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Watched two sessions at Eagles Training Camp (1 Viewer)

Woz

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Spent two days at Lehigh. Got to watch a decent chunk of the offense. Overall I'd say the team looked good and I liked the way everything was run. Also, remember I've only watched two sessions and talked to others who watched more about some of the stuff they saw so please take my observations with that in mind.

Here's what I saw:

1. McNabb - most importantly for team success as well as fantasy is his health. I thought he looked great. I know he took a day off yesterday and has said he's at 75 percent but if that's true then he'll be on fire this year at 100. I watched him perform in full gear for one long offense/defense session and one no hitting passing session and he was easily the best QB out there. Thought he moved well in the pocket and he made every throw from scrambling screens to nice deep balls (highlight was a beautiful 60 yard bomb to a diving Curtis) to needling the ball in between defenders. Also took off a few times and looked fine in doing so. Hands down better than any of the other three QBs. I have him third after Manning and Palmer on my fantasy depth chart.

2. WRS - No single WR stood out to me. Looks like they'll have another cast of mediocre WRs this year which McNabb will still somehow produce with. Curtis and Brown ran with the first team and did fine - saw both make two highlight reel type catches. They could both make decent WR3s. Baskett really impressed me a lot with his size and hands. He's a late round sleeper IMO. Greg Lewis, who is insanely skinny, didn't do anything I saw and Bloom, while fast as hell, ran awful routes and was slipping constantly. Neither of these guys will do much this year.

3. LJ Smith - Made some very nice catches and ran good routes. Overall, it's worth noting that in their red zone drills they had a lot of plays going towards the TE. In between Smith and Clark I'd say 60 percent of the passing TDs went to TEs.

4. Kolb - looked good on his feet and short passes. Very small though and shaky on his deeper balls and hesitated a lot. With Feeley and Holcomb there I don't understand the pick.

5. Holcomb/Feeley - Feeley looked better, looks like he'll be backing up McNabb this year.

6. Defense - Takeo and Trotter are beasts stopping the run. Secondary was all banged up so I didn't see a lot of the starters. Saw Kearse beat a second stringer 5 times in a row to sack the QB - however it's like the guy walks with a permanent limp. If he's healthy though, that defense could get some sacks and cause some turnovers with that good secondary.

ETA: I'm a Vikes fan who is indifferent to the Eagles so there should be no bias here.

 
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How did Gocong look? Anyone else getting OLB reps with the first unit?
Gocong looked good when I saw him last week. To be honest though, everyone paled in comparison to Spikes. That being said, a good recieving TE will probably be able to exploit that LB corp. They seemed really geared to stop the run, maybe too much.
 
How did Gocong look? Anyone else getting OLB reps with the first unit?
Gocong looked good when I saw him last week. To be honest though, everyone paled in comparison to Spikes. That being said, a good recieving TE will probably be able to exploit that LB corp. They seemed really geared to stop the run, maybe too much.
You just described Matt McCoy to a tee, the only difference is that Gocong (allegedly) knows how to tackle, McCoy most certainly does not.
 
Woz said:
Spent two days at Lehigh. Got to watch a decent chunk of the offense. Overall I'd say the team looked good and I liked the way everything was run. Also, remember I've only watched two sessions and talked to others who watched more about some of the stuff they saw so please take my observations with that in mind. Here's what I saw:4. Kolb - looked good on his feet and short passes. Very small though and shaky on his deeper balls and hesitated a lot. With Feeley and Holcomb there I don't understand the pick.
This surprises me as I thought he was listed at 6'3". Am I mistaken? Or did you mean small as skinny?
 
Woz said:
Spent two days at Lehigh. Got to watch a decent chunk of the offense. Overall I'd say the team looked good and I liked the way everything was run. Also, remember I've only watched two sessions and talked to others who watched more about some of the stuff they saw so please take my observations with that in mind. Here's what I saw:4. Kolb - looked good on his feet and short passes. Very small though and shaky on his deeper balls and hesitated a lot. With Feeley and Holcomb there I don't understand the pick.
This surprises me as I thought he was listed at 6'3". Am I mistaken? Or did you mean small as skinny?
skinny - as in he looked too young to be out there. Also had some happy feet going on.
 
