lying role. I get the strategy/tactics that Klinsmann is going for, but I just think it takes Bradley out of the game. He's a pure box-to-box center mid, in my book. Let him play that role.
- Wood - I know he's the hot hand and I have no quarrels with him in the lineup, but he doesn't look like a winger to me. He looked woefully out of position
- This team in general is not good enough to play with just 3 true midfielders. I didn't think any of Bradley/Jones/Bedoya played particularly poorly (or particularly well, for that matter), but they just don't have enough manpower to compete with Colombia.
- Geoff Cameron's marking on that Zapata goal
- Yedlin's handball was a good call and deserved PK.
- Is anyone else worried that the best field players on this team are the same aging vets time and time again? Is this next generation of the USMNT taking a step back? I thought Dempsey and Jones were alright today. Don't think I heard Fab's name too many times, which is a good thing for a defender. How long are these same players going to carry the team? I thought Yedlin had his moments too, but other than that....
- #### it, start Pulisic next game
- Nagbe tried to do too much, a few too many giveaways but I can't criticize him for trying to do SOMETHING. Just a listless performance at the end from the team. They looked resigned to losing.
- As someone with a longtime history of shoulder dislocations and who is currently on the shelf recovering from an injury sustained in a game, I cringed when James popped his out. Hope he's okay, would be a shame to see such a great player sidelined with a busted shoulder.
- Hipster Herculez is pretty solid in the studio.
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We can still advance but it feels like we just repeat the same thing every 2 or 4 years. We just aren't good enough - somebody has to play the Liverpool role.
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And of course, it just wouldn't quite be a tournament opener without the US giving up a goal in the first 10 minutes.
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It was ironic that he popped his shoulder on what amounted to a dive to try and pick up a free kick. He was not touched before he sprawled.
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Here are some player ratings if people want to compare their thoughts to others. Bradley has rated out the worst on almost every site I saw. I will put in spoilers since this is long for those that don't want to scrawl. Some are copied, some are just links since they are more graphical in nature
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Brad Guzan, 4: The Aston Villa goalkeeper didn’t have much of a chance on the two goals, but looked slow coming off his line as Carlos Bacca raced clear and hit the bar late.
Fabian Johnson, 4: Constrained by his deployment as a fullback, Johnson was fine defensively, but made no impact going forward.
Geoff Cameron, 5: Cameron played a very solid game, but his loss of concentration on the corner that resulted in Cristian Zapata’s goal was extremely costly.
John Brooks, 7: Brooks played well, and he played well with a little vinegar. His was one of the few good performances.
DeAndre Yedlin, 4: Played fast, but not especially sharp. The penalty was unlucky, but unquestionably the right call.
Michael Bradley, 2: It was an atrocious effort from the US captain – reminiscent of his struggles at the 2014 World Cup. Bradley was ponderous in midfield all night, and it was his giveaway that led to the penalty and second goal.
Jermaine Jones, 3: Jones didn’t look like himself. He was frequently a step slow on both sides of the ball in midfield, and had trouble finding the game, which was a far cry from his recent MLS displays with Colorado.
Alejandro Bedoya, 5: Bedoya was active against his parents’ country, but was never going to be the man to unlock the Colombian defense.
Bobby Wood, 4: Wood didn’t have his best stuff, and, seeing as he was played out of position, that’s not incredibly surprising.
Gyasi Zardes, 4: Much the same story as Wood. Zardes needs to be moved central, and he needs to clean up his first touch.
Clint Dempsey, 7: You can blame him for selfishness, but Dempsey was the US’ only credible attacking threat. He was unlucky not to score, and remains an integral part of this team.
Substitutes
Christian Pulisic, 5: Klinsmann waited a long time to play his trump cards, and as a result, Pulisic had neither the time nor the opportunity to make a real impact. Looked good on the ball, though.
Darlington Nagbe, 4: It wasn’t Nagbe’s best night. He never really found the game, and when he did get the ball, Colombia had plenty of bodies around him.
