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Vikings want Alexander (1 Viewer)

a) I've already said Williamson was a terrible pick.

Jerry Rice is a receiving legend too. Should they have acquired him?

b) You do know that Culpepper had his knee destroyed last year, right? I don't think that Culpepper's style would ever allow him to play until 40. And now that his mobility will be limited for the next two years, that further hits his stock.

Seriously Jim, you go way too much on reputation over reality.
a) C'mon. There has to be a penalty for ridiculous comparisons :penalty: . Now you are comparing a 28 year old Moss to a 40 year old Rice? Moss mailed it in last year and somehow out-received any Viking WR by 400 yards, and caught 8 TDs. You are comparing that to a guy who has been beyond his prime since 1996? Wow.b) "Destroyed"? Sort of like how McGahee's knee was "destroyed"? That's totally unsubstantiated and frankly modern medicine would respectfully disagree. I also disagree that Daunte's "style" would never allow him to play until he's 40. I see him very easily becoming a predominant pocket passer a la Steve McNair as he ages. He has the arm and he's still learning the position. A one trick pony QB like Vick, maybe, but he's nowhere near the accomplished passer that Daunte is. You'd think we were 10 years instead of 12 months removed from 2004 when Daunte set an NFL record for passer rating at 110.9, and accumulated an astonishing 5100 total yards (4700 of those passing) under the tutelage of Linehan. Like many QBs, it's all about confidence and buying into a system for Daunte. I refuse to believe his year under Loney means Daunte can't play QB.

As far as me buying reputation over reality, I just don't even know how to respond to that. I don't think I could be more clear that my whole opinion as to Moss/Culpepper is statistical and based on actual performance. That is anything but "reputation." But don't mind me, dispose of these unbelievably productive players for guys who may or may not ever even become NFL starters, if that is your reality.
You're admitting he mailed it in, just like he would have with the Vikings, and justifying a lousy 1005 yard season by comparing it to the Vikings offense which spread the ball around to 5 WR's and 2 TE's?
 
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All the crap Culpepper is getting is pretty unfair. Many moons ago? I agree with Jim- he's only one year removed from one of the best seasons a QB has EVER had. I also think Culpepper would have gotten on track this past year if he had stayed healthy. He's still one of the best 5 QBs in the league and guys like that don't grow on trees......

 
You're admitting he mailed it in, just like he would have with the Vikings, and justifying a lousy 1005 yard season by comparing it to the Vikings offense which spread the ball around to 5 WR's and 2 TE's?
That's true. I'm also not denying he would have mailed it in under Tice like he did the year prior IMHO. But remember, Moss lost out on some lame brain "Keep Moss or Tice" mindfu#% that McCombs sold to Viking fans to excuse keeping the lowest paid coach in the NFL. I do doubt Moss would mail it in under good coaching that was able to keep him motivated. That's why good head coaches (i.e. not Tice or Turner) earn the big bucks. Just because Moss is a psychological challenge does not put him past his prime or put him on par with Troy Williamson.But I'm done hijacking. This thread is about the Vikings not getting Alexander.

 
All the crap Culpepper is getting is pretty unfair. Many moons ago? I agree with Jim- he's only one year removed from one of the best seasons a QB has EVER had.

I also think Culpepper would have gotten on track this past year if he had stayed healthy. He's still one of the best 5 QBs in the league and guys like that don't grow on trees......
That is not good enough for Vikings fans. He must be the best EVERY year, or ship him out. He is wayyyy overdue for being traded. Gut the team !!!!

 
All the crap Culpepper is getting is pretty unfair. Many moons ago? I agree with Jim- he's only one year removed from one of the best seasons a QB has EVER had.

I also think Culpepper would have gotten on track this past year if he had stayed healthy. He's still one of the best 5 QBs in the league and guys like that don't grow on trees......
In NFL time. The injury, coupled with his age, have to be a concern.
 
All the crap Culpepper is getting is pretty unfair. Many moons ago? I agree with Jim- he's only one year removed from one of the best seasons a QB has EVER had.

I also think Culpepper would have gotten on track this past year if he had stayed healthy. He's still one of the best 5 QBs in the league and guys like that don't grow on trees......
In NFL time. The injury, coupled with his age, have to be a concern.
Oh, I think the injury is very concerning. I was just commenting on the fact that some fans seem to have VERY short memories. Culpepper has had some incredible years as QB of the Vikings. He's earned the right to be cut a little slack, IMO.
 
