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Is there any way we could refrain from the use of the word, VACCINE? Why can't it just be called what it really is? A flu shot!!! (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

Ministry of Pain

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I try and be honest with all of you and when I engage I go out of my way to try and understand peoples feelings and the emotions of what is causing mass hysteria IMHO. We are just getting thru some serious Covid sickness in our family/in laws so I'm with you all that feel like until you really get a good stiff scare from this its not real. 

We've tried to brand them as vaccines and tell people it is the cure all to this but then we have people still getting the virus after their "vaccines" and while they mostly do not die from the CV-19, we have no way of knowing what this thing could do long term to some folks who contract it and survive.

-Open your mind, think outside the box, just call it a flu shot and you want everyone to live thru this pandemic and that you really care about the well being of people and I think more folks would "take one for the team" is all I am trying to point out. 

Bill Maher spoke about some of the way i feel and I understand the psf thread but this is not political IMO, it gets puled into that with flag waiving and jersey colors but let's have a civil discussion without people pointing fingers and shouting. Its not necessary in here because we already know that most of us took the shots and did our part. Stop hating the person next door to you and start trying to find in roads and commonalties. 

Free flu shots as a path of entry to/for unvaccinated people who want what is being showcased or performed inside is still the best way i think to get people smiling and singing and getting their shots...we can get to 75% of the population easily by trying honey vs fire and brimstone. 

This has been a very painful journey for many, and I am understanding of the emotions. I am not trying to poke the bear here, I want to discuss ways we can encourage people to try and do what is right so the rest can relax and focus on other things that help keep this country rolling along.

BTW:Don't make this about a science term of vaccine/flu shot, I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything scientific, this is a pure marketing ploy and I think most of you will agree, MoP knows how to market and get control of the Com Mic when needed. 

Has anyone else thought we might be going about this wrong in our approach to get as many Americans vaccinated as possible? What have some of you all come up with as a solution to all of this? 

 
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just from recent experience here (pre-pandemic) i'd say 20% of people in my office got the flu shot. that's just culled from informal chats with people. everyone just kind of assumes they'll get it, will be a little sick and move on with their lives.

i don't think calling the covid-19 vaccine "a flu shot" for marketing purposes makes people more willing/likely to get vaccinated.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I try and be honest with all of you and when I engage I go out of my way to try and understand peoples feelings and the emotions of what is causing mass hysteria IMHO. We are just getting thru some serious Covid sickness in our family/in laws so I'm with you all that feel like until you really get a good stiff scare from this its not real. 

We've tried to brand them as vaccines and tell people it is the cure all to this but then we have people still getting the virus after their "vaccines" and while they mostly do not die from the CV-19, we have no way of knowing what this thing could do long term to some folks who contract it and survive.

-Open your mind, think outside the box, just call it a flu shot and you want everyone to live thru this pandemic and that you really care about the well being of people and I think more folks would "take one for the team" is all I am trying to point out. 

Bill Maher spoke about some of the way i feel and I understand the psf thread but this is not political IMO, it gets puled into that with flag waiving and jersey colors but let's have a civil discussion without people pointing fingers and shouting. Its not necessary in here because we already know that most of us took the shots and did our part. Stop hating the person next door to you and start trying to find in roads and commonalties. 

Free flu shots as a path of entry to/for unvaccinated people who want what is being showcased or performed inside is still the best way i think to get people smiling and singing and getting their shots...we can get to 75% of the population easily by trying honey vs fire and brimstone. 

This has been a very painful journey for many, and I am understanding of the emotions. I am not trying to poke the bear here, I want to discuss ways we can encourage people to try and do what is right so the rest can relax and focus on other things that help keep this country rolling along.

BTW:Don't make this about a science term of vaccine/flu shot, I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything scientific, this is a pure marketing ploy and I think most of you will agree, MoP knows how to market and get control of the Com Mic when needed. 

Has anyone else thought we might be going about this wrong in our approach to get as many Americans vaccinated as possible? What have some of you all come up with as a solution to all of this? 
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It is political, dispute what you may desire.

Bait and switches ultimately backfire.

This would only confuse the issue more, therefore making the situation worse for us all.

 
mr. furley said:
just from recent experience here (pre-pandemic) i'd say 20% of people in my office got the flu shot. that's just culled from informal chats with people. everyone just kind of assumes they'll get it, will be a little sick and move on with their lives.

i don't think calling the covid-19 vaccine "a flu shot" for marketing purposes makes people more willing/likely to get vaccinated.
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:jawdrop:    say whhhhhhhhat?!