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Deranged Hermit said:
Jason Wood said:
How did Gocong look? Anyone else getting OLB reps with the first unit?
Gocong looked good when I saw him last week. To be honest though, everyone paled in comparison to Spikes. That being said, a good recieving TE will probably be able to exploit that LB corp. They seemed really geared to stop the run, maybe too much.
Good recieving TE's like Shockey, Cooley, and Witten? :goodposting: As an Eagles fan I am excited by the positive reviews on Spikes, and feel the LB's all around are better. But Spikes/Trotter/Gocong/McCoy et all are passing down liabilities. Hope JJ can mask it with the safeties and solid pass rushing.
 
Jason Wood said:
How did Gocong look? Anyone else getting OLB reps with the first unit?
Not that I saw... but I wasn't watching the LBs too much. Just noticed that when they practiced the running plays the linebackers - mainly Trotter and Spikes - filled the holes perfectly. Perhaps they new runs were coming though. As for the RBs, I also didn't get to see much but Westy looked fine as did Buckhalter and I kinda liked that little Somoan guy. Saw Hunt fumble on three consecutive carries and get reemed out. Moats also didn't look too impressive to me as he didn't get a single yard on any of the carries I saw him get.
 
Deranged Hermit said:
Jason Wood said:
How did Gocong look? Anyone else getting OLB reps with the first unit?
Gocong looked good when I saw him last week. To be honest though, everyone paled in comparison to Spikes. That being said, a good recieving TE will probably be able to exploit that LB corp. They seemed really geared to stop the run, maybe too much.
Good recieving TE's like Shockey, Cooley, and Witten? :lmao: As an Eagles fan I am excited by the positive reviews on Spikes, and feel the LB's all around are better. But Spikes/Trotter/Gocong/McCoy et all are passing down liabilities. Hope JJ can mask it with the safeties and solid pass rushing.
The Eagles play a ton of nickel...and the plan is to use Gaither (who is great in coverage) in the middle on nickel, I don't expect Gocong or Trot to be put in the position of covering receivers too often [obviously sometimes it will be unavoidable].
 
Deranged Hermit said:
Jason Wood said:
How did Gocong look? Anyone else getting OLB reps with the first unit?
Gocong looked good when I saw him last week. To be honest though, everyone paled in comparison to Spikes. That being said, a good recieving TE will probably be able to exploit that LB corp. They seemed really geared to stop the run, maybe too much.
Good recieving TE's like Shockey, Cooley, and Witten? :lmao: As an Eagles fan I am excited by the positive reviews on Spikes, and feel the LB's all around are better. But Spikes/Trotter/Gocong/McCoy et all are passing down liabilities. Hope JJ can mask it with the safeties and solid pass rushing.
The Eagles play a ton of nickel...and the plan is to use Gaither (who is great in coverage) in the middle on nickel, I don't expect Gocong or Trot to be put in the position of covering receivers too often [obviously sometimes it will be unavoidable].
I actually saw a few plays where Kearse dropped back into coverage.
 
Deranged Hermit said:
Jason Wood said:
How did Gocong look? Anyone else getting OLB reps with the first unit?
Gocong looked good when I saw him last week. To be honest though, everyone paled in comparison to Spikes. That being said, a good recieving TE will probably be able to exploit that LB corp. They seemed really geared to stop the run, maybe too much.
Good recieving TE's like Shockey, Cooley, and Witten? :nerd: As an Eagles fan I am excited by the positive reviews on Spikes, and feel the LB's all around are better. But Spikes/Trotter/Gocong/McCoy et all are passing down liabilities. Hope JJ can mask it with the safeties and solid pass rushing.
The Eagles play a ton of nickel...and the plan is to use Gaither (who is great in coverage) in the middle on nickel, I don't expect Gocong or Trot to be put in the position of covering receivers too often [obviously sometimes it will be unavoidable].
I actually saw a few plays where Kearse dropped back into coverage.
He's about the only end (when healthy) that I think is ideally suited for zone blitz schemes like that :lmao: Cole has the speed, but isn't a good backpedaler, Howard is just too big and not fluid enough. To be fair, Juqua surprised me late in the year with decent coverage, but I'm not sure that's something we want to use him for with any frequency.
 
Deranged Hermit said:
Jason Wood said:
How did Gocong look? Anyone else getting OLB reps with the first unit?
Gocong looked good when I saw him last week. To be honest though, everyone paled in comparison to Spikes. That being said, a good recieving TE will probably be able to exploit that LB corp. They seemed really geared to stop the run, maybe too much.
Good recieving TE's like Shockey, Cooley, and Witten? :nerd: As an Eagles fan I am excited by the positive reviews on Spikes, and feel the LB's all around are better. But Spikes/Trotter/Gocong/McCoy et all are passing down liabilities. Hope JJ can mask it with the safeties and solid pass rushing.
The Eagles play a ton of nickel...and the plan is to use Gaither (who is great in coverage) in the middle on nickel, I don't expect Gocong or Trot to be put in the position of covering receivers too often [obviously sometimes it will be unavoidable].
:lmao:There's nothing wrong with a healthy Spikes in the nickel. If he's as healthy as he appears, he and Gaither will be a very, very good nickel pair.
 
