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We Seriously Cannot Keep Vetting Our Public Figures The Way We Do (1 Viewer)

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This is an adjacent thread to the Jeopardy! thread. Chime in here with stories, articles. We cannot do this anymore. We can't keep vetting people this way. There is nobody that makes it through. The only ones who do are fake. They're sociopaths. Then the only ones who stick around are tyrannical #######s who make people hew to their power. There has to be a middle ground, a way around. 

Any ideas, stories, thoughts are welcome here. 

 
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money can not be speech. the process is irredeemable as long as it is
Interesting, but right now this is honestly a bit of a non-sequitur. We can talk about campaign money another time. I’m talking about public vetting of public figures. That process. Which might inextricably be about  money, I guess, but at first blush it’s about public vetting. 

 
This is an adjacent thread to the Jeopardy! thread. Chime in here with stories, articles. We cannot do this anymore. We can't keep vetting people this way. There is nobody that makes it through. The only ones who do are fake sociopaths. Then the only ones who stick around are tyrannical #######s who make people hew to their power. There has to be a middle ground, a way around. 

Any ideas, stories, thoughts are welcome here. 


If you want to mitigate the risk of a rotten apple....don't pull one from the barrel....go to the tree.  

 
This is an adjacent thread to the Jeopardy! thread. Chime in here with stories, articles. We cannot do this anymore. We can't keep vetting people this way. There is nobody that makes it through. The only ones who do are fake sociopaths. Then the only ones who stick around are tyrannical #######s who make people hew to their power. There has to be a middle ground, a way around. 

Any ideas, stories, thoughts are welcome here. 
Yeah everyone lighten up.

If i was a gazzillionaire like Bezos, I'd buy Twitter and mothball it.  For real.  Yeah something would take it's place, and that's fine. I could at least know for a brief time I did something to help.

 
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I honestly feel bad for my six-year-old daughter and the world that she’s growing up into. You have to be perfect, no more room for mistakes or growth. You must be a fully formed, completely free from fault human being now and days.  The problem with all of that isn’t just the need to be perfect, it’s who’s doing the judging, everyone.  So you must be all things to all people.  How a person navigates those waters I just don’t know.  

 
Interesting, but right now this is honestly a bit of a non-sequitur. We can talk about campaign money another time. I’m talking about public vetting of public figures. That process. Which might inextricably be about  money, I guess, but at first blush it’s about public vetting. 


you simply dont understand Suckerdome. your values are no longer your own*.

*i'm only half-kidding

 
I honestly feel bad for my six-year-old daughter and the world that she’s growing up into. You have to be perfect, no more room for mistakes or growth. You must be a fully formed, completely free from fault human being now and days.  The problem with all of that isn’t just the need to be perfect, it’s who’s doing the judging, everyone.  So you must be all things to all people.  How a person navigates those waters I just don’t know.  


  Being humble; able to admit mistakes and able to admit that other people can teach you something.  Being human. Having empathy.  I think one of the problems that we're dealing with is the idea that those traits haven't been viewed as desirable amongst the Titans Of Industry/Mover and Shakers of the world. Unfortunately for the country, we still have a lot of leaders who cut their teeth with that mentality. 

 
If you want to mitigate the risk of a rotten apple....don't pull one from the barrel....go to the tree.  
So, a population of 12 year olds?

Being humble; able to admit mistakes and able to admit that other people can teach you something.  
See: Matt Damon.  He has done this and been excoriated over and over for not passing whatever purity test du jour is in place.

 
This is an adjacent thread to the Jeopardy! thread. Chime in here with stories, articles. We cannot do this anymore. We can't keep vetting people this way. There is nobody that makes it through. The only ones who do are fake sociopaths. Then the only ones who stick around are tyrannical #######s who make people hew to their power. There has to be a middle ground, a way around. 

Any ideas, stories, thoughts are welcome here. 


:mellow:

I am not aware of any public figures who have faked being a sociopath. 