Graham Zusi, 4: Came on very late, and apart from a poor corner delivery, did nothing of note.
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http://www.goal.com/en/match/united-states-vs-colombia/2178753/ratings
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Brad Guzan (6.5) - The netminder, who had no real chance on either goal, made a handful of comfy saves and one helpful rush out of his area.
DeAndre Yedlin (5) - His late first half penalty foul tells much of Yedlin's story from this one, as he was unable to have much impact moving forward.
Geoff Cameron (6.5) - The Stoke handyman made a couple of excellent early plays in the US box before losing the scorer on Colombia's corner kick opener. Cameron then went back to being the team's strongest defender on the day.
John Anthony Brooks (5) - The Hertha Berlin center back failed to have his usual impact with long passes and he got away with a tardy step-up which led to Carlos Bacca ringing the woodwork late.
Fabian Johnson (5) - The 'Gladbach ace was nearly invisible going forward and had a couple of hiccups at the back.
Michael Bradley (5) - Though he offered a few nice restart serves, Bradley never really got his run-of-play passing game going. He also committed a couple of uncharacteristic giveaways in the US end.
Jermaine Jones (5.5) - Much like the team's effort as a whole, Jones was neither especially bad nor terribly effective.
Alejandro Bedoya (5) - The Nantes attacker was linking nearly every US advance in the early going, but faded. Bedoya also took an unnecessary yellow card and squandered a decent volley chance.
Gyasi Zardes (5.5) - The Galaxy man gained his team some yardage on the ball and pitched in with a few defensive stops at the US end. Like the rest of the team, though, he has to be more aggressive.
Bobby Wood (5.5) - Wood started well enough and took part in some of the better US rushes, but drifted out of the game for stretches until being removed midway through the second frame.
Clint Dempsey (6.5) - Probably the most game USMNT player, Dempsey narrowly missed a first half equalizer when he buzzed the frame 10 minutes before halftime. After the break, the man they call "Deuce" had a header cleared off the line and a free kick pushed out of the top corner in quick succession.
Coach Jurgen Klinsmann (5) - Setting aside the two dead ball goals allowed, the game was quite even. However, the US lacked aggressiveness across midfield. Oddly, there was almost no effort to press Colombia into turnovers, even with the hosts down two in the second half. And once again, Johnson was wasted on the back line.
Subs:
Darlington Nagbe (6) - The Timbers midfielder helped the team apply late pressure without making any key plays.
Christian Pulisic (5.5) - The youngster was largely unable to find the ball, and thus, chances to make an impact.
Graham Zusi (-) - A mere cameo.
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GK – Brad Guzan: 5.5 — Very little the Aston Villa ‘keeper could have done on either one of Colombia’s goals. Made five saves on the night.
LB – Fabian Johnson: 6 — Outside of less than a handful of moments, Juan Cuadradohad a totally forgettable night. Prior to kickoff, it was Johnson, who played all of two games at left back for Borussia Monchengladbach this season, the biggest liability and likeliest to be skinned again and again. Width in the attack was lacking, though, and that was (fairly or unfairly) another big ask of Johnson.
CB – John Brooks: 7 — Carlos Bacca, who prior to kickoff many foresaw giving Brooks trouble for 90 minutes, was mostly kept quiet (three shots, one on target). Long balls were easily dispatched; the gaps between Brooks and Geoff Cameron was minimal; he was commanding in a way we’ve rarely (never?) seen from the 23-year-old (yup).
CB – Geoff Cameron: 5 — Totally lost Cristian Zapata, his man, on the game’s opening goal. Despite claiming he was picked, Cameron took the longest route had his head turned the wrong direction at the wrong time as the corner kick came in.
RB – DeAndre Yedlin: 6 — Responsible for the penalty kick that made it 2-0, but made a heroic sliding block on Carlos Bacca halfway through the second half that would have surely made it 3-0, if not for his intervention.
