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US Men's National Team (17 Viewers)

1. It's 2 games. And the game today not particularly meaningful.

imo, every game from here on in to the WC is meaningful- especially with the "full" A team.
2. We are still missing some key players
every team was missing players. we will guaranteed, be missing somebody come the WC and have to figure out from a player and manager standpoint how to make those adjustments.
3. It's still early and this is new for Poch, both how to implement his system and for the players to do it.
I didn't see any adjustments, I didn't see guys comfortable in their positions, and I saw very poor team shape on both sides of the ball- all things that give me concern about Poch. and if arguably the best player in concacaf disappears completely for 2 games... the tactics are all wrong.
4. It's late in the season and fatigue is certainly setting in, especially for Pulisic and Weston who have been playing a lot of minutes.
this is true. also true for the stars of the other teams, who didn't seem to have the same issues.
5. Turner just hasn't been good. Yes, we need to score, but his inability to stop the 1 shot for Panama shows we need to address a key position.
yeah- GK has turned into a weak spot for the US. GK and CB of all positions (that have both been historical strengths). andy's touched on it- but the US needs somebody anybody to step up and plug that hole. not a guy who barely logs cup minutes and is still not so great with his feet.
I would have liked to see better these past few days, but I'm not "concerned" just because of these 2 games.

Maybe this will help temper expectations and light a little fire and we can learn and improve. I'm still optimistic and I still think we are in a MUCH better position with Poch. And even if we aren't, I KNOW we had limited upside with GGG for 2026 WC so I don't care if we end up finding out we downgraded (even though I highly doubt it). At least the money and attempt was made to take the next step.
if it had been the one game v Panama with a turnaround to something better vs Canada, I'd be less concerned. two games after a camp signifies pattern to me, albeit hopefully fixed for the next camp and run of games. I'm an optimist too, and still believe/hope in the quality of the players to produce much better than this. they've shown they can while under Poch...albeit in games that don't matter.
 
So thinking about the guys missing and the possible impact in June:

* Jedi and Dest speak for themselves. Things are either going to look better or the team’s current make up/set up may be worse than we feared

* Trusty. Poch can’t seem to find a CB combo he likes. Maybe having Trusty partner with CCV as they do at club level will give him another option

I've been talking about the Trusty/CCV combo getting auto-started for Celtic- which has to be a good thing in the abstract. in the light of daytime games that matter, CCV didn't impress me. I did like Richards. and McK was up and down for me.

Are Celtic in the Club WC? or will they get a chance to play in the Gold Cup?
* Striker - while I don’t think either Argy or Sargent played poorly, I don’t think either of them played well enough that Poch won’t be looking for upgrades. I don’t expect Pepi will be ready for the Gold Cup but I am expecting Balogun to be there. What form he will be in is another question
I thought Ag played poorly yesterday. thought he had a big handful of decent opportunities early that he flubbed either with touch or poor body position and then kinda disappeared. Bombita is a quality CB, so maybe the kid isn't up for the next level.
* The Conundrum duo: Tillman and Johnny. Two guys who perform at a high level both in league and in European competition but neither comes close to that quality, at least so far, for the US.
I've come to the belief that Johnny needs to be in a double pivot to be useful. I like the guy- have seen some quality touch and vision from him, but he's not a high-energy ground covering 8...so using him the way Poch used the 2 8s over the weekend just won't work and he's nowhere near Adams as a 6. I do think he'd be a quality supplement to Adams if they both played back with a Swag, GIo, Luna or Tillman ahead of them.

Tillman... dunno. feel like he's played more wide for PSV, with the freedom to roam a bit. while I like his ability to defend and track back (powerful, athletic and great read on the ball/pass), it's not really asked of him for PSV. I've seen high quality attacking ability off the dribble, run, pass and shot- but have also seen him lose the ball easily. I think he would've been a good guy to have over the weekend vs both teams- would've given the US a different look and maybe enough creativity and athleticism to unlock something. needs to be in the mix for sure- and maybe his versality (wide, central) is an added bonus and not a detraction.
* Steffen: If he keeps his league form, I really think he needs to be given one more chance. Poch needs to find lightning in a bottle some where and keeper is the best chance at that due to the variance of the position
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1. It's 2 games. And the game today not particularly meaningful.

