Wait? I can't bring my AR-15 in with me to Chili's? (1 Viewer)

[igbomb]

The folks who don't feel the need to carry a gun on their hip in preparation for the minuscule chance that some thug will try to accost you in public are the frightened ones.

Do you have homeowners insurance? An alarm system on your home or car?

Are you suggesting these things are the same?

 

[pantagrapher]

The folks who don't feel the need to carry a gun on their hip in preparation for the minuscule chance that some thug will try to accost you in public are the frightened ones.

Do you have homeowners insurance? An alarm system on your home or car?

Flawless analogy.

 

[[icon]]

So you suggest that it's reasonable to bring your rifle into a restaurant, half a dozen people immediately tell you that's absurd, yet we're the odd ones? You're delusional.

1) I made it abundantly clear early in the thread I thought these guys were idiots for publicly carrying a long rifle into a restaurant.

2) I made it abundantly clear that there was little reason to ever bring one in... however I went out of my way to hypothetically draw up a scenario in which one might be compelled to bring a rifle into a resturant for the sole purpose of how to most respectfully/safely do so.

And if disagreeing with mob mentality on this board was grounds for being delusional, this world is in deep trouble. I'll drop the term "selection bias" at the door for you to chew on for a minute.

 

[johnnycakes]

There is no responsible way to carry an assault rifle in public... It creates unnecessary fear amongst people just going about their business. You go to the range, bring your case... That way if you want to stop and eat, lock it up, put it in your trunk and go about your business.

And if your vehicle doesn't have a trunk?

You should do the same thing any other person would do if they go somewhere with something of value they can't store somewhere- go home first or make other arrangements and stop acting like an entitled baby.

I'm acting like an entitled baby because I politely and discreetly asked the manager to temporarily store a legal item for me while I patronized his establishment?



Odd duck, you are...

At least in MA, it would be illegal for the manager to take control of a long gun unless he himself had an FID card or an LTC.

 

[TobiasFunke]

There is no responsible way to carry an assault rifle in public... It creates unnecessary fear amongst people just going about their business. You go to the range, bring your case... That way if you want to stop and eat, lock it up, put it in your trunk and go about your business.

And if your vehicle doesn't have a trunk?

You should do the same thing any other person would do if they go somewhere with something of value they can't store somewhere- go home first or make other arrangements and stop acting like an entitled baby.

I'm acting like an entitled baby because I politely and discreetly asked the manager to temporarily store a legal item for me while I patronized his establishment?



Odd duck, you are...

No, you're acting like an entitled baby because you think it's "reasonable" to expect that your request will be accommodated.

 

[butcher boy]

So you suggest that it's reasonable to bring your rifle into a restaurant, half a dozen people immediately tell you that's absurd, yet we're the odd ones? You're delusional.

1) I made it abundantly clear early in the thread I thought these guys were idiots for publicly carrying a long rifle into a restaurant.

2) I made it abundantly clear that there was little reason to ever bring one in... however I went out of my way to hypothetically draw up a scenario in which one might be compelled to bring a rifle into a resturant for the sole purpose of how to most respectfully/safely do so.

And if disagreeing with mob mentality on this board was grounds for being delusional, this world is in deep trouble. I'll drop the term "selection bias" at the door for you to chew on for a minute.

There is no reasonable scenario where one would be compelled to bring a rifle to a fast food restaurant. The option to first take it home always exists and THAT is the respectful option.

 

[Henry Ford]

So you suggest that it's reasonable to bring your rifle into a restaurant, half a dozen people immediately tell you that's absurd, yet we're the odd ones? You're delusional.

1) I made it abundantly clear early in the thread I thought these guys were idiots for publicly carrying a long rifle into a restaurant.

2) I made it abundantly clear that there was little reason to ever bring one in... however I went out of my way to hypothetically draw up a scenario in which one might be compelled to bring a rifle into a resturant for the sole purpose of how to most respectfully/safely do so.

And if disagreeing with mob mentality on this board was grounds for being delusional, this world is in deep trouble. I'll drop the term "selection bias" at the door for you to chew on for a minute.

