Vikings want Alexander (1 Viewer)

[tietzjd]

I wouldn't make any sense to front-load every new contract or spend money for the sake of spending it. Most teams would love to be in the Vikes position (cap-wise) but they still need to pay as close to fair market value for free agents as possible and still leave room in case of a key injury.

No you don't need to front load every contract. But if Ziggy has the $$ and want stay 15+ M under the cap each year. So you can get 1 or more Key FA's a year way not front load the contracts?

 

[Texasmouth]

Is there a team in the NFL that doesn't want a pro bowl, NFL leading rusher?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Is there a team in the NFL that doesn't want a pro bowl, NFL leading rusher?

Those unwilling to pay for one.

 

[Texasmouth]

Is there a team in the NFL that doesn't want a pro bowl, NFL leading rusher?

Those unwilling to pay for one.

well, the title of the thread is Vikings want Alexander. Seems to me that everyone "wants" Alexander....

 

[BlueOnion]

I wouldn't make any sense to front-load every new contract or spend money for the sake of spending it. Most teams would love to be in the Vikes position (cap-wise) but they still need to pay as close to fair market value for free agents as possible and still leave room in case of a key injury.

Actually front-loading contracts with a roster bonus creates future cap space, front-loading contracts with a signing bonus absorbs future cap money.

 

[Wreckincrew]

I wouldn't make any sense to front-load every new contract or spend money for the sake of spending it. Most teams would love to be in the Vikes position (cap-wise) but they still need to pay as close to fair market value for free agents as possible and still leave room in case of a key injury.

Actually front-loading contracts with a roster bonus creates future cap space, front-loading contracts with a signing bonus absorbs future cap money.

True, but to spend up to the cap, even with the front loading of contracts (see: Smoot, Sharper, etc...), does not leave them with any wiggle room. The second round of free agents (players released after June 1 I believe) usually has a few plums and to have maxed out the 2006-07 cap in the first phase is short-sighted.

 

[BlueOnion]

I wouldn't make any sense to front-load every new contract or spend money for the sake of spending it. Most teams would love to be in the Vikes position (cap-wise) but they still need to pay as close to fair market value for free agents as possible and still leave room in case of a key injury.

Actually front-loading contracts with a roster bonus creates future cap space, front-loading contracts with a signing bonus absorbs future cap money.

True, but to spend up to the cap, even with the front loading of contracts (see: Smoot, Sharper, etc...), does not leave them with any wiggle room. The second round of free agents (players released after June 1 I believe) usually has a few plums and to have maxed out the 2006-07 cap in the first phase is short-sighted.

I don't know about Sharper's contract numbers, but Smoot's salary cap number drops about 10 million from 2005 to 2006.

 

[Two Deep]

Why would the Vikings spend the big money it would take to sign Alexander when they have bigger needs on the other side of the ball or the O-line. I know everybody is down on M. Moore saying he is soft blah, blah, blah about 95% of the injury talk came from Tice not exactly a reliable source. Moore has rushed for 1041 yards in his 11 pro starts with a healthy 4.7 yard average. Not exactly shoddy numbers. Granted he only has one rushing TD during that time but that is a product of the system. I just don't see why they would spend huge money or make a change when they have a potentially good RB. By the way the guy is good in the passing game as well

It seems like the Pioneer Press is monitoring my postsThe Pioneer Press reports with regard to free agents the Vikings should target from other teams, Philadelphia Eagles OT Jon Runyan would be a good fit because he has played under new HC Brad Childress. And while RB Shaun Alexander is the marquee running back among free agents, the Vikings already have a back suited for Childress' West Coast offense. It's RB Mewelde Moore. He can run. He can catch. The question is, can he stay healthy? If Childress isn't convinced Moore can avoid game-robbing injuries, then he'd better find a running back through free agency or the draft. And while he's at it, a couple of speedy linebackers would help, too.