imo, every game from here on in to the WC is meaningful- especially with the "full" A team.
2. We are still missing some key players
every team was missing players. we will guaranteed, be missing somebody come the WC and have to figure out from a player and manager standpoint how to make those adjustments.
3. It's still early and this is new for Poch, both how to implement his system and for the players to do it.
I didn't see any adjustments, I didn't see guys comfortable in their positions, and I saw very poor team shape on both sides of the ball- all things that give me concern about Poch. and if arguably the best player in concacaf disappears completely for 2 games... the tactics are all wrong.
4. It's late in the season and fatigue is certainly setting in, especially for Pulisic and Weston who have been playing a lot of minutes.
this is true. also true for the stars of the other teams, who didn't seem to have the same issues.
5. Turner just hasn't been good. Yes, we need to score, but his inability to stop the 1 shot for Panama shows we need to address a key position.
yeah- GK has turned into a weak spot for the US. GK and CB of all positions (that have both been historical strengths). andy's touched on it- but the US needs somebody anybody to step up and plug that hole. not a guy who barely logs cup minutes and is still not so great with his feet.
I would have liked to see better these past few days, but I'm not "concerned" just because of these 2 games.

Maybe this will help temper expectations and light a little fire and we can learn and improve. I'm still optimistic and I still think we are in a MUCH better position with Poch. And even if we aren't, I KNOW we had limited upside with GGG for 2026 WC so I don't care if we end up finding out we downgraded (even though I highly doubt it). At least the money and attempt was made to take the next step.
if it had been the one game v Panama with a turnaround to something better vs Canada, I'd be less concerned. two games after a camp signifies pattern to me, albeit hopefully fixed for the next camp and run of games. I'm an optimist too, and still believe/hope in the quality of the players to produce much better than this. they've shown they can while under Poch...albeit in games that don't matter.
Your face, yada yada....
 
So thinking about the guys missing and the possible impact in June:

* Jedi and Dest speak for themselves. Things are either going to look better or the team’s current make up/set up may be worse than we feared

* Trusty. Poch can’t seem to find a CB combo he likes. Maybe having Trusty partner with CCV as they do at club level will give him another option

I've been talking about the Trusty/CCV combo getting auto-started for Celtic- which has to be a good thing in the abstract. in the light of daytime games that matter, CCV didn't impress me. I did like Richards. and McK was up and down for me.

Are Celtic in the Club WC? or will they get a chance to play in the Gold Cup?
* Striker - while I don’t think either Argy or Sargent played poorly, I don’t think either of them played well enough that Poch won’t be looking for upgrades. I don’t expect Pepi will be ready for the Gold Cup but I am expecting Balogun to be there. What form he will be in is another question
I thought Ag played poorly yesterday. thought he had a big handful of decent opportunities early that he flubbed either with touch or poor body position and then kinda disappeared. Bombita is a quality CB, so maybe the kid isn't up for the next level.
* The Conundrum duo: Tillman and Johnny. Two guys who perform at a high level both in league and in European competition but neither comes close to that quality, at least so far, for the US.
I've come to the belief that Johnny needs to be in a double pivot to be useful. I like the guy- have seen some quality touch and vision from him, but he's not a high-energy ground covering 8...so using him the way Poch used the 2 8s over the weekend just won't work and he's nowhere near Adams as a 6. I do think he'd be a quality supplement to Adams if they both played back with a Swag, GIo, Luna or Tillman ahead of them.

Tillman... dunno. feel like he's played more wide for PSV, with the freedom to roam a bit. while I like his ability to defend and track back (powerful, athletic and great read on the ball/pass), it's not really asked of him for PSV. I've seen high quality attacking ability off the dribble, run, pass and shot- but have also seen him lose the ball easily. I think he would've been a good guy to have over the weekend vs both teams- would've given the US a different look and maybe enough creativity and athleticism to unlock something. needs to be in the mix for sure- and maybe his versality (wide, central) is an added bonus and not a detraction.
* Steffen: If he keeps his league form, I really think he needs to be given one more chance. Poch needs to find lightning in a bottle some where and keeper is the best chance at that due to the variance of the position
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Celtic are not in the CWC so both players should be available for selection if Poch wants.

Agy is raw as hell. His career is shaping up to be a late blooming player so he may still have some improvement to go but he does not appear to be anything other than a stop gap at the moment.

Tillman would have been interesting in the Weston role (RW but roamed the whole game) against Panama.
 
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Best case is that the US can get a run of 8 games this summer which is a really good number of games. 2 of them are likely to be against weak teams, but the other 6 should be good competition, especially given where we are now.

There is no 3rd place game, so to get the full 8 games we have to advanced to the finals.
 
Agy is raw as hell. He appears to be a late blooming player so he may still have some improvement to go but he does not appear to be anything other than a stop gap at the moment.
FWIW, I still have hopes for the kid. he's showed a lot of qualities that could be huge for the US... and certainly are different than any of the other 9s in the program near this level. but yeah- still raw. hopefully games like yesterday give him growth
 
I feel like I have at least one major question at every line of position of the USMNT.