I think everyone understands what you're saying up until this point - the fact that you forgot your locking case, you don't have a trunk, and you have no way of hiding/locking up your gun in your vehicle before stopping for a bite to eat doesn't mean everyone has to accommodate you and your gun. Quite the opposite, much like accidentally forgetting your shoes and shirt, it means you aren't going to get served.

 

[[icon]]

The folks who don't feel the need to carry a gun on their hip in preparation for the minuscule chance that some thug will try to accost you in public are the frightened ones.

Do you have homeowners insurance? An alarm system on your home or car?

Flawless analogy.

The point is, protecting oneself against a "miniscule chance" of harm is certainly not a qualifier for being "Frightened"

A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."

A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]

• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"

• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"

• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"

 

[igbomb]

So you suggest that it's reasonable to bring your rifle into a restaurant, half a dozen people immediately tell you that's absurd, yet we're the odd ones? You're delusional.

1) I made it abundantly clear early in the thread I thought these guys were idiots for publicly carrying a long rifle into a restaurant.

2) I made it abundantly clear that there was little reason to ever bring one in... however I went out of my way to hypothetically draw up a scenario in which one might be compelled to bring a rifle into a resturant for the sole purpose of how to most respectfully/safely do so.

And if disagreeing with mob mentality on this board was grounds for being delusional, this world is in deep trouble. I'll drop the term "selection bias" at the door for you to chew on for a minute.

But your scenario sucks. That's the point you seem to be missing,

 

[Arizona Ron]

 

[[icon]]

Quite the opposite, much like accidentally forgetting your shoes and shirt, it means you aren't going to get served.

Actually... pending legal posting of no firearms allowed on premises, this is actually nothing like the scenario you propose. In most states it is completely within my rights to make such a request.

Just reiterating that I have not, nor would I likely ever make such a request.... that I was merely outlining what I considered to be a reasonable manner to approach the situation.

The highly emotional personal attacks (after ignoring all the above qualifiers) by the usual suspects worked into the usual lather has certainly been entertaining though Thanks fellas

 

[Clifford]

For every long rifle you see in public, which is a miniscule scant few, there are untold numbers of people carrying concealed weapons both legally and illegally.

The story here isn't about gun rights pro or con. It's about the paralyzing fear effete urban liberals have of things outside their comfort zone.

"Ooooohhh... Big, bad, spooky rifles! Kooks! Loonies! Disarm them!"

Never mind the people right beside them packing heat of which they're never aware.

With the number of public shootings on the rise not to mention one happening just the other week, can you really not imagine how carrying a rifle into a public place these days could cause fear and is generally a bad idea?

Don't bother

 

[Clifford]

Quite the opposite, much like accidentally forgetting your shoes and shirt, it means you aren't going to get served.

Actually... pending legal posting of no firearms allowed on premises, this is actually nothing like the scenario you propose. In most states it is completely within my rights to make such a request.

Just reiterating that I have not, nor would I likely ever make such a request.... that I was merely outlining what I considered to be a reasonable manner to approach the situation.

The highly emotional personal attacks (after ignoring all the above qualifiers) by the usual suspects worked into the usual lather has certainly been entertaining though Thanks fellas

You mean everyone saying that you sound like an entitled crazy person

 

[Henry Ford]

I think everyone understands what you're saying up until this point - the fact that you forgot your locking case, you don't have a trunk, and you have no way of hiding/locking up your gun in your vehicle before stopping for a bite to eat doesn't mean everyone has to accommodate you and your gun. Quite the opposite, much like accidentally forgetting your shoes and shirt, it means you aren't going to get served.

Actually... pending legal posting of no firearms allowed on premises, this is actually nothing like the scenario you propose. In most states it is completely within my rights to make such a request.

Just reiterating that I have not, nor would I likely ever make such a request.... that I was merely outlining what I considered to be a reasonable manner to approach the situation.

The highly emotional personal attacks (after ignoring all the above qualifiers) by the usual suspects worked into the usual lather has certainly been entertaining though Thanks fellas

It's within your rights to make such a request, and it's within their rights to refuse. I don't have to have a sign posted that says "no shirt no shoes no service" in order to refuse service to half naked people without shoes on. Similarly, I don't have to accommodate your silly request that I hold your gun while you eat.