Midfielders
MF – Michael Bradley: 4 — One of the worst performances Bradley has ever put forth for the Stars and Stripes. His giveaway led directly to the penalty (second goal), and it was far from the only one on the night. Short memory certainly required after this one.
MF – Jermaine Jones: 5 — If there’s one instance in which Jones is particularly terrible: when the opposition presses fast and furious in the middle third of the field. Colombia did just that, and Jones’ inability to make quick decision and precise passes were a huge hindrance.
MF – Alejandro Bedoya: 5 — Easily the best American player in the USMNT’s final pre-Copa friendlies, Bedoya struggled in much the same way Jones did. He also relied on Bradley to play him the ball quickly in transition and, well, as discussed above, that just didn’t happen.
Forwards
FW – Bobby Wood: 5 — Herculez Gomez, working as a studio analyst for this game, said it best. Can’t blame that on Wood, per se, but he’s the one who flounders on the field.
FW – Clint Dempsey: 6.5 — He’s not a no. 9, and he’s certainly not a no. 10 — he’s the underneath forward in a 4-4-2, if you’re wondering — asking Dempsey to lead the line is a sin at the feet of head coach Jurgen Klinsmann. With that said, Dempsey managed to be the most dangerous attacker over the 90 minutes.
FW – Gyasi Zardes: 6 — That designation actually belonged to Zardes through 30 — maybe even 45 — minutes, but he faded badly in the second half.
Substitutes
MF – Darlington Nagbe: 5.5 — At his best, Nagbe gets on the ball two, three or four times every possession, and runs at defenders, creating space for the following pass and the pass after that and so on. With Colombia pressing the way they did, good luck.
FW – Christian Pulisic: 5.5 — By the time Pulisic and Nagbe entered the game (66th minute), Colombia had dropped the line of confrontation by about 10 or 15 yards and, while still pressing the with the forwards and wingers, offered precisely zero space either through the center or out wide.
MF – Graham Zusi: N/A — Too little time to make an impact (86th-minute sub), and he didn’t
Brad Guzan, 4: The Aston Villa goalkeeper didn’t have much of a chance on the two goals, but looked slow coming off his line as Carlos Bacca raced clear and hit the bar late.
Fabian Johnson, 4: Constrained by his deployment as a fullback, Johnson was fine defensively, but made no impact going forward.
Geoff Cameron, 5: Cameron played a very solid game, but his loss of concentration on the corner that resulted in Cristian Zapata’s goal was extremely costly.
John Brooks, 7: Brooks played well, and he played well with a little vinegar. His was one of the few good performances.
DeAndre Yedlin, 4: Played fast, but not especially sharp. The penalty was unlucky, but unquestionably the right call.
Michael Bradley, 2: It was an atrocious effort from the US captain – reminiscent of his struggles at the 2014 World Cup. Bradley was ponderous in midfield all night, and it was his giveaway that led to the penalty and second goal.
Jermaine Jones, 3: Jones didn’t look like himself. He was frequently a step slow on both sides of the ball in midfield, and had trouble finding the game, which was a far cry from his recent MLS displays with Colorado.
Alejandro Bedoya, 5: Bedoya was active against his parents’ country, but was never going to be the man to unlock the Colombian defense.
Bobby Wood, 4: Wood didn’t have his best stuff, and, seeing as he was played out of position, that’s not incredibly surprising.
Gyasi Zardes, 4: Much the same story as Wood. Zardes needs to be moved central, and he needs to clean up his first touch.
Clint Dempsey, 7: You can blame him for selfishness, but Dempsey was the US’ only credible attacking threat. He was unlucky not to score, and remains an integral part of this team.
Substitutes
Christian Pulisic, 5: Klinsmann waited a long time to play his trump cards, and as a result, Pulisic had neither the time nor the opportunity to make a real impact. Looked good on the ball, though.
Darlington Nagbe, 4: It wasn’t Nagbe’s best night. He never really found the game, and when he did get the ball, Colombia had plenty of bodies around him.
Graham Zusi, 4: Came on very late, and apart from a poor corner delivery, did nothing of note.