That's stunning to me. Can you share more since in most threads related to Covid it seems everyone has been vaccinated 3x and is out with signs in the neighborhood in one hand and a needle ready to administer the shot in the other. What is unique about your office and do you in any way mind that so many to this point have opted out of participating?

 
Ministry of Pain said:
:jawdrop:    say whhhhhhhhat?!

That's stunning to me. Can you share more since in most threads related to Covid it seems everyone has been vaccinated 3x and is out with signs in the neighborhood in one hand and a needle ready to administer the shot in the other. What is unique about your office and do you in any way mind that so many to this point have opted out of participating?
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The posters on this board do not represent any semblance of the real world population. This board is like 95% (Im exaggerating for effect) old, white, rich, liberals.

 
jobarules said:
Only 49% of our population gets the flu shot.
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It gets much worse actually, I am reading that most flu shots are only 40-60% effective and I think these new ones by Pfizer and Moderna are much higher than that. Aren't they 90% or higher in the first 5-6 months. We are learning that they wear off or you need to get some kind of booster or add on eventually. I've never heard of a vaccine that needed that. 

"New and Improved flu shots, you won't die!" that's a good marketing push. 

 
mr. furley said:
just from recent experience here (pre-pandemic) i'd say 20% of people in my office got the flu shot. that's just culled from informal chats with people. everyone just kind of assumes they'll get it, will be a little sick and move on with their lives.

i don't think calling the covid-19 vaccine "a flu shot" for marketing purposes makes people more willing/likely to get vaccinated.
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I agree, I don't know many younger people who get the flu shot. I finally got mine for the first time last fall just figuring if COVID is around and the flu, it's best to take whatever steps possible to not get sick. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
It gets much worse actually, I am reading that most flu shots are only 40-60% effective and I think these new ones by Pfizer and Moderna are much higher than that. Aren't they 90% or higher in the first 5-6 months. We are learning that they wear off or you need to get some kind of booster or add on eventually. I've never heard of a vaccine that needed that. 

"New and Improved flu shots, you won't die!" that's a good marketing push. 
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There are tons of vaccines that require boosters.

Vaccine boosters that children need include:

Hepatitis A

Hepatitis B

Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)

Measles-mumps-rubella (MMR)

Tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis (Tdap)

Varicella

Vaccine boosters you may need as a teen or adult include:

Tdap (every 10 years)

Shingles

Pneumonia

Varicella

MMR

 
trader jake said:
It is political, dispute what you may desire.

Bait and switches ultimately backfire.

This would only confuse the issue more, therefore making the situation worse for us all.
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I disagree Jake and I respect your viewpoint, we don't have to hit it back and forth. It's not bait and switch IMHO, it's about coming clean with citizens and not pushing them into the vaccine booth out of pure fear. This virus has a lot less punch in the healthy side of the population which I actually limit to like 10% of the popultion these days that is really so fit and bulletproof they don't need it. That's fine, we still would vaccinate most of the rest of the folks. 

The problem is fat people are jealous that healthy folks are skipping the shots in their 20s 30s and 40s and feel like somehow its not fair or the also don't need to protect themselves. 

Trying to convince the healthy folks they might die from Covid is a waste of time IMO, never gonna happen. This community is pretty tight and they already feel like they make a lot of sacrifices and exceptions for unhealthy folks as it is. They by and large don't trust the entire Commercial Health Industry and know most of that is set up to market to the weak and overweight thinking they can buy their way to health with a $2,500 machine, it doesn't work like that. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
:jawdrop:    say whhhhhhhhat?!

That's stunning to me. Can you share more since in most threads related to Covid it seems everyone has been vaccinated 3x and is out with signs in the neighborhood in one hand and a needle ready to administer the shot in the other. What is unique about your office and do you in any way mind that so many to this point have opted out of participating?
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:shrug:  conservative area. lots of rural folks move here to "the big city". midwestern work ethic which means "being sick" is a sign of weakness and nobody likes to admit that they are/can get sick.

general acceptance of just being miserable all winter anyways. the flu is part and parcel to living here. 

do i care if people opt out of the flu shot? it's stupid to me since it's free, painless, prevents me from being miserable and only helps everyone else. but there's no changing people's minds on the topic.

 
DaVinci said:
A flu shot is a vaccine. :shrug:
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Wife keeps telling me this and since they are only about 50% effective from my internet note gathering it seems like they aren't all that effective. Can you imagine if viagra was marketed as a 50/50 product?