 

[Yenrub]

If I'm sitting in a Chili's (god forbid) and a dude walks in carrying an AK47, there is a very small but very real chance I jump up and stab him in the neck.

I wonder if you would get away with it in court under the stand your ground defense (assuming you actually didn't get shot 1st)

You would seem to have a fairly good defense, reasonable fear for your safety and the safety of your family

 

[butcher boy]

For every long rifle you see in public, which is a miniscule scant few, there are untold numbers of people carrying concealed weapons both legally and illegally.

The story here isn't about gun rights pro or con. It's about the paralyzing fear effete urban liberals have of things outside their comfort zone.

"Ooooohhh... Big, bad, spooky rifles! Kooks! Loonies! Disarm them!"

Never mind the people right beside them packing heat of which they're never aware.

With the number of public shootings on the rise not to mention one happening just the other week, can you really not imagine how carrying a rifle into a public place these days could cause fear and is generally a bad idea?

Don't bother

Yeah I saw it was TPW after the fact and immediately regretted even engaging in the first place

 

[dozer]

Quite the opposite, much like accidentally forgetting your shoes and shirt, it means you aren't going to get served.

Actually... pending legal posting of no firearms allowed on premises, this is actually nothing like the scenario you propose. In most states it is completely within my rights to make such a request.

Just reiterating that I have not, nor would I likely ever make such a request.... that I was merely outlining what I considered to be a reasonable manner to approach the situation.

The highly emotional personal attacks (after ignoring all the above qualifiers) by the usual suspects worked into the usual lather has certainly been entertaining though Thanks fellas

You are totally out of touch with reality.

 

[[icon]]

For the record I don't believe ANY of these establishments has formally adopted a policy of actually posting/banning firearms in their restaurants. I know BWW posts, but I'm fairly certain that most of these places in the news are just issuing hollow statements to placate the hysterical hand wringers (Gotta love the "WE WON" posts I see by the anti-gun crowd on facebook in relation to Chipotle's toothless request).

 

[Henry Ford]

For the record I don't believe ANY of these establishments has formally adopted a policy of actually posting/banning firearms in their restaurants. I know BWW posts, but I'm fairly certain that most of these places in the news are just issuing hollow statements to placate the hysterical hand wringers (Gotta love the "WE WON" posts I see by the anti-gun crowd on facebook in relation to Chipotle's toothless request).

You don't have to formally adopt a policy and post a ban unless you want to give it the force of law (most jurisdictions, formal adoption means a violator commits a crime.)

 

[[icon]]

It's within your rights to make such a request, and it's within their rights to refuse. I don't have to have a sign posted that says "no shirt no shoes no service" in order to refuse service to half naked people without shoes on. Similarly, I don't have to accommodate your silly request that I hold your gun while you eat.

Well then, if I was the type of person to carry a rifle into a restaurant (which I'm not), I guess I'd be forced to lean it against the table while I ate

 

[Henry Ford]

It's within your rights to make such a request, and it's within their rights to refuse. I don't have to have a sign posted that says "no shirt no shoes no service" in order to refuse service to half naked people without shoes on. Similarly, I don't have to accommodate your silly request that I hold your gun while you eat.

Well then, if I was the type of person to carry a rifle into a restaurant (which I'm not), I guess I'd be forced to lean it against the table while I ate

More likely, you'd be asked to leave.

 

[Apes with Guns]

Needs some editing.

Basically the NRA finally met a bridge to far and call out these #######s after they looked like compete idiots and were run out of places by customers.

When will people realize one of the biggest victories towns won were when people didn't have to worry that every jerk off and their brother was carrying a gun?

the NRA disavowed Open Carry Tarrant County. (apologies if someone already posted the link below.)

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/02/nra-pro-tip-in-your-face-open-carry-is-probably-a-bad-idea-folks/comment-page-5/

 

[[icon]]

For the record I don't believe ANY of these establishments has formally adopted a policy of actually posting/banning firearms in their restaurants. I know BWW posts, but I'm fairly certain that most of these places in the news are just issuing hollow statements to placate the hysterical hand wringers (Gotta love the "WE WON" posts I see by the anti-gun crowd on facebook in relation to Chipotle's toothless request).