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All the crap Culpepper is getting is pretty unfair. Many moons ago? I agree with Jim- he's only one year removed from one of the best seasons a QB has EVER had.

I also think Culpepper would have gotten on track this past year if he had stayed healthy. He's still one of the best 5 QBs in the league and guys like that don't grow on trees......
In NFL time. The injury, coupled with his age, have to be a concern.
Oh, I think the injury is very concerning. I was just commenting on the fact that some fans seem to have VERY short memories. Culpepper has had some incredible years as QB of the Vikings. He's earned the right to be cut a little slack, IMO.
Nobody in the NFL has earned that right. Nor will they ever earn that right. The league, like has been said a million times, is a "what have you done for me lately" league. If Daunte's not the guy for the next 5 years, he's not the guy.Yes, he was incredible last season. But there's no way he's fully recovered until at least the end of next season.

I'm just sayin' that if it were me, I'd be looking to get what I could for him. But I wouldn't just give him away either. It's okay to be of a differing opinion.

 
Just because Moss is a psychological challenge does not put him past his prime or put him on par with Troy Williamson.
Nobody said it did, sparky.
Oh that's right. You're the big "sparky" joker. Real funny stuff. Don't quit the day job fifi.
Hey guy. When you've got the biggest goat in the world and it's tied up right out in the open, you can't expect someone not to get it.
 
Nobody in the NFL has earned that right. Nor will they ever earn that right. The league, like has been said a million times, is a "what have you done for me lately" league. We'll have to disagree on this point. I think with Culpepper losing his OC and top WR last year, he deserved some patience from Viking fans and fans in general. His past performance suggested that minus something unforeseen, he'd be able to right the ship. I don't subscribe fully to the "What have you done for me lately" mentality anyway. Players who have helped their teams achieve greatness in the past should be granted a little more patience when they are in a funk/slump or struggling. Chances are they will pull out of it eventually unless their physical skills simply no longer allow for that to happen.

 
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I don't subscribe fully to the "What have you done for me lately" mentality anyway. Players who have helped their teams achieve greatness in the past should be granted a little more patience when they are in a funk/slump or struggling. Chances are they will pull out of it eventually unless their physical skills simply no longer allow for that to happen.
I would agree with your perspective. I just don't see it in practice in the NFL. :shrug:

By default, I'm not excited about players coming back from injury. The only one I've seen do it is Edgerrin James. The jury is still out on McGahee.

 
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I don't subscribe fully to the "What have you done for me lately" mentality anyway. Players who have helped their teams achieve greatness in the past should be granted a little more patience when they are in a funk/slump or struggling. Chances are they will pull out of it eventually unless their physical skills simply no longer allow for that to happen.
I would agree with your perspective. I just don't see it in practice in the NFL. :shrug:

By default, I'm not excited about players coming back from injury. The only one I've seen do it is Edgerrin James. The jury is still out on McGahee.
How about Jamal Lewis? His 2000 yard season came after a torn ACL......
 
I don't subscribe fully to the "What have you done for me lately" mentality anyway. Players who have helped their teams achieve greatness in the past should be granted a little more patience when they are in a funk/slump or struggling. Chances are they will pull out of it eventually unless their physical skills simply no longer allow for that to happen.
I would agree with your perspective. I just don't see it in practice in the NFL. :shrug:

By default, I'm not excited about players coming back from injury. The only one I've seen do it is Edgerrin James. The jury is still out on McGahee.
How about Jamal Lewis? His 2000 yard season came after a torn ACL......
True and I'm sure there are a few others (Terry Allen from the Vikings) comes to mind. But more often than not, it doesn't seem worth the risk. Maybe my perceptions are wrong. Any examples of a QB coming back from an injury as bad as Culpeppers, or even a simple ACL?

 
All the crap Culpepper is getting is pretty unfair. Many moons ago? I agree with Jim- he's only one year removed from one of the best seasons a QB has EVER had.

I also think Culpepper would have gotten on track this past year if he had stayed healthy. He's still one of the best 5 QBs in the league and guys like that don't grow on trees......
In NFL time. The injury, coupled with his age, have to be a concern.
He turns 29 at the end of the month, not exactly "old" IMO, and plenty young enough to recover from knee surgery as a QB.
 
All the crap Culpepper is getting is pretty unfair. Many moons ago? I agree with Jim- he's only one year removed from one of the best seasons a QB has EVER had.