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I will say that, this is the most optimistic I've been about the Eagles LB corps in the Reid/Johnson era. A HUGE part of that is Spikes staying healthy (I know, I know), but IF (a big if) these guys can stay on the field, this is far and away the most dangerous and talented group we've seen in a good while.

 
I will say that, this is the most optimistic I've been about the Eagles LB corps in the Reid/Johnson era. A HUGE part of that is Spikes staying healthy (I know, I know), but IF (a big if) these guys can stay on the field, this is far and away the most dangerous and talented group we've seen in a good while.
Stood right by both Trotter and Spikes while they signed some autographs - those guys are huge and insanely jacked. They're going to make some RBs hurt this year.
 
Woz said:
2. WRS - No single WR stood out to me. Looks like they'll have another cast of mediocre WRs this year which McNabb will still somehow produce with. Curtis and Brown ran with the first team and did fine - saw both make two highlight reel type catches. They could both make decent WR3s. Baskett really impressed me a lot with his size and hands. He's a late round sleeper IMO. Greg Lewis, who is insanely skinny, didn't do anything I saw and Bloom, while fast as hell, ran awful routes and was slipping constantly. Neither of these guys will do much this year.
I appreciate the comments but...1) "Looks like they'll have another cast of mediocre WRs this year" The last time they had a mediocre cast of WR they had THrash and Pinkston.. a while ago...Maybe you were confused and thinking of the Vikings' WRs....?2) based on other's reviews, I think you're off base...Most reviews (not including Spadaro.. the Eagles propaganda machine) have Brown and Curtis doing great. They may be WR3 on a Fatasy team but Brown is emerging as a top WR.. Curtis won't be much of dropoff from Donte and may exceed his #s.. Nobody thought Lewis will do much and he won't make the team most likely. Bloom is a nice player to have but saying he won't do much is silly because which team's #5 WR does much or is expected to do much. 3)oh yeah,, thanks For Baskett. enjoy McMullen again this year.. your #1 wideout probably!
 
Deranged Hermit said:
Jason Wood said:
How did Gocong look? Anyone else getting OLB reps with the first unit?
Gocong looked good when I saw him last week. To be honest though, everyone paled in comparison to Spikes. That being said, a good recieving TE will probably be able to exploit that LB corp. They seemed really geared to stop the run, maybe too much.
You just described Matt McCoy to a tee, the only difference is that Gocong (allegedly) knows how to tackle, McCoy most certainly does not.
Gocong can tackle. ;)Spikes, however, is a machine...
 
Deranged Hermit said:
Jason Wood said:
How did Gocong look? Anyone else getting OLB reps with the first unit?
Gocong looked good when I saw him last week. To be honest though, everyone paled in comparison to Spikes. That being said, a good recieving TE will probably be able to exploit that LB corp. They seemed really geared to stop the run, maybe too much.
Good recieving TE's like Shockey, Cooley, and Witten? ;)
That's why I mentioned it. Still though, those guys have always eaten Philly alive and they've still won. Don't expect that to change.
 
Woz said:
2. WRS - No single WR stood out to me. Looks like they'll have another cast of mediocre WRs this year which McNabb will still somehow produce with. Curtis and Brown ran with the first team and did fine - saw both make two highlight reel type catches. They could both make decent WR3s. Baskett really impressed me a lot with his size and hands. He's a late round sleeper IMO. Greg Lewis, who is insanely skinny, didn't do anything I saw and Bloom, while fast as hell, ran awful routes and was slipping constantly. Neither of these guys will do much this year.
I appreciate the comments but...1) "Looks like they'll have another cast of mediocre WRs this year" The last time they had a mediocre cast of WR they had THrash and Pinkston.. a while ago...Maybe you were confused and thinking of the Vikings' WRs....?2) based on other's reviews, I think you're off base...Most reviews (not including Spadaro.. the Eagles propaganda machine) have Brown and Curtis doing great. They may be WR3 on a Fatasy team but Brown is emerging as a top WR.. Curtis won't be much of dropoff from Donte and may exceed his #s.. Nobody thought Lewis will do much and he won't make the team most likely. Bloom is a nice player to have but saying he won't do much is silly because which team's #5 WR does much or is expected to do much. 3)oh yeah,, thanks For Baskett. enjoy McMullen again this year.. your #1 wideout probably!
I stated in my title that I was giving this a fantasy twist. I also then stated the WRs, with McNabb will be fine and that Curtis and Brown both looked solid. I just don't see either putting up monster numbers for fantasy. Lastly this is just my opinion after seeing a couple days of camp. ;)And ugh on that Baskett - McMullen trade. That was awful for us.
 
