Vegas just isn’t fun anymore…. (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

We went last year. Stayed downtown for one night, on the strip for 3 nights and back downtown for the final night. I found downtown to be way more fun. It felt like Vegas where the place on the strip we stayed at (Pak MGM) felt like a mall. Loved those little places downtown, terrible smell and all. The vibe downtown was more of a party and people seemed to be enjoying themselves more there.

Thanks. Where did you like to stay downtown?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

And while I’m at it, the cigarette smoke is utterly DISGUSTING

No doubt. I don’t know why, but I guess I thought casinos had banned it for some reason. But man, it’s so bad

Some do. And some hotels do. It's a super interesting decision for businesses I think.

I think the only one is the park mgm

Vdara hotel is all no smoking. And no casino. But 100 yards from Aria.

I was speaking to the casinos. There was no smoking at the Marriott I stayed in last time, no casino either.

 

[Osaurus]

Joe, if you like Vdara, Circa downtown is a newer, better version of it imo with a casino downstairs. I’m waiting to head back to Vdara after their remodeling is done.

 

[Willie Neslon]

We went last year. Stayed downtown for one night, on the strip for 3 nights and back downtown for the final night. I found downtown to be way more fun. It felt like Vegas where the place on the strip we stayed at (Pak MGM) felt like a mall. Loved those little places downtown, terrible smell and all. The vibe downtown was more of a party and people seemed to be enjoying themselves more there.

Thanks. Where did you like to stay downtown?

I only stayed there this last time and it was at The Plaza. We didn't spend any time there except to sleep. We chose The Plaza because it was right next to Circa and it was dirt cheap, especially for week 1 of the NFL season. Plaza room was like $50 bucks for those nights where Circa's were something like $500- $600. The room at The Plaza was fine I guess but nothing special. It was clean and did the job.

 

[Peggy]

You can still get $5 and even some $2 a hand table games if that's what you want to play, you just have to play the stadium seating/video/bubbles. You probably walked right past them and didn't know what they were.

They suck.

$5 doesn't go as far as it used to decades ago.

 

[Gally]

The thing that baffles me about the table limits is that you will see table after table at $25 (or higher) min with nobody at them. If you are lucky you can find a $10 table and they are 2 or 3 people deep waiting to play. Why wouldn't they change a few of the $25 tables to $10 to increase the players. They are staffed already with dealers so why not lower it to get those people playing rather than standing and waiting to gamble. Makes no sense to me.

 

[massraider]

Thanks. Where did you like to stay downtown?

The Golden Nugget, inside, looks like a W. It's great.

 

[Todem]

You can still get $5 and even some $2 a hand table games if that's what you want to play, you just have to play the stadium seating/video/bubbles. You probably walked right past them and didn't know what they were.

They suck.

$5 doesn't go as far as it used to decades ago.

Ain't that the truth

 

[FreeBaGeL]

What's craps at a b tier strip place like mirage like on a weekend

I was just there. $15 mins for mirage on the weekend for both craps and blackjack.

Honestly it was less than I expected. Even 10 years ago $10 tables on the strip were few and far between and the a-tier places like Caesars, aria etc never dropped below $25.

 

[Major]

The thing that baffles me about the table limits is that you will see table after table at $25 (or higher) min with nobody at them. If you are lucky you can find a $10 table and they are 2 or 3 people deep waiting to play. Why wouldn't they change a few of the $25 tables to $10 to increase the players. They are staffed already with dealers so why not lower it to get those people playing rather than standing and waiting to gamble. Makes no sense to me.

The chance of losing your bankroll is much greater with higher mins. They know what they're doing. Most casinos on the strip don't care to cater to the nickel and dimers.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The thing that baffles me about the table limits is that you will see table after table at $25 (or higher) min with nobody at them. If you are lucky you can find a $10 table and they are 2 or 3 people deep waiting to play. Why wouldn't they change a few of the $25 tables to $10 to increase the players. They are staffed already with dealers so why not lower it to get those people playing rather than standing and waiting to gamble. Makes no sense to me.

The chance of losing your bankroll is much greater with higher mins. They know what they're doing. Most casinos on the strip don't care to cater to the nickel and dimers.