I also think Culpepper would have gotten on track this past year if he had stayed healthy. He's still one of the best 5 QBs in the league and guys like that don't grow on trees......
In NFL time. The injury, coupled with his age, have to be a concern.
He turns 29 at the end of the month, not exactly "old" IMO, and plenty young enough to recover from knee surgery as a QB.
I dunno. What's the average career for an NFL QB? I know RBs are around 4 years. I'm sure QBs are higher, just not by much.And by the time he's plays fully healed he'll be nearly 31. I'm not sure that's still "young".

 
All the crap Culpepper is getting is pretty unfair. Many moons ago? I agree with Jim- he's only one year removed from one of the best seasons a QB has EVER had.

I also think Culpepper would have gotten on track this past year if he had stayed healthy. He's still one of the best 5 QBs in the league and guys like that don't grow on trees......
In NFL time. The injury, coupled with his age, have to be a concern.
He turns 29 at the end of the month, not exactly "old" IMO, and plenty young enough to recover from knee surgery as a QB.
I dunno. What's the average career for an NFL QB? I know RBs are around 4 years. I'm sure QBs are higher, just not by much.And by the time he's plays fully healed he'll be nearly 31. I'm not sure that's still "young".
It is. Most QBs "prime" is viewed from age 28 to 34. Culpepper is very much in his prime right now as is Manning still.
 
All the crap Culpepper is getting is pretty unfair. Many moons ago? I agree with Jim- he's only one year removed from one of the best seasons a QB has EVER had.

I also think Culpepper would have gotten on track this past year if he had stayed healthy. He's still one of the best 5 QBs in the league and guys like that don't grow on trees......
In NFL time. The injury, coupled with his age, have to be a concern.
He turns 29 at the end of the month, not exactly "old" IMO, and plenty young enough to recover from knee surgery as a QB.
I dunno. What's the average career for an NFL QB? I know RBs are around 4 years. I'm sure QBs are higher, just not by much.And by the time he's plays fully healed he'll be nearly 31. I'm not sure that's still "young".
It is. Most QBs "prime" is viewed from age 28 to 34. Culpepper is very much in his prime right now as is Manning still.
All right. I guess I may be judging him too harshly.Back to an earlier question. What QB's have come back from an ACL injury? Or from one as bad as Cpep's?

 
I don't subscribe fully to the "What have you done for me lately" mentality anyway. Players who have helped their teams achieve greatness in the past should be granted a little more patience when they are in a funk/slump or struggling. Chances are they will pull out of it eventually unless their physical skills simply no longer allow for that to happen.
I would agree with your perspective. I just don't see it in practice in the NFL. :shrug:

By default, I'm not excited about players coming back from injury. The only one I've seen do it is Edgerrin James. The jury is still out on McGahee.
How about Jamal Lewis? His 2000 yard season came after a torn ACL......
True and I'm sure there are a few others (Terry Allen from the Vikings) comes to mind. But more often than not, it doesn't seem worth the risk. Maybe my perceptions are wrong. Any examples of a QB coming back from an injury as bad as Culpeppers, or even a simple ACL?
I don't know of many examples, but Trent Green in '99, Grossman last year and I believe Brees torn his in high school.
 
I don't know of many examples, but Trent Green in '99, Grossman last year and I believe Brees torn his in high school.
Green is a great example. He tore the ACL, MCL and lateral meniscus in his left knee. I think Daunte tore his right (plant) knee. That seems worse.
 
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All right.  I guess I may be judging him too harshly.

Back to an earlier question.  What QB's have come back from an ACL injury?  Or from one as bad as Cpep's?
Trent Green is a good example. But on QBs who have looked like totally overmatched turnover machines for games at a time and then regained pro-bowl appearance, I think Favre has done that a couple dozen times.
 