Obviously I wonder if we even have an international caliber goalkeeper if Turner is not game sharp. I don't know who the CB to pair with Richards (who at least has largely convinced me) is. I'd prefer it to be McKenzie, but he did not fill me with confidence last night.

At midfield, I just feel like I never know what Weston McKennie is going to show up. He's almost at the old "Good Sergino/Bad Sergino" level of uncertainty for me. I THINK that is we just want our midfield to do what they did in 2022, then Wes, Musa, and Adams are fine. They can eat up space and win balls and help control game states. But no matter how many spells he has as a creative player at times for Juventus, I think it's a mistake to ask McKennie to be a creative player in this team. He just has too many games where he loses the ball a lot. And he should not, under any circumstances, play as a 10.

Finding the right striker is obviously an issue. But so is finding that striker service. I also think that as with Weston, we shouldn't be looking to Pulisic to be so much of a creator who comes back to get the ball and run at people. I think he's at his best in Milan making runs in behind and getting to the back post. He can create, but we try to run way too much through him. It worried me to hear that Poch is considering using him like Christian Ericksen. I don't see that in him at all. The problem at striker is that I think Balogun, Pepe, and Sargent are all likely to play the position slightly differently. Considering Poch like what Ag provides, I think Balo might be the most natural fit for what Poch wants, even though I think Pepe is the best striker in the pool.

The thing is, I think you really have to squint to see a team capable of winning a knockout game here. Yes, having the fullbacks back should make a big difference. But there are just a lot of holes where real contending teams are more likely trying to decide between multiple good options.
 
I feel like I have at least one major question at every line of position of the USMNT.

Obviously I wonder if we even have an international caliber goalkeeper if Turner is not game sharp. I don't know who the CB to pair with Richards (who at least has largely convinced me) is. I'd prefer it to be McKenzie, but he did not fill me with confidence last night.

At midfield, I just feel like I never know what Weston McKennie is going to show up. He's almost at the old "Good Sergino/Bad Sergino" level of uncertainty for me. I THINK that is we just want our midfield to do what they did in 2022, then Wes, Musa, and Adams are fine. They can eat up space and win balls and help control game states. But no matter how many spells he has as a creative player at times for Juventus, I think it's a mistake to ask McKennie to be a creative player in this team. He just has too many games where he loses the ball a lot. And he should not, under any circumstances, play as a 10.

Finding the right striker is obviously an issue. But so is finding that striker service. I also think that as with Weston, we shouldn't be looking to Pulisic to be so much of a creator who comes back to get the ball and run at people. I think he's at his best in Milan making runs in behind and getting to the back post. He can create, but we try to run way too much through him. It worried me to hear that Poch is considering using him like Christian Ericksen. I don't see that in him at all. The problem at striker is that I think Balogun, Pepe, and Sargent are all likely to play the position slightly differently. Considering Poch like what Ag provides, I think Balo might be the most natural fit for what Poch wants, even though I think Pepe is the best striker in the pool.

The thing is, I think you really have to squint to see a team capable of winning a knockout game here. Yes, having the fullbacks back should make a big difference. But there are just a lot of holes where real contending teams are more likely trying to decide between multiple good options.
Where does Luna fit in this team?

Only game I have seen from him was last night- but he looks like he needs to be in our best XI.
 
I feel like I have at least one major question at every line of position of the USMNT.

Obviously I wonder if we even have an international caliber goalkeeper if Turner is not game sharp. I don't know who the CB to pair with Richards (who at least has largely convinced me) is. I'd prefer it to be McKenzie, but he did not fill me with confidence last night.

At midfield, I just feel like I never know what Weston McKennie is going to show up. He's almost at the old "Good Sergino/Bad Sergino" level of uncertainty for me. I THINK that is we just want our midfield to do what they did in 2022, then Wes, Musa, and Adams are fine. They can eat up space and win balls and help control game states. But no matter how many spells he has as a creative player at times for Juventus, I think it's a mistake to ask McKennie to be a creative player in this team. He just has too many games where he loses the ball a lot. And he should not, under any circumstances, play as a 10.

Finding the right striker is obviously an issue. But so is finding that striker service. I also think that as with Weston, we shouldn't be looking to Pulisic to be so much of a creator who comes back to get the ball and run at people. I think he's at his best in Milan making runs in behind and getting to the back post. He can create, but we try to run way too much through him. It worried me to hear that Poch is considering using him like Christian Ericksen. I don't see that in him at all. The problem at striker is that I think Balogun, Pepe, and Sargent are all likely to play the position slightly differently. Considering Poch like what Ag provides, I think Balo might be the most natural fit for what Poch wants, even though I think Pepe is the best striker in the pool.