 

[cstu]

Why would the Vikings spend the big money it would take to sign Alexander when they have bigger needs on the other side of the ball or the O-line. I know everybody is down on M. Moore saying he is soft blah, blah, blah about 95% of the injury talk came from Tice not exactly a reliable source. Moore has rushed for 1041 yards in his 11 pro starts with a healthy 4.7 yard average. Not exactly shoddy numbers. Granted he only has one rushing TD during that time but that is a product of the system. I just don't see why they would spend huge money or make a change when they have a potentially good RB. By the way the guy is good in the passing game as well

It seems like the Pioneer Press is monitoring my postsThe Pioneer Press reports with regard to free agents the Vikings should target from other teams, Philadelphia Eagles OT Jon Runyan would be a good fit because he has played under new HC Brad Childress. And while RB Shaun Alexander is the marquee running back among free agents, the Vikings already have a back suited for Childress' West Coast offense. It's RB Mewelde Moore. He can run. He can catch. The question is, can he stay healthy? If Childress isn't convinced Moore can avoid game-robbing injuries, then he'd better find a running back through free agency or the draft. And while he's at it, a couple of speedy linebackers would help, too.

Runyan would be a much smarter acquisition.

 

[Wreckincrew]

I wouldn't make any sense to front-load every new contract or spend money for the sake of spending it. Most teams would love to be in the Vikes position (cap-wise) but they still need to pay as close to fair market value for free agents as possible and still leave room in case of a key injury.

Actually front-loading contracts with a roster bonus creates future cap space, front-loading contracts with a signing bonus absorbs future cap money.

True, but to spend up to the cap, even with the front loading of contracts (see: Smoot, Sharper, etc...), does not leave them with any wiggle room. The second round of free agents (players released after June 1 I believe) usually has a few plums and to have maxed out the 2006-07 cap in the first phase is short-sighted.

I don't know about Sharper's contract numbers, but Smoot's salary cap number drops about 10 million from 2005 to 2006.

Exactly, that is what "front loaded" means. I agree that it makes good cap sense, but disagree with the way tietzjd has laid out every penny to pending free agents without regard to signing draft picks or phase 2 free agents. Target two or three guys that really fill needs and are asking for the right amount of money but keep an eye on the future. In other words, use your excellent cap position wisely.

 

[BlueOnion]

Exactly, that is what "front loaded" means.

I agree that it makes good cap sense, but disagree with the way tietzjd has laid out every penny to pending free agents without regard to signing draft picks or phase 2 free agents. Target two or three guys that really fill needs and are asking for the right amount of money but keep an eye on the future. In other words, use your excellent cap position wisely.

I agree in the sense that Minnesota should not spent as much as possible for the sake of spending. But spending the money with a roster bonus would actually create space in the future. For instance, if Minnesota signed Ray Lewis and Shaun Alexander to 5-year contracts at 200K a year, giving each a 10 million roster bonus this year, these two players cap number would be 24 million this year. Next year (the future as you put it), the cap number for Ray Lewis and Shaun Alexnader (combined) would drop 19 million to a combined cap number of 5 million; thus creating 19 million more in cap space for next season.I do acknowledge that your primary point of contention is that Minnesota should not spend for the sake of spending, they should still try to get the most bang for their buck.

 

[tietzjd]

Exactly, that is what "front loaded" means.

I agree that it makes good cap sense, but disagree with the way tietzjd has laid out every penny to pending free agents without regard to signing draft picks or phase 2 free agents. Target two or three guys that really fill needs and are asking for the right amount of money but keep an eye on the future. In other words, use your excellent cap position wisely.

I agree in the sense that Minnesota should not spent as much as possible for the sake of spending. But spending the money with a roster bonus would actually create space in the future. For instance, if Minnesota signed Ray Lewis and Shaun Alexander to 5-year contracts at 200K a year, giving each a 10 million roster bonus this year, these two players cap number would be 24 million this year. Next year (the future as you put it), the cap number for Ray Lewis and Shaun Alexnader (combined) would drop 19 million to a combined cap number of 5 million; thus creating 19 million more in cap space for next season.I do acknowledge that your primary point of contention is that Minnesota should not spend for the sake of spending, they should still try to get the most bang for their buck.

Guess next time I should say for Example so people don't take what I say as so literary and can't just get the just of what I am tiring to say.Just saying they can sign RB, LB, LB, OL, OL in FA both in March and June with out going in to Cap hell. Last time I use specific names.

On Side Note going PIMP ZIGGY today for putting 1 Billion in Anoka county with no grantee that county will pay for stadium.

 

[BlueOnion]

On Side Note going PIMP ZIGGY today for putting 1 Billion in Anoka county with no grantee that county will pay for stadium.

Do you have a link for this, I would like to read it.

