Vikes will crash and burn with or without Favre (1 Viewer)

[Clifford]

Sure, this is an off-the-cuff wild-hair prediction, but anyone who was on the Denver-Bengals thread knows my awesome powers of psychic prognostication (joke)

But I do think that things can't continue as they are without that team suffering mightily.

People will be quick to point out that all this drama didn't keep them out of the NFC Championship game last year. But this year and last year are different, simply because there was a last year.

Last year was courtship, engagement, and the honeymoon. It was all upside, all enthusiasm, all relief at having the yoke of Tarvaris Jackson's complete ineffectiveness lifted from the team's shoulders.

This year is the marriage, and as anyone who is married knows, those are two different worlds.

When you listen to Viking players talk about this you can see it in their eyes and hear it in their voices. JA started off light-hearted about it, but as the weeks progressed and still no Favre, you could see it bothering him more and more.

A team needs a leader just like a kid needs a father. That Father figure is supposed to be Childress, but by pursuing Favre how he has he can no longer be that figure for this team. His authority is gone, and the Harvin ordeal is a great example.

Since Childress isn't the leader the old grizzled Favre is, and why not, elder statesman in the league, HOFer, record holder. But he's AWOL. He's the football equivalent of a weekend dad: there some times, not there others. And no one who is there that could be a leader for this team (AP, JA) wants to take charge because weekend Dad could show up any time.

This is the second offseason in a row Childress has allowed one player to disrupt their entire camp. He even sent three players down there to essentially beg. Not only is that demeaning to them, it sends a strong message to the team: Practice doesn't matter, camp doesn't matter, your progress doesn't matter. All that matters is getting #4 under center.

I am placing my chips down that no team can undergo that complete lack of leadership, open double standards, and general lack of discipline and direction and put together back-to-back deep playoff runs. With or without Favre, the Vikes finish 8-8 or thereabouts, Favre retires (again) without winning a Superbowl away from the Pack, and Childress gets deservedly fired at the end of the season. Management should be on the street to for allowing this situation to continue.

/Rant.

 

[JohnnyU]

The Vikings will go 14-2 and lose to the Colts in the Super Bowl. By the way, your Bears will go 8-8. Cutler is a loser and Martz had his one brief moment and now he's a loser too.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Off the board in some places, but one place had it @ 9.5 wins for Minny.

 

[Clifford]

The Vikings will go 14-2 and lose to the Colts in the Super Bowl. By the way, your Bears will go 8-8. Cutler is a loser and Martz had his one brief moment and now he's a loser too.

Thanks for the contribution

 

[Raider Nation]

That team could start Joe Webb and still win 9 games.

 

[CBower4545]

Bears fan makes self proclaimed crazy prediction that hated rival and playoff favorite will fail regardless of what happens, no way this could possible be wishful thinking.

 

[Manster]

the Vikes will win the Norse. i'm thinking it will take a better record than 8-8

the Bears will be fighting it out with the Lions for the cellar.

 

[Clifford]

If there is a football God he is angry at Brad Childress. Should have taken off my team before making this post. I'm probably wrong but unlike most I will put my money where my mouth is. If Over/Under season wins is at nine, $20 down on the under. If it's at 10 or above, $50 down.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If the Vikings go 8-8 it's going to be because their offensive line let them down or just a rash of injuries.

 

[jude]

No.

 

[travdogg]

I think the OP is just randomly assigning chemistry. Its every bit as likely that they will be an even more well oiled machine in year 2 of the Favre era. Why won't the whole team rally round Favre?

Frankly, as long as the o-line holds up(which is really their only major ? mark, the secondary will be fine) I think the Vikings are the favorites not just in the NFC North, but probably the entire league.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Here's something to consider:

last year because of the schedule I read/heard several people predict that the Vikes would start out a string 5-0, maybe 8-0, because of their schedule.

Well take a look at what they have this year:

@NO

then MIA & DET at home and a bye.

THEN:

@NYJ

Dal.

@GB

@NE

ARI

@CHI

GB

That could indeed be a rough start.

But, hey, it all depends on that ankle anyway, right?

It has to give some time.

 

[Clifford]

I'm just giving my gut feeling based on what I have seen and heard, which isn't much because I've been intentionally avoiding Favre news like the plague. But allowing one inmate to run the asylum can't work forever.