 
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I’d like to think that’s untrue. One cannot drop out and succeed in inculcatingvthe larger values. Without represwe need to fight smaller issues to get to the big ones. I could explain in detail later. 


this is not a criticism, but your touchpoints have changed in the last 2-3 years and i dont see it as an adjustment to the climate. your vigor & rigor is unsullied, but your trust of what's behind your thought process appears diminished and your alarm hierarchies are almost fully manipulated from when i first started jabbering with you. it's Suckerdome

 
I honestly feel bad for my six-year-old daughter and the world that she’s growing up into. You have to be perfect, no more room for mistakes or growth. You must be a fully formed, completely free from fault human being now and days.  The problem with all of that isn’t just the need to be perfect, it’s who’s doing the judging, everyone.  So you must be all things to all people.  How a person navigates those waters I just don’t know.  


I agree.  Not only with the OP but that social media is ruining so many young childrens lives. If you look at the stats. The rise in suicide, depression, cutting, and other mental issues are directly related to social media.  Worry about my kids as well

 
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this is not a criticism, but your touchpoints have changed in the last 2-3 years and i dont see it as an adjustment to the climate. your vigor & rigor is unsullied, but your trust of what's behind your thought process appears diminished and your alarm hierarchies are almost fully manipulated from when i first started jabbering with you. it's Suckerdome


Hey wikkid, I'm sorry to hear that. Let me answer, because people engaged with me deserve an answer. I'm not sure that my touchpoints have necessarily changed. Maybe what you see in the form of my engagement on the board has led you to believe it so, but I still consider the same things when assessing what to think about. I still think about underlying concepts, of virtue and lassitude, of freedom and duty, but these things have taken a back seat because the culture has seemingly so utterly decided, both left and right, what to do about them in modern applications, that I find it necessary to engage at the sucker level. I still think a certain way about things, that's for sure. That hasn't really left me. 

What to write and engage about has become an entirely different matter. The constant criticism received both about abstraction and content have certainly left a mark about how I engage on this board, what I engage about. Lest it seem like principles betrayed, you'll notice the constant confusion when I try to bring up more abstract points. I've realized that political engagement must be done at the Suckerdome™ level, if you'll permit me. Speaking of that, permit me confusion: It took me years to figure out what you meant by "Gods and bugs." "Sucker" politics and "sucker" arguments is something you talk about that I've never fully understood because I've never caught the full explanation. I don't believe myself to have a false consciousness, which seems to be what you're implying. In Marxism, false consciousness is when the petit bourgeoise don't even understand the machinations of their own enslavement. So it seems you would posit about suckerdom in late-stage capitalism. The machinations and things we talk about politically are inessential to the real problems, the real meat of what is going, you seem to be saying. I would argue differently. 

The abstract points I once made have been subsumed, debated, and moved on from in their ultimate forms because the suck peddlers have won for the moment. What I mean by that is, I cannot debate the abstract merits of something like, say, majoritarianism vs. individualism by bringing up the movement of courts away from individual autonomous jurisprudence towards a pluralistic, sociological jurisprudence. These foundational, abstract concepts earn me idiotic comments by small-minded people like the guy who always makes niggling points in my thread and his ilk. They do not understand basic abstractions, so they resort to stupid points and trip-ups. They run cover for the intellectual bankruptcy that is the nightly cable news shows, those things that determine so much of our culture now. They've taken over, or we've ceded our lot to the worst of them, even on this board. That certain people still have a right to post here is gobsmacking to me. Even when their own side that they purport to be on hates them, they persist. This is a microcosm of our culture writ large. We have ceded the public debate to the worst among us, and it shows in our vetting and our hysteria. It is manufactured outrage, all of it, driven by a sensationalism and puritanism not found but for the Mayflower descendants. They win the day simply by catering to the worst impulses by the worst means. 

There is something else about suckerism, best I understand it, that makes it all the more sinister, and this is why it must be fought: Suckerism sneaks things through the back door that have real effects on people's lives. You and I differ on something, and that is the maxim Christopher Hitchens used to have. He fought at every level, generally among the intellectuals, but also in very real life by saying "you might be through with politics, but politics ain't through with you." And such is my belief. Watching the suckers gravitate towards Black Lives Matter where not only are corporations tripping over themselves to show how down they are to prevent a real race war, the corporations and HR departments have tripped over themselves too, mandating to people who just want to earn wage labor spoils how to think and act. How to behave. Never has a movement been as intrusive in my lifetime. And it's all based on suckerism, this kowtowing. 