 

[corpcow]

Lets not forget the Dolphins might trade us Ricky Williams for a half a 7th round pick.

How about Ricky to the Steelers?

 

[The Hank]

Lets not forget the Dolphins might trade us Ricky Williams for a half a 7th round pick.

How about Ricky to the Steelers?

No way the Rooneys would tolerate him, the couldnt even stand Plaxico.

 

[reg]

On Side Note going PIMP ZIGGY today for putting 1 Billion in Anoka county with no grantee that county will pay for stadium. 

Do you have a link for this, I would like to read it.

I think he is referring to this:

During a county hearing scheduled for Thursday, the Vikings are expected to release details of owner Zygi Wilf's $1 billion plan to develop land around his proposed stadium in Anoka County.

Wilf and the county recently extended their memorandum of understanding for building and operating a $675 million stadium in Blaine. That agreement includes a financing package; the Vikings/NFL would contribute $280 million, the county would raise $280 million and the state would provide $115 million in infrastructure improvements.

Wilf has met recently with Gov. Tim Pawlenty, and the team hopes to schedule a financial workshop with members of his office. The team soon will launch a major advertising campaign and remains hopeful that the Legislature will consider its financing bill this spring.

http://www.startribune.com/510/story/245243.htmlI haven't heard anything where he is going to dump 1billion into anyplace without getting a stadium.

 

[tietzjd]

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/s...rs/13874607.htm

It's walters so I still little

During a county hearing scheduled for Thursday, the Vikings are expected to release details of owner Zygi Wilf's $1 billion plan to develop land around his proposed stadium in Anoka County.

Wilf and the county recently extended their memorandum of understanding for building and operating a $675 million stadium in Blaine. That agreement includes a financing package; the Vikings/NFL would contribute $280 million, the county would raise $280 million and the state would provide $115 million in infrastructure improvements.

Wilf has met recently with Gov. Tim Pawlenty, and the team hopes to schedule a financial workshop with members of his office. The team soon will launch a major advertising campaign and remains hopeful that the Legislature will consider its financing bill this spring.

The way Charlie states it there is no Stadium in the works. Because he does not want to jeopardize the Twins or Gophers plan. Even if there was and State/County give 395 Millon for 1 Billon complex that draw many job's to the Anoka area is pretty good deal.

Vikings owner Zygi Wilf was in town Tuesday preparing for Thursday's informational meeting with the Blaine City Council, which will hear details of his plan for more than $1 billion in private development.

Wilf's development plan includes shops and restaurants, residences, offices, small businesses, Vikings corporate offices, a team hall of fame, a hotel and a medical facility that would be in use year-round.

) The Vikings remain uninterested in a stadium referendum. Among reasons, they say, is that it could kill chances for a Twins ballpark as well as a football stadium. Wilf remains strongly in favor of three new stadiums — one for the football Gophers as well.

 

[Franknbeans]

-- Shaun Alexander Expected to Hit the Free Agent Market --

Sat Feb 18, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Seattle Times reports Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander, who was the team's franchise player last season, playing for $6.32 million, is expected to hit the free agent market. His one-year deal last year included a stipulation that the team could not franchise him again. Alexander is in search of a multi-year contract that will pay him upwards of $20 million in guaranteed bonuses. Free agency is scheduled to begin March 3, but reports indicate it could be pushed back to April 1 if the NFL and players' union make significant progress on a new collective-bargaining agreement in the next two weeks. The current CBA expires after the 2007 season, but there is urgency to reach a new deal because 2006 is the final year with a salary cap and will present problems for teams and players trying to reach big-money agreements. The most significant issues would be the four-year limit for prorating signing bonuses and a 30 percent cap on yearly salary increases.

 

[Sinrman]

*shaking my head at Viking fans wanting to give away a QB who has had TWO 40+ TD seasons* 

Think we should draft another Troy Williamson with that pick? 

I still like the Williamson pick. From what I saw when he could get on the field, he looked explosive. Hard to fault the guy for sharing a roster with Nate Burleson, Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson and Koren Robinson. Those are 4 refined wide receivers who may not be pro bowl caliber players, but are legit NFL starters.

Well, being a Lions fan, I was surprised by this pick when it occurred. I, and MANY others, felt Mike Williams would go to the Vikings. But the passed him, and my team picked him.