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B Maverick said:
This I disagree with.  Biggest example in the last game was him 2 yards into the offensive half and his partner 2 yards into the defensive half with a Canadian player running free between them.  Through ball in behind Brooks and Canada is off to the races, luckily they could not finish.  I see this with him every game I've watched (USMNT and the couple German league games I've caught).  Either he is rushing up to dive into a needless challenge in the offensive half (resulting in a foul or an easy turn and break) or he's well ahead of his defense and out of position allowing players in behind him. 

And because of those of you in here stating he is an auto start, I have been trying to watch more of him to see what I am missing.
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this is mostly fair points. I've noticed as well that he tends to over-commit to the 9 showing to the ball with back to goal at MF or even over MF, often times committing needless fouls there and worse, opening space with his team-mates.

I typically like my CB to up the 9's butt- so I mostly like that about him. but yeah- it's the tendency to over-commit that's a problem.

I haven't seen him typically out of line with his D teammates outside of an occasional misstep, but will keep an eye out. tbh- I thought he was the guy setting the line (which of course doesn't make sense past MF stripe).

 
BassNBrew said:
Concacaf is the toughest road environment in the world.  These Euro fanboys have no concept of what a tough road game is.  The travel, the heat/snow, the bumpy fields, and the under-rated USL soccer players.  Securing a draw in El Salvador or Panama is much tougher than rolling into France or Germany and winning the game.
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I know you are just trying to poke fun at certain fans but that is misguided IMO.  You are literally quoting exactly what Tyler Adams said. 

If you want to blame anyone for the attitude, blame our Euro superstars ("World Class Players" as they have been dubbed by some in this thread), not the fans.

 
El Floppo said:
this is mostly fair points. I've noticed as well that he tends to over-commit to the 9 showing to the ball with back to goal at MF or even over MF, often times committing needless fouls there and worse, opening space with his team-mates.

I typically like my CB to up the 9's butt- so I mostly like that about him. but yeah- it's the tendency to over-commit that's a problem.

I haven't seen him typically out of line with his D teammates outside of an occasional misstep, but will keep an eye out. tbh- I thought he was the guy setting the line (which of course doesn't make sense past MF stripe).
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:goodposting:

This would be fine if like you noted, he wasn't rushing up into where a midfielder should be or in his offensive half to do it.  

If he is the one setting the line then its worse, either he's getting ahead of his teammates, not paying attention to where they are or they aren't responding to his directions.  Any of those are issues. I notice it a couple times a game. Esp against pacey opponents.

 
Will be interesting to see how this team works without Dest in the lineup.  That's the one thing I'm most curious about tonight. 

If the US all of a sudden looks more fluid then we can all blame him. 

Wa-La!

 
ChiefD said:
Will be interesting to see how this team works without Dest in the lineup.  That's the one thing I'm most curious about tonight. 

If the US all of a sudden looks more fluid then we can all blame him. 

Wa-La!
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even though Yedlin got totally burned by Davies on the goal, that really simply places him with almost every other RB that Davies has faced and torched in his career.  Honduras has no one even close to Davies ability so I am hopeful Yedlin will be solid defensively.

Our big worry is that he is so limited offensively.   Anything positive we can get out of this side of the game from him will be a bonus.  I have seen some suggestions online to start Acosta at RB but even though Acosta looks like he would have more to give offensively, he is not a typical wide player.  And his offensive play when he has been at the 8 has been average or below average.

Acosta's best games came at the 6.  He has not been able to reproduce his effect on the game at the 8.

 
It probably won't happen this cycle, but he seems very likely to leap frog many of our RB's (Cannon, Moore, Reynolds and Yedlin) in the next 12-18 months

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Joe Scally is our Player of the Month! Well deserved, Joe! Keep up the good work

 
NewlyRetired said:
Here is a question I hope some one will tell me the answer is 0%.

It is the 89th minute.  The US is losing by at least three goals.  Pepi has not played yet.   GGG calls him to sub in.

What is the chance that he refuses to sub in so that he does not get provisionally cap tied for three years?
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You really do live on the edge at all times. 

Come back down Newly Retired!

(0%)

 
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NewlyRetired said:
And playing out of position in two of the three
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at LB, right?

Dest has been spotty for the US. But his upside is up there with Gio and CP imo. they have to figure out how to best use him on the field, which means finding the right wide MF to pair him with.

eta...right=correct, not right/left

 
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NewlyRetired said:
even though Yedlin got totally burned by Davies on the goal, that really simply places him with almost every other RB that Davies has faced and torched in his career.  Honduras has no one even close to Davies ability so I am hopeful Yedlin will be solid defensively.