Flu shots I mean in general not the Vaccine being pushed at the moment. 

 
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Also there's a lot of people who feel COVID is just the flu and that is why they don't take it serious so this kind of plays into their thinking of, "see it's just the flu, not a big deal". No vaccine is 100% effective. The flu shot is a vaccine. There are just so many people who don't get it and so many different strains of the flu that it isn't 100% effective.  Even the polio vaccine for example doesn't guarantee one will never get polio (though it is quite effective). We were very aggressive in making sure everyone was vaccinated and this is what truly eradicated polio in the United States. People don't get it because it's not out there to catch since it can't survive and replicate without human cells. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
I agree, I don't know many younger people who get the flu shot. I finally got mine for the first time last fall just figuring if COVID is around and the flu, it's best to take whatever steps possible to not get sick. 
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didn't start getting the annual flu shot until we had kids

around that time my company had a nurse come in and administer them right in one of our conference rooms. made not getting one in to willful ignorance and i was embarrassed to pass up the opportunity, i guess.

i'd been sick as hell at least once or twice every winter prior to that... always just chalked it up to winter cold/illness/whatever that basically everyone here gets at some point. it's unavoidable. you suffer badly for a few days, then feel terrible for a week and rally. 

since getting the flu shot i haven't had that happen. still get winter colds, but nothing like laid out puking, shaking with chills, headaches, body aches, etc for 2-3 days.

 
FairWarning said:
I work with the public, and also a caregiver.  I will get it if I am supposed to 
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I don't see how you have any choice but to take the vaccine and any and all boosters if you make a living day to day with sick folks. 

-I did some food drive volunteer work with a local church, went to this one door for a lady in a walker, I wanted to come inside and put her food away for her but she was old, using a walker, no masks, I thought I might kill her so i just set the groceries inside her door and felt really bad about that. Also the place was filthy and if there any germs in there they had easily won the war, sad. 

 
mr. furley said:
didn't start getting the annual flu shot until we had kids

around that time my company had a nurse come in and administer them right in one of our conference rooms. made not getting one in to willful ignorance and i was embarrassed to pass up the opportunity, i guess.

i'd been sick as hell at least once or twice every winter prior to that... always just chalked it up to winter cold/illness/whatever that basically everyone here gets at some point. it's unavoidable. you suffer badly for a few days, then feel terrible for a week and rally. 

since getting the flu shot i haven't had that happen. still get winter colds, but nothing like laid out puking, shaking with chills, headaches, body aches, etc for 2-3 days.
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:blackdot:

 
Ministry of Pain said:
This virus has a lot less punch in the healthy side of the population which I actually limit to like 10% of the popultion these days that is really so fit and bulletproof they don't need it. That's fine, we still would vaccinate most of the rest of the folks. 
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Nobody is bulletproof here, even if it's mainly the risk of them passing it on to others.  If the only ones not getting vaccinated were the healthiest 10% (or some similar cohort) we'd be in much better shape.  Instead we are where we are...hoping a large enough percentage of people do the right thing to help minimize the risks to us all.

Ministry of Pain said:
Wife keeps telling me this and since they are only about 50% effective from my internet note gathering it seems like they aren't all that effective. Can you imagine if viagra was marketed as a 50/50 product?

Flu shots I mean in general not the Vaccine being pushed at the moment. 
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It's just risk mitigation.  For you, for those you come in contact with, and for those they come into contact with, etc.  "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."  Benjamin Franklin was on to something there.  The Covid vaccine is prevention, not cure.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I don't see how you have any choice but to take the vaccine and any and all boosters if you make a living day to day with sick folks. 

-I did some food drive volunteer work with a local church, went to this one door for a lady in a walker, I wanted to come inside and put her food away for her but she was old, using a walker, no masks, I thought I might kill her so i just set the groceries inside her door and felt really bad about that. Also the place was filthy and if there any germs in there they had easily won the war, sad. 
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Guy I worked with for over 20 years said it was his right, now he has Covid pneumonia.  I just caregive for my 88-YO uncle now, but also go to the nursing home to see my mother.  

 
trader jake said:
Nobody is bulletproof here, even if it's mainly the risk of them passing it on to others.  If the only ones not getting vaccinated were the healthiest 10% (or some similar cohort) we'd be in much better shape.  Instead we are where we are...hoping a large enough percentage of people do the right thing to help minimize the risks to us all.