So I fight its suckers, I fight the woke trans activists and the anti-Semitic rappers that are part of the BLM movement. It puts me in the cultural milieu now and dumbs me down, but that is a given. If I can explain in very simple terms how things that influence people on a very broad level have particular intellectual movements behind them, then that's what I'll do. I see life changing in America for much the worse, from the left with respect to culture, from the right with respect to anti-democratic politics and organizational leanings. The suckers have won for the time being; I'm fixing to fight for it back. 

And that's about it. Perhaps I have misunderstood your definition of Suckerism. That is quite possible. But the best I can suss out, it's the petty arguments over late-stage capitalism and media that pervade the landscape that would otherwise have no import on people's lives. But the problem with that is, it has an effect on my life because it affects the populace politically. The polis is now but the twinkling of a pollster's eye, depending, of course, on who is asking the questions and how. 

Of course, it may happen that it is because I am sober now, less drunk, and not crying about the death of God or upset over the grander things anymore. Perhaps it is gratitude about the little things that has led me to lose the larger picture, the bigger meaning. I do not think so, but so it is. Anyway, the topics I start prove larger points about culture and if I can generate discussion and walk back the tangible to the abstract, then I'll engage the suckers to the nth. 

So it is. 

 
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  Being humble; able to admit mistakes and able to admit that other people can teach you something.  Being human. Having empathy.  I think one of the problems that we're dealing with is the idea that those traits haven't been viewed as desirable amongst the Titans Of Industry/Mover and Shakers of the world. Unfortunately for the country, we still have a lot of leaders who cut their teeth with that mentality. 


believe me - and the folks who know me can back it up - i have thought for literally thousands of hours about the grafting point where we can retain the good of the 1st 10,000 years of civilization and allow human progress to flower from that root in the sunlight of modern societal needs, and politics, finance, religion, sociology, even psychology (my specialty) dont suffice. it's morals....................it's Christ.

i am not a Christian. but it's Jesus alright. folks who profess to believe in him (who mostly live about 1% of his preachings) wont allow me to say that his claim to godliness is "excusable" in the light of those Messianic times. they need his infallibility, i guess.

i dont. i need the humility, the honest purpose, the value and valuation of sacrifice, that the give is truly the get. nothing says we have to measure a person by what they can prove, but it is so admired that folks keep proving #### at the speed which gets them most admired, to the cost of their and their loved ones' happiness and well-being.

God or no, we need revere what each individual can provide more than what they can prove and honor that by asking them to provide more. It is the only true value. "What am i worth?", we ask ourselves and our world with almost our every breath. There is no sufficing answer in the taking world. There is in the giving one.

 
I meant a fake person who is also a sociopath. "Fake" being a Holden Caulfield-esque designation. But you know this. Your point is to ruin this thread, and it'll get reported. 


No, I didn't know that, which is why I asked. Referring to people as "fake sociopaths" made no sense to me.

And I doubt if i called someone a "fake liberal" that anyone would think I meant a fake person who is also a liberal. 

 
Hey wikkid, I'm sorry to hear that. Let me answer, because people engaged with me deserve an answer. I'm not sure that my touchpoints have necessarily changed. Maybe what you see in the form of my engagement on the board has led you to believe it so, but I still consider the same things when assessing what to think about. I still think about underlying concepts, of virtue and lassitude, of freedom and duty, but these things have taken a back seat because the culture has seemingly so utterly decided, both left and right, what to do about them in modern applications, that I find it necessary to engage at the sucker level. I still think a certain way about things, that's for sure. That hasn't really left me. 