Yea I was gonna say, I guarantee you they've put countless money/effort into figuring out how to arrange the table limits to maximize revenue. They're not just doing it willy nilly.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I miss the days when you actually had to put the silver dollars in the slot machines. Those heavy coins made that sweet sound when they came spewing out into the tray. Then you had to load them into those little plastic buckets and carry them to the cashier to be counted. You never quite knew how much you had until the coin counter let you know. I remember usually being pleasantly surprised by the final tally. Then they'd count those big bills on to your dirty black fingers. All the players looked like car mechanics with those dirty hands. Now, they have those 1 cent video machines that cost like $10.80 per spin. Taking that paper ticket to the cage just doesn't hit like carrying 35 pounds worth of coins did.

 

[ghostguy123]

I was at the casino in Cleveland not too long ago. I don't recall seeing any table mins less than 25. Couldn't believe it

 

[Willie Neslon]

Wish I was there today.

https://twitter.com/CircaSports/status/1770867851047624817

 

[Gally]

The thing that baffles me about the table limits is that you will see table after table at $25 (or higher) min with nobody at them. If you are lucky you can find a $10 table and they are 2 or 3 people deep waiting to play. Why wouldn't they change a few of the $25 tables to $10 to increase the players. They are staffed already with dealers so why not lower it to get those people playing rather than standing and waiting to gamble. Makes no sense to me.

The chance of losing your bankroll is much greater with higher mins. They know what they're doing. Most casinos on the strip don't care to cater to the nickel and dimers.

Yea I was gonna say, I guarantee you they've put countless money/effort into figuring out how to arrange the table limits to maximize revenue. They're not just doing it willy nilly.

I have no doubt they studied it. It just surprises me they would rather have 3 deep standing and waiting to play while having 10 other tables with nobody playing on them. It just seems like there ought to be a time frame where they can switch over if they aren't getting play at 10 tables and only the $10 are getting action.

 

[ghostguy123]

The thing that baffles me about the table limits is that you will see table after table at $25 (or higher) min with nobody at them. If you are lucky you can find a $10 table and they are 2 or 3 people deep waiting to play. Why wouldn't they change a few of the $25 tables to $10 to increase the players. They are staffed already with dealers so why not lower it to get those people playing rather than standing and waiting to gamble. Makes no sense to me.

The chance of losing your bankroll is much greater with higher mins. They know what they're doing. Most casinos on the strip don't care to cater to the nickel and dimers.

Yea I was gonna say, I guarantee you they've put countless money/effort into figuring out how to arrange the table limits to maximize revenue. They're not just doing it willy nilly.

I have no doubt they studied it. It just surprises me they would rather have 3 deep standing and waiting to play while having 10 other tables with nobody playing on them. It just seems like there ought to be a time frame where they can switch over if they aren't getting play at 10 tables and only the $10 are getting action.

If people knew they did that, they would just wait

 

[BrutalPenguin]

The thing that baffles me about the table limits is that you will see table after table at $25 (or higher) min with nobody at them. If you are lucky you can find a $10 table and they are 2 or 3 people deep waiting to play. Why wouldn't they change a few of the $25 tables to $10 to increase the players. They are staffed already with dealers so why not lower it to get those people playing rather than standing and waiting to gamble. Makes no sense to me.

The chance of losing your bankroll is much greater with higher mins. They know what they're doing. Most casinos on the strip don't care to cater to the nickel and dimers.

Yea I was gonna say, I guarantee you they've put countless money/effort into figuring out how to arrange the table limits to maximize revenue. They're not just doing it willy nilly.

I have no doubt they studied it. It just surprises me they would rather have 3 deep standing and waiting to play while having 10 other tables with nobody playing on them. It just seems like there ought to be a time frame where they can switch over if they aren't getting play at 10 tables and only the $10 are getting action.

Maybe they're hoping if you can't play blackjack, you’ll go play something with worse odds, like triple zero roulette.

 

[massraider]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I miss the days when you actually had to put the silver dollars in the slot machines. Those heavy coins made that sweet sound when they came spewing out into the tray. Then you had to load them into those little plastic buckets and carry them to the cashier to be counted. You never quite knew how much you had until the coin counter let you know. I remember usually being pleasantly surprised by the final tally. Then they'd count those big bills on to your dirty black fingers. All the players looked like car mechanics with those dirty hands. Now, they have those 1 cent video machines that cost like $10.80 per spin. Taking that paper ticket to the cage just doesn't hit like carrying 35 pounds worth of coins did.