The thing is, I think you really have to squint to see a team capable of winning a knockout game here. Yes, having the fullbacks back should make a big difference. But there are just a lot of holes where real contending teams are more likely trying to decide between multiple good options.
Where does Luna fit in this team?

Only game I have seen from him was last night- but he looks like he needs to be in our best XI.
I think it depends on whether Poch thinks that Adams and a double-pivot partner can largely control the midfield on their own. If so, I think the US should play a 10. And right now, until Gio gets consistent minutes and fitness, Luna is ahead of Gio in that role. Pedigree be damned. Tillman would probably also be in competition for that spot, but he's never shown that to me for the US. Despite being insanely productive for PSV.

One thing I absolutely agree with Poch on is that I don't give a **** where Luna is playing. I'd rather he be grabbing games by the balls in MLS than trying to break through overseas. I just want a player to inherit the Clint Dempsey "he tries ****" mantle.
 
I feel like I have at least one major question at every line of position of the USMNT.

Obviously I wonder if we even have an international caliber goalkeeper if Turner is not game sharp. I don't know who the CB to pair with Richards (who at least has largely convinced me) is. I'd prefer it to be McKenzie, but he did not fill me with confidence last night.

At midfield, I just feel like I never know what Weston McKennie is going to show up. He's almost at the old "Good Sergino/Bad Sergino" level of uncertainty for me. I THINK that is we just want our midfield to do what they did in 2022, then Wes, Musa, and Adams are fine. They can eat up space and win balls and help control game states. But no matter how many spells he has as a creative player at times for Juventus, I think it's a mistake to ask McKennie to be a creative player in this team. He just has too many games where he loses the ball a lot. And he should not, under any circumstances, play as a 10.

Finding the right striker is obviously an issue. But so is finding that striker service. I also think that as with Weston, we shouldn't be looking to Pulisic to be so much of a creator who comes back to get the ball and run at people. I think he's at his best in Milan making runs in behind and getting to the back post. He can create, but we try to run way too much through him. It worried me to hear that Poch is considering using him like Christian Ericksen. I don't see that in him at all. The problem at striker is that I think Balogun, Pepe, and Sargent are all likely to play the position slightly differently. Considering Poch like what Ag provides, I think Balo might be the most natural fit for what Poch wants, even though I think Pepe is the best striker in the pool.

The thing is, I think you really have to squint to see a team capable of winning a knockout game here. Yes, having the fullbacks back should make a big difference. But there are just a lot of holes where real contending teams are more likely trying to decide between multiple good options.
Where does Luna fit in this team?

Only game I have seen from him was last night- but he looks like he needs to be in our best XI.
huh... I liked him last night and definitely feel like he's in the mix. but not convinced of starting 11 yet.

I think he'd be at the 10, double 8, or fill-in on the wings or even attacking as situations dictate.
 
I didn't even realize Luna is only 21.

Really liked what I saw from him (and the couple times I've seen him in MLS as well).

I think Luna or Tillman should absolutely be our #10.
 
One way to look at the team is to talk about the guys who I think are pretty cemented in the starting XI. And to me, that's six guys (if healthy).

Jedi, Dest, Richards, Adams, Pulisic, and Weah. I think it's clear that we don't have better options at the fullback, CB, DM, and wings than those six guys.

For me, neither Weston or Musah have been consistent enough or impactful enough to be assured a place in the midfield. Nor has any striker distanced himself. And frankly, I'm just hoping we have viable options at keeper and LCB. Those are really, really bad weaknesses right now.
 
I feel like I have at least one major question at every line of position of the USMNT.

Obviously I wonder if we even have an international caliber goalkeeper if Turner is not game sharp. I don't know who the CB to pair with Richards (who at least has largely convinced me) is. I'd prefer it to be McKenzie, but he did not fill me with confidence last night.

At midfield, I just feel like I never know what Weston McKennie is going to show up. He's almost at the old "Good Sergino/Bad Sergino" level of uncertainty for me. I THINK that is we just want our midfield to do what they did in 2022, then Wes, Musa, and Adams are fine. They can eat up space and win balls and help control game states. But no matter how many spells he has as a creative player at times for Juventus, I think it's a mistake to ask McKennie to be a creative player in this team. He just has too many games where he loses the ball a lot. And he should not, under any circumstances, play as a 10.

Finding the right striker is obviously an issue. But so is finding that striker service. I also think that as with Weston, we shouldn't be looking to Pulisic to be so much of a creator who comes back to get the ball and run at people. I think he's at his best in Milan making runs in behind and getting to the back post. He can create, but we try to run way too much through him. It worried me to hear that Poch is considering using him like Christian Ericksen. I don't see that in him at all. The problem at striker is that I think Balogun, Pepe, and Sargent are all likely to play the position slightly differently. Considering Poch like what Ag provides, I think Balo might be the most natural fit for what Poch wants, even though I think Pepe is the best striker in the pool.

