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Noticed a house with their Christmas tree lit on the way to work this morning. I am going to kill them all in their sleep tonight.
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Walmart Makes it Official: Thanksgiving Is Dead
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roadkill1292
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Some of us really have declared war on Christmas. Literally. I'm making bombs in my basement now.WhatDoIKnow said:
Why does this bother people? It's their business and it's only 30 some odd days away.
danielmclark
Footballguy
Because it's overkill. And it's recent, and it's happened really, really fast. Just in the past 20, 30 years, Christmas has gone from something you celebrate for a week in December to something we're supposed to celebrate starting in mid-October. And it's been accelerating the worst over the past decade. I've watched the evolution of it, as have most of the people posting here, I'm sure... it's been very strange. My money is on the day after the last day of Summer being the start of "Christmas Season" starting around 2020.WhatDoIKnow said:
Why does this bother people? It's their business and it's only 30 some odd days away.
Premier
Footballguy
So what? Why do you care? If it makes people happy who gives a ####?Because it's overkill. And it's recent, and it's happened really, really fast. Just in the past 20, 30 years, Christmas has gone from something you celebrate for a week in December to something we're supposed to celebrate starting in mid-October. And it's been accelerating the worst over the past decade. I've watched the evolution of it, as have most of the people posting here, I'm sure... it's been very strange. My money is on the day after the last day of Summer being the start of "Christmas Season" starting around 2020.WhatDoIKnow said:
This is just not true.Because it's overkill. And it's recent, and it's happened really, really fast. Just in the past 20, 30 years, Christmas has gone from something you celebrate for a week in December to something we're supposed to celebrate starting in mid-October. And it's been accelerating the worst over the past decade. I've watched the evolution of it, as have most of the people posting here, I'm sure... it's been very strange. My money is on the day after the last day of Summer being the start of "Christmas Season" starting around 2020.WhatDoIKnow said:
Why does this bother people? It's their business and it's only 30 some odd days away.
From as far back in my childhood as I could remember, I always received and advent calendar from my Grandmother which was basically the entire month of December.
If you're a Catholic, the Advent season begins Sunday December 1st this year.
It's always been a month long celebration.
And I really have no problem with people starting things up in mid-November. Kids enjoy them, so who cares
danielmclark
Footballguy
Seriously? That's your only prerequisite? If it made me happy to cover my house in dog #### for three months out of the year, people would complain, and rightly so. Whatever people think about the holiday, how they decorate their homes, how the stores go along with it, how the radio stations flip over to garbage music... it all affects the rest of us because we have to look at it every single day. Don't be obtuse, you know why it bothers some people.So what? Why do you care? If it makes people happy who gives a ####?Because it's overkill. And it's recent, and it's happened really, really fast. Just in the past 20, 30 years, Christmas has gone from something you celebrate for a week in December to something we're supposed to celebrate starting in mid-October. And it's been accelerating the worst over the past decade. I've watched the evolution of it, as have most of the people posting here, I'm sure... it's been very strange. My money is on the day after the last day of Summer being the start of "Christmas Season" starting around 2020.WhatDoIKnow said:
Premier
Footballguy
No I really don't, and now I'm starting to wonder why you're so angry over this.Seriously? That's your only prerequisite? If it made me happy to cover my house in dog #### for three months out of the year, people would complain, and rightly so. Whatever people think about the holiday, how they decorate their homes, how the stores go along with it, how the radio stations flip over to garbage music... it all affects the rest of us because we have to look at it every single day. Don't be obtuse, you know why it bothers some people.So what? Why do you care? If it makes people happy who gives a ####?Because it's overkill. And it's recent, and it's happened really, really fast. Just in the past 20, 30 years, Christmas has gone from something you celebrate for a week in December to something we're supposed to celebrate starting in mid-October. And it's been accelerating the worst over the past decade. I've watched the evolution of it, as have most of the people posting here, I'm sure... it's been very strange. My money is on the day after the last day of Summer being the start of "Christmas Season" starting around 2020.WhatDoIKnow said:
You know there's a lot of radio stations right? And why does seeing a decorated house bother you? Seems kind of nice to me.
danielmclark
Footballguy
Yea that one week thing is total bull#### too.
All my life Christmas season started up the day after thanksgiving.
