Off-field incidents don't affect on-field games/performances. If I want to see a good football game, I just want to see the most skilled players out there in the game. Whether a player kicks his dog or has 400 arrests or hasn't showered in 4 years doesn't have a substantial impact on his on-field performance, which is the primary focus of our attention as fans. I would rather know nothing about players' personal lives, because unless it bleeds over into their performance and negatively affects the games, it's fundamentally irrelevant to us as sports fans.I find EG's vilification of Burfict odd. His on the field actions are questionable at best, but they're still on the field actions. Isn't it much harder to root for Ben or ADP or Hardy knowing what we know? Those are real life malicious actions.
This. They're not my friends, I just want to see good football.Off-field incidents don't affect on-field games/performances. If I want to see a good football game, I just want to see the most skilled players out there in the game. Whether a player kicks his dog or has 400 arrests or hasn't showered in 4 years doesn't have a substantial impact on his on-field performance, which is the primary focus of our attention as fans. I would rather know nothing about players' personal lives, because unless it bleeds over into their performance and negatively affects the games, it's fundamentally irrelevant to us as sports fans.I find EG's vilification of Burfict odd. His on the field actions are questionable at best, but they're still on the field actions. Isn't it much harder to root for Ben or ADP or Hardy knowing what we know? Those are real life malicious actions.
I'm a homer, but I'm also a realist. Roethlisberger, if he can even play, is going to be a shadow of himself. I have no idea what is going to happen with Antonio. Williams is going to be out again. Rolling out a "JV" offense against the league's #1 defense on the road is not likely to end well.Burfict should be suspended for a whole season.
Not buying this "the Steelers have no shot against the Broncos" malarkey.
Den 24Evilgrin 72 said:Take three first team All-NFL players (and quite possibly a HOF-bound QB as well) off any team's offense and what do you think the result will be? I know, I know - next man up ! Right.Ministry of Pain said:excuses excuses excuses
I guess your team should have taken care of business in week 17. But alas - they also do not belong in the playoffs.Fariq said:I have already lost by having to watch this team for a second week in a row. They shouldn't have even made the playoffs.Evilgrin 72 said:NFL Fans - At the beginning of the year, the thought of seeing Roethlisberger, Bell, and Antonio rolling into Denver on fire to face the Broncos' vaunted defense and Peyton Manning was a delicious proposition to fans of exciting football. Now, we're either going to have Landry Jones or a Ben Roethlisberger with a separated shoulder chucking it to the likes of Darrius Heyward-Bey and Fitz Toussaint. NFL fans in general are big losers here.
I get what you are saying, but Peyton Manning is pretty much done, so God only knows what will happen with the Broncos offense. He still has his moments, but there is no way of knowing when they will happen, if at all.I'm a homer, but I'm also a realist. Roethlisberger, if he can even play, is going to be a shadow of himself. I have no idea what is going to happen with Antonio. Williams is going to be out again. Rolling out a "JV" offense against the league's #1 defense on the road is not likely to end well.Burfict should be suspended for a whole season.
Not buying this "the Steelers have no shot against the Broncos" malarkey.
Yeah I doubt that. Denver had a total of 3 double digit wins this year. I don't think their offense is good enough to win by double digits.without brown and a banged up roeth they don't. denver wins by double digits.Burfict should be suspended for a whole season.
Not buying this "the Steelers have no shot against the Broncos" malarkey.
Exactly. I don't care how bad the Steelers offense is. They were pretty bad for most of the game against Cincy as well and still had a 15-0 lead for 3 quarters. The reason being that Cincy's offense was completely inept. I would not be surprised if Denver's offense looks just as inept. We're probably looking at a 20-17 type game here.I get what you are saying, but Peyton Manning is pretty much done, so God only knows what will happen with the Broncos offense. He still has his moments, but there is no way of knowing when they will happen, if at all.I'm a homer, but I'm also a realist. Roethlisberger, if he can even play, is going to be a shadow of himself. I have no idea what is going to happen with Antonio. Williams is going to be out again. Rolling out a "JV" offense against the league's #1 defense on the road is not likely to end well.Burfict should be suspended for a whole season.
