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Correct. Only Pepi would make the age cut. Yunus, Scally and Gio all missed by a month or two.
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Correct. Only Pepi would make the age cut. Yunus, Scally and Gio all missed by a month or two.
El Floppo
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Man, that was some great 1-2 play.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Yes, Joe Scally. He was the closest as he missed the cut off by litterally hours. He was born on Dec 31. Cut off was Jan 1.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Not sure why other than "super skilled and lower work rate" but something about the way Luna moves reminds me of Marco Etcheverry.
prefontaine
Footballguy
There are a lot of interesting prospects on this side but I don't think any of them are knocking on the door of the senior side. Honestly, the guy closest to playing for our senior side in this tournament played for Guate (Quimi) just because of his position.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
31-2 GD in the tournament. That is nice domination.
Philly players accounted for 15 goals and 6 assists.
Philly players accounted for 15 goals and 6 assists.
prefontaine
Footballguy
Tsakiris played the full 90 and even knocked in a goal. He of course is eligible for next year's WC, but he will also be eligible for the U20 World Cup in 2025. Obed Vargas who didn't end up coming also will be.
My guess is neither plays the next cycle as they will likely be the Paredes/Gaga tier that their club won't release them. Then again, that quasi already happened to Vargas this year.
My guess is neither plays the next cycle as they will likely be the Paredes/Gaga tier that their club won't release them. Then again, that quasi already happened to Vargas this year.
NewlyRetired
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Vasquez scored for Cincy tonight.
In an extreme rarity, Yanks are high up in the MLS scoring charts. I guess making the WC is wonderful motivation.
Jesus is on top with 10. Vasquez and Ebobisse are at 9 and Nips is at 8.
In an extreme rarity, Yanks are high up in the MLS scoring charts. I guess making the WC is wonderful motivation.
Jesus is on top with 10. Vasquez and Ebobisse are at 9 and Nips is at 8.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Paxten was voted best player of the tournament.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Had been wondering what his status was. Feels like there's still some room for the one of the #8 spots (Weston, Musah, LDLT and ...) and he looked great in his run with the full team before he got hurt.
NewlyRetired
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Footballguy
I think the 4th number 8 will be Gio. He was playing almost exclusively at the 8 for Dortmund during the short periods he was not hurt and most of his minimal US time since the injury has been at the 8.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Based on this tournament and his MLS play, who which of the Aaronson boys will have a better pro career? Which will be more influential for the USMNT?
Obviously Brendan has a head start but Paxton's talent cannot be denied here.
They play the same position (right?), so they'll be in competition for the USMNT.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Watching the 11 Yanks/Tac Manager live recap....the general consensus is that Paxton is ahead of where Our Lil' Brendan was at the same age (from a technical standpoint) . But Paxton might lack the top-end speed/burst that he'll need to get to the top level. But he's still so young, so it may still come.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
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Not exactly. Paxten is more a pure #10. Brenden is more an 8/10 hybrid “transitional mid”. Brenden is probably better defensively in pressing. Paxten is more talented offensively.
I could see them playing together someday
El Floppo
Footballguy
I admit I don't know him well, but I thought he was a 6? And we could use that.
Glad to see him back.
TLEF316
Footballguy
I'm not an MLS watcher (I'll occasionally tune in for a big game, but I'm never watching Real Salt Lake or San Jose or anyone outside the big markets) but I'll be really interested to see how Luna develops over the next year or so. He's obviously unique and he's got the "tries stuff" gene for sure. Seems to process quickly and made some really incisive passes.
But it seems like he wasn't as good against the better teams after a really strong group stage. So I'll be curious to see if he can get consistent PT.
But it seems like he wasn't as good against the better teams after a really strong group stage. So I'll be curious to see if he can get consistent PT.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I noticed this too.
But he was also consistently kick ### against weaker teams...something our best players often aren't. Really excited to see him progress (and stay with the US).
prefontaine
Footballguy
Agree with you. I'm hopeful part of that may just be he hasn't been playing at a high enough level. Moving to MLS hopefully accelerates his development because he will be playing against the "better teams" week in and week out.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Nations League, Gold Cup, U20/23 Champions.
We can go for the clean sweep in the U17's next year.
We can go for the clean sweep in the U17's next year.
The Z Machine
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NewlyRetired
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Cool
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Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Leeds are set to sign Tyler Adams from RB Leipzig, done deal and here we go! Deal completed for £20m fee [add ons included]. It’s 100% agreed, Jesse Marsch wanted him. #LUFC Adams will travel to England soon to undergo medical tests and sign long term deal with Leeds.
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Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Leeds are set to sign Tyler Adams from RB Leipzig, done deal and here we go! Deal completed for £20m fee [add ons included]. It’s 100% agreed, Jesse Marsch wanted him. #LUFC Adams will travel to England soon to undergo medical tests and sign long term deal with Leeds.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Twitter says NYRB will be getting around $8m for this sale since they still hold a % of Adams.
NewlyRetired
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hmm..translated tweet
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Regarding Matthijs de Ligt:
Renewal stopped. He wants a new challenge. Juve asks for 80/100 mln € . Juve-Che negotiation. The Italians have asked for Pulisic, CHE says NO. Constant contacts between the Blues and the player environment. Bayern, City and United: pay attention.