What to write and engage about has become an entirely different matter. The constant criticism received both about abstraction and content have certainly left a mark about how I engage on this board, what I engage about. Lest it seem like principles betrayed, you'll notice the constant confusion when I try to bring up more abstract points. I've realized that political engagement must be done at the Suckerdome™ level, if you'll permit me. Speaking of that, permit me confusion: It took me years to figure out what you meant by "Gods and bugs." "Sucker" politics and "sucker" arguments is something you talk about that I've never fully understood because I've never caught the full explanation. I don't believe myself to have a false consciousness, which seems to be what you're implying. In Marxism, false consciousness is when the petit bourgeoise don't even understand the machinations of their own enslavement. So it seems you would posit about suckerdom in late-stage capitalism. The machinations and things we talk about politically are inessential to the real problems, the real meat of what is going, you seem to be saying. I would argue differently. 

The abstract points I once made have been subsumed, debated, and moved on from in their ultimate forms because the suck peddlers have won for the moment. What I mean by that is, I cannot debate the abstract merits of something like, say, majoritarianism vs. individualism by bringing up the movement of courts away from individual autonomous jurisprudence towards a pluralistic, sociological jurisprudence. These foundational, abstract concepts earn me idiotic comments by small-minded people like the guy who always makes niggling points in my thread and his ilk. They do not understand basic abstractions, so they resort to stupid points and trip-ups. They run cover for the intellectual bankruptcy that is the nightly cable news shows, those things that determine so much of our culture now. They've taken over, or we've ceded our lot to the worst of them, even on this board. That certain people still have a right to post here is gobsmacking to me. Even when their own side that they purport to be on hates them, they persist. This is a microcosm of our culture writ large. We have ceded the public debate to the worst among us, and it shows in our vetting and our hysteria. It is manufactured outrage, all of it, driven by a sensationalism and puritanism not found but for the Mayflower descendants. They win the day simply by catering to the worst impulses by the worst means. 

There is something else about suckerism, best I understand it, that makes it all the more sinister, and this is why it must be fought: Suckerism sneaks things through the back door that have real effects on people's lives. You and I differ on something, and that is the maxim Christopher Hitchens used to have. He fought at every level, generally among the intellectuals, but also in very real life by saying "you might be through with politics, but politics ain't through with you." And such is my belief. Watching the suckers gravitate towards Black Lives Matter where not only are corporations tripping over themselves to show how down they are to prevent a real race war, the corporations and HR departments have tripped over themselves too, mandating to people who just want to earn wage labor spoils how to think and act. How to behave. Never has a movement been as intrusive in my lifetime. And it's all based on suckerism, this kowtowing. 

So I fight its suckers, I fight the woke trans activists and the anti-Semitic rappers that are part of the BLM movement. It puts me in the cultural milieu now and dumbs me down, but that is a given. If I can explain in very simple terms how things that effect people on a very broad level have particular intellectual movements behind them, then that's what I'll do. I see life changing in America for much the worse, from the left with respect to culture, from the right with respect to anti-democratic politics and organizational leanings. The suckers have won for the time being; I'm fixing to fight for it back. 

And that's about it. Perhaps I have misunderstood your definition of Suckerism. That is quite possible. But the best I can suss out, it's the petty arguments over late-stage capitalism and media that pervade the landscape that would otherwise have no import on people's lives. But the problem with that is, it has an effect on my life because it affects the populace in a political matter. The polis is now but the twinkling of a pollster's eye, depending, of course, on who is asking the questions and how. 

Of course, it may happen that it is because I am sober now, less drunk, and not crying about the death of God or upset over the grander things anymore. Perhaps it is gratitude about the little things that has led to lose the larger picture, the bigger meaning. I do not think so, but so it is. Anyway, the topics I start prove larger points about culture and if I can generate discussion and walk back the tangible to the abstract, then I'll engage the suckers to the nth. 