Based on that schedule, suppose, just suppose, that Favre comes out in week 1 and looks incredibly rusty. And they lose. Again. You don't think there is going to be some grumbling?

Then suppose they somehow manage to lose one of the next two. And are 1-2 facing that slate of games.

I just don't see how Chilly plans on controlling that locker room.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

After last season's extension Childress will clearly be around for awhile.

Which is awesome.

 

[steelcityman]

Here's something to consider:last year because of the schedule I read/heard several people predict that the Vikes would start out a string 5-0, maybe 8-0, because of their schedule.Well take a look at what they have this yearNOthen MIA & DET at home and a bye.THENNYJDal.@GB@NEARI@CHIGBThat could indeed be a rough start.But, hey, it all depends on that ankle anyway, right?It has to give some time.

I look at that slate and see some high scoring games...if they lose them all but score almost 30 ppg, I will be happy.

 

[Insein]

That team could start Joe Webb and still win 9 games.

They did in 08. Except he called himself Gus and Tavaris.

 

[Doug B]

One question no one ever really addresses:

Can Favre's 2009 level of play really be taken for granted in 2010? Even if that ankle is 100% right by Week 1 ... no one thinks a drop-off is somewhat likely? What's there to stop him from dropping closer to his 2005-2006 form?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Here's something to consider:last year because of the schedule I read/heard several people predict that the Vikes would start out a string 5-0, maybe 8-0, because of their schedule.Well take a look at what they have this yearNOthen MIA & DET at home and a bye.THENNYJDal.@GB@NEARI@CHIGBThat could indeed be a rough start.But, hey, it all depends on that ankle anyway, right?It has to give some time.

I see 7-8 winnable games there - Mia, Det, @NYJ, Dal, @NE, ARI, @CHI, GB@GB is probably the toughest game. I think they can win @NO. NE and NYJ will not be as strong as many think. DAL at home is certainly winnable in a high-scoring affair.

 

[Sinn Fein]

One question no one ever really addresses:

Can Favre's 2009 level of play really be taken for granted in 2010? Even if that ankle is 100% right by Week 1 ... no one thinks a drop-off is somewhat likely? What's there to stop him from dropping closer to his 2005-2006 form?

I think a drop-off is likely - but it will not be severe.In 2005, GB ranked 30th in rushing. In 2006 GB ranked 23rd in rushing.

As long as Peterson, and the offensive line, are healthy, Favre will put up good numbers, as teams have to respect the rushing offense. That will open up the passing game and Favre is talented enough to take advantage of the mismatch.

 

[mozzy84]

I'm just giving my gut feeling based on what I have seen and heard, which isn't much because I've been intentionally avoiding Favre news like the plague. But allowing one inmate to run the asylum can't work forever.Based on that schedule, suppose, just suppose, that Favre comes out in week 1 and looks incredibly rusty. And they lose. Again. You don't think there is going to be some grumbling?Then suppose they somehow manage to lose one of the next two. And are 1-2 facing that slate of games.I just don't see how Chilly plans on controlling that locker room.

wishful thinking all over the place here

 

[BigJim®]

:(

 

[Doug B]

One question no one ever really addresses:

Can Favre's 2009 level of play really be taken for granted in 2010? Even if that ankle is 100% right by Week 1 ... no one thinks a drop-off is somewhat likely? What's there to stop him from dropping closer to his 2005-2006 form?

I think a drop-off is likely - but it will not be severe.In 2005, GB ranked 30th in rushing. In 2006 GB ranked 23rd in rushing.

As long as Peterson, and the offensive line, are healthy, Favre will put up good numbers, as teams have to respect the rushing offense. That will open up the passing game and Favre is talented enough to take advantage of the mismatch.

Something else that would concern me as a Vikings fan: no one will see his inevitable age-related drop-off coming. I assume it will be sudden. Might not happen in 2010, admittedly. But if it did happen this year, would it be all that shocking?

 

[ScottyFargo]

What is that smell in here? *sniff* *sniff* Smells like...

Tedy Bruschi

*vomit*

 

[Chaka]

That team could start Joe Jack Webb and still win 9 games.