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I think with the lowered expectations this year, Daunte will come in and surprise everyone and regain is top 3-5 status as an NFL qb, Id like to see other qbs lose their top wr(maybe a top 5 alltime wr), their OC, and their starting C, who calls out all the blitzes and line changes.Daunte(if healthy,which he should be by training camp) will once again be an MVP candidateanother poster had it right earlier, trading Moss and drafting Williamson was correct, hindsight being 50/50 ofcourse Merriman would have been nice but Williamson has the look of a good one. with Koren,Nate, and Troy we are ok at WR throw in Travis and Jermaine and we have people who are good pass catchers.Im excited to get a RB and put MM at the 3rd down,change of pace guy, id love Lendale White or Jamal LewisWe have to sign a big time guard either LeCharles Bentley or Steve Huthchinson, along with McKinnie, Marcus Johnson,Birk, and a resigned Fonoti, thats a nice looking line.Dont touch the DLine, I love are starters Udeze,Williams x2,James, with Johnstone,Mosley and Scott as the main backupsLB needs to be overhauled, if we have 3 new starters id be happy, FA's include Julian Peterson,Will Witherspoon, and othersDBs Id love to resign Brian Williams but that looks unlikley unless we move Antoine to SS, i like our Rook who had the TD vs the Pack, he should be ok as the 3rd cb.......hopefully Sharper doesnt show is age next yearKeep Kluwe and Edinger.And next year ill be :popcorn:

 
I don't know of many examples, but Trent Green in '99, Grossman last year and I believe Brees torn his in high school.
Green is a great example. He tore the ACL, MCL and lateral meniscus in his left knee. I think Daunte tore his right (plant) knee. That seems worse.
That also seems like the most likely one to get hit again. I also remembered that UCLA's Drew Olson tore his knee in '04 and he came back fine this past season.

 
I am as a big of a Culpepper supporter there is. I fell in love with him when he played for Central Florida and spanked Nebraska (in the first half) of their 'feed the slave to the lions' Roman Coliseum opening game in Nebraska. How funny it was to see Nebraska completely shuked by this division II quarterback. But I regress, I just want to make clear that I have long been a Culpepper supporter.But a couple of things I am worried about.The team is going to put in a new offensive system, one that is not known for being easy to pick up. And I love Dante and all, but he was the quickest quarterback when it came to picking up Denny Green's quarterback friendly system. And this has been the only pro system he has been in since 1999.Not only do I worry about the complex system and Dante picking it up, I also fear how far behind he will start. I don't anticipate him really being involved in full-speed practices until next August, but I am also not a doctor. So if he is not full speed this offseason, his first offseason picking up this new offense will be the spring of 2007. My fear is his first opening day with this offensive system (with a complete full spring training behind him) will be the fall of 2007. So unless he picks up the system faster than Denny Green's quarterback friendly system, he may not be completely ready to go with the system until the fall of 2008. This might be me just being pessismistic, or possibly not a doctor, or possibly not an NFL offensive coordinator....or some combination of all three.

 
I am as a big of a Culpepper supporter there is. I fell in love with him when he played for Central Florida and spanked Nebraska (in the first half) of their 'feed the slave to the lions' Roman Coliseum opening game in Nebraska. How funny it was to see Nebraska completely shuked by this division II quarterback. But I regress, I just want to make clear that I have long been a Culpepper supporter.

But a couple of things I am worried about.

The team is going to put in a new offensive system, one that is not known for being easy to pick up. And I love Dante and all, but he was the quickest quarterback when it came to picking up Denny Green's quarterback friendly system. And this has been the only pro system he has been in since 1999.

Not only do I worry about the complex system and Dante picking it up, I also fear how far behind he will start. I don't anticipate him really being involved in full-speed practices until next August, but I am also not a doctor.

So if he is not full speed this offseason, his first offseason picking up this new offense will be the spring of 2007. My fear is his first opening day with this offensive system (with a complete full spring training behind him) will be the fall of 2007. So unless he picks up the system faster than Denny Green's quarterback friendly system, he may not be completely ready to go with the system until the fall of 2008.

This might be me just being pessismistic, or possibly not a doctor, or possibly not an NFL offensive coordinator....or some combination of all three.
I'm at a loss trying to figure why they want to change an offensive system that has been suited for the talent's of it's QB (not known as the brightest one in the league), unless they really are thinking about trading him. I figured when they drafted Williamson that they wanted to stick with the chuck and duck style that had been successful with Moss, not try to turn CPep into Steve Young the way the Falcons have been doing with Vick. Maybe it will work out, but the logic of it isn't clear to me.
 
I'm at a loss trying to figure why they want to change an offensive system that has been suited for the talent's of it's QB (not known as the brightest one in the league), unless they really are thinking about trading him. I figured when they drafted Williamson that they wanted to stick with the chuck and duck style that had been successful with Moss, not try to turn CPep into Steve Young the way the Falcons have been doing with Vick. Maybe it will work out, but the logic of it isn't clear to me.
Well, I guess because Childress doesn't know the Denny Green system. Playbooks and systems evolve each year and the only person who can help the playbook and system evolve is the guy who created it. The current Viking playbook and system has been stagnant since Denny Green left. I think Linehan probably did some tweaking too, so it would be a Green-Linehan hybrid playbook and system.