The thing is, I think you really have to squint to see a team capable of winning a knockout game here. Yes, having the fullbacks back should make a big difference. But there are just a lot of holes where real contending teams are more likely trying to decide between multiple good options.
Where does Luna fit in this team?

Only game I have seen from him was last night- but he looks like he needs to be in our best XI.
huh... I liked him last night and definitely feel like he's in the mix. but not convinced of starting 11 yet.

I think he'd be at the 10, double 8, or fill-in on the wings or even attacking as situations dictate.
He looked to have everything we want in a US player - he has a bit of strength and grit to go with his acceleration and technical skills.

He looked like the only player trying to make things happen for large chunks of the game last night.
 
until proven otherwise, we all agree Musah is now a sub?
I couldn't be arsed to complain if Poch chose him or McKennie at this point. I figure I know what I'll get with Musah. It's OK. It's Darlington Nagbe. And like with Nagbe, I kind of think that skillset is really useful against superior teams but kind of crap against worse teams. Because I don't care that much about a shuttler who breaks pressure and has nothing in the final third against teams that are playing a low block.

But again, McKennie is the master of interspersing MoM performances every once in a while in amongst a bunch of dog crap performances. I have no idea how I'd handle him as a manager. My instinct is to stop acting like he's an autostart. But he that's when he somehow takes over games I don't expect him to.
 
One way to look at the team is to talk about the guys who I think are pretty cemented in the starting XI. And to me, that's six guys (if healthy).

Jedi, Dest, Richards, Adams, Pulisic, and Weah. I think it's clear that we don't have better options at the fullback, CB, DM, and wings than those six guys.

For me, neither Weston or Musah have been consistent enough or impactful enough to be assured a place in the midfield. Nor has any striker distanced himself. And frankly, I'm just hoping we have viable options at keeper and LCB. Those are really, really bad weaknesses right now.
I still think Weston is on that list. But agree with the rest.
 
The thing is, I think you really have to squint to see a team capable of winning a knockout game here.

What makes it hard to predict is that the first knock out round is a round of 32 teams this time around.

That means you could literally range in opponent strength from the team that will win the World Cup to a team that would have come in dead last in the normal 32 team format.
 
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until proven otherwise, we all agree Musah is now a sub?
I clearly see things differently than his coaches.

I think he is a decent pro when played in the middle. I think he can be a liability when played out wide.

But both his club and his national team coach see him as a wide player.

As a pure winger, he can’t be a starter on this team imo. He just does not have the skill set/confidence to be out there.
 
I really hope Poch is flexible.

I just can’t see how he can watch these games on tape and assume he is going to keep putting Pulisic in a role where our best player is being reduced to the margins.
 
I really hope Poch is flexible.

I just can’t see how he can watch these games on tape and assume he is going to keep putting Pulisic in a role where our best player is being reduced to the margins.
This was my biggest issue with Poch this go around. CP was invisible... So make some tactical or personnel changes to try to unlock him. I didn't see that happen.
 
I really hope Poch is flexible.

I just can’t see how he can watch these games on tape and assume he is going to keep putting Pulisic in a role where our best player is being reduced to the margins.
This was my biggest issue with Poch this go around. CP was invisible... So make some tactical or personnel changes to try to unlock him. I didn't see that happen.
when I saw Luna in the starting line up I was certain he had decided to change the role and then 5 seconds into the game I groaned because I could see Pulisic was in the middle again.

I did not mind giving it a shot against Panama. but when he did not make changes at half time of the Panama game, or even worse, did not make any changes to Pulisic's role in between games, it makes me get a bad feeling that Poch might not be as flexible as I had hoped.
 
In the future, if there is a game controlled by Concacaf, you can get a full english feed, live on their youtube channel.

You will need to set your VPN to a European country.

I tested it on my tv last night for the Mexico game and it worked great.
 
In the future, if there is a game controlled by Concacaf, you can get a full english feed, live on their youtube channel.

You will need to set your VPN to a European country.

I tested it on my tv last night for the Mexico game and it worked great.
I'll need to set my VPN to somebody who knows how to set VPNs first.
 
In the future, if there is a game controlled by Concacaf, you can get a full english feed, live on their youtube channel.

You will need to set your VPN to a European country.

I tested it on my tv last night for the Mexico game and it worked great.
I'll need to set my VPN to somebody who knows how to set VPNs first.
I mean it is literally one click of your remote :)

That assumes you have a VPN service of course.
 
In the future, if there is a game controlled by Concacaf, you can get a full english feed, live on their youtube channel.