 

[Gopher State]

Sure, this is an off-the-cuff wild-hair prediction, but anyone who was on the Denver-Bengals thread knows my awesome powers of psychic prognostication (joke)But I do think that things can't continue as they are without that team suffering mightily.People will be quick to point out that all this drama didn't keep them out of the NFC Championship game last year. But this year and last year are different, simply because there was a last year.Last year was courtship, engagement, and the honeymoon. It was all upside, all enthusiasm, all relief at having the yoke of Tarvaris Jackson's complete ineffectiveness lifted from the team's shoulders.This year is the marriage, and as anyone who is married knows, those are two different worlds.When you listen to Viking players talk about this you can see it in their eyes and hear it in their voices. JA started off light-hearted about it, but as the weeks progressed and still no Favre, you could see it bothering him more and more.A team needs a leader just like a kid needs a father. That Father figure is supposed to be Childress, but by pursuing Favre how he has he can no longer be that figure for this team. His authority is gone, and the Harvin ordeal is a great example. Since Childress isn't the leader the old grizzled Favre is, and why not, elder statesman in the league, HOFer, record holder. But he's AWOL. He's the football equivalent of a weekend dad: there some times, not there others. And no one who is there that could be a leader for this team (AP, JA) wants to take charge because weekend Dad could show up any time.This is the second offseason in a row Childress has allowed one player to disrupt their entire camp. He even sent three players down there to essentially beg. Not only is that demeaning to them, it sends a strong message to the team: Practice doesn't matter, camp doesn't matter, your progress doesn't matter. All that matters is getting #4 under center.I am placing my chips down that no team can undergo that complete lack of leadership, open double standards, and general lack of discipline and direction and put together back-to-back deep playoff runs. With or without Favre, the Vikes finish 8-8 or thereabouts, Favre retires (again) without winning a Superbowl away from the Pack, and Childress gets deservedly fired at the end of the season. Management should be on the street to for allowing this situation to continue./Rant.

Thanks for this great post . Good luck with that Cutler/Martz combo this year

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The Vikings will go 14-2 and lose to the Colts in the Super Bowl. By the way, your Bears will go 8-8. Cutler is a loser and Martz had his one brief moment and now he's a loser too.

A little harsh, Martz has a SB period, you can't take that away from him, he earned it. Peyton Manning has only 1 SB ring himself and the last one he was in, he lost and besides the fact the defense couldn't get any pressure on Brees, Manning played less than stellar especially when he threw the pick 6 to put the game on ice for the Saints.Vikings will be tough to beat with Farve, that's the reality. Winning will cure all of these problems (now talking to original poster). Green Bay will be a tough out, the winner of the NFC North will probably be the NFC SB favorite in my eyes, although if I had to pick just one team to make it, it would be the Saints because of their easy schedule. The playoffs might as well start for that team, w/e.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Sure, this is an off-the-cuff wild-hair prediction, but anyone who was on the Denver-Bengals thread knows my awesome powers of psychic prognostication (joke)But I do think that things can't continue as they are without that team suffering mightily.People will be quick to point out that all this drama didn't keep them out of the NFC Championship game last year. But this year and last year are different, simply because there was a last year.Last year was courtship, engagement, and the honeymoon. It was all upside, all enthusiasm, all relief at having the yoke of Tarvaris Jackson's complete ineffectiveness lifted from the team's shoulders.This year is the marriage, and as anyone who is married knows, those are two different worlds.When you listen to Viking players talk about this you can see it in their eyes and hear it in their voices. JA started off light-hearted about it, but as the weeks progressed and still no Favre, you could see it bothering him more and more.A team needs a leader just like a kid needs a father. That Father figure is supposed to be Childress, but by pursuing Favre how he has he can no longer be that figure for this team. His authority is gone, and the Harvin ordeal is a great example. Since Childress isn't the leader the old grizzled Favre is, and why not, elder statesman in the league, HOFer, record holder. But he's AWOL. He's the football equivalent of a weekend dad: there some times, not there others. And no one who is there that could be a leader for this team (AP, JA) wants to take charge because weekend Dad could show up any time.This is the second offseason in a row Childress has allowed one player to disrupt their entire camp. He even sent three players down there to essentially beg. Not only is that demeaning to them, it sends a strong message to the team: Practice doesn't matter, camp doesn't matter, your progress doesn't matter. All that matters is getting #4 under center.I am placing my chips down that no team can undergo that complete lack of leadership, open double standards, and general lack of discipline and direction and put together back-to-back deep playoff runs. With or without Favre, the Vikes finish 8-8 or thereabouts, Favre retires (again) without winning a Superbowl away from the Pack, and Childress gets deservedly fired at the end of the season. Management should be on the street to for allowing this situation to continue./Rant.