:shrug:

PS - Others have pointed out that Culpepper did shatter Steve Young's NCAA record for completion percentage with a dink and dunk offense, so maybe all is not lost.

 
It's a different system, but the core competencies are the same. Childress and Green are both WCO guys by trade. The main difference I think Vikings fans will find [and be happy to see] is that Childress will be hell bent on maintaining a healthy run/pass ratio. He's had to accept Reid's pass happy tendencies for better and worse.Getting back to Culpepper, it's not as though Daunte played out of the shotgun all this time. He has been under center, taking 3- and 5-step drops, making progressions downfield. As we saw from the Eagles offense in 2004 when we had TO, Childress will game plan to suit his best offensive assets.

 
It's a different system, but the core competencies are the same. Childress and Green are both WCO guys by trade.
Not sure how much I buy into this 'West Coast Coaching Tree' thing. I recall an article a few years ago in which John Gruden was contemplating why his offense was labeled a West Coast Offense with the likes of the Ravens (Billick), Eagles (Reid) and 49ers (Walsh), when looking at the film all three offenses appeared completely different.Now I do believe there are core competencies within each offense, but I think those core competencies extend across all 32 teams.

 
*shaking my head at Viking fans wanting to give away a QB who has had TWO 40+ TD seasons*  :no:

Think we should draft another Troy Williamson with that pick?  :crazy:
I still like the Williamson pick. From what I saw when he could get on the field, he looked explosive. Hard to fault the guy for sharing a roster with Nate Burleson, Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson and Koren Robinson. Those are 4 refined wide receivers who may not be pro bowl caliber players, but are legit NFL starters.
I don't know how to break it to you, but that was one of the worst draft picks EVAH to pay top 7 $$$ to a guy who can't supplant Travis Taylor, get's moved to the sidelines by Mrob/Krob, and eventually became a inactive designee because he decided to play coach in practice with an owie. If the Vikes re-sign Krob, expect that street FA and a 3rd rounder (Burleson) to plant Williamson's butt squarely on the bench. Also, whether or not you personally see a light at the end of the tunnel with Williamson, the point I'm trying to make is we traded a proven probowler for that pick (similar to trading Culpepper for wing and a prayer). I don't want to be having a conversation with you in 2007 about how the draft dud we got in exchange for Culpepper has a bright 2009 future, while Culpepper throws for 40/4200 somewhere else.
The Vikings were genius to get rid of Moss while he was still worth something and get a WR who COULD become one of the best in the league in a couple more years. It was well-known that he was raw coming out of college and it was ridiculous to think that anyone thought he was going to tear up the NFL his rookie year. On top of that, he was on a team loaded with veteran WR's and a QB who was injured early in the year.
I think this is the issue at hand that Big Jim is at odds with. Moss may be in decline, but we know what he can do and his problem may be motivation. Nobody knows what Williamson can do at this level. I think Big Jim is referrinf to the difference between a known commodity (or at least a commodity whose potential can be reasonably predicted) and a player in a position traditionally known for having high round busts. WRs are a tough call and if you don't believe me look at Kevin Dyson being selected before Moss. Who knew that Moss would do what hes done?Looking at it from a fantasy football perspective, think about the guy in your keeper league who always wants draft picks. He keeps youg guys on his roster, gives away quality veterans for higher picks, and never wins because he doesn't let his team develop. I'm not saying this is always the case, but potential doesn't win you games, production does.

I'm not saying that Big Jim is right for thinking the Vikes got screwed in the Moss' deal or that the Vikes weren't right for making the move, I'm attempting to explain/undertand is position.

 
Moss may be in decline, but we know what he can do and his problem may be motivation.
Personally, Moss was a great player but I his impact on the game has diminished significantly. The big knock on Moss was he didn't work hard and he never ran good routes. This was mindless banter as long as Moss was healthy and could run a sub 4.2 (4.1 ish) 40 yard dash. Moss has a long list of nagging injuries and the guy is no longer as fast as he once was.

I told Raider fans last year that 2005 was there one shot to expect Moss to play all 16 games. I think 2006 may be his last year to make the pro bowl.