I hear ya, son

Shoot, I miss the days when you had to put wooden nickels in those one armed bandits. They used to pour into my hands, all gentle-like. I'd gather them all in my granpappy's birch basket, and get them weighed up at the cashier/post office/town clerk's desk. Find out how much corn meal, charcoal, and tobacco I was able to take home. Surrounded by desperados, who looked like they been out mendin' fences, or some such. Just ain't the same these days.

 

[FairWarning]

We went last year. Stayed downtown for one night, on the strip for 3 nights and back downtown for the final night. I found downtown to be way more fun. It felt like Vegas where the place on the strip we stayed at (Pak MGM) felt like a mall. Loved those little places downtown, terrible smell and all. The vibe downtown was more of a party and people seemed to be enjoying themselves more there.

Thanks. Where did you like to stay downtown?

I like Golden Nugget, haven’t been there since Circa came in.

 

[FairWarning]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I miss the days when you actually had to put the silver dollars in the slot machines. Those heavy coins made that sweet sound when they came spewing out into the tray. Then you had to load them into those little plastic buckets and carry them to the cashier to be counted. You never quite knew how much you had until the coin counter let you know. I remember usually being pleasantly surprised by the final tally. Then they'd count those big bills on to your dirty black fingers. All the players looked like car mechanics with those dirty hands. Now, they have those 1 cent video machines that cost like $10.80 per spin. Taking that paper ticket to the cage just doesn't hit like carrying 35 pounds worth of coins did.

I think El Cortez on Fremont St still has some of those machines. The sound is sweet, very distinctive.

 

[Peggy]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I miss the days when you actually had to put the silver dollars in the slot machines. Those heavy coins made that sweet sound when they came spewing out into the tray. Then you had to load them into those little plastic buckets and carry them to the cashier to be counted. You never quite knew how much you had until the coin counter let you know. I remember usually being pleasantly surprised by the final tally. Then they'd count those big bills on to your dirty black fingers. All the players looked like car mechanics with those dirty hands. Now, they have those 1 cent video machines that cost like $10.80 per spin. Taking that paper ticket to the cage just doesn't hit like carrying 35 pounds worth of coins did.

The biggest con they have is people not cashing their tickets. You have to go off strip to find “atms” that will give you change back. Nobody waits at the cage to get less than a dollar.

Then they make it so you can’t cash a NYNY ticket at MGM even though they are owned by the same people and right across the street.

Millions and millions from uncashed tickets.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I miss the days when you actually had to put the silver dollars in the slot machines. Those heavy coins made that sweet sound when they came spewing out into the tray. Then you had to load them into those little plastic buckets and carry them to the cashier to be counted. You never quite knew how much you had until the coin counter let you know. I remember usually being pleasantly surprised by the final tally. Then they'd count those big bills on to your dirty black fingers. All the players looked like car mechanics with those dirty hands. Now, they have those 1 cent video machines that cost like $10.80 per spin. Taking that paper ticket to the cage just doesn't hit like carrying 35 pounds worth of coins did.

I hear ya, son

Shoot, I miss the days when you had to put wooden nickels in those one armed bandits. They used to pour into my hands, all gentle-like. I'd gather them all in my granpappy's birch basket, and get them weighed up at the cashier/post office/town clerk's desk. Find out how much corn meal, charcoal, and tobacco I was able to take home. Surrounded by desperados, who looked like they been out mendin' fences, or some such. Just ain't the same these days.

Wooden nickels? How the **** old are you??

 

[dickey moe]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I miss the days when you actually had to put the silver dollars in the slot machines. Those heavy coins made that sweet sound when they came spewing out into the tray. Then you had to load them into those little plastic buckets and carry them to the cashier to be counted. You never quite knew how much you had until the coin counter let you know. I remember usually being pleasantly surprised by the final tally. Then they'd count those big bills on to your dirty black fingers. All the players looked like car mechanics with those dirty hands. Now, they have those 1 cent video machines that cost like $10.80 per spin. Taking that paper ticket to the cage just doesn't hit like carrying 35 pounds worth of coins did.

I hear ya, son

Shoot, I miss the days when you had to put wooden nickels in those one armed bandits. They used to pour into my hands, all gentle-like. I'd gather them all in my granpappy's birch basket, and get them weighed up at the cashier/post office/town clerk's desk. Find out how much corn meal, charcoal, and tobacco I was able to take home. Surrounded by desperados, who looked like they been out mendin' fences, or some such. Just ain't the same these days.