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Regarding Matthijs de Ligt:
Renewal stopped. He wants a new challenge. Juve asks for 80/100 mln € . Juve-Che negotiation. The Italians have asked for Pulisic, CHE says NO. Constant contacts between the Blues and the player environment. Bayern, City and United: pay attention.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I bet there are a bunch of guys in that group that look like world beaters. Should be an exciting tournament to see.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Overall, yes. More talented, no. But sometimes talent isn't everything.
They played to their strengths, minimized their weaknesses. They got points Central America (draw in Mexico, wins in ELS and HON) where the US has historically struggled. Canada can score goals and they can engage in CONCACAF ####housery to close out games.
They were absolutely the better team in qualifying.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I mean overall.
IOW, if the US played Canada 100 times -- say once a week in a neutral venue, with whoever was healthy that week -- do you think Canada would win more than the US?
I think the US would come out comfortably ahead.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Exactly this.
To a man, they knew what their roles were and executed them well every game, which 9f course goes towards how they played as a team- clear tactics, executed well every game.
El Floppo
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NewlyRetired
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OptaJack
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2010-11 - The last time two American outfield players each appeared in at least 10 games for the same team in a Premier League season was 2010-11 (C. Dempsey, E. Johnson -@FulhamFC)
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@OptaJack
2010-11 - The last time two American outfield players each appeared in at least 10 games for the same team in a Premier League season was 2010-11 (C. Dempsey, E. Johnson -@FulhamFC)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
They finished 3 pts ahead of us - you’re overselling Canada here, IMO. If they had the injuries we had to the same key people they maybe done even qualify. They finished 1st deservedly but they were not that much better than MEX or US.
El Floppo
Footballguy
its a weird conversation. and I don't see him overselling Canada.
they finished first and took points from anybody around them. they might be a "weaker" assembly of players than Mex and US, but throughout qualifying they played as the better team, which the results and eye-test showed. those results would've been historic for the US (points and wins away from home).
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Maybe I’m reading something that’s not there but “absolutely” to me means they were much better - I don’t think they were.
El Floppo
Footballguy
ah. I get caught up in words like that too, so I see your point.Maybe I’m reading something that’s not there but “absolutely” to me means they were much better - I don’t think they were.
but due to standings and doing everything they needed to do, I think the case could be made for "absolutely". they dictated every game they played, and did everything they needed to do to get the results.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Canada averaged 2 points a game.
In 2006 qualifying, the US averaged 2.2 points per game.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
And unless you think their GK is the lovechild of Buffon and Khan, they also got very lucky in terms of xG.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
El Floppo
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Lets compare:
Canada was 2-3-2 (W-D-L) this cycle away from home. 9 points from 7 games or 1.28 points per game
US was 2-1-2 (W-D-L) in 2006 away from home. 7 points from 5 games or 1.4 points per game.
It is not apples to apples since the qualifying cycles were of different amount of games but there may be enough evidence here to say it would not have been historic if the US did what Canada did this year away from home.
Canada was a solid 6-1-0 at home. 19 out of 21 possible points.
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El Floppo
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I STAND CORRECTED
I mis-remembered them beating CR away, but they lost 0-1.
Win/Draw vs both Mex and US is pretty incredible though. I'm replacing the US with a US top opponent- like a CR- and imagining that result out of qualifying. not historic.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Mexico had the best away record (4-1-2), which they needed since they had 3 draws at home.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Canada had qualification locked up with two games left to play as I recall. That's pretty rare in CONCACAF, although the ocho format favors this.
Also, Davies was injured for like 30% of their matches as I recall. He's likely the best player in the region.
They did get lucky with other injuries and other teams not converting xG into goals. But that's why you play the funny ol' game.
Finally, as my old man says, "it's better to be lucky than good."
Also, Davies was injured for like 30% of their matches as I recall. He's likely the best player in the region.
They did get lucky with other injuries and other teams not converting xG into goals. But that's why you play the funny ol' game.
Finally, as my old man says, "it's better to be lucky than good."
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I don't know how I missed this but we have another brother set brewing. I just never made the connection.
Tyler Wolff, from Atlanta United and the U20's we just watched is Josh Wolff's son. Josh, who is the current head coach of Austin, also has his 17 year old son Owen, Tyler's bother, on the senior roster and getting minutes.
Sure, having dad as a coach certainly helps but every one scream nepotism when Bob did the exact same thing years ago for Michael and that worked out pretty well.
Tyler Wolff, from Atlanta United and the U20's we just watched is Josh Wolff's son. Josh, who is the current head coach of Austin, also has his 17 year old son Owen, Tyler's bother, on the senior roster and getting minutes.
Sure, having dad as a coach certainly helps but every one scream nepotism when Bob did the exact same thing years ago for Michael and that worked out pretty well.
NewlyRetired
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[Fabrizio Romano] Gabriel Slonina, performing at top level in MLS. There was a verbal agreement in place with Chelsea for €10m - Chicago Fire waiting to see if after departure of Petr Cech the deal will collapse again. #CFC Slonina was already really close to Chelsea in January.
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