You don't have to formally adopt a policy and post a ban unless you want to give it the force of law (most jurisdictions, formal adoption means a violator commits a crime.)

Correct... and absent force of law these businesses are on record stating they have no intentions of actually enforcing the request. It's merely that...a request (at least that's the stance of Starbucks and Chipotle... two notable cases, recently)

 

[fantasycurse42]

It's within your rights to make such a request, and it's within their rights to refuse. I don't have to have a sign posted that says "no shirt no shoes no service" in order to refuse service to half naked people without shoes on. Similarly, I don't have to accommodate your silly request that I hold your gun while you eat.

Well then, if I was the type of person to carry a rifle into a restaurant (which I'm not), I guess I'd be forced to lean it against the table while I ate

This isn't an area of grey... This is pretty black and white - You are extremely likely to make a lot of people very uncomfortable by bringing an assault rifle into a restaurant. Just don't do it. There is no situation at all whatsoever where you will be forced into a situation to eat good in the neighborhood with a Kalashnikov.

 

[Henry Ford]

It's within your rights to make such a request, and it's within their rights to refuse. I don't have to have a sign posted that says "no shirt no shoes no service" in order to refuse service to half naked people without shoes on. Similarly, I don't have to accommodate your silly request that I hold your gun while you eat.

Well then, if I was the type of person to carry a rifle into a restaurant (which I'm not), I guess I'd be forced to lean it against the table while I ate

This isn't an area of grey... This is pretty black and white - You are extremely likely to make a lot of people very uncomfortable by bringing an assault rifle into a restaurant. Just don't do it. There is no situation at all whatsoever where you will be forced into a situation to eat good in the neighborhood with a Kalashnikov.

Or bull semen.

 

[[icon]]

It's within your rights to make such a request, and it's within their rights to refuse. I don't have to have a sign posted that says "no shirt no shoes no service" in order to refuse service to half naked people without shoes on. Similarly, I don't have to accommodate your silly request that I hold your gun while you eat.

Well then, if I was the type of person to carry a rifle into a restaurant (which I'm not), I guess I'd be forced to lean it against the table while I ate

More likely, you'd be asked to leave.

Depends on the establishment and location, but most of these restaurants have a non engagement policy.

Again... I think the guys in the OP were morons. I'm not a guy who would ever bring a rifle into a dining establishment but I frequently carry a concealed handgun into one.

 

[Apes with Guns]

The PR guy for Open Carry Texas was on CNN and said they have a new "game plan" so maybe they got the message.

Open Carry Texas and Open Carry Tarrant County split over the tactics of the Tarrant County group.

link: http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/tarrant/Open-Carry-Texas-chides-Tarrant-County-followers--258545451.html

 

[[icon]]

This isn't an area of grey... This is pretty black and white - You are extremely likely to make a lot of people very uncomfortable by bringing an assault rifle into a restaurant. Just don't do it. There is no situation at all whatsoever where you will be forced into a situation to eat good in the neighborhood with a Kalashnikov.

Or bull semen.

Both good points, here.

 

[Henry Ford]

It's within your rights to make such a request, and it's within their rights to refuse. I don't have to have a sign posted that says "no shirt no shoes no service" in order to refuse service to half naked people without shoes on. Similarly, I don't have to accommodate your silly request that I hold your gun while you eat.

Well then, if I was the type of person to carry a rifle into a restaurant (which I'm not), I guess I'd be forced to lean it against the table while I ate

More likely, you'd be asked to leave.

Depends on the establishment and location, but most of these restaurants have a non engagement policy.

Again... I think the guys in the OP were morons. I'm not a guy who would ever bring a rifle into a dining establishment but I frequently carry a concealed handgun into one.

And why don't you bring a rifle into a dining establishment?

 

[[icon]]

And why don't you bring a rifle into a dining establishment?

Because I've already got my concealed carry piece on me and I don't want to spook the skittish liberals?

 

[Apes with Guns]

And why don't you bring a rifle into a dining establishment?