However long it took you to type this.., it was a huge waste of time. Yes, the Vikes camp is so "disrupted" that they got stomped by the Rams on Saturday. Oh wait.. Yes, I know it is preseason, and the Rams no less, but they stopped them from scoring a single offensive point. (punt return, that's it) The team looked in good spirits. I'm really liking Chris Cook btw, I was a little concerned when I heard it was our first pick, but the kid looks good.

 

[uwillbsoon]

Sure, this is an off-the-cuff wild-hair prediction, but anyone who was on the Denver-Bengals thread knows my awesome powers of psychic prognostication (joke)But I do think that things can't continue as they are without that team suffering mightily.People will be quick to point out that all this drama didn't keep them out of the NFC Championship game last year. But this year and last year are different, simply because there was a last year.Last year was courtship, engagement, and the honeymoon. It was all upside, all enthusiasm, all relief at having the yoke of Tarvaris Jackson's complete ineffectiveness lifted from the team's shoulders.This year is the marriage, and as anyone who is married knows, those are two different worlds.When you listen to Viking players talk about this you can see it in their eyes and hear it in their voices. JA started off light-hearted about it, but as the weeks progressed and still no Favre, you could see it bothering him more and more.A team needs a leader just like a kid needs a father. That Father figure is supposed to be Childress, but by pursuing Favre how he has he can no longer be that figure for this team. His authority is gone, and the Harvin ordeal is a great example. Since Childress isn't the leader the old grizzled Favre is, and why not, elder statesman in the league, HOFer, record holder. But he's AWOL. He's the football equivalent of a weekend dad: there some times, not there others. And no one who is there that could be a leader for this team (AP, JA) wants to take charge because weekend Dad could show up any time.This is the second offseason in a row Childress has allowed one player to disrupt their entire camp. He even sent three players down there to essentially beg. Not only is that demeaning to them, it sends a strong message to the team: Practice doesn't matter, camp doesn't matter, your progress doesn't matter. All that matters is getting #4 under center.I am placing my chips down that no team can undergo that complete lack of leadership, open double standards, and general lack of discipline and direction and put together back-to-back deep playoff runs. With or without Favre, the Vikes finish 8-8 or thereabouts, Favre retires (again) without winning a Superbowl away from the Pack, and Childress gets deservedly fired at the end of the season. Management should be on the street to for allowing this situation to continue./Rant.

However long it took you to type this.., it was a huge waste of time. Yes, the Vikes camp is so "disrupted" that they got stomped by the Rams on Saturday. Oh wait.. Yes, I know it is preseason, and the Rams no less, but they stopped them from scoring a single offensive point. (punt return, that's it) The team looked in good spirits. I'm really liking Chris Cook btw, I was a little concerned when I heard it was our first pick, but the kid looks good.

Didn't the Lions go 4-0 in the preseason the year they went 0-16. It's called the preseason for a reason. That said, I think the Vikes are an 11 win team with Favre and 9 with someone else at QB. That, of course assumes Peterson stays healthy and Harvin and Rice get healthy. If those things don't happen, it could be trouble in paradise. Peterson is still the most important player on that team. The Vikes can win 9 without Favre. I'm not sure they can without Peterson. Gerhardt and Young aren't exactly inspiring.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Sure, this is an off-the-cuff wild-hair prediction, but anyone who was on the Denver-Bengals thread knows my awesome powers of psychic prognostication (joke)But I do think that things can't continue as they are without that team suffering mightily.People will be quick to point out that all this drama didn't keep them out of the NFC Championship game last year. But this year and last year are different, simply because there was a last year.Last year was courtship, engagement, and the honeymoon. It was all upside, all enthusiasm, all relief at having the yoke of Tarvaris Jackson's complete ineffectiveness lifted from the team's shoulders.This year is the marriage, and as anyone who is married knows, those are two different worlds.When you listen to Viking players talk about this you can see it in their eyes and hear it in their voices. JA started off light-hearted about it, but as the weeks progressed and still no Favre, you could see it bothering him more and more.A team needs a leader just like a kid needs a father. That Father figure is supposed to be Childress, but by pursuing Favre how he has he can no longer be that figure for this team. His authority is gone, and the Harvin ordeal is a great example. Since Childress isn't the leader the old grizzled Favre is, and why not, elder statesman in the league, HOFer, record holder. But he's AWOL. He's the football equivalent of a weekend dad: there some times, not there others. And no one who is there that could be a leader for this team (AP, JA) wants to take charge because weekend Dad could show up any time.This is the second offseason in a row Childress has allowed one player to disrupt their entire camp. He even sent three players down there to essentially beg. Not only is that demeaning to them, it sends a strong message to the team: Practice doesn't matter, camp doesn't matter, your progress doesn't matter. All that matters is getting #4 under center.I am placing my chips down that no team can undergo that complete lack of leadership, open double standards, and general lack of discipline and direction and put together back-to-back deep playoff runs. With or without Favre, the Vikes finish 8-8 or thereabouts, Favre retires (again) without winning a Superbowl away from the Pack, and Childress gets deservedly fired at the end of the season. Management should be on the street to for allowing this situation to continue./Rant.

