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War on Christmas - latest casualty (1 Viewer)

I would put the War on Christmas right up there with the war on illiteracy. We all win when people can read and stop believing in Santa Claus.

 
A post by Les Jenkins, head trouble maker at Stupid Evil *******:

It’s beginning to look a lot like a Satanic Christmas in Michigan.

Here in Michigan we’ve been stuck under a Republican led state congress (both houses) and governorship for several years now thanks to the gerrymandering they managed to get in place during the last census. They like to think they’re pretty smart for having pulled that off so they put their thinking caps on and tried to come up with a way to allow a nativity scene in our capitol while keeping those other, yucky, religions out. What they came up with was a new requirement of no permanent displays. More specifically, any display you put up in the Michigan State Capitol has to be torn down at the end of the day and then put back up the next morning. Surely a rule this tedious would keep out all but the most devout Christians, right?

Satanic holiday display is coming to Capitol

The display, which depicts a snake wrapped around the Satanic cross presenting a book as a holiday gift, will be featured on the northeast lawn at the Capitol Dec. 21 to 23, said Jex Blackmore, a member of the Detroit chapter of the Satanic Temple. The cross reads, “The greatest gift is knowledge.”

“Encouraging families to have important discussions and to learn from each other and to spend the holidays promoting knowledge … is just something we think is important,” Blackmore, whose phone number begins with the digits 666, said today.

[…] Blackmore said her group requested the display after the Capitol Commission last month received a request for a Christian Nativity to be displayed at the Capitol. With lame-duck lawmakers debating a controversial religious freedom bill, Blackmore said the Satanist display “provides some poignant commentary about the diversity of beliefs represented by Michigan citizens.”

Oops. The folks at the Detroit chapter of The Satanic Temple have someone who is more than willing to comply by the rule of putting it up in the morning and taking it down at night and repeating the process the next day.

That’s not the best part of this story, though. This is:

The Nativity, meanwhile, has been scrapped. Truscott said today the Nativity was approved but the out-of-state person backing it couldn’t find someone to put up and tear down the display each day. That’s necessary because Capitol rules forbid permanent displays.

Truscott said the person behind the Nativity, who hasn’t been named, is still trying to find someone to manage the display.

Cue the outrage from the government flunky who had to approve it:

John Truscott, a member of the Michigan State Capitol Commission, which approved the display, said the commission had to OK it because members were “constrained by the Constitution” and must “recognize everybody’s First Amendment rights.”

But Truscott added, “Personally, I think this is absolutely repulsive and I’m very frustrated by it. I don’t appreciate a group trying to hijack a Christian holiday.”

#### you, John Truscott. I don’t appreciate Christians trying to hijack my government to promote themselves. Don’t want a Satanic holiday display at the capitol? Then don’t allow any religious displays at the ####### capitol. It’s really very simple. If you allow one then you have to allow them all and if your prefered group is too ####### lazy to follow the rules you put in place to try and prevent others from participating, well, that’s their ####### problem. Besides, it’s not like the Christians didn’t hijack this holiday from the Pagans to begin with.

Here’s the cherry on top of this cake. Hemant Mehta over at The Friendly Atheist reached out to The Satanic Temple spokesperson about this news story and got the following awesome comment from them:

When Jex first reached out to the Capitol Commission to learn how she could submit our display, she refrained from mentioning that she is a representative of the dreaded Satanic Temple.

Jex was told at that time that the new requirement for holiday displays (that they be taken down each evening and replaced again in the morning) was a result of trying to deter “that group from Florida” — clearly a reference to The Satanic Temple — winning the right to exhibit our holiday display in the Florida Capitol Rotunda.

That’s right. The rule that makes this delicious bit of schadenfreude possible was specifically meant to keep The Satanic Temple out of the Michigan capitol. It’s a mistake to assume your followers are less lazy than any other religion’s followers.

I’m guessing that as this story goes viral the out-of-state ####### who wants to put a nativity at the state capitol will find someone willing to put it up and take it down every day if for no other reason than to ensure the Satanic display isn’t the only one there. Christians get mad when they have to share with other religions as it is. They sure as hell aren’t going to sit by and let some other group, especially Satanists, have the spotlight to themselves. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see the rules change again next year.

 
My daughter's school just had a christmas music pagent.

we had Christmas songs, christian, hannukah, Kwanzaa I didn't know there were so many holiday songs

 
I've never met a Muslim offended by Christmas in my life. All the Muslims I know kind of like it. Also let's not forget Christians have waged the most serious war against Christmas. If you actually know history.