Not buying this "the Steelers have no shot against the Broncos" malarkey.
I'm banking on bad Manning to show up. I don't think it's a stretch to think that Manning is not the QB he was even 2 years ago. No the Steelers don't have anyone who can cover DT (few teams do). However, someone has to be able to get the ball to DT. As bad as the Steelers D has been this year, they have done a good job of getting pressure on QBs. They may actually match up well against an immobile QB like Manning.Pitt has to hope bad Manning shows up and their Defense continues to play above their heads.
Otherwise, no chance with all the skill position injuries on offense. And do they have anyone who can cover DT?
Peyton is certainly the x factor. With a full strength Ben and AB (or at least at what passes for full strength this time of year) and DeAngelo, I'd call this a pick 'em, even in Denver. As is.. Yikes. I think the Broncos win by double digits easily.I get what you are saying, but Peyton Manning is pretty much done, so God only knows what will happen with the Broncos offense. He still has his moments, but there is no way of knowing when they will happen, if at all.I'm a homer, but I'm also a realist. Roethlisberger, if he can even play, is going to be a shadow of himself. I have no idea what is going to happen with Antonio. Williams is going to be out again. Rolling out a "JV" offense against the league's #1 defense on the road is not likely to end well.Burfict should be suspended for a whole season.
Not buying this "the Steelers have no shot against the Broncos" malarkey.
No. Nor Emmanuel Sanders. Luckily, Vernon Davis about covers himself.Pitt has to hope bad Manning shows up and their Defense continues to play above their heads.
Otherwise, no chance with all the skill position injuries on offense. And do they have anyone who can cover DT?
Yes, they don't but neither do the Steelers. I don't even like Wild Card teams to begin with.I guess your team should have taken care of business in week 17. But alas - they also do not belong in the playoffs.Fariq said:I have already lost by having to watch this team for a second week in a row. They shouldn't have even made the playoffs.Evilgrin 72 said:NFL Fans - At the beginning of the year, the thought of seeing Roethlisberger, Bell, and Antonio rolling into Denver on fire to face the Broncos' vaunted defense and Peyton Manning was a delicious proposition to fans of exciting football. Now, we're either going to have Landry Jones or a Ben Roethlisberger with a separated shoulder chucking it to the likes of Darrius Heyward-Bey and Fitz Toussaint. NFL fans in general are big losers here.
There's a reason ben was not prosecuted in the two gray area incidents youre alluding to. Hes not obsolved of guilt and or poor judgement but in terms of real life scumbag meter itsI find EG's vilification of Burfict odd. His on the field actions are questionable at best, but they're still on the field actions. Isn't it much harder to root for Ben or ADP or Hardy knowing what we know? Those are real life malicious actions.
Yeah, how will they scrape by on the other 2.3 mill?tone1oc said:$534K is a whole lotta food.. Not that his family would be in squalor, but losing out on that kind of money will be impactful.Neofight said:Yep, one would think. Still have to consider that he may not be smart enough to save. But again, choice is his.Dezbelief said:His family will be just fine, he'll still be able to pay bills and put food on the table.Neofight said:This is a valid point. One that should be pointed out to Burfict the next time he laces them up, before the head-hunting, ankle-twisting, spearing and other assorted bad decisions begin. Choice is his.tone1oc said:For anyone who didn't vote his family, consider this..
If his suspension is upheld, he will lose 3 game checks of his base salary of 2.85M. At 178K a pop that equals 534K or nearly 20% of his income for 2016. Factoring in risk of injury, boneheadedness, avg career span, that is an even larger chunk of money for him and his family to go without.
If the legal system is your gauge of such things, remember that Hardy's case was dismissed upon appeal. Only, ADP of the three was convicted.There's a reason ben was not prosecuted in the two gray area incidents youre alluding to. Hes not obsolved of guilt and or poor judgement but in terms of real life scumbag meter itsI find EG's vilification of Burfict odd. His on the field actions are questionable at best, but they're still on the field actions. Isn't it much harder to root for Ben or ADP or Hardy knowing what we know? Those are real life malicious actions.