 
Green's system was not a true WCO. He did not utilize the short timing routes to the WR's or the RB in the passing game the way a true WCO system is designed. Denny's system was based mostly on Gibb's late 80's Redskin offense. Longer WR routes and north-south running plays. Sure, they ran sweeps, reverses, slants, etc... but that was more a change-of-pace, not the bread & butter of the offense. As far as Tice's system? I'm not sure he had one. :P

 
Green's system was not a true WCO. He did not utilize the short timing routes to the WR's or the RB in the passing game the way a true WCO system is designed. Denny's system was based mostly on Gibb's late 80's Redskin offense. Longer WR routes and north-south running plays. Sure, they ran sweeps, reverses, slants, etc... but that was more a change-of-pace, not the bread & butter of the offense. As far as Tice's system? I'm not sure he had one. :P
I agree a 100%, and Tice maintained Denny's system and playbook. Linehan probably made some minor adjustments but the Viking playbook and system has been basically the same system since 1992.
 
Back to Subjuct I rather have us get James over shun.Edit can not walk and chew gum at the sametime.

 
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Back to Subjuct I rather have us get James over shun.

Edit can not walk and chew gum at the sametime.
Just out of curiosity, why would you want James over Alexander? I'm not saying I disagree, but this notion intrigues me.
 
This is a logical fit, but there are a lot of logical fits in the NFL.  Whether it happens is another story.

Be interesting how much interest\demand is out there for running backs.  Who else is out there other than Shaun and Edge?
Not many...Ahman Green UFA Packers

Anthony Thomas UFA Saints

Antowain Smith UFA Saints

Arlen Harris RFA Rams

Artose Pinner RFA Lions

Aveion Cason UFA Rams

Chad Morton UFA Giants

Chester Taylor UFA Ravens

David Allen RFA Rams

DeShaun Foster UFA Panthers

Edgerrin James UFA Colts

J.R. Redmond UFA Cardinals

Jamal Lewis UFA Ravens

James Jackson UFA Cardinals

Jonathan Wells UFA Texans

Kenny Watson UFA Bengals

LaBrandon Toefield RFA Jaguars

Lamar Gordon UFA Eagles

Maurice Morris UFA Seahawks

Michael Bennett UFA Vikings

Mike Cloud UFA Patriots

Moe Williams UFA Vikings

Musa Smith RFA Ravens

Najeh Davenport UFA Packers

Omar Easy UFA Raiders

Reno Mahe RFA Eagles

Ricky Proehl UFA Panthers

Rock Cartwright UFA Redskins

Ron Dayne UFA Broncos

Shaun Alexander UFA Seahawks

Shawn Bryson UFA Lions

Steve Bush UFA 49ers

Tony Fisher UFA Packers

Travis Minor UFA Dolphins

Verron Haynes UFA Steelers
Don't leave out Jamal Lewis from the bold.
I did on pupose.
I'd like to hear how Chester Taylor has more demand then Jamal Lewis.
if miami decides to trade him, Ricky will have more value than any of them NOT named Edgerrin James...penthouse performance, basement price.

Ricky's price tag makes it worth taking a chance on him..

 
Back to Subjuct I rather have us get James over shun.

Edit can not walk and chew gum at the sametime.
Just out of curiosity, why would you want James over Alexander? I'm not saying I disagree, but this notion intrigues me.
I agree with tietzjd. For my money, I think James is a better back. I know Alexander was the MVP and I love him as a fantasy back.

But James is only one year older and I think gives more flexibility to an offense. Especially to one coached by Brad Childress - assuming he does the same thing in MN that he did in PHI. I just look at the Eagles offense and contemplate who would be the better back Edge or Shaun. To me it looks like Edge.

Excluding his rookie year, Alexander's catches per season have (curiously considering it's a Holmgren offense) declined dramatically the last three years. His totals the last five years are 44, 59, 42, 23, 15

Compare this to James (excluding his injury year) - 62, 63, 61, 51, 51, 44.

:2cents:

 
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-- Vikings Ready for Push to Sign Alexander --

Sun Feb 12, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

FFMastermind.com senior fantasy writer and Vikings Update correspondent John Holler reports word out of Seattle is that the Vikings are preparing to make a strong push for RB Shaun Alexander if he makes it into free agency without having re-signed a long-term deal with the Seahawks.

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Have there ever been any players that were on a new team the year after being named the NFL MVP?
I looked back to 1975 and it looks like Alexander would be the first NFL MVP to change teams the next year.
 