I'm not angry. Why you equate disagreement with anger, I don't know. What I do know is that you understand exactly why converting the whole of American culture over to a Christian holiday for an increasing length of time every year bothers non-Christians. Seems kind of nice to you? Fine. It's not "kind of nice" to everyone. Your holiday has stretched from one day to one week to one month to one season and it's absolutely inescapable.No I really don't, and now I'm starting to wonder why you're so angry over this.Seriously? That's your only prerequisite? If it made me happy to cover my house in dog #### for three months out of the year, people would complain, and rightly so. Whatever people think about the holiday, how they decorate their homes, how the stores go along with it, how the radio stations flip over to garbage music... it all affects the rest of us because we have to look at it every single day. Don't be obtuse, you know why it bothers some people.So what? Why do you care? If it makes people happy who gives a ####?Because it's overkill. And it's recent, and it's happened really, really fast. Just in the past 20, 30 years, Christmas has gone from something you celebrate for a week in December to something we're supposed to celebrate starting in mid-October. And it's been accelerating the worst over the past decade. I've watched the evolution of it, as have most of the people posting here, I'm sure... it's been very strange. My money is on the day after the last day of Summer being the start of "Christmas Season" starting around 2020.WhatDoIKnow said:
You know there's a lot of radio stations right? And why does seeing a decorated house bother you? Seems kind of nice to me.
Parrothead
Footballguy
I see Halloween decorations in stores early September..
Frostillicus
Footballguy
I am beginning to notice that I say this on this board more and more often, but what a weird thing to complain about.Yea that one week thing is total bull#### too.
All my life Christmas season started up the day after thanksgiving.I'm not angry. Why you equate disagreement with anger, I don't know. What I do know is that you understand exactly why converting the whole of American culture over to a Christian holiday for an increasing length of time every year bothers non-Christians. Seems kind of nice to you? Fine. It's not "kind of nice" to everyone. Your holiday has stretched from one day to one week to one month to one season and it's absolutely inescapable.No I really don't, and now I'm starting to wonder why you're so angry over this.Seriously? That's your only prerequisite? If it made me happy to cover my house in dog #### for three months out of the year, people would complain, and rightly so. Whatever people think about the holiday, how they decorate their homes, how the stores go along with it, how the radio stations flip over to garbage music... it all affects the rest of us because we have to look at it every single day. Don't be obtuse, you know why it bothers some people.So what? Why do you care? If it makes people happy who gives a ####?Because it's overkill. And it's recent, and it's happened really, really fast. Just in the past 20, 30 years, Christmas has gone from something you celebrate for a week in December to something we're supposed to celebrate starting in mid-October. And it's been accelerating the worst over the past decade. I've watched the evolution of it, as have most of the people posting here, I'm sure... it's been very strange. My money is on the day after the last day of Summer being the start of "Christmas Season" starting around 2020.WhatDoIKnow said:
You know there's a lot of radio stations right? And why does seeing a decorated house bother you? Seems kind of nice to me.
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TheIronSheik
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So what? Why do you care? If it makes people happy who gives a ####?Because it's overkill. And it's recent, and it's happened really, really fast. Just in the past 20, 30 years, Christmas has gone from something you celebrate for a week in December to something we're supposed to celebrate starting in mid-October. And it's been accelerating the worst over the past decade. I've watched the evolution of it, as have most of the people posting here, I'm sure... it's been very strange. My money is on the day after the last day of Summer being the start of "Christmas Season" starting around 2020.WhatDoIKnow said:
I love seeing all the lights. We wait until the day after Thanksgiving, usually, but it doesn't bother me if people have them up in November. Holiday cheer!
Premier
Footballguy
Oh you're angry.Yea that one week thing is total bull#### too.