Hardy>>>>>>>adp>>ben.
Ben was suspended from the league for providing under-age girls with drinks. Since that time all records and public reports say he has turned his life around. Hardy was suspended for a whole lot worse, and all evidence points to him learning and changing very little.If the legal system is your gauge of such things, remember that Hardy's case was dismissed upon appeal. Only, ADP of the three was convicted.There's a reason ben was not prosecuted in the two gray area incidents youre alluding to. Hes not obsolved of guilt and or poor judgement but in terms of real life scumbag meter itsHardy>>>>>>>adp>>ben.I find EG's vilification of Burfict odd. His on the field actions are questionable at best, but they're still on the field actions. Isn't it much harder to root for Ben or ADP or Hardy knowing what we know? Those are real life malicious actions.
I would bet money that all that will happen.Ben is playing against Denver. Brown will be playing too. And, the Steelers are going to win.
If only there was a way to accomplish this......I would bet money that all that will happen.Ben is playing against Denver. Brown will be playing too. And, the Steelers are going to win.
Ah yeah, Conrad Dobler... he was a dirty rotten pr### too.All you girls need to report to Principal Conrad Dobler's office.
The gauge is the laugh test. Hardy nearly killed a woman. Adp made a 4 year olds sac bleed. Ben had sex with 2 women, one alleged assault and quickly settled and one alleged assaullt and it was thrown out of court.If the legal system is your gauge of such things, remember that Hardy's case was dismissed upon appeal. Only, ADP of the three was convicted.There's a reason ben was not prosecuted in the two gray area incidents youre alluding to. Hes not obsolved of guilt and or poor judgement but in terms of real life scumbag meter itsHardy>>>>>>>adp>>ben.I find EG's vilification of Burfict odd. His on the field actions are questionable at best, but they're still on the field actions. Isn't it much harder to root for Ben or ADP or Hardy knowing what we know? Those are real life malicious actions.
I watched all 5+ minutes of Lawrence Taylor's greatest hits and one thing struck me. He never used his helmet as a weapon. Every tackle was arms and shoulders first. He may have hurt some people but he was not a head hunter. Burfict is deliberately trying to injure other players. And he isn't the only one doing so. Somewhere along the way the culture of playing defense has changed and it is hurting the game. It is a shame that some of the last eight teams playing for the Championship are doing it with their survivors rather than all their stars.
I dunno....Don't these world class athletes tend to be so good that they sort of see things in slow motion, ala The Matrix? Their ability to see, recognize, and react is partly what makes them able to play at that elite level. Burfict should have been able to see the ball as sailed past and immediately let up on his trajectory. I don't buy that he can't stop himself or that he's unaware of the ball position.I do not care if he is suspended or not but you don`t choose in a split second.Neofight, on 12 Jan 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:
Dude had plenty of time to see that the ball sailed by Brown and pull up. He chose not to.Da Guru, on 12 Jan 2016 - 12:45 PM, said:
In reality even Tomlin said at game speed it is tough to pull back on a hit in progress. Has the ball been caught and Burfict has to assume it will be the hit would have been square in the chest area. The defender has 1/8 of a second to continue or pull back. It is almost impossible. The problem with replay is that they show it in slow motion or frame by frame. Of course it looks much worse than at regular speed.Evilgrin 72, on 12 Jan 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:
Evilgrin 72, on 12 Jan 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:
Sure, but you're not going to watch Burfict play anymore this year. Or the first three games of next year. You enjoy watching the Landry Jones to Darrius Heyward-Bey high wire act? You didn't want to see these teams both healthy and battling it out next Sunday? It might have been an all-time classic. Now we get.......well..........this.Da Guru, on 12 Jan 2016 - 12:29 PM, said:
Da Guru, on 12 Jan 2016 - 12:29 PM, said:
#5. Does not affect anyone....I like watching guys like Bufict, Suh, James Harrison play.