However long it took you to type this.., it was a huge waste of time. Yes, the Vikes camp is so "disrupted" that they got stomped by the Rams on Saturday. Oh wait.. Yes, I know it is preseason, and the Rams no less, but they stopped them from scoring a single offensive point. (punt return, that's it) The team looked in good spirits. I'm really liking Chris Cook btw, I was a little concerned when I heard it was our first pick, but the kid looks good.

Didn't the Lions go 4-0 in the preseason the year they went 0-16. It's called the preseason for a reason. That said, I think the Vikes are an 11 win team with Favre and 9 with someone else at QB. That, of course assumes Peterson stays healthy and Harvin and Rice get healthy. If those things don't happen, it could be trouble in paradise. Peterson is still the most important player on that team. The Vikes can win 9 without Favre. I'm not sure they can without Peterson. Gerhardt and Young aren't exactly inspiring.

My point about preseason was just that the team looks together. Wins in preseason dont equal regular season success. The Vikes have a tough schedule, but I would be disappointed if they did worse than 11-5. Make no mistake, Favre is the most important piece of the puzzle to this team's success. Losing Favre, would hurt much worse than losing ADP. Obviously, as a fanatical Vikings fan, I love both guys.

 

[Sabertooth]

the Vikes will win the Norse. i'm thinking it will take a better record than 8-8the Bears will be fighting it out with the Lions for the cellar.

Norris.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

 

[Sabertooth]

Sure, this is an off-the-cuff wild-hair prediction, but anyone who was on the Denver-Bengals thread knows my awesome powers of psychic prognostication (joke)But I do think that things can't continue as they are without that team suffering mightily.People will be quick to point out that all this drama didn't keep them out of the NFC Championship game last year. But this year and last year are different, simply because there was a last year.Last year was courtship, engagement, and the honeymoon. It was all upside, all enthusiasm, all relief at having the yoke of Tarvaris Jackson's complete ineffectiveness lifted from the team's shoulders.This year is the marriage, and as anyone who is married knows, those are two different worlds.When you listen to Viking players talk about this you can see it in their eyes and hear it in their voices. JA started off light-hearted about it, but as the weeks progressed and still no Favre, you could see it bothering him more and more.A team needs a leader just like a kid needs a father. That Father figure is supposed to be Childress, but by pursuing Favre how he has he can no longer be that figure for this team. His authority is gone, and the Harvin ordeal is a great example. Since Childress isn't the leader the old grizzled Favre is, and why not, elder statesman in the league, HOFer, record holder. But he's AWOL. He's the football equivalent of a weekend dad: there some times, not there others. And no one who is there that could be a leader for this team (AP, JA) wants to take charge because weekend Dad could show up any time.This is the second offseason in a row Childress has allowed one player to disrupt their entire camp. He even sent three players down there to essentially beg. Not only is that demeaning to them, it sends a strong message to the team: Practice doesn't matter, camp doesn't matter, your progress doesn't matter. All that matters is getting #4 under center.I am placing my chips down that no team can undergo that complete lack of leadership, open double standards, and general lack of discipline and direction and put together back-to-back deep playoff runs. With or without Favre, the Vikes finish 8-8 or thereabouts, Favre retires (again) without winning a Superbowl away from the Pack, and Childress gets deservedly fired at the end of the season. Management should be on the street to for allowing this situation to continue./Rant.