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I was at Wed morning practice and I agree with what Woz said on McNabb. Curtis did have a great diving deep ball catch.

Baskett did show good hands and a few leaping catches.

Curtis dropped a few short ones - I think he's not used to the pace of McNabb's ball (all the others have less of a gun).

I didn't see the fumbles, but then again I had my son and we were wandering about some.

Celek looks pretty good down the seam.

Greg Lewis - the guy just won't get cut. He does just enough to stay on the team most years. He should be the #4 or #5 option (Avant) this year. Bloom will be a KR specialist (and/or PR). Barksdale, JJ Outlaw and Jamison were returning kicks Wed morning.

Sean Considine had a nice hit on Hunt. CJ Gaddis also had a good practice.

Ilaoa isn't bad, but he isn't great either. Westy, C-Buck, Moats and Hunt will be your 4 backs. Ilaoa will have to make the grade at ST to make it, or wind up on the PS.

Takeo Spikes looks 100% healthy and quick. Howard is down on the second squad. TCole and Kearse are your starters. Bunkley looks adequate in the middle, not stellar. Jaqua Thomas is doing well.

Gocong is not standing out, but SAM LBs often don't. Trotter's being outshined by Takeo. Gaither is involved on the plays on the 2nd team, but like Woz I saw the main practice and most plays weren't at the LBs.

More will be learned on 8/13 vs. Baltimore.

Oh, ST note. Rocca was holding for Akers and they screwed up a hold. Not a good sign for the aussie punter.

#45 (Jeremy Cain) looks like the primary FB by the way. He was also a long snapper, which helps to make the team (Bartrum retired).

W. Thomas had the morning off. I didn't see LJ out there, and C-Buck and Westy both took the morning off.

CJ Gaddis was also in on a small fight vs. a WR, not sure which one (Outlaw?). Minor incident.

 
I really think people forget just how good Spikes was before his injury, and that he wasn't 100% last year. I think a bounceback season is in the cards for him. He is drastically undervalued in IDP leagues. There is no question he will help the Eagles defense a lot this year.

 
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Anthony Borbely said:
I really think people forget just how good Spikes was before his injury, and that he wasn't 100% last year. I think a bounceback season is in the cards for him. He is drastically undervalued in IDP leagues. There is no question he will help the Eagles defense a lot this year.
I keep saying that. Now since a Staff member is beating the drum people will listen. :hangover:
 
I will say that, this is the most optimistic I've been about the Eagles LB corps in the Reid/Johnson era. A HUGE part of that is Spikes staying healthy (I know, I know), but IF (a big if) these guys can stay on the field, this is far and away the most dangerous and talented group we've seen in a good while.
:excited:It does come down to how well McCoy, Gaither and Gacong (sp) progress as the season moves along.
 
1) "Looks like they'll have another cast of mediocre WRs this year" The last time they had a mediocre cast of WR they had THrash and Pinkston.. a while ago...Maybe you were confused and thinking of the Vikings' WRs....?
You seem to think "mediocre" means "pathetic" - ?Anyway Brown is certainly more than a WR3. Solid WR2 IMO, maybe even passable WR1 if you ignore WRs long enough.
 
thanks to all in this thread. very useful

regarding the D, do you guys like them from a FF perspective? seems like the homers are pumped from a personnel standpoint..

 
thanks to all in this thread. very usefulregarding the D, do you guys like them from a FF perspective? seems like the homers are pumped from a personnel standpoint..
I'm a Bears fan in Eagles country (no homer perspective from me) and I think the Eagles D provides tremendous value. They'll probably ranked around 8 or lower and I think they'll out play that ranking.Bunkley and Spikes have both looked tremendous. Kearse and Trotter both look re-invegorated. Sean Considine put on a lot of weight. He's been looking good. To the guy asked about Celek, he caught a few balls, but he's been used primarily as a blocker.
 

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