Burfict plays balls out and like Suh is a target. When Bell was injured this year that was on a legal hit yet all the Steelers were complaining and that puts a bigger target on the back.
Yeah, taking away perhaps the best WR in football isnt that big of a deal. Especially after losing arguably the best RB weapon in football and his backup who was performing at a pro bowl level.The loss of Brown is huge, we all know that, but let's not act like the Steelers are bereft of pass catchers elsewhere. Martavis Bryant, Marcus Wheaton and Heath Miller are all legit pass catching weapons. Not having Brown to free them up more is obviously a major factor, but acting like DHB will be their best weapon out there is overstating their plight a bit, I think.
Every team deals with injuries. It's time to stop crying about it.Yeah, taking away perhaps the best WR in football isnt that big of a deal. Especially after losing arguably the best RB weapon in football and his backup who was performing at a pro bowl level.If Demaryius was out and the Steelers could double Sanders, it wouldn't be that big of a deal for the Broncos, would it?The loss of Brown is huge, we all know that, but let's not act like the Steelers are bereft of pass catchers elsewhere. Martavis Bryant, Marcus Wheaton and Heath Miller are all legit pass catching weapons. Not having Brown to free them up more is obviously a major factor, but acting like DHB will be their best weapon out there is overstating their plight a bit, I think.
Is putting words in the mouthes of others something you do regularly?Yeah, taking away perhaps the best WR in football isnt that big of a deal. Especially after losing arguably the best RB weapon in football and his backup who was performing at a pro bowl level.The loss of Brown is huge, we all know that, but let's not act like the Steelers are bereft of pass catchers elsewhere. Martavis Bryant, Marcus Wheaton and Heath Miller are all legit pass catching weapons. Not having Brown to free them up more is obviously a major factor, but acting like DHB will be their best weapon out there is overstating their plight a bit, I think.
If Demaryius was out and the Steelers could double Sanders, it wouldn't be that big of a deal for the Broncos, would it?
Shazier was the one using his helmet as a weapon. Burfict led with his shoulder.I watched all 5+ minutes of Lawrence Taylor's greatest hits and one thing struck me. He never used his helmet as a weapon. Every tackle was arms and shoulders first. He may have hurt some people but he was not a head hunter. Burfict is deliberately trying to injure other players. And he isn't the only one doing so. Somewhere along the way the culture of playing defense has changed and it is hurting the game. It is a shame that some of the last eight teams playing for the Championship are doing it with their survivors rather than all their stars.
DHB is the one who will be replacing Brown for the most part. If they move Wheaton outside, Bey and/or Sammie Coates will take his place in the slot.The loss of Brown is huge, we all know that, but let's not act like the Steelers are bereft of pass catchers elsewhere. Martavis Bryant, Marcus Wheaton and Heath Miller are all legit pass catching weapons. Not having Brown to free them up more is obviously a major factor, but acting like DHB will be their best weapon out there is overstating their plight a bit, I think.
Nope and I wasn't there either. For you to say the Steelers have other pass catchers that can get the job done sounds like it's minimizing the effect Brown's absense will have. It's not overstating their plight, as you say. It's as much of a blow as missing Ben would be because it hurts both the running game and weakens the Steelers at their top 3 WR spots.Is putting words in the mouthes of others something you do regularly?Yeah, taking away perhaps the best WR in football isnt that big of a deal. Especially after losing arguably the best RB weapon in football and his backup who was performing at a pro bowl level.If Demaryius was out and the Steelers could double Sanders, it wouldn't be that big of a deal for the Broncos, would it?The loss of Brown is huge, we all know that, but let's not act like the Steelers are bereft of pass catchers elsewhere. Martavis Bryant, Marcus Wheaton and Heath Miller are all legit pass catching weapons. Not having Brown to free them up more is obviously a major factor, but acting like DHB will be their best weapon out there is overstating their plight a bit, I think.