 
RudiStein said:
Good. Christmas is the suck.
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The pagan version was so much better. 

Also, since pretty much all scholars agree that Jesus, assuming he's real, would the been born in the summer of 4 BC can we please just do away with this overcommercialized stupid holiday?

 
Zow said:
The pagan version was so much better. 

Also, since pretty much all scholars agree that Jesus, assuming he's real, would the been born in the summer of 4 BC can we please just do away with this overcommercialized stupid holiday?
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Absolutely not.  Sales are way better after Black Friday.  Gifts would be super expensive in the summer. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I've never met a Muslim offended by Christmas in my life. All the Muslims I know kind of like it. Also let's not forget Christians have waged the most serious war against Christmas. If you actually know history.
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True story. 

 
Henry Ford said:
Totally fair. I couldn't do what you do.
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Our professor told us Trusts and Estates, believe it or not, had the least personal heartache. 

Family law, he said, "Don't. The lawyers get as messed up as the families."

I've watched my brother go through painful divorce and weird custody stuff, and it doesn't even bend the norm. Godspeed, Zow/Woz. 

 
rockaction said:
Our professor told us Trusts and Estates, believe it or not, had the least personal heartache. 

Family law, he said, "Don't. The lawyers get as messed up as the families."

I've watched my brother go through painful divorce and weird custody stuff, and it doesn't even bend the norm. Godspeed, Zow/Woz. 
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I promised my wife no family law, no criminal law for that reason.

 
Zow said:
The pagan version was so much better. 

Also, since pretty much all scholars agree that Jesus, assuming he's real, would the been born in the summer of 4 BC can we please just do away with this overcommercialized stupid holiday?
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I did not know that.  I was laboring under the belief that the birth was postulated as being in late February.  I guess I have not kept up on this subject.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I did not know that.  I was laboring under the belief that the birth was postulated as being in late February.  I guess I have not kept up on this subject.
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I believe historians were able to better narrow when the census took place. I'm trying to remember though how they concluded the birth would have taken place in the summer. But I remember a priest at my grade school admitting this, hearing it in high school, and then the Benedictine monks I studied with in college and some of the literature I read all saying the same. 

 
Zow said:
I believe historians were able to better narrow when the census took place. I'm trying to remember though how they concluded the birth would have taken place in the summer. But I remember a priest at my grade school admitting this, hearing it in high school, and then the Benedictine monks I studied with in college and some of the literature I read all saying the same. 
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I remember reading some analysis based upon the yearly cycle of shepherding duties and the unlikelihood that shepherds would be in the fields watching their flocks in December, and also upon census taking habits of Romans, and them generally not conducting them in winter.  I remember the speculation being either early October or late February, not summer.  It may be time for me to read up on the latest thinking on the subject.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I remember reading some analysis based upon the yearly cycle of shepherding duties and the unlikelihood that shepherds would be in the fields watching their flocks in December, and also upon census taking habits of Romans, and them generally not conducting them in winter.  I remember the speculation being either early October or late February, not summer.  It may be time for me to read up on the latest thinking on the subject.
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You're assuming the shepherds stuff is true.

 
Played a Christmas trivia game with my students today since it is mostly a waste of a school day.  I ask questions and they answer on their iPads.  

Q:  What was the brand name of the BB-gun in "A Christmas Story"?

Best answer I got:

"Bush did 9/11"

 
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You're assuming the shepherds stuff is true.
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:goodposting:

Christians don't even know what year Jesus was born, let alone the month or day. This is the problem religions suffer from when they steal stories from other religions. They can't get their stories straight. It's funny that christians ignore many obvious conflicts, but then question would shepherds would be out tending their flocks at night in late December. Really? You read your bible and THAT'S the issue that raises your concern?

The truth of the Christianity is none of it happened.... well at least none of it happened to Jesus. Most of the stories about Jesus were stolen from other religions. The three wise men are stolen from a Zoroastrian story, even down to the details of the 3 gifts. The belief that Jesus died and rose again in 3 days comes from ancient Babylonian sun worship. For six months through summer and fall, the sun falls lower and lower in the sky (for the northern hemisphere) until it dies on December 21st. It then spends 3 days there and then rises again. The celebration on December 25th is for the rising of the sun from it's 3 day death. Many religions have stolen this sun worship celebration by claiming their god was born on that day: Horus, Osiris, Attis, Mithra, Heracles, Dionysus, Tammuz, Adonis, etc.... and of course Jesus. These examples just scratch the surface of how much Christianity stole. Very, very little of it is unique to christianity. 

 
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