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http://www.goal.com/en/match/united-states-vs-colombia/2178753/ratings
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Brad Guzan (6.5) - The netminder, who had no real chance on either goal, made a handful of comfy saves and one helpful rush out of his area.
DeAndre Yedlin (5) - His late first half penalty foul tells much of Yedlin's story from this one, as he was unable to have much impact moving forward.
Geoff Cameron (6.5) - The Stoke handyman made a couple of excellent early plays in the US box before losing the scorer on Colombia's corner kick opener. Cameron then went back to being the team's strongest defender on the day.
John Anthony Brooks (5) - The Hertha Berlin center back failed to have his usual impact with long passes and he got away with a tardy step-up which led to Carlos Bacca ringing the woodwork late.
Fabian Johnson (5) - The 'Gladbach ace was nearly invisible going forward and had a couple of hiccups at the back.
Michael Bradley (5) - Though he offered a few nice restart serves, Bradley never really got his run-of-play passing game going. He also committed a couple of uncharacteristic giveaways in the US end.
Jermaine Jones (5.5) - Much like the team's effort as a whole, Jones was neither especially bad nor terribly effective.
Alejandro Bedoya (5) - The Nantes attacker was linking nearly every US advance in the early going, but faded. Bedoya also took an unnecessary yellow card and squandered a decent volley chance.
Gyasi Zardes (5.5) - The Galaxy man gained his team some yardage on the ball and pitched in with a few defensive stops at the US end. Like the rest of the team, though, he has to be more aggressive.
Bobby Wood (5.5) - Wood started well enough and took part in some of the better US rushes, but drifted out of the game for stretches until being removed midway through the second frame.
Clint Dempsey (6.5) - Probably the most game USMNT player, Dempsey narrowly missed a first half equalizer when he buzzed the frame 10 minutes before halftime. After the break, the man they call "Deuce" had a header cleared off the line and a free kick pushed out of the top corner in quick succession.
Coach Jurgen Klinsmann (5) - Setting aside the two dead ball goals allowed, the game was quite even. However, the US lacked aggressiveness across midfield. Oddly, there was almost no effort to press Colombia into turnovers, even with the hosts down two in the second half. And once again, Johnson was wasted on the back line.
Subs:
Darlington Nagbe (6) - The Timbers midfielder helped the team apply late pressure without making any key plays.
Christian Pulisic (5.5) - The youngster was largely unable to find the ball, and thus, chances to make an impact.
Graham Zusi (-) - A mere cameo.
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GK – Brad Guzan: 5.5 — Very little the Aston Villa ‘keeper could have done on either one of Colombia’s goals. Made five saves on the night.
LB – Fabian Johnson: 6 — Outside of less than a handful of moments, Juan Cuadradohad a totally forgettable night. Prior to kickoff, it was Johnson, who played all of two games at left back for Borussia Monchengladbach this season, the biggest liability and likeliest to be skinned again and again. Width in the attack was lacking, though, and that was (fairly or unfairly) another big ask of Johnson.
CB – John Brooks: 7 — Carlos Bacca, who prior to kickoff many foresaw giving Brooks trouble for 90 minutes, was mostly kept quiet (three shots, one on target). Long balls were easily dispatched; the gaps between Brooks and Geoff Cameron was minimal; he was commanding in a way we’ve rarely (never?) seen from the 23-year-old (yup).
CB – Geoff Cameron: 5 — Totally lost Cristian Zapata, his man, on the game’s opening goal. Despite claiming he was picked, Cameron took the longest route had his head turned the wrong direction at the wrong time as the corner kick came in.
RB – DeAndre Yedlin: 6 — Responsible for the penalty kick that made it 2-0, but made a heroic sliding block on Carlos Bacca halfway through the second half that would have surely made it 3-0, if not for his intervention.
Midfielders
MF – Michael Bradley: 4 — One of the worst performances Bradley has ever put forth for the Stars and Stripes. His giveaway led directly to the penalty (second goal), and it was far from the only one on the night. Short memory certainly required after this one.