Wooden nickels? How the **** old are you??

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[$tanley Cup]

I disagree. I know old vegas and although it’s poetic and real, it was a desert mirage. MGM and others killed the strip, but people will still bet the reduced odds there instead of going to downtown or to the desert..

Shows and food are why you go to the strip, but staying there is for suckers.

 

[dkp993]

but staying there is for suckers.

Or for people who are here for work?

 

[$tanley Cup]

but staying there is for suckers.

Or for people who are here for work?

Per diem is exactly the right way.

 

[FairWarning]

I disagree. I know old vegas and although it’s poetic and real, it was a desert mirage. MGM and others killed the strip, but people will still bet the reduced odds there instead of going to downtown or to the desert..

Shows and food are why you go to the strip, but staying there is for suckers.

There is very little 3:2 blackjack anymore. People accept the 6:5, so why should the house change? Same applies to the third green on roulette. I won’t play either. I’m definitely in the minority though.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The thing that baffles me about the table limits is that you will see table after table at $25 (or higher) min with nobody at them. If you are lucky you can find a $10 table and they are 2 or 3 people deep waiting to play. Why wouldn't they change a few of the $25 tables to $10 to increase the players. They are staffed already with dealers so why not lower it to get those people playing rather than standing and waiting to gamble. Makes no sense to me.

The chance of losing your bankroll is much greater with higher mins. They know what they're doing. Most casinos on the strip don't care to cater to the nickel and dimers.

Yea I was gonna say, I guarantee you they've put countless money/effort into figuring out how to arrange the table limits to maximize revenue. They're not just doing it willy nilly.

I have no doubt they studied it. It just surprises me they would rather have 3 deep standing and waiting to play while having 10 other tables with nobody playing on them. It just seems like there ought to be a time frame where they can switch over if they aren't getting play at 10 tables and only the $10 are getting action.

Maybe they're hoping if you can't play blackjack, you’ll go play something with worse odds, like triple zero roulette.

Yep. People in this thread know what triple-zero roulette is and why it's a sucker game. The median Vegas tourist just sees a roulette wheel. The casinos know what they're doing, and we can infer that they looked at the market and decided that it isn't in their best interests to cater to people low-stakes, sharp gamblers. I really don't see why that's surprising.

Same thing as "I can't believe they won't let me sit in the sports book and watch the games for free." Yeah, no kidding. They noticed that people enjoy doing that, and they monetized it. I see why that sucks, but its the easiest thing in the world to understand.

 

[rockaction]

Yep. People in this thread know what triple-zero roulette is and why it's a sucker game. The median Vegas tourist just sees a roulette wheel. The casinos know what they're doing, and we can infer that they looked at the market and decided that it isn't in their best interests to cater to people low-stakes, sharp gamblers. I really don't see why that's surprising.

The proliferation at casinos of the NEW HOT FUN SPANISH 21! was stunning to me until I realized that there were people playing it. Spanish 21 is blackjack in spirit only they take the face cards and tens out of the deck FOR EXTRA FUN NOW WITH SIDE ODDS!

"This is why we have the country we have at this point in time," I thought in a fit of what was an absolutely unprompted-yet-honest politically-loaded moment. I then kept walking around the tables, where the minimums were $25. I realized then that even the Native American casinos that were once relatively cheap had jumped the profit maximization shark.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Yep. People in this thread know what triple-zero roulette is and why it's a sucker game. The median Vegas tourist just sees a roulette wheel. The casinos know what they're doing, and we can infer that they looked at the market and decided that it isn't in their best interests to cater to people low-stakes, sharp gamblers. I really don't see why that's surprising.

The proliferation at casinos of the NEW HOT FUN SPANISH 21! was stunning to me until I realized that there were people playing it. Spanish 21 is blackjack in spirit only they take the face cards out of the deck FOR EXTRA FUN NOW WITH SIDE ODDS!

"This is why we have the country we have at this point in time," I thought in a fit of what was an absolutely unprompted-yet-honest politically-loaded moment. I then kept walking around the tables, where the minimums were $25. I realized then that even the Native American casinos that were once relatively cheap had jumped the profit maximization shark.

Now reflect for a moment on the fact that Bugsy Siegel and other members of the mafia thought that games like Spanish 21 were too predatory to offer in their establishments.