Our big worry is that he is so limited offensively.   Anything positive we can get out of this side of the game from him will be a bonus.  I have seen some suggestions online to start Acosta at RB but even though Acosta looks like he would have more to give offensively, he is not a typical wide player.  And his offensive play when he has been at the 8 has been average or below average.

Acosta's best games came at the 6.  He has not been able to reproduce his effect on the game at the 8.
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Yedlin makes some great runs and gets crosses into the box often.  The delivery on those crosses leaves a lot to be desired but the ball bouncing around in the box is never a bad thing.

I actually like him offensively, making those runs and putting pressure on.

 
El Floppo said:
at LB, right?

Dest has been spotty for the US. But his upside is up there with Gio and CP imo. they have to figure out how to best use him on the field, which means finding the right wide MF to pair him with.

eta...right=correct, not right/left
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yeah, it was on odd three games to be honest.

LB was hurt so they gave Scally the shot at LB and he played fantastic in his first game.  Could not have asked for more.

So he also started the second game as the regular LB was due back after one more game.  Scally did not play well in this one (I did not watch but that was the general consensus).  So we all just figured he would give the spot up to the normal starter.  But in the same game, the starting RB got hurt, which gave Scally another start at his normal RB position in the 3rd game in which he played well.

 
El Floppo said:
doesn't count if it's the box seats.
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:lmao: fair.

Seriously though if we want more pressure, more pushing forward, more swinging the ball in to dangerous situations and less dribbling around aimlessly 40 yards away from goal then Yedlin actually seems like a pretty good fit for that.  He's going to put his head down, make speedy runs, and cross the ball and put pressure on the defense and potentially open things up for other guys. 

 
FreeBaGeL said:
:lmao: fair.

Seriously though if we want more pressure, more pushing forward, more swinging the ball in to dangerous situations and less dribbling around aimlessly 40 yards away from goal then Yedlin actually seems like a pretty good fit for that.  He's going to put his head down, make speedy runs, and cross the ball and put pressure on the defense and potentially open things up for other guys. 
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outside of his massive brain-fart against Davies, I thought he was decent on the night vs Canada. I like the way he's been playing lately. while his skills haven't necessarily improved, his experience has- so he's more aware of options than he used to be (head down blazing down the chalk-line and wishingly launching a ball across somewhere) and seems better at combination play and/or identifying the simple ball. We could do way worse than having Yedlin in there.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Seriously though if we want more pressure, more pushing forward, more swinging the ball in to dangerous situations and less dribbling around aimlessly 40 yards away from goal then Yedlin actually seems like a pretty good fit for that.  He's going to put his head down, make speedy runs, and cross the ball and put pressure on the defense and potentially open things up for other guys. 
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Yep.

I've been using this shtick on my wife for the last 5 years or so. When the ball goes out wide and I want them to cross it, I always say to her:

"They need to dump it in the soup."

She thinks it's stupid (it is), but I say it all the time. I'm considering paying the local Sporting announcer a couple hundred bucks so he says it at least once in a broadcast.

 
ChiefD said:
Yep.

I've been using this shtick on my wife for the last 5 years or so. When the ball goes out wide and I want them to cross it, I always say to her:

"They need to dump it in the soup."

She thinks it's stupid (it is), but I say it all the time. I'm considering paying the local Sporting announcer a couple hundred bucks so he says it at least once in a broadcast.
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the problem has been the service hasn't been so hot, when it's even happening.

in that behind the crest, they highlighted that filthy Dest run, giving the ball to Aaronson who hits a well timed cross... to the first defender. Yes, it forced the defender to almost go own-goal, but he also had a Pre in the middle and CP (open) far post waiting for it. Those are the balls that just have to be hit well.

I think of ELS's corners- all of them drilled with pace and inswing near the middle/top of the 6. Even though the US had the height, these were wicked crosses that put the US under pressure. I haven't seen that from the US, either from run of play or set pieces.

 
Any one think the Honduras start time is TV contract related?  I seem to remember that even on weekdays, Honduras would start the games in the hottest part of the day just to give themselves an added advantage.