Why would the Vikings spend the big money it would take to sign Alexander when they have bigger needs on the other side of the ball or the O-line. I know everybody is down on M. Moore saying he is soft blah, blah, blah about 95% of the injury talk came from Tice not exactly a reliable source. Moore has rushed for 1041 yards in his 11 pro starts with a healthy 4.7 yard average. Not exactly shoddy numbers. Granted he only has one rushing TD during that time but that is a product of the system. I just don't see why they would spend huge money or make a change when they have a potentially good RB. By the way the guy is good in the passing game as well

 
Back to Subjuct I rather have us get James over shun.

Edit can not walk and chew gum at the sametime.
Just out of curiosity, why would you want James over Alexander? I'm not saying I disagree, but this notion intrigues me.
JamesHeight: 6-0

Weight: 214 lbs. Age: 27

ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST

2188 9226 4.2 72 64 356 2839 8.0 60 11 33 19

VS

MVP

Height: 5-11

Weight: 225 lbs. Age: 28

ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST

1717 7817 4.6 88 89 188 1387 7.4 80 11 22 14

James Pro's

Younger in age.

Better receiver witch fits in Childress plan

Come at better price

James Con's

Played 1 more year then the MVP

Has had 1 major injury and still has 400 carries.

I just think with James pass catching skills he be better fit. With Brad Johnosn or recovering Pepper the vikes will have lean heavy on the Run and short passing game..

So you put Jimmy back full time as the H back. The gives Wiggins, James and Jimmy K for dump offs.

Still have to figure out the WR mess with Robinson, Tyalor, Burly and Williamson.

AS for the O-line who says you can't get James or Shun and not sign 1 or even 2 very good gaurds or 1 G and 1 T? With Birk back you have 2 very good OL men and Johnson in his 2nd year. You truly only need 1 more.

My offseason wish list:

James or Shun

1 Very Good OL G or T

1 Very Good LB

Draft SS anf LB in the Draft.

With 25 Mill under the cap even with nice roster bounes this can be done.

 
Why would the Vikings spend the big money it would take to sign Alexander when they have bigger needs on the other side of the ball or the O-line. I know everybody is down on M. Moore saying he is soft blah, blah, blah about 95% of the injury talk came from Tice not exactly a reliable source. Moore has rushed for 1041 yards in his 11 pro starts with a healthy 4.7 yard average. Not exactly shoddy numbers. Granted he only has one rushing TD during that time but that is a product of the system. I just don't see why they would spend huge money or make a change when they have a potentially good RB. By the way the guy is good in the passing game as well
The 4.7 is accurate, but you added up his total yards gained over 26 games and tried to pass it off as 11 games.Moore has rushed for 707 yards in his 11 pro starts (appx 63 ypg).

 
Why would the Vikings spend the big money it would take to sign Alexander when they have bigger needs on the other side of the ball or the O-line. I know everybody is down on M. Moore saying he is soft blah, blah, blah about 95% of the injury talk came from Tice not exactly a reliable source. Moore has rushed for 1041 yards in his 11 pro starts with a healthy 4.7 yard average. Not exactly shoddy numbers. Granted he only has one rushing TD during that time but that is a product of the system. I just don't see why they would spend huge money or make a change when they have a potentially good RB. By the way the guy is good in the passing game as well
The 4.7 is accurate, but you added up his total yards gained over 26 games and tried to pass it off as 11 games.Moore has rushed for 707 yards in his 11 pro starts (appx 63 ypg).
My bad you are correct.
 
Why would the Vikings spend the big money it would take to sign Alexander when they have bigger needs on the other side of the ball or the O-line. I know everybody is down on M. Moore saying he is soft blah, blah, blah about 95% of the injury talk came from Tice not exactly a reliable source. Moore has rushed for 1041 yards in his 11 pro starts with a healthy 4.7 yard average. Not exactly shoddy numbers. Granted he only has one rushing TD during that time but that is a product of the system. I just don't see why they would spend huge money or make a change when they have a potentially good RB. By the way the guy is good in the passing game as well
I think the Vikings could be in salary cap trouble, but not of the normal sort. This could be the 2nd year in a row the Vikings have to spent a good chunk of money to get to the salary cap floor (minimum).Just thinking out loud.

 
For those not following the CBA thread, apparently the NFL is in talks with the NFLPA in regards to delaying the Free Agency period from March to April; therefore giving the Seahawks another month to iron out a contract with Alexander.