MF – Jermaine Jones: 5 — If there’s one instance in which Jones is particularly terrible: when the opposition presses fast and furious in the middle third of the field. Colombia did just that, and Jones’ inability to make quick decision and precise passes were a huge hindrance.
MF – Alejandro Bedoya: 5 — Easily the best American player in the USMNT’s final pre-Copa friendlies, Bedoya struggled in much the same way Jones did. He also relied on Bradley to play him the ball quickly in transition and, well, as discussed above, that just didn’t happen.
Forwards
FW – Bobby Wood: 5 — Herculez Gomez, working as a studio analyst for this game, said it best. Can’t blame that on Wood, per se, but he’s the one who flounders on the field.
FW – Clint Dempsey: 6.5 — He’s not a no. 9, and he’s certainly not a no. 10 — he’s the underneath forward in a 4-4-2, if you’re wondering — asking Dempsey to lead the line is a sin at the feet of head coach Jurgen Klinsmann. With that said, Dempsey managed to be the most dangerous attacker over the 90 minutes.
FW – Gyasi Zardes: 6 — That designation actually belonged to Zardes through 30 — maybe even 45 — minutes, but he faded badly in the second half.
Substitutes
MF – Darlington Nagbe: 5.5 — At his best, Nagbe gets on the ball two, three or four times every possession, and runs at defenders, creating space for the following pass and the pass after that and so on. With Colombia pressing the way they did, good luck.
FW – Christian Pulisic: 5.5 — By the time Pulisic and Nagbe entered the game (66th minute), Colombia had dropped the line of confrontation by about 10 or 15 yards and, while still pressing the with the forwards and wingers, offered precisely zero space either through the center or out wide.
MF – Graham Zusi: N/A — Too little time to make an impact (86th-minute sub), and he didn’t
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I thought Bradley was very good for the first 40 minutes or so. But that giveaway on the second goal started a nightmare. He pressed in the second half and his passing was just atrocious. His tackling wasn't great either, probably because he didn't want to get a card.
It's a hard performance to judge. At times, the US had a lot of the ball, but that tends to happen against a countering team that scores in the first ten minutes. The US ended up with under .8 expected goals on the match, which means they just didn't create the chances they needed to. I'm not sure how much I can lay at the feet of JK. I guess I would have pressed more at the start of the 2nd half and maybe gotten Nagbe and Pulisic in quicker.
It's a hard performance to judge. At times, the US had a lot of the ball, but that tends to happen against a countering team that scores in the first ten minutes. The US ended up with under .8 expected goals on the match, which means they just didn't create the chances they needed to. I'm not sure how much I can lay at the feet of JK. I guess I would have pressed more at the start of the 2nd half and maybe gotten Nagbe and Pulisic in quicker.
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Is Dempsey the reason we are stuck in this 4-3-3 that is forcing both Wood and Zardes to be in positions where they are clearly not comfortable and causes both Yedlin and Fab to have almost zero offensive input to the game?
And this is not a slight on Dempsey, the guy still looks dangerous, but it feels like the formation is in place to limit Dempsey's running and tracking back needs.
And this is not a slight on Dempsey, the guy still looks dangerous, but it feels like the formation is in place to limit Dempsey's running and tracking back needs.
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Which is why you don't hide him at LB to begin with. Put him where he can make a difference. Because you know, he's a difference maker.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
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I think the 4-3-3 is mostly in place to have 3 CMs to try to control the middle of the field while still making the opponent respect speed down the flanks. It also allows the US to not risk as much by sending FBs on overlaps that often.
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I've got no beef with how Fab was played last night. He locked down Cuadrado. It's not as if Fab is going to be Neymar at LW.
EDIT: Just for context, Fab's "excellent" year as an attacking midfielder this year was 8 goals and 5 assists in 40 appearances.
EDIT: Just for context, Fab's "excellent" year as an attacking midfielder this year was 8 goals and 5 assists in 40 appearances.
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