 
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Poke_4_Life said:
Chances we just start Pepi tonight?  Pefok and Sarge have played 180'+, lets give the kid a run.  
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I think one way he starts is if GGG goes with 2 strikers.  If he sticks with the single striker, his odds would be less imo.  I would enjoy seeing him play.   I think we know what we have with Pefok and Sargent and neither are too effective on the minimal service they are getting.  Pepi has scored some nice half chance goals this year.   We could use a goal out of no where type of shot.

 
Turner is in an odd spot evaluation wise.

He has not done anything to claim the job.

He has not done anything to lose the job.

I don't blame him for the goal.  When he saw Brooks make the recovery run, I think he was suppose to cover the near post and not try and cut out the cross himself.

he did have a yip against ELS that gave them a corner which was one clear negative play.  He has not had many chances to make a positive one.  I don't quite understand why he was not credited with a save when Dest misplayed the long ball which sent Davies in alone and Turner had to paw the resulting shot.   

 
At kick off, (at 8:30 local time) temperature and humidity are expected to be 80/85 respectively.    The temp is not terrible (the US has played in the mid 90's down there before) but that is pretty high humidity.   

GGG can't sit on the subs again tonight (which I still don't know why he changed his subbing pattern last game when it had worked well for him all summer).

 
Pepi has not tweeted since he got to camp.  Out of the blue just now he put out a simple "Lets Go!" reply tweet on a US Soccer tweet about the game tonight that he was shown training in.

:popcorn:  Too much to hope for a start but keeping fingers crossed...

 
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I think we can expect the goal scoring to pick up based on history.  Here are the goals per game in the final round.  Note that all years before this one were a 6 team final group.

1998: 2.53

2002: 2.53

2006: 2.78

2010: 2.93

2014: 2.10

2018: 2.53

2022: 1.38

 
NewlyRetired said:
I know you are just trying to poke fun at certain fans but that is misguided IMO.  You are literally quoting exactly what Tyler Adams said. 

If you want to blame anyone for the attitude, blame our Euro superstars ("World Class Players" as they have been dubbed by some in this thread), not the fans.
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I really think there's way too much emphasis on "Concacaf".

IMO the ref'ing in the Nations League, Gold Cup, and WCQs has been as good if not better than you see in your Sat/Sun EPL games.  Pulisic getting hacked down looked like a typical Champions League game.  I've always thought "it's Concacaf" has been more a deflection for underachievement than a reality.  Yeah, away games are tougher...just like they are in every other sport.

 
BassNBrew said:
I really think there's way too much emphasis on "Concacaf".

IMO the ref'ing in the Nations League, Gold Cup, and WCQs has been as good if not better than you see in your Sat/Sun EPL games.  Pulisic getting hacked down looked like a typical Champions League game.  I've always thought "it's Concacaf" has been more a deflection for underachievement than a reality.  Yeah, away games are tougher...just like they are in every other sport.
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That is fine but since you are going against what the coaches, media and players are all saying consistently over the years I still don't understand why you are #####ing about the fans having the same opinion.

 
NewlyRetired said:
At kick off, (at 8:30 local time) temperature and humidity are expected to be 80/85 respectively.    The temp is not terrible (the US has played in the mid 90's down there before) but that is pretty high humidity.   

GGG can't sit on the subs again tonight (which I still don't know why he changed his subbing pattern last game when it had worked well for him all summer).
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That's rough, but I can't imagine it's any worse than Nashville.  I was there 3 weeks ago and it was 90 until past sundown with 90%+ humidity.  

I think Honduras is doing us a huge favor by playing the game late and by halftime it'll only be 75.

 
BassNBrew said:
I really think there's way too much emphasis on "Concacaf".

IMO the ref'ing in the Nations League, Gold Cup, and WCQs has been as good if not better than you see in your Sat/Sun EPL games.  Pulisic getting hacked down looked like a typical Champions League game.  I've always thought "it's Concacaf" has been more a deflection for underachievement than a reality.  Yeah, away games are tougher...just like they are in every other sport.
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There is a big difference IMO.  You mention the UCL.  Pulisic's biggest "hack down" game in the UCL was against Porto.  They were clearly not ok with CP dribbling through their defense, so they fouled him a ton.  Difference?  They ended up with 5 yellow cards that game, 4 of which came directly for fouls on Pulisic, the fifth for consistent fouling although the final foul was on Kovacic. 

Canada was given only 2.  Only one came from open play and that was only given when the US players stepped up and started a pushing fight after having had enough of the BS.  During that scrum, the second yellow was given to another Canadian player for fighting and WE ended up with 2 yellows for fighting from that.  That's disgraceful reffing no matter where you're sitting IMO.

 
encaitar said:
That's rough, but I can't imagine it's any worse than Nashville.  I was there 3 weeks ago and it was 90 until past sundown with 90%+ humidity.  