It's just risk mitigation.  For you, for those you come in contact with, and for those they come into contact with, etc.  "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."  Benjamin Franklin was on to something there.  The Covid vaccine is prevention, not cure.
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Work with me TJ, we're having a marketing discussion more so than science, or at least I am. 

You agree that there is a section of the population not likely to come down deathly ill with this, exceptions always but there is almost no point of saying "Nobody is bulletproof" that's the kind of stuff that is going to only infuriate the folks who go out of their way to be healthy. Do you think it is easy passing on sweets and treats that 90% of the population stuffs into their mouths? It's always incredible to me when folks don't seem to respect how hard the health community works at trying to be their absolute best. The 90% like to say "they have good genes" and that statement removes them from having to manage themselves, it's just not their fault, 

Back to my idea though, why don't we show a really fit person in their 40s, 50s, 60s and beyond and let people know if you don't look like this, you got a much higher chance of death and show 100 people out of shape sitting in an ER or laying down in the hallways of hospitals crippled over with Covid and we might have more folks getting these flu shots. 

I want transparency at this point, no more games and fibs by those involved. This has to come to an end sooner or later or something far worse is going to happen. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I want transparency at this point, no more games and fibs by those involved. This has to come to an end sooner or later or something far worse is going to happen. 
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On the above, we wholeheartedly agree.  Sadly, I'm not sure facts are especially motivating though.  Seeing negative impacts first hand may be the sole motivating factor for some that are dug in on the issue.  This may be as severe as seeing a loved one in the hospital or as simple as not being able to attend an event without proof of vaccination.

To your health perspective, I'm one of those extremely healthy individuals in my mid-40s.  As much as anything, I'm realistic that "by doing the right things" I put myself in a better position to fight off illness/disease/negative effects of covid should I get it/etc, but it's all a crapshoot to a certain extent. A healthy, 30 year-old jogger can suffer a heart attack while the chain-smoking 90 year-old keeps puffing along.  Of course the odds are against that unhealthier person, but simply showing healthy people fighting Covid off and then showing unhealthy people suffering dire consequences won't substantially improve vaccination rates.  Just like it hasn't greatly improved people's food choices or levels of physical activity for a very long time now.  People know the basic facts of calories in vs calories out and they do what they do.

With Covid and vaccination efforts...we'd be wise to avoid that model of motivation because we already know it doesn't materially impact those that need to be motivated most.  At this point I'm entirely unsure what will motivate more people to get vaccinated, but I hope someone does. I'm glad more people are like you trying to come up with something, anything, that will do so.  Continued luck MOP, keep your chin up.

 
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trader jake said:
On the above, we wholeheartedly agree.  Sadly, I'm not sure facts are especially motivating though.  Seeing negative impacts first hand may be the sole motivating factor for some that are dug in on the issue.  This may be as severe as seeing a loved one in the hospital or as simple as not being able to attend an event without proof of vaccination.
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We had that with the in-laws this past week. Papa was diagnosed with Pneumonia so i really don't know how he is out of the hospital at this point, they must have pumped him with the good stuff, I still expect him to roll back to showing signs of illness before he is out of the woods on this. 70 and unvaccinated to boot. I posted about it in the other CV-19 thread relating to our family illness from it and how it impacted my son terribly as the care giver for 3 folks all pushing 70 refusing to take the vaccine, its been hell on him especially since at 22 he IS VACCINATED and has to for work purposes IMHO, same @FairWarning 

trader jake said:
To your health perspective, I'm one of those extremely healthy individuals in my mid-40s.  As much as anything, I'm realistic that "by doing the right things" I put myself in a better position to fight off illness/disease/negative effects of covid should I get it/etc, but it's all a crapshoot to a certain extent. A healthy, 30 year-old jogger can suffer a heart attack while the chain-smoking 90 year-old keeps puffing along.  Of course the odds are against that unhealthier person, but simply showing healthy people fighting Covid off and then showing unhealthy people suffering dire consequences won't substantially improve vaccination rates.  Just like it hasn't greatly improved people's food choices or levels of physical activity for a very long time now.  People know the basic facts of calories in vs calories out and they do what they do.

With Covid and vaccination efforts...we'd be wise to avoid that model of motivation because we already know it doesn't materially impact those that need to be motivated most.  At this point I'm entirely unsure what will motivate more people to get vaccinated, but I hope someone does. I'm glad more people are like you trying to come up with something, anything, that will do so.  Continued luck MOP, keep your chin up.
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Match Game: "How healthy is he?"