 

[shader]

I don't think anything different about the Vikings today than I did yesterday. They don't have a bigtime receiver for Favre to throw to. The coaching staff still stinks at play-calling, and Favre still needs time to develop a little chemistry with Camarillo, Harvin and Berrian.

They should win their next 2, be 2-1 at the bye, and have a week off to get prepared for the rest of their season.

All is not lost when you take the Super Bowl champs to the very end of the 4th quarter on the road. The defense looked pretty good last night, and held Brees to what no doubt will be one of his worst games of the year.

Until Rice returns, this is a flawed offense, and one that needs to rely on Peterson more heavily than they do.

If they can develop some good chemistry over the next two months, the return of Rice could spark this team to a deep playoff run.

But I've never liked Brad Childress and I don't think I ever will. He plays checkers and Payton was playing chess.

 

[Insein]

All you need to know, Adrian Peterson 13/67/0 in the first half, 6/20/0 in the 2nd half. Childress abandoned the run.

 

[Clifford]

Sure, this is an off-the-cuff wild-hair prediction, but anyone who was on the Denver-Bengals thread knows my awesome powers of psychic prognostication (joke)

But I do think that things can't continue as they are without that team suffering mightily.

People will be quick to point out that all this drama didn't keep them out of the NFC Championship game last year. But this year and last year are different, simply because there was a last year.

Last year was courtship, engagement, and the honeymoon. It was all upside, all enthusiasm, all relief at having the yoke of Tarvaris Jackson's complete ineffectiveness lifted from the team's shoulders.

This year is the marriage, and as anyone who is married knows, those are two different worlds.

When you listen to Viking players talk about this you can see it in their eyes and hear it in their voices. JA started off light-hearted about it, but as the weeks progressed and still no Favre, you could see it bothering him more and more.

A team needs a leader just like a kid needs a father. That Father figure is supposed to be Childress, but by pursuing Favre how he has he can no longer be that figure for this team. His authority is gone, and the Harvin ordeal is a great example.

Since Childress isn't the leader the old grizzled Favre is, and why not, elder statesman in the league, HOFer, record holder. But he's AWOL. He's the football equivalent of a weekend dad: there some times, not there others. And no one who is there that could be a leader for this team (AP, JA) wants to take charge because weekend Dad could show up any time.

This is the second offseason in a row Childress has allowed one player to disrupt their entire camp. He even sent three players down there to essentially beg. Not only is that demeaning to them, it sends a strong message to the team: Practice doesn't matter, camp doesn't matter, your progress doesn't matter. All that matters is getting #4 under center.

I am placing my chips down that no team can undergo that complete lack of leadership, open double standards, and general lack of discipline and direction and put together back-to-back deep playoff runs. With or without Favre, the Vikes finish 8-8 or thereabouts, Favre retires (again) without winning a Superbowl away from the Pack, and Childress gets deservedly fired at the end of the season. Management should be on the street to for allowing this situation to continue.

/Rant.

However long it took you to type this.., it was a huge waste of time. Yes, the Vikes camp is so "disrupted" that they got stomped by the Rams on Saturday. Oh wait.. Yes, I know it is preseason, and the Rams no less, but they stopped them from scoring a single offensive point. (punt return, that's it)

The team looked in good spirits. I'm really liking Chris Cook btw, I was a little concerned when I heard it was our first pick, but the kid looks good.

 

[SWC]

If I was a team O coordinator in the NFL, which I am not unfortunately, I would just throw deep down the right side over and over since the MN D apparently has never seen that crazy new fangled play and is totally stunned by it and cannot devise a way to defend it because it is simply so newfangled and unexpected.

 

[Clifford]

I don't think anything different about the Vikings today than I did yesterday. They don't have a bigtime receiver for Favre to throw to. The coaching staff still stinks at play-calling, and Favre still needs time to develop a little chemistry with Camarillo, Harvin and Berrian.

They should win their next 2, be 2-1 at the bye, and have a week off to get prepared for the rest of their season.