 

[Don Quixote]

Am I the only one here who didn’t care at all for it?
I get that it can be fun, but there’s a lot of other areas more fun. IMO.

I never cared for it either. I don’t gamble, and don’t really like the crowds and prefer a quieter vibe. After I went, I remember telling my wife that my favorite parts were a tour we did of the Hoover Dam and reading by the pool with a book. But lots of better places that I can read by a pool with a book.

 

[AAABatteries]

Am I the only one here who didn’t care at all for it?
I get that it can be fun, but there’s a lot of other areas more fun. IMO.

I never cared for it either. I don’t gamble, and don’t really like the crowds and prefer a quieter vibe. After I went, I remember telling my wife that my favorite parts were a tour we did of the Hoover Dam and reading by the pool with a book. But lots of better places that I can read by a pool with a book.

I'm heading there Monday for a conference - I'd rather the conference be in just about any other city in the US.

 

[rockaction]

Now reflect for a moment on the fact that Bugsy Siegel and other members of the mafia thought that games like Spanish 21 were too predatory to offer in their establishments.

I'm laughing in emoji form like massraider, but I'm also a little bit chilled thinking about its implications.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Yep. People in this thread know what triple-zero roulette is and why it's a sucker game. The median Vegas tourist just sees a roulette wheel. The casinos know what they're doing, and we can infer that they looked at the market and decided that it isn't in their best interests to cater to people low-stakes, sharp gamblers. I really don't see why that's surprising.

The proliferation at casinos of the NEW HOT FUN SPANISH 21! was stunning to me until I realized that there were people playing it. Spanish 21 is blackjack in spirit only they take the face cards out of the deck FOR EXTRA FUN NOW WITH SIDE ODDS!

"This is why we have the country we have at this point in time," I thought in a fit of what was an absolutely unprompted-yet-honest politically-loaded moment. I then kept walking around the tables, where the minimums were $25. I realized then that even the Native American casinos that were once relatively cheap had jumped the profit maximization shark.

Now reflect for a moment on the fact that Bugsy Siegel and other members of the mafia thought that games like Spanish 21 were too predatory to offer in their establishments.

Vegas was better when the mafia ran it. Mafia wanted profits but not to the level of corporations. Mafia also had to be more careful so it didn't ruin their other business interests.

 

[Zow]

Am I the only one here who didn’t care at all for it?
I get that it can be fun, but there’s a lot of other areas more fun. IMO.

I never cared for it either. I don’t gamble, and don’t really like the crowds and prefer a quieter vibe. After I went, I remember telling my wife that my favorite parts were a tour we did of the Hoover Dam and reading by the pool with a book. But lots of better places that I can read by a pool with a book.

I'm heading there Monday for a conference - I'd rather the conference be in just about any other city in the US.

Oh come on. Any other city? At the very least the weather in Vegas will be great and the food will be good.

 

[ericttspikes]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I miss the days when you actually had to put the silver dollars in the slot machines. Those heavy coins made that sweet sound when they came spewing out into the tray. Then you had to load them into those little plastic buckets and carry them to the cashier to be counted. You never quite knew how much you had until the coin counter let you know. I remember usually being pleasantly surprised by the final tally. Then they'd count those big bills on to your dirty black fingers. All the players looked like car mechanics with those dirty hands. Now, they have those 1 cent video machines that cost like $10.80 per spin. Taking that paper ticket to the cage just doesn't hit like carrying 35 pounds worth of coins did.

Miss that too. Gave me the fever hearing all the coins dropping, alarms and lights going off. Was fun. Now the casinos look like Dave & Busters with everyone playing video games. Went two weeks ago with my wife and had no desire to gamble. Just did shows and dinners. Had fun.

 

[guru_007]

FWIW - those complaining about table limits - you can definitely find lower table limits if you look around. Maybe not pai gow, but roulette and black jack and craps for sure. But, the payouts are not going to be optimal.
But let's face it, if you are looking for a $5 black jack table, the difference on 6/5 vs 3/2 on black jack is really not going to be a bankroll buster or builder difference. You can find $1 black jack tables as well (OYO, aka Hooters) but they only play even money on black jack. I'm not advocating that 6/5 black jack should be acceptable, and I would never play triple zero roulette no matter how much I've been drinking, but just mentioning that these tables are pretty abundant if you look.
Lower limit tables can be found at Planet Hollywood, Horseshoe (old Ballys, soon to become part of Paris), Harrahs, the Linq just to name a few. Freemont of course has more options, and Circa is great, imho.
Also, you can play the multiplayer options at lower limits on Baccarat, Roulette, Craps and Blackjack - however player points are not accumulated on those machines if you are looking for comps. You can get free drinks though.