All my life Christmas season started up the day after thanksgiving.I'm not angry. Why you equate disagreement with anger, I don't know. What I do know is that you understand exactly why converting the whole of American culture over to a Christian holiday for an increasing length of time every year bothers non-Christians. Seems kind of nice to you? Fine. It's not "kind of nice" to everyone. Your holiday has stretched from one day to one week to one month to one season and it's absolutely inescapable.No I really don't, and now I'm starting to wonder why you're so angry over this.You know there's a lot of radio stations right? And why does seeing a decorated house bother you? Seems kind of nice to me.Seriously? That's your only prerequisite? If it made me happy to cover my house in dog #### for three months out of the year, people would complain, and rightly so. Whatever people think about the holiday, how they decorate their homes, how the stores go along with it, how the radio stations flip over to garbage music... it all affects the rest of us because we have to look at it every single day. Don't be obtuse, you know why it bothers some people.So what? Why do you care? If it makes people happy who gives a ####?Because it's overkill. And it's recent, and it's happened really, really fast. Just in the past 20, 30 years, Christmas has gone from something you celebrate for a week in December to something we're supposed to celebrate starting in mid-October. And it's been accelerating the worst over the past decade. I've watched the evolution of it, as have most of the people posting here, I'm sure... it's been very strange. My money is on the day after the last day of Summer being the start of "Christmas Season" starting around 2020.WhatDoIKnow said:
So the reason for your anger is because you're not religious? So are half the people who get excited about it. And it's not inescapable at all. Don't turn the channels on that play carols. Don't decorate your house. If driving by a decorated house bothers you that much you probably have bigger issues than Santa anyways.
TheIronSheik
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I love Christmas and I don't even believe in Santa.
Officer Pete Malloy
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Adults who get too into Christmas (early decorations, too many decorations, always singing carols etc) creep me out. Makes me think there's something wrong with them.
TheIronSheik
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Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Nothing to do with happiness. It is WHY they are happy.I know, right? Happy people piss me off, too.
Same thing with adults that are way to into Disney, comic books, Harry Potter, etc.
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TheIronSheik
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Hate whoever you want. I'm sticking with hating happy people.Nothing to do with happiness. It is WHY they are happy.I know, right? Happy people piss me off, too.
Same thing with adults that are way to into Disney, comic books, Harry Potter, etc.
danielmclark
Footballguy
Yes, please tell me again about how you know my emotional state better than I do simply by reading a few paragraphs that I've typed.Oh you're angry.Yea that one week thing is total bull#### too.
All my life Christmas season started up the day after thanksgiving.I'm not angry. Why you equate disagreement with anger, I don't know. What I do know is that you understand exactly why converting the whole of American culture over to a Christian holiday for an increasing length of time every year bothers non-Christians. Seems kind of nice to you? Fine. It's not "kind of nice" to everyone. Your holiday has stretched from one day to one week to one month to one season and it's absolutely inescapable.No I really don't, and now I'm starting to wonder why you're so angry over this.You know there's a lot of radio stations right? And why does seeing a decorated house bother you? Seems kind of nice to me.Seriously? That's your only prerequisite? If it made me happy to cover my house in dog #### for three months out of the year, people would complain, and rightly so. Whatever people think about the holiday, how they decorate their homes, how the stores go along with it, how the radio stations flip over to garbage music... it all affects the rest of us because we have to look at it every single day. Don't be obtuse, you know why it bothers some people.So what? Why do you care? If it makes people happy who gives a ####?Because it's overkill. And it's recent, and it's happened really, really fast. Just in the past 20, 30 years, Christmas has gone from something you celebrate for a week in December to something we're supposed to celebrate starting in mid-October. And it's been accelerating the worst over the past decade. I've watched the evolution of it, as have most of the people posting here, I'm sure... it's been very strange. My money is on the day after the last day of Summer being the start of "Christmas Season" starting around 2020.WhatDoIKnow said:
So the reason for your anger is because you're not religious? So are half the people who get excited about it. And it's not inescapable at all. Don't turn the channels on that play carols. Don't decorate your house. If driving by a decorated house bothers you that much you probably have bigger issues than Santa anyways.
Not inescapable? It's all over every television station, in the ads, in the shows. It's all over every radio station, not just those that play carols, but those with DJ's that talk about it between songs. It's in the movies. It's in print advertising and articles in magazines and newspapers. It's on billboards. It affects everything from school schedules to my son's swim lessons schedule. Decorations start going up on houses earlier and earlier - in my neighborhood, the day after Halloween (granted, it was just the one house and it was two weeks before the next). Stores start advertising it and decorating their stores in September, October. Three years ago while living in Albuquerque, the Macy's at the mall had a Christmas display up in June - and not in the back of the store, up front, as you're walking in.
It is absolutely inescapable.
And I'm not angry about it. One does not need to be angry to disagree with something or to dislike something or to complain about something. Though I don't like polka music, it doesn't make me angry. But you can bet I'd be complaining if I was subjected to it for three months every year.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
It is nice that these sales are now on thanksgiving so I can enjoy them too instead of only the people that have off on the Friday after.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Yeah, I hate them. That's exactly what I said.Hate whoever you want. I'm sticking with hating happy people.Nothing to do with happiness. It is WHY they are happy.I know, right? Happy people piss me off, too.