You will need to set your VPN to a European country.

I tested it on my tv last night for the Mexico game and it worked great.
I'll need to set my VPN to somebody who knows how to set VPNs first.
I mean it is literally one click of your remote :)

That assumes you have a VPN service of course.
Im sure this is one of those, if I have to ask .. I don't.
 
This is Antonio Freeman's kid. I have seen some highlights and oh my is he an athlete

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Vuyo Regálo II

@RegaloJnr

Only a handful of games into the MLS season but there’s already a contender for the Breakout Player of the Year in Alex Freeman.

A 20 year old fullback; he’s relentless & his athleticism allows him to be effective both on & off the ball.

2 goals & 1 assist;

4 ball recoveries p/90
 
This is Antonio Freeman's kid. I have seen some highlights and oh my is he an athlete

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https://x.com/RegaloJnr
Vuyo Regálo II

@RegaloJnr

Only a handful of games into the MLS season but there’s already a contender for the Breakout Player of the Year in Alex Freeman.

A 20 year old fullback; he’s relentless & his athleticism allows him to be effective both on & off the ball.

2 goals & 1 assist;

4 ball recoveries p/90
Whoa! This is the type of kid the "we need better athletes" community has been waiting for.

Any other US pro athletes kids making a run at the sport? (Besides the ones we know about... I'm thinking of the younger 20u crowd)
 
US U20's tied Japan 1-1 today.

I did not get to watch but from reading a bunch of reports it sounds like the US carried the play and were very unlucky not to win.

Niko Tsakaris and Kieren Fletcher were the two stand out US players today. Sounds like Brown did not have a great game though.
 
This is Antonio Freeman's kid. I have seen some highlights and oh my is he an athlete

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https://x.com/RegaloJnr
Vuyo Regálo II
@RegaloJnr

Only a handful of games into the MLS season but there’s already a contender for the Breakout Player of the Year in Alex Freeman.

A 20 year old fullback; he’s relentless & his athleticism allows him to be effective both on & off the ball.

2 goals & 1 assist;

4 ball recoveries p/90
he is a little raw but if you can picture a more athletic version of Tony Sanneh, that is a decent comp for now. Similar height and build. Freeman looks 2 steps faster though but not quite the technical skill level of Sanneh*


*Note that is me remembering Sanneh as a prime age player when I make the comparison. Sanneh was 25 in his first year in MLS (1996).
 
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until proven otherwise, we all agree Musah is now a sub?
I clearly see things differently than his coaches.

I think he is a decent pro when played in the middle. I think he can be a liability when played out wide.

But both his club and his national team coach see him as a wide player.

As a pure winger, he can’t be a starter on this team imo. He just does not have the skill set/confidence to be out there.
I agree. I have no idea what Conceicao or Poch are trying to do with him. As a midfielder focused solely on ball winning and moving from defense to attack, he's incredible. He's pretty much a Kante clone(of course no where near that level). Trying to use him as a winger or a RB like they've been doing is just weird to me. Put him opposite someone like Adams in midfield and you open up the ability to play a more attacking 10. He's not even backup level on this team as a winger IMO. We have so many better wing options.
 
I really hope Poch is flexible.

I just can’t see how he can watch these games on tape and assume he is going to keep putting Pulisic in a role where our best player is being reduced to the margins.
The biggest issue with Pulisic in the middle is we have no one scaring teams on the wings then. Pulisic getting the ball wide and being able to either break down the wing or dribble inside is the biggest weapon we have.

Pulisic in the center might work if we had other dangerous wingers to pull defenders, but when we're playing Musah at one wing and Weah at the wrong wing, then there's no reason for the defense to even worry about them.
 
I really hope Poch is flexible.

I just can’t see how he can watch these games on tape and assume he is going to keep putting Pulisic in a role where our best player is being reduced to the margins.
The biggest issue with Pulisic in the middle is we have no one scaring teams on the wings then. Pulisic getting the ball wide and being able to either break down the wing or dribble inside is the biggest weapon we have.

Pulisic in the center might work if we had other dangerous wingers to pull defenders, but when we're playing Musah at one wing and Weah at the wrong wing, then there's no reason for the defense to even worry about them.
Agreed.

And it is even more magnified when our defacto over lapping wings of Dest and Jedi are not available.
 