The strip has definitely gotten worse over the years for sure. I mentioned in the Vegas thread I'll probably not go there again as there are other options closer to me, more affordable and the shows and food are not a big enough draw for me to justify the cost to travel there. And the resort fees

 

[FairWarning]

FWIW - those complaining about table limits - you can definitely find lower table limits if you look around. Maybe not pai gow, but roulette and black jack and craps for sure. But, the payouts are not going to be optimal.
But let's face it, if you are looking for a $5 black jack table, the difference on 6/5 vs 3/2 on black jack is really not going to be a bankroll buster or builder difference. You can find $1 black jack tables as well (OYO, aka Hooters) but they only play even money on black jack. I'm not advocating that 6/5 black jack should be acceptable, and I would never play triple zero roulette no matter how much I've been drinking, but just mentioning that these tables are pretty abundant if you look.
Lower limit tables can be found at Planet Hollywood, Horseshoe (old Ballys, soon to become part of Paris), Harrahs, the Linq just to name a few. Freemont of course has more options, and Circa is great, imho.
Also, you can play the multiplayer options at lower limits on Baccarat, Roulette, Craps and Blackjack - however player points are not accumulated on those machines if you are looking for comps. You can get free drinks though.

The strip has definitely gotten worse over the years for sure. I mentioned in the Vegas thread I'll probably not go there again as there are other options closer to me, more affordable and the shows and food are not a big enough draw for me to justify the cost to travel there. And the resort fees

The resort fees are the worst. At least if someone is paying to sit in the sportsbook, they are using it.

 

[massraider]

Oh come on. Any other city? At the very least the weather in Vegas will be great and the food will be good.

Vegas is not for everyone.

And if it's not for someone, it might seem like the worst place on earth.

 

[FairWarning]

People watching is free, and it is highly entertaining in Vegas.

 

[Drunken knight]

Oh come on. Any other city? At the very least the weather in Vegas will be great and the food will be good.

Vegas is not for everyone.

And if it's not for someone, it might seem like the worst place on earth.

mrs. hated it. as more spouses started to come out on our trips, i kept asking her to join. i am not a huge gambler (happy to kill a little time doing it), but like going for pools, restaurants, and shows (didn't do those on the guys trips).

she finally decided to come out one year and had a very good time. it's still not her top spot, but she's now willing to go as it is quick and easy for us.

 

[massraider]

mrs. hated it. as more spouses started to come out on our trips, i kept asking her to join. i am not a huge gambler (happy to kill a little time doing it), but like going for pools, restaurants, and shows (didn't do those on the guys trips).

she finally decided to come out one year and had a very good time. it's still not her top spot, but she's now willing to go as it is quick and easy for us.

Spouse hating Vegas is a good sign, IMO.

After living there a year, my belief is that if your fiance thinks a bachelorette party in Vegas sounds good, immediately call off the wedding, and maybe gets yourself tested.

To your point, my party days are behind me, so that Vegas doesn't appeal to me, and gambling/golf isn't either, but using a show/concert as an excuse to go out for two days or so with the significant other is pretty cool, you can do it really mellow, hang by the pool all day, hit the spa, go to the show, and really not even deal with any of the crazy.

 

[Desert_Power]

The thing that baffles me about the table limits is that you will see table after table at $25 (or higher) min with nobody at them. If you are lucky you can find a $10 table and they are 2 or 3 people deep waiting to play. Why wouldn't they change a few of the $25 tables to $10 to increase the players. They are staffed already with dealers so why not lower it to get those people playing rather than standing and waiting to gamble. Makes no sense to me.

The chance of losing your bankroll is much greater with higher mins. They know what they're doing. Most casinos on the strip don't care to cater to the nickel and dimers.

Yea I was gonna say, I guarantee you they've put countless money/effort into figuring out how to arrange the table limits to maximize revenue. They're not just doing it willy nilly.