I think Honduras is doing us a huge favor by playing the game late and by halftime it'll only be 75.
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And by the time T-shirt puts in his first sub, it'll be 62!

 
encaitar said:
There is a big difference IMO.  You mention the UCL.  Pulisic's biggest "hack down" game in the UCL was against Porto.  They were clearly not ok with CP dribbling through their defense, so they fouled him a ton.  Difference?  They ended up with 5 yellow cards that game, 4 of which came directly for fouls on Pulisic, the fifth for consistent fouling although the final foul was on Kovacic. 

Canada was given only 2.  Only one came from open play and that was only given when the US players stepped up and started a pushing fight after having had enough of the BS.  During that scrum, the second yellow was given to another Canadian player for fighting and WE ended up with 2 yellows for fighting from that.  That's disgraceful reffing no matter where you're sitting IMO.
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it is actually quite funny that he mentions Pulisic by name because Pulisic has given many interviews where he basically scoffed at anyone who thinks its the same as playing away in Europe.  Pulisic went as far to say that some times it feels like a different sport.

Pulisic has never struck me as an excuse maker so I take him at his word that there is a different feel down there.

 
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Speaking of Pulisic, as the teams best player he has to put on the big boy panties tonight and put this team on his narrow shoulders. 

Landon lifted many a weak team as did Dempsey.  This would be a great night for Pulisic to follow in their steps.

 
Son has another high school game starting at 5:00. Tied last week. A couple guys on his team missed PK's that would have given them a win.

Very frustrating. Prepared me for watching the USMNT.   :banned:

 
This Allocation Disorder recap of the Canada game could be us talking about Austin FC if you just changed the player/coach names.

:barf:

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
:stolen:

Listen. Until you’ve tasted the heat of the chicken. Until you’ve heard the din of the bachelorette parties. Until you’ve felt the physicality of the mechanical bulls, you don’t know what it’s like to gut out a point in a Concacaf destination like Nashville. 
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I still haven't found out where the bachelorette party came from.  I know the joke is Weston crashed one, but I don't know who said it first.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Speaking of Pulisic, as the teams best player he has to put on the big boy panties tonight and put this team on his narrow shoulders. 

Landon lifted many a weak team as did Dempsey.  This would be a great night for Pulisic to follow in their steps.
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How about we put some responsibility on the coach who has a bigger impact and more responsibility than any single player?

GGG better have these guys ready, better put out the correct lineup and better have the right tactics.

Or his ### gets fired.

 
TripItUp said:
How about we put some responsibility on the coach who has a bigger impact and more responsibility than any single player?
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I don't believe this is true for soccer when talking about your best players.   Of all the sports, a soccer coach has the least effect of what happens on the field (maybe basketball as well but I still think soccer has less). 

The sport's entire DNA is built around players figuring things out.  It is almost the exact opposite of American Football.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I don't believe this is true for soccer when talking about your best players.   Of all the sports, a soccer coach has the least effect of what happens on the field (maybe basketball as well but I still think soccer has less). 

The sport's entire DNA is built around players figuring things out.  It is almost the exact opposite of American Football.
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Agree to disagree.  GGG has inflicted more harm on this team than any other individual thus far in qualifying.   

That may not be a popular opinion, it's certainly not what you are going to hear from Federation fanboys or media that is politically tied to the Federation, but I think it's rather obvious.

 
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TripItUp said:
How about we put some responsibility on the coach who has a bigger impact and more responsibility than any single player?

GGG better have these guys ready, better put out the correct lineup and better have the right tactics.

Or his ### gets fired.
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I see you've found a new shiny annoyance to obsess about.

 
TripItUp said:
Agree to disagree.  GGG has has inflicted more harm on this team than any other individual thus far in qualifying.   

That may not be a popular opinion, it's certainly not what you are going to hear from Federation fanboys or media that is politically tied to the Federation, but I think it's rather obvious.
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I think GGG gets fired tonight with a loss.  I think he stays with a win.  I have no idea what happens if they draw.

 
El Floppo said:
I see you've found a new shiny annoyance to obsess about.
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Blaming the lack of success on proven 22 year old world class players and giving GGG some sort of free pass is wildly misguided IMHO.   

These results, with these players are just not acceptable.  

 
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