Because I've already got my concealed carry piece on me and I don't want to spook the skittish liberals?

liberals?

 

[Henry Ford]

And why don't you bring a rifle into a dining establishment?

Because I've already got my concealed carry piece on me and I don't want to spook the skittish liberals?

If you can answer that honestly, maybe you can stop worrying about people who won't follow the same guidelines.

 

[dozer]

You can't have dinner in public with out your gun, and we're the skittish ones?

big gun, small weiner.

 

[[icon]]

You can't have dinner in public with out your gun, and we're the skittish ones?

big gun, small weiner.

Actually I carry a subcompact 9mm because there's not much room due to my big weiner.

 

[tommyGunZ]

And why don't you bring a rifle into a dining establishment?

Because I've already got my concealed carry piece on me and I don't want to spook the skittish liberals?

I always love this part - when the paranoid gun nuts who carry concealed weapons to Chili's call non-armed folks "skittish".

 

[msommer]

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Quite the opposite, much like accidentally forgetting your shoes and shirt, it means you aren't going to get served.

Actually... pending legal posting of no firearms allowed on premises, this is actually nothing like the scenario you propose. In most states it is completely within my rights to make such a request.

Just reiterating that I have not, nor would I likely ever make such a request.... that I was merely outlining what I considered to be a reasonable manner to approach the situation.

The highly emotional personal attacks (after ignoring all the above qualifiers) by the usual suspects worked into the usual lather has certainly been entertaining though Thanks fellas

If I was a manager at a restaurant I'd politely refuse your request. If pressed for a reason I'd potentially state that we did not have a gun safe on the premises

 

[Zow]

I think everyone understands what you're saying up until this point - the fact that you forgot your locking case, you don't have a trunk, and you have no way of hiding/locking up your gun in your vehicle before stopping for a bite to eat doesn't mean everyone has to accommodate you and your gun. Quite the opposite, much like accidentally forgetting your shoes and shirt, it means you aren't going to get served.

Actually... pending legal posting of no firearms allowed on premises, this is actually nothing like the scenario you propose. In most states it is completely within my rights to make such a request.

Just reiterating that I have not, nor would I likely ever make such a request.... that I was merely outlining what I considered to be a reasonable manner to approach the situation.

The highly emotional personal attacks (after ignoring all the above qualifiers) by the usual suspects worked into the usual lather has certainly been entertaining though Thanks fellas

It's within your rights to make such a request, and it's within their rights to refuse. I don't have to have a sign posted that says "no shirt no shoes no service" in order to refuse service to half naked people without shoes on. Similarly, I don't have to accommodate your silly request that I hold your gun while you eat.

That and the whole potential for serious liability if anything were to happen, given the bailment. Pretty certain avoiding that is reason enough to pass up the 20 dollar tab (although Icon is a very good tipper) and piss off a few gun nuts.

 

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If I was a manager at a restaurant I'd politely refuse your request. If pressed for a reason I'd potentially state that we did not have a gun safe on the premises

Honestly if anyone pressed for a reason that would be pushing too hard IMO, in this hypothetical situation.

 

[3C's]

There is no responsible way to carry an assault rifle in public... It creates unnecessary fear amongst people just going about their business. You go to the range, bring your case... That way if you want to stop and eat, lock it up, put it in your trunk and go about your business.

And if your vehicle doesn't have a trunk?

I would relate that to my "dilemma" with my dog the other day. I took her for a car ride and while out I needed to stop at the store. I couldn't take her in and I couldn't leave her out in the heat, so I took her home and went back out.

 

[[icon]]

I always love this part - when the paranoid gun nuts who carry concealed weapons to Chili's call non-armed folks "skittish".

Well... how else would you describe someone afraid of a harmless piece of metal? Keep in mind in the hypothetical situation the firearm was unloaded, chamber open, no magazine engaged? It might make the top 1000 most dangerous things in the restaurant at that point, but I think that'd be a stretch.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I always love this part - when the paranoid gun nuts who carry concealed weapons to Chili's call non-armed folks "skittish".