Same thing with adults that are way to into Disney, comic books, Harry Potter, etc.
And you know who else is happy? Pedophiles.
TheIronSheik
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I said you can hate whoever you wanted because you narrowed down your hate field. I said I was sticking with hating everyone. A little touchy today?Yeah, I hate them. That's exactly what I said.Hate whoever you want. I'm sticking with hating happy people.Nothing to do with happiness. It is WHY they are happy.I know, right? Happy people piss me off, too.
Same thing with adults that are way to into Disney, comic books, Harry Potter, etc.
And you know who else is happy? Pedophiles.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
You know who hated everyone? The 9/11 terrorists.I said you can hate whoever you wanted because you narrowed down your hate field. I said I was sticking with hating everyone. A little touchy today?Yeah, I hate them. That's exactly what I said.Hate whoever you want. I'm sticking with hating happy people.Nothing to do with happiness. It is WHY they are happy.I know, right? Happy people piss me off, too.
Same thing with adults that are way to into Disney, comic books, Harry Potter, etc.
And you know who else is happy? Pedophiles.
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Exactly. When is Thanksgiving? Or does it start the day after last year's Thanksgiving?Yea that one week thing is total bull#### too.
All my life Christmas season started up the day after thanksgiving.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Parrothead
Footballguy
sorry, I was out hiding Easter eggs.. what did I miss??
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Ahhh thanksgiving...or as the turkeys call it ''the Holocaust''
TheIronSheik
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And look what they were able to accomplish.You know who hated everyone? The 9/11 terrorists.I said you can hate whoever you wanted because you narrowed down your hate field. I said I was sticking with hating everyone. A little touchy today?Yeah, I hate them. That's exactly what I said.Hate whoever you want. I'm sticking with hating happy people.Nothing to do with happiness. It is WHY they are happy.I know, right? Happy people piss me off, too.
Same thing with adults that are way to into Disney, comic books, Harry Potter, etc.
And you know who else is happy? Pedophiles.
Let's leave Bush out of this...And look what they were able to accomplish.You know who hated everyone? The 9/11 terrorists.I said you can hate whoever you wanted because you narrowed down your hate field. I said I was sticking with hating everyone. A little touchy today?Yeah, I hate them. That's exactly what I said.Hate whoever you want. I'm sticking with hating happy people.Nothing to do with happiness. It is WHY they are happy.I know, right? Happy people piss me off, too.
Same thing with adults that are way to into Disney, comic books, Harry Potter, etc.
And you know who else is happy? Pedophiles.
cstu
Footballguy
TheIronSheik
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So did everyone survive? It appears the world didn't end after all.
Parrothead
Footballguy
Next year 'Black Friday' will start on Halloween
NCCommish
Footballguy
Actually per person sales average was down from last year. And what really matters is the whole holiday. As I said earlier the likely outcome is they cannibalized some later sales they might have made. Last year the early openings didn't result in much of an uptick in overall seasonal sales I think it was less than a 1 percent increase.
Rayderr
Footballguy
Well of course the average person is spending less. They gotta pay a ####load more on health insurance.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Spending was up?Hard to imagine with there being so few deals to be had
VA703
Footballguy
we actually found some good door buster deals at walmart this year.. so we took the shark move and decided to tail-gate our thanksgiving dinner. it worked out pretty well. paper plates and napkins flying everywhere but the food was delicious. we deep fried the turkey outside our tent to hold our first spot in line
Overall, you're almost certainly right that this really just changes the when of total sales rather than the amount of total sales.
But that isn't the relevant question for any particular brand determining whether to open on Thanksgiving. For example, once Target and Walmart have decided to open, the question for say, Best Buy, is really whether their percentage of the total sales will take a hit if they do/don't also open on Thanksgiving.
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Footballguy
Rayderr
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Are there actually deals on Black Friday that are any greater than searching online for the best price? There was a Walmart commercial here for 30% off a Barbie (or something). Is this really worth all of the trouble?
VA703
Footballguy
people were jealous of our superior game planning. there was a Aarons furniture store next to the walmart so we rented some recliners for the day and had the games on. epic
we will be there next year with our own portapotty and projection tv setup
Not bad. Doesn't sound all that much different than what the people that went to the games went through.