Saw this on Reddit. Here is a viable looking team from players who were not in the roster

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……………………..Horvath
Dest………Miles………..Trusty……….Jedi
………..Tillman…..Johnny…….P. Aaronson
…Zendejas……….Pepi………….Haji

Subs:
Freese, Zimmerman, Tolkin, Reynolds, Sands, Morris, LDLT, B Aaronson, Balogun
 
Saw this on Reddit. Here is a viable looking team from players who were not in the roster

==========

……………………..Horvath
Dest………Miles………..Trusty……….Jedi
………..Tillman…..Johnny…….P. Aaronson
…Zendejas……….Pepi………….Haji

Subs:
Freese, Zimmerman, Tolkin, Reynolds, Sands, Morris, LDLT, B Aaronson, Balogun
that team would've kicked the weekend's team ***.

the next 11 team would've kicked the weekend's team ***.
 
U.S. Soccer mourns the loss of former Secretary General Hank Steinbrecher. A towering figure in the development and popularization of soccer in the United States during the 1990s, Steinbrecher passed away Tuesday at the age of 77.
 
I have been reading the "talent vs trying" debate.

While I have lamented at times that the current group's effort and energy level could be better, I never really considered them to be dogs either.

Some one today posted this lineup from the 2014 World Cup

..............................Howard

Fab..................Omar.............Besler.............DMB

..........................Jones..........Beckerman

Zusi............................Bradley............................Davis

..............................Dempsey



Look at how weak this looks from a club perspective compared to what we have today. This is with DMB on literally his last legs because we could not find any one else to even pretend to be a LB, along with MLS/Liga MX lifers in Besler, Zusi, Davis, Beckerman, and Omar.

It does make you wonder how a team like this one in 2014 appeared more competitive than our current group.........
 
I have been reading the "talent vs trying" debate.

While I have lamented at times that the current group's effort and energy level could be better, I never really considered them to be dogs either.

Some one today posted this lineup from the 2014 World Cup

..............................Howard

Fab..................Omar.............Besler.............DMB

..........................Jones..........Beckerman

Zusi............................Bradley............................Davis

..............................Dempsey



Look at how weak this looks from a club perspective compared to what we have today. This is with DMB on literally his last legs because we could not find any one else to even pretend to be a LB, along with MLS/Liga MX lifers in Besler, Zusi, Davis, Beckerman, and Omar.

It does make you wonder how a team like this one in 2014 appeared more competitive than our current group.........
One thing the US had when they were not considered the most "talented" group was their fight. They were always known to be the hardest working and the fittest. They were just going to outlast and out work anyone they played. 2014, 2002, 1994 all had that. It got them far.

Unfortunately I think a lot of the world has caught up to the fitness side while the US struggles to match the elite talent side. And at times the US seems to have lost some of that fight/outwork you mentality, esp against teams they should beat. As our talent increases, the US needs to not rely on that alone. They need to remember to fight and outwork everyone, not just Mexico or the WC favorites. But the Panamas, T&Ts, Icelands too.
 
I have been reading the "talent vs trying" debate.

While I have lamented at times that the current group's effort and energy level could be better, I never really considered them to be dogs either.

Some one today posted this lineup from the 2014 World Cup

..............................Howard

Fab..................Omar.............Besler.............DMB

..........................Jones..........Beckerman

Zusi............................Bradley............................Davis

..............................Dempsey



Look at how weak this looks from a club perspective compared to what we have today. This is with DMB on literally his last legs because we could not find any one else to even pretend to be a LB, along with MLS/Liga MX lifers in Besler, Zusi, Davis, Beckerman, and Omar.

It does make you wonder how a team like this one in 2014 appeared more competitive than our current group.........
One thing the US had when they were not considered the most "talented" group was their fight. They were always known to be the hardest working and the fittest. They were just going to outlast and out work anyone they played. 2014, 2002, 1994 all had that. It got them far.

Unfortunately I think a lot of the world has caught up to the fitness side while the US struggles to match the elite talent side. And at times the US seems to have lost some of that fight/outwork you mentality, esp against teams they should beat. As our talent increases, the US needs to not rely on that alone. They need to remember to fight and outwork everyone, not just Mexico or the WC favorites. But the Panamas, T&Ts, Icelands too.
Along with fight and guts, they always had a clearly organized defense and approach to the offense.

These last two games I saw none of anything I just wrote... all of which is troubling, from a personnel and managerial standpoint.
 
I have been reading the "talent vs trying" debate.

While I have lamented at times that the current group's effort and energy level could be better, I never really considered them to be dogs either.

Some one today posted this lineup from the 2014 World Cup

..............................Howard

Fab..................Omar.............Besler.............DMB

..........................Jones..........Beckerman

Zusi............................Bradley............................Davis

..............................Dempsey



Look at how weak this looks from a club perspective compared to what we have today. This is with DMB on literally his last legs because we could not find any one else to even pretend to be a LB, along with MLS/Liga MX lifers in Besler, Zusi, Davis, Beckerman, and Omar.

It does make you wonder how a team like this one in 2014 appeared more competitive than our current group.........