Well... how else would you describe someone afraid of a harmless piece of metal? Keep in mind in the hypothetical situation the firearm was unloaded, chamber open, no magazine engaged? It might make the top 1000 most dangerous things in the restaurant at that point, but I think that'd be a stretch.

Yes! "Harmless piece of metal" plus "I carry a subcompact 9mm because there's not much room due to my big weiner" puts you pretty close to BINGO (middle row across) in this thread.

 

[[icon]]

It's pretty bad when you point out the hook with a fishy already on it and people still swallow it....

 

[Zow]

It's pretty bad when you point out the hook with a fishy already on it and people still swallow it....

I think this is more akin to bringing the AK fishing with you and the fish keeping swimming up to you despite you shooting them in the face

 

[[icon]]

Yes! "Harmless piece of metal" plus "I carry a subcompact 9mm because there's not much room due to my big weiner" puts you pretty close to BINGO (middle row across) in this thread.

Close only counts in hand grenades.... unfortunately I cant bring those into Chili's either.

 

[timschochet]

Icon, this is why I am against the 2nd ammendment. For every sane responsible gun owner there is probably at least one or more total freaking ######## turds like these morons that are armed to the teeth. Human beings, especially American human beings, are simply too impossibly stupid to be trusted with sharp spoons, let alone guns. And it seems that gun ownership has the capacity to make some of them even more stupid than they would have been without guns (see Cliven Bundy ranch).

First off, I think the 2nd Amendment is poorly written. But your argument goes to the very nature of why we have laws. Should we limit the freedom of responsible people in order to protect us from the irresponsible? Your answer is yes, at least in this instance, but it should be noted that the people behind the Volstead act made a very similar argument.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Yes! "Harmless piece of metal" plus "I carry a subcompact 9mm because there's not much room due to my big weiner" puts you pretty close to BINGO (middle row across) in this thread.

Close only counts in hand grenades.... unfortunately I cant bring those into Chili's either.

No real politics here either, so no chance for "you're politicizing a tragedy" or "SOCIALISM." I guess I'll have to wait for the next gun thread.

 

[Koya]

Needs some editing.

Basically the NRA finally met a bridge to far and call out these #######s after they looked like compete idiots and were run out of places by customers.

When will people realize one of the biggest victories towns won were when people didn't have to worry that every jerk off and their brother was carrying a gun?

Just saying the murder rate in Baltimore of modern times is way higher than the murder rate of the "Wild, Wild West." (Both the actual version and the Will Smith version.)

Per capita?

Per capita, an adult in Oregon between 1850 and 1865 had a lower chance of being murdered than an adult in 2012 in the following cities:

Detroit, New Orleans, St Louis, Baltimore.

What about the other cities?

How about NYC, with some of the most stringent anti-gun laws in the nation.

 

[Henry Ford]

You can't have dinner in public with out your gun, and we're the skittish ones?

big gun, small weiner.

Actually I carry a subcompact 9mm because there's not much room due to my big weiner.

Maybe if you stopped wearing leather pants...

 

[Henry Ford]

Needs some editing.

Basically the NRA finally met a bridge to far and call out these #######s after they looked like compete idiots and were run out of places by customers.

When will people realize one of the biggest victories towns won were when people didn't have to worry that every jerk off and their brother was carrying a gun?

Just saying the murder rate in Baltimore of modern times is way higher than the murder rate of the "Wild, Wild West." (Both the actual version and the Will Smith version.)

Per capita?

Gun violence shouldn't necessarily be measured per capita since it requires interactions between humans. The denser the population, the more interactions people have with other people that could end in violence. You can see some correlation here between population density and gun murder rate here, although obviously there's other factors at work.

So, to recap, Oregon in the 1850s (population 12,000) had 30 murders per 100,000. Oregon in 2012 (population 3.8 million) had .9 murders per 100,000. And the denser the population, the more interactions that could end in violence.

Wild West was totally more peaceful.

 

[tommyGunZ]

It's pretty bad when you point out the hook with a fishy already on it and people still swallow it....

I think this is more akin to bringing the AK fishing with you and the fish keeping swimming up to you despite you shooting them in the face

Trying to disguise backpedaling as fishing is so lame. Big part of icon's arsenal.