So it is. 


that's why the first thing i said was that this was not a criticsim. you fight well and hard as always, but i honestly believe media has moved your magnetic pole, as it has moved everyone's. the vast majority of human beings wake up wanting things to go well, and they lose that battle minute-by-minute thru the day fighting toward acceptance by and relevance within a manufactured basis for existence. Suckerdome has no use for your honest concerns, your generated good feelings and solid bases. it wants you coveting & worshipping & cliquing & clamoring, reacting & recoiling, in constant flux. and, if Suckerdome doesnt have that already, it has a terrifyingly abiding momentum toward getting it. getting it all.

i try not to use my years in arguments anymore because it makes others pigeonhole what i'm trying to say, but time has put me in the fortunate position to have borne witness to every day and many moves in the the existence of Suckerdome (Lee Atwater, with a silent Roger Ailes in tow, warned us of it when he crashed the Carter Suite @ the 1980 Dem Nat Convention - and i dont tell y'all that for the politics of it). it's like slavery (yeah, i know) in that, merchants & movers & associated meddlers didnt say "if we had slaves, we'd have it all!". they said "y'know, this would be easier with indentured labor", then "y'know, if we instituted indentured labor first, we could not only make a LOT of dough on cotton & rice, but the trade of indentured labor", then "whaddya know, this indentured labor makes us a LOT closer to the kings & queens, lords & ladies, we had to run away from cuz they ran everything". boom....slavery

boom............................Suckerdome

 
i honestly believe media has moved your magnetic pole, as it has moved everyone's. the vast majority of human beings wake up wanting things to go well, and they lose that battle minute-by-minute thru the day fighting toward acceptance by and relevance within a manufactured basis for existence. Suckerdome has no use for your honest concerns, your generated good feelings and solid bases. it wants you coveting & worshipping & cliquing & clamoring, reacting & recoiling, in constant flux. and, if Suckerdome doesnt have that already, it has a terrifyingly abiding momentum toward getting it. getting it all.
Nice of you not to be too critical. This movement towards a magnetic pole might seriously have something to do with my sobriety, as I engage with more and more people every day with daily concerns, instead of taking weeks immolating. I don't think that can be underestimated. Their concerns and vanities and successes and failures now become of importance to me, and perhaps this has moved me to a state of being that is less abstract and more in relevant and deviled details. 

That you have pointed this out can be nothing but good, and I'll make sure to look for it in both topics and thought. I grew up with artists and mentors who tried to divorce themselves from suckerdom and modern concerns. I took it as gospel and shibboleth, and I can always use the input about what direction I'm heading in.  

 
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Who has faked being a sociopath and why would anyone do that? 


a sociopath - not to be confused with a psychopath - is someone without scruples or compunction, who operates with entirely no care for societal norms. if that does not describe a talking head in a world where truth has become a fetish, i dont know what does

 
Nice of you not to be too critical. This movement towards a magnetic pole might seriously have something to do with my sobriety, as I engage with more and more people every day with daily concerns, instead of taking weeks immolating. I don't think that can be underestimated. Their concerns and vanities and successes and failures now become of importance to me, and perhaps this has moved me to a state of being that is less abstract and more in relevant and deviled details. 

That you have pointed this out can be nothing but good, and I'll make sure to look for it in both topics and thought. I grew up with artists and mentors who tried to divorce themselves from suckerdom and modern concerns. I took it as gospel and shibboleth, and I can always use the input about what direction I'm heading in.  


artists, even the most raw, have brands now and must enter Suckerdome to monetize their efforts. abracadabra, *poof*..... suckers.

 
The cancel culture certainly has issues. 

The host of "Jeopardy" though isn't like a comedian or artist. Pretty much just talking hairdo who is supposed to not offend anyone. Haven't read what this guy did to get the boot.

 
The cancel culture certainly has issues. 

The host of "Jeopardy" though isn't like a comedian or artist. Pretty much just talking hairdo who is supposed to not offend anyone. Haven't read what this guy did to get the boot.
Locker room talk.

Richards' old podcast, in which he made derogatory remarks about little people, Jews, people receiving unemployment benefits and sexist comments about women. He "repeatedly used offensive language and disparaged women's bodies," McNear reported.

 
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Locker room talk.

Richards' old podcast, in which he made derogatory remarks about little people, Jews, people receiving unemployment benefits and sexist comments about women. He "repeatedly used offensive language and disparaged women's bodies," McNear reported.
Ooof. I assume this was a comedy thing (which folks should be allowed context and grey area with language) but not really Jeopardy host material…maybe hosting Celebrity Roasts on Comedy Central are in his future. 