Boot it and chase has always been an effective strategy from the little kids to the pros. Leicester won an EPL title with it. Our decline in results aligns perfectly with US soccer mandate to build out of the back.
 
The old guard is certainly letting their feelings be known............

================

Dempsey:

“You had some of them saying, ‘Hey, (Clint), get ‘em right. Say something,’” Dempsey said. “And I’m like ‘Hey! Y’all let them know. Let them know what’s going on. They need to fight for y’all.’”

“During my career, the biggest blow that there was was not qualifying for the World Cup in 2018,” Dempsey said. “And you think — sometimes you have to take a step back to take two steps forward. And people talked about this team being the ‘golden generation.’ … You look at the step back. Copa América, not getting out of the group there on home soil. Here tonight, in an important game as we get closer to the World Cup, another failure. It doesn’t give you a lot of hope. You have more fans here for Mexico right now than the U.S.”

“I’m a little nervous,” said Dempsey. “And I’m worried about the future of this U.S. men’s national team.”


Donovan:
“I’m so sick of hearing how ‘talented’ this group of players is and all of the amazing clubs they play for,” Donovan wrote on X. “If you aren’t going to show up and actually give a s!%* about playing for your national team, decline the invite. Talent is great, pride is better.”

“You’re probably more objective about stuff like this,” Donovan told The Athletic, “but I was just so viscerally upset after that game. I’m just getting tired of watching all of this s**t.”

“Those are the only ones that stick out to me, (Luna and Pulisic)” continued Donovan. “There were just too many guys out there who were just going through the motions. When I watch games, sometimes it’s difficult to accurately judge someone’s ‘desire.’ But you also just see what your eyes tell you. It was obvious in these games who cared.”

“People used to hate playing against us,” Donovan said. “Even when we lost. We’d get beat 2-0 and you could tell the other team was still like ‘f***, this game is going to be a f***ing nightmare.’ Occasionally, though, we’d have a poor effort. And Bruce would say ‘Guys, a coach shouldn’t have to coach effort. That’s not my job.’

“Back then I thought that was ridiculous,” Donovan continued. “But now I think about it and realize he was spot on. The last thing Mauricio Pochettino should have to worry about is whether these guys are going to leave it all on the field or not. Leaving it all on the field — that’s been a hallmark of the American player since the mid-80s. If we lose that, we are in big, big trouble.”

“When you are proud, you are not going to let two games like that just slip by without trying to do something about it,” he added. “I would’ve been embarrassed on the field after that game against Panama. I sure as hell wouldn’t have gone into the Canada game and played that poorly. I would have been too embarrassed.”

“We would not have let Canada or Panama beat us without it being an absolute bloodbath,” Donovan said. “I used to hate going into training camps, because I got the **** kicked out of me. The competition was real. We had real players who cared about the result and were always, without exception, willing to put themselves on the line to get a result. I can’t talk about who was more skilled or talented, but we were always responsible for the result.

“Right now,” he concluded, “of course I’d take those teams over this current one.”

Ramos:

“When I hear the players do interviews after the games, every single one of them says, ‘We need to have a stronger mentality. We need to work harder, tackle more,’” Ramos told The Athletic. “Here’s the thing: this isn’t the first time we’ve heard this. I think the fact that Pulisic, (Tyler) Adams, (Weston) McKennie, all of the important guys are saying ‘We need to get stuck in, we need to work harder.’ Well yeah, of course. But you need to stop talking about it. You need to start doing it.”

“If you were to ask any player in the world, people would say, ‘The American guys aren’t technical enough, this isn’t their game,’” Ramos said. “But at the end of the day they knew they had to play hard to beat you. Because they knew we’d fight to the end. I’m sure Pochettino was shocked. I’m sure he thought that with a full-strength squad, he probably took it for granted a little bit that his players would outwork the other team. He must have been shocked when he saw that wasn’t true.”

“A ‘golden generation?’” Ramos said. “Are you kidding me? At this point I feel like I came from the golden generation. After seeing all of this? My generation was probably the golden generation. We took the U.S. to a World Cup after hopping fences to play in playgrounds and getting paid $400 a game to play for the Brooklyn Italians to prepare for the national team. If that’s not golden, I don’t know what is. We have just lost the essence of who we are as a soccer country.”

“We were hoping for so much more,” he said. “We were hoping that soccer would get closer to the NFL, to everything else. And here we are 30 years later, and it still hasn’t happened. I’m disappointed. This is the year where everything should be clicking, everybody should be excited about the national team and how well Pulisic is doing at Milan and how McKennie is doing at Juventus and how Adams is a leader at Bournemouth. “And guess what? People don’t even go to the games. People don’t want to see it.”
 

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