 
Move Winfield to safety, resign B. Williams and, coupled with Smoot and Sharper, roll with that. The D-line should only improve (maybe start grooming a replacement for Pat Williams). Get one, two or three new LB's (Derek Smith from SF, Witherspoon from CAR) and the defense should be in the top 1/3 of the league.

**Please note: Player name spelling is a best-guess**

 
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Why would the Vikings spend the big money it would take to sign Alexander when they have bigger needs on the other side of the ball or the O-line. I know everybody is down on M. Moore saying he is soft blah, blah, blah about 95% of the injury talk came from Tice not exactly a reliable source. Moore has rushed for 1041 yards in his 11 pro starts with a healthy 4.7 yard average. Not exactly shoddy numbers. Granted he only has one rushing TD during that time but that is a product of the system. I just don't see why they would spend huge money or make a change when they have a potentially good RB. By the way the guy is good in the passing game as well
I think the Vikings could be in salary cap trouble, but not of the normal sort. This could be the 2nd year in a row the Vikings have to spent a good chunk of money to get to the salary cap floor (minimum).Just thinking out loud.
We are so far under the cap we have to sign 8-9 guys to get to cap hell with all the contracts beening backloaded.Last I check Rob B. Does not work that way.

Smart thing to do ..

RB = Edge 4 mill roster this year and 3 Millon Roster next year (When Vikings will be 20-25 M under the cap again) (Spliting the Roster Bouns Portects Ziggy)

OL= Sign 2 Even with Roster bounes of 5 M it's only going to bring down to 11 M free room

LB Peterson or Witherspoon 2 M roster this year and 4 Mill roster next year (Still 9 Millon under the cap and 13-18 M under next year)

S = Hard hitting Safty in the Draft

With the 9 Milon left sign Robison/ Burly and Rookies...

I don't even think there 2 OL guys out there command 5 Mill roster bouns. So there even more cap room. If there where not other teams out there with ton room also I could vikings signing Peterson and witherspoon to team up with cowart..

Talk about moving on up in the Def ranks!

That LB core with fast impoving Front line would be very good start to very good Defense. If you put in Power run game to eat up clock .

Ever notice that good Def teams also run the ball a lot and control the clock?

 
What was Smoot's problem last year? (Other than the boat trip)

Did the camp injury and the broken collarbone really affect him that much? Will he bounce back this year and be the top talent we expected?

 
Why would the Vikings spend the big money it would take to sign Alexander when they have bigger needs on the other side of the ball or the O-line. I know everybody is down on M. Moore saying he is soft blah, blah, blah about 95% of the injury talk came from Tice not exactly a reliable source. Moore has rushed for 1041 yards in his 11 pro starts with a healthy 4.7 yard average. Not exactly shoddy numbers. Granted he only has one rushing TD during that time but that is a product of the system. I just don't see why they would spend huge money or make a change when they have a potentially good RB. By the way the guy is good in the passing game as well
I think the Vikings could be in salary cap trouble, but not of the normal sort. This could be the 2nd year in a row the Vikings have to spent a good chunk of money to get to the salary cap floor (minimum).Just thinking out loud.
We are so far under the cap we have to sign 8-9 guys to get to cap hell with all the contracts beening backloaded.Last I check Rob B. Does not work that way.

Smart thing to do ..

RB = Edge 4 mill roster this year and 3 Millon Roster next year (When Vikings will be 20-25 M under the cap again) (Spliting the Roster Bouns Portects Ziggy)

OL= Sign 2 Even with Roster bounes of 5 M it's only going to bring down to 11 M free room

LB Peterson or Witherspoon 2 M roster this year and 4 Mill roster next year (Still 9 Millon under the cap and 13-18 M under next year)

S = Hard hitting Safty in the Draft

With the 9 Milon left sign Robison/ Burly and Rookies...

I don't even think there 2 OL guys out there command 5 Mill roster bouns. So there even more cap room. If there where not other teams out there with ton room also I could vikings signing Peterson and witherspoon to team up with cowart..

Talk about moving on up in the Def ranks!

That LB core with fast impoving Front line would be very good start to very good Defense. If you put in Power run game to eat up clock .

Ever notice that good Def teams also run the ball a lot and control the clock?
I wouldn't make any sense to front-load every new contract or spend money for the sake of spending it. Most teams would love to be in the Vikes position (cap-wise) but they still need to pay as close to fair market value for free agents as possible and still leave room in case of a key injury.
 

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