All is not lost when you take the Super Bowl champs to the very end of the 4th quarter on the road. The defense looked pretty good last night, and held Brees to what no doubt will be one of his worst games of the year.

Until Rice returns, this is a flawed offense, and one that needs to rely on Peterson more heavily than they do.

If they can develop some good chemistry over the next two months, the return of Rice could spark this team to a deep playoff run.

But I've never liked Brad Childress and I don't think I ever will. He plays checkers and Payton was playing chess.

There's no guarantee that Rice does come back. And if he does he might not be full speed right away. And if they play like they did last night until he gets there, there's no reason to bring him back anyway.What about the vaunted Vikes run D? They let PT carve them up like a Thanksgiving Turducken.

 

[JamesTheScot]

All you need to know, Adrian Peterson 13/67/0 in the first half, 6/20/0 in the 2nd half. Childress abandoned the run.

You think Childress abandoned the run?I think he abandoned all dignity and respect when he sent the contigent to Mississippi.How can he keep pounding the ball when Favre is going to start #####ing about being held in check? You don't think being down on the score board in the 3rd and 4th is Favre-time in Favre's mind? I can see it now in Favre's post-game, emotionally charged, presser: "I mean, why ask me to come back if you aren't going to give me a chance to win the game?"Childress is in a no-win. If Favre choked, it's on Childress for abandoning the run. If Peterson struggled, it's on Childress for not letting Favre do his thing. The Vikes are going to lose some games this year, and after every one of them he's going to be second guessed about why he didn't favor Favre over Peterson or vice versa.You've got two guys who should be "the guy" for your team and you've got a coach seen as weak and impotent. Should be fun to watch.

 

[qimqam]

Is it me or does it seem like AP never has a hole. It seems like he has to cut and grind for every yard.

They could really use Gerhart to take some of the pounding off of AP.

 

[Late225]

Is it me or does it seem like AP never has a hole. It seems like he has to cut and grind for every yard.They could really use Gerhart to take some of the pounding off of AP.

10-6, they have a tough schedule, but they're a solid team and will win a lot of those games. Probably Winning their division or getting a wild card spot - I think most people have both GP and MIN making the playoffs.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Is it me or does it seem like AP never has a hole. It seems like he has to cut and grind for every yard.They could really use Gerhart to take some of the pounding off of AP.

I did notice that Albert young couldnt get barley a yard when he had the ball. I think people were under estimating the saints. Damn good team

 

[Clifford]

It has begun

 

[ArcticEdge]

It has begun

Good thing you are a Bears fan and have no issues with your team..

 

[Guest]

If there is a football God he is angry at Brad Childress. Should have taken off my team before making this post. I'm probably wrong but unlike most I will put my money where my mouth is. If Over/Under season wins is at nine, $20 down on the under. If it's at 10 or above, $50 down.

$20 @ 9 on the O/U.Paypal info sent. I'm even letting you weasel out of your 8-8 prediction and giving up 8.5 as the O/U.

 

[Clifford]

It has begun

Good thing you are a Bears fan and have no issues with your team..

We're 2-0You're 0-2 and facing a teamwide meltdown of epic proportions. Still just wishful thinking from a Bears fan, or maybe there actually is something to team unity, leadership, and cohesion?

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Countdown to whiny Viking fan calling a mod to suggest this thread isn't FF related either... 3.... 2... 1....

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=556610

 

[Widbil83]

 

[Clifford]

Considering the amount of heat I took back in August for this I think it should stand. I made this call when Favre was still in Hattiesburg. This deserves to live as a reminder that you can't spit in the face of the game forever with impunity.

 

[Sweatpants]

Where is MOP when you need him? He needs to get in here and clean this up

 

[jmack0311]

Countdown to whiny Viking fan calling a mod to suggest this thread isn't FF related either... 3.... 2... 1....

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=556610

At least the OP made a post that had some actual partially informed information to back his statement. Maybe if your mother didn't drink while you were a fetus you'd understand the difference and know that your thread was nothing more then a terrible trolling expedition. However, I'm certain that your B.A.C. has likely been north of .2 since 9am, so it'll be far to difficult to wrap your feeble mind around simple facts. Nor would you have the class or foresight not to not poke the bear outside of Vikings-Packers week or Vikings-Bears week, so my only advice to you is to remember that closets and sinks are not toilets. DIAF.

Haha u mad???