 
Jeopardy! really has its own thread. I'm more discussing the vetting of public officials in the way we scrutinize public figures. 

 
So, a population of 12 year olds?

See: Matt Damon.  He has done this and been excoriated over and over for not passing whatever purity test du jour is in place.


Maher does a great job of summing up Matt Damon.  To that, the over-correction in regards to MAH DAHMAN! (Team America joke) will have to be re-corrected as the neo-Culture War Power Barons will need to start exhibiting those desirable traits they demand from others.  It's a process.

12 year olds are a bit too young...but how about we start by splitting the difference between the 12 year old and the average age of the Pelosis. McConnells, Trumps, Bidens, Clintons etc. etc.?

 
Any ideas, stories, thoughts are welcome here. 


Sometimes firefighters roll up onto a scene and the best strategy is to let what's in front of them burn to the ground.

Big Tech, Big Social Media, Big Education, MSM, most of Hollywood, Big Sports, the list goes on and on about who went woke for profit and virtue signaling.

Matt Damon wasn't crying too loud when the Bourne franchise was rolling and he had massive leverage and he decided to use it to join Paul Greengrass again and make...The Green Zone... which was a self indulgent political lecture by Damon and Greengrass to all the unwashed masses.

It's not just the pandemic, MLB, the NBA and NFL won't really like where woke is going take their bottom line. Did anyone in modern American history ever say, " Wow, damn, I love that the NFL just went so damn woke, I've never cared about sports in my life, now I'm going to buy Red Zone, buy season tickets and every Nike I can find where I'll ignore they are made in a Chinese concentration camp by children working at gunpoint"

How will Jack Dorsey feel in post 2024, when either Nikki Haley and/or Ron De Santis takes POTUS with a Super Majority and Section 230 disappears? Then Haley orders the DOJ to sweep everything related to Dorsey to find any vulnerability. Might not get Dorsey for being woke but won't be hard to get him for tax evasion. Dorsey has supported Anti-Semetic leanings via Twitter. His own personal account even went on a massive anti-Jewish tirade and his excuse was "he was hacked"  Haley is established as Pro Israel and all her big money backers wearing yarmulkes will want ROI on getting her into office. How will Dorsey feel in federal prison making grilled cheese on a radiator?

What happens when David Barrett, CEO of Expensify, who blasted his entire client list and non subscribed sub list of over 10 million people with a political message telling them who to vote for and why, ends up with no return phone calls and no one willing to offer capital investment anymore. What happens when Haley backchannels the IRS to audit him year after year. As well as his entire family and all his closest allies.

What no one talks about is the cancel culture turning a full 360 at some point. What happens when the wokest and the most ardent Pro China for Chinese dollars and the biggest virtue signalers are forced to run the gauntlet?

Does anyone think establishment Republicans with a Super Majority will be any more merciful than the left has given them this past election cycle?

There was a place and time in America where people " in the game " understood there were civilians. You could go after Bill and Hillary, but not Chelsea at Stanford. Now there are no more civilians. There's just blood lust. Now people will be given marching orders to dig through Malia Obama's trash can to find anything they can to put her in prison. Barron Trump will have to have bodyguards the rest of his life because of people who are upset with his father.

If you were a firefighter carrying shades of Ray Bradbury, would you risk your life, your pension, your families safety to go inside an inferno inside a rat hole? What exactly are you saving? Or would you get lawn chair, open up a beer ( call it a retro Zima for the limp wristed manlets among us now) , and get some marshmellows?

I can see Matt Damon sitting on the curb alone, sobbing while sipping a Zima.  Should have stayed on Mars and kept growing potatoes you woke idiot. Now you have to eat the whole damn meal without ketchup.

Let them all burn.

 
12 year olds are a bit too young...but how about we start by splitting the difference between the 12 year old and the average age of the Pelosis. McConnells, Trumps, Bidens, Clintons etc. etc.?
That average age is the height of fallible behavior.  I was pointing out 12 year olds as the only population likely to pass current purity tests.

 

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