I have no doubt they studied it. It just surprises me they would rather have 3 deep standing and waiting to play while having 10 other tables with nobody playing on them. It just seems like there ought to be a time frame where they can switch over if they aren't getting play at 10 tables and only the $10 are getting action.

Maybe they're hoping if you can't play blackjack, you’ll go play something with worse odds, like triple zero roulette.

Yep. People in this thread know what triple-zero roulette is and why it's a sucker game. The median Vegas tourist just sees a roulette wheel. The casinos know what they're doing, and we can infer that they looked at the market and decided that it isn't in their best interests to cater to people low-stakes, sharp gamblers. I really don't see why that's surprising.

Same thing as "I can't believe they won't let me sit in the sports book and watch the games for free." Yeah, no kidding. They noticed that people enjoy doing that, and they monetized it. I see why that sucks, but its the easiest thing in the world to understand.

Yeah. Personally, I still pay for this stuff a bit just because there is nothing wrong with earmarking some money to lose there.

 

[Osaurus]

People watching is free, and it is highly entertaining in Vegas.

One of my favorite pastimes tbh. Such a fascinating cross-section of American culture.

 

[Todem]

What's craps at a b tier strip place like mirage like on a weekend

I was just there. $15 mins for mirage on the weekend for both craps and blackjack.

Honestly it was less than I expected. Even 10 years ago $10 tables on the strip were few and far between and the a-tier places like Caesars, aria etc never dropped below $25.

In 2015 I played $10 craps at Caesars and Aria. It absolutely was there.

You can find $15 during the day during the week.....$10 are long gone post covid.

 

[AAABatteries]

Am I the only one here who didn’t care at all for it?
I get that it can be fun, but there’s a lot of other areas more fun. IMO.

I never cared for it either. I don’t gamble, and don’t really like the crowds and prefer a quieter vibe. After I went, I remember telling my wife that my favorite parts were a tour we did of the Hoover Dam and reading by the pool with a book. But lots of better places that I can read by a pool with a book.

I'm heading there Monday for a conference - I'd rather the conference be in just about any other city in the US.

Oh come on. Any other city? At the very least the weather in Vegas will be great and the food will be good.

I meant to type any other major city - I just don’t care for Vegas, especially without family going.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Am I the only one here who didn’t care at all for it?
I get that it can be fun, but there’s a lot of other areas more fun. IMO.

I never cared for it either. I don’t gamble, and don’t really like the crowds and prefer a quieter vibe. After I went, I remember telling my wife that my favorite parts were a tour we did of the Hoover Dam and reading by the pool with a book. But lots of better places that I can read by a pool with a book.

I'm heading there Monday for a conference - I'd rather the conference be in just about any other city in the US.

Depending on your free time and desire to drive, there are good places to hike right outside the city. Or spend a few extra days, and check out a NP.

What are your favorite places to visit for a short conference?

 

[Major]

Now reflect for a moment on the fact that Bugsy Siegel and other members of the mafia thought that games like Spanish 21 were too predatory to offer in their establishments.

I didn't know how good I had it in Europe with single 0 roulette. It's been a minute since I gambled there but I wonder if things have changed across the pond as well.

 

[Buckna]

One of the few downsides of an unprecedented economy that keeps chugging along (outside of the COVID hiccup.) In the bigger Vegas thread, we were lamenting the dwindling/eventual loss of $5, $10 & even $15 tables five years ago. Everyone remembering the good old days of super cheap Vegas aren't thinking about how Vegas was on the verge of major collapse after the financial crisis and limping along for years. MGM had to majorly dilute their stock, and Harrahs/Caesars declared bankruptcy in 2015. We were on the extreme end when Vegas was a super cheap value a decade ago because casinos were falling all over themselves trying to get people in the door. Now its the opposite extreme where the Wealth Effect is in full display these past few years, people with tons of stock market or home equity out there blowing $$$ like crazy and therefore the prices have gone up, up, and away.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

What's craps at a b tier strip place like mirage like on a weekend

I was just there. $15 mins for mirage on the weekend for both craps and blackjack.

Honestly it was less than I expected. Even 10 years ago $10 tables on the strip were few and far between and the a-tier places like Caesars, aria etc never dropped below $25.

In 2015 I played $10 craps at Caesars and Aria. It absolutely was there.

You can find $15 during the day during the week.....$10 are long gone post covid.

I just played $10 craps at Harrahs two months ago on a sunday afternoon, do you mean gone at higher end places?