True.Every team deals with injuries. It's time to stop crying about it.Yeah, taking away perhaps the best WR in football isnt that big of a deal. Especially after losing arguably the best RB weapon in football and his backup who was performing at a pro bowl level.If Demaryius was out and the Steelers could double Sanders, it wouldn't be that big of a deal for the Broncos, would it?The loss of Brown is huge, we all know that, but let's not act like the Steelers are bereft of pass catchers elsewhere. Martavis Bryant, Marcus Wheaton and Heath Miller are all legit pass catching weapons. Not having Brown to free them up more is obviously a major factor, but acting like DHB will be their best weapon out there is overstating their plight a bit, I think.
I didn't say he led with his head. but it makes no difference - he went for Brown's head. Don't even try to defend him. The guy has been fined SIX times this year for dirty play. .Shazier was the one using his helmet as a weapon. Burfict led with his shoulder.I watched all 5+ minutes of Lawrence Taylor's greatest hits and one thing struck me. He never used his helmet as a weapon. Every tackle was arms and shoulders first. He may have hurt some people but he was not a head hunter. Burfict is deliberately trying to injure other players. And he isn't the only one doing so. Somewhere along the way the culture of playing defense has changed and it is hurting the game. It is a shame that some of the last eight teams playing for the Championship are doing it with their survivors rather than all their stars.
I said the loss of Brown was huge. HUGE. Perhaps you missed that. Saying they have other legit pass catchers is simply pointing out that the cupboard is not totally bare.Nope and I wasn't there either. For you to say the Steelers have other pass catchers that can get the job done sounds like it's minimizing the effect Brown's absense will have. It's not overstating their plight, as you say. It's as much of a blow as missing Ben would be because it hurts both the running game and weakens the Steelers at their top 3 WR spots.Is putting words in the mouthes of others something you do regularly?Yeah, taking away perhaps the best WR in football isnt that big of a deal. Especially after losing arguably the best RB weapon in football and his backup who was performing at a pro bowl level.If Demaryius was out and the Steelers could double Sanders, it wouldn't be that big of a deal for the Broncos, would it?The loss of Brown is huge, we all know that, but let's not act like the Steelers are bereft of pass catchers elsewhere. Martavis Bryant, Marcus Wheaton and Heath Miller are all legit pass catching weapons. Not having Brown to free them up more is obviously a major factor, but acting like DHB will be their best weapon out there is overstating their plight a bit, I think.
I agree with you and it's why I've been saying all along that this is a winnable game for the Steelers. The AB injury is definitely huge but this game will come down to which Manning we see and whether or not Ben is healthy. If Manning plays great, Steelers weren't going to win with or without AB. If Ben can't throw the ball 20 yards, the Steelers also were not going to win with or without AB. I think the Steelers can get pressure on Manning so we'll see if he's up for the challenge. If Manning lays an egg, the Steelers offense should be able to do enough to win the game.I said the loss of Brown was huge. HUGE. Perhaps you missed that. Saying they have other legit pass catchers is simply pointing out that the cupboard is not totally bare.Nope and I wasn't there either. For you to say the Steelers have other pass catchers that can get the job done sounds like it's minimizing the effect Brown's absense will have. It's not overstating their plight, as you say. It's as much of a blow as missing Ben would be because it hurts both the running game and weakens the Steelers at their top 3 WR spots.Is putting words in the mouthes of others something you do regularly?Yeah, taking away perhaps the best WR in football isnt that big of a deal. Especially after losing arguably the best RB weapon in football and his backup who was performing at a pro bowl level.If Demaryius was out and the Steelers could double Sanders, it wouldn't be that big of a deal for the Broncos, would it?The loss of Brown is huge, we all know that, but let's not act like the Steelers are bereft of pass catchers elsewhere. Martavis Bryant, Marcus Wheaton and Heath Miller are all legit pass catching weapons. Not having Brown to free them up more is obviously a major factor, but acting like DHB will be their best weapon out there is overstating their plight a bit, I think.
I guess we found out that the title of the thread is incorrect.
Denver wins because of Burfict.