Trader Jake is so healthy that when he went in for his physical, the doctor jumped up on the table instead. 

And people know the basics about many things including investing/saving money which is definitely in their day to day field of vision and yet most still stink at it. 

I also think some heavyweights with cache in the Conservative Circles should step out there and join Bill Maher in taking one for the team. Livestream the vaccination for all to see, get this issue past a tug of war over political ideology. 

And I haven't even brought up how in the black community that vaccination rates are much lower than we are even discussing in here, that's got to be a major concern for folks but you hear very little about it in the media right now. 

 
Never got a flu shot until they came to my work and offered them.  So first one was 3 years ago 

I'll get a booster if I'm in the Drs. Office and they say I'm due.   I won't go out of my way to do it.

 
mr. furley said:
didn't start getting the annual flu shot until we had kids

around that time my company had a nurse come in and administer them right in one of our conference rooms. made not getting one in to willful ignorance and i was embarrassed to pass up the opportunity, i guess.

i'd been sick as hell at least once or twice every winter prior to that... always just chalked it up to winter cold/illness/whatever that basically everyone here gets at some point. it's unavoidable. you suffer badly for a few days, then feel terrible for a week and rally. 

since getting the flu shot i haven't had that happen. still get winter colds, but nothing like laid out puking, shaking with chills, headaches, body aches, etc for 2-3 days.
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I never got sick like that so I just never bothered with the flu shot, even when it was free at work. My wife had been trying to convince me and other friends to get it to help other people which once COVID came clicked with me. Also I figured anything to prevent feeling sick and worrying I had COVID or having to go get tested. I will get one every year now. 

 
I might start taking pneumonia shots soon.

I'm prone to heavy chest congestion, had pneumonia and it was awful...I know they say 65, but my doctor said something to talk about

 
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jobarules said:
Only 49% of our population gets the flu shot.
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Ilov80s said:
I agree, I don't know many younger people who get the flu shot. I finally got mine for the first time last fall just figuring if COVID is around and the flu, it's best to take whatever steps possible to not get sick. 
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I’ve only gotten the flu shot once in my life, when my wife was pregnant and our Dr. told me to.  Got my vaccine the first day I was eligible.   Minimizing this to a “flu shot” (regardless of the reality of what it actually may be) would be a massive mistake IMO.  Though truth is at this point nothing would matter, opinions and decisions are fully formed already.  

 
belljr said:
Never got a flu shot until they came to my work and offered them.  So first one was 3 years ago 

I'll get a booster if I'm in the Drs. Office and they say I'm due.   I won't go out of my way to do it.
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Fair enough, I've never gotten flu shots in the past. 

-But I am not bulletproof at all, just optimistic that i will not be an overweight slug the rest of my life like I had done leading up to this last 15-18 months where I have turned things around for myself thru old fashioned exercise and better eating. But I have gotten sick and gotten the flu before in my life, usually catch it form the Mrs who gets her flu shots usually most years and she still will come down with the sniffles a couple times. 

This leads me to my point about driving in blood mobiles but instead of blood they are armed with needles and vaccines, drive them right into the heart of neighborhoods and administer free shots for ALL. Takes some fo the fuss out about booking appointments and spending too much time in the wait rooms. 

 
dkp993 said:
I’ve only gotten the flu shot once in my life, when my wife was pregnant and our Dr. told me to.  Got my vaccine the first day I was eligible.   Minimizing this to a “flu shot” (regardless of the reality of what it actually may be) would be a massive mistake IMO.  Though truth is at this point nothing would matter, opinions and decisions are fully formed already.  
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Yes and all the younger people I know well and was referring got the COVID vaccine as soon as they were able to get it, some even cheated the system a bit to get it early. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
We had that with the in-laws this past week. Papa was diagnosed with Pneumonia so i really don't know how he is out of the hospital at this point, they must have pumped him with the good stuff, I still expect him to roll back to showing signs of illness before he is out of the woods on this. 70 and unvaccinated to boot. I posted about it in the other CV-19 thread relating to our family illness from it and how it impacted my son terribly as the care giver for 3 folks all pushing 70 refusing to take the vaccine, its been hell on him especially since at 22 he IS VACCINATED and has to for work purposes IMHO, same @FairWarning 

Match Game: "How healthy is he?"

Trader Jake is so healthy that when he went in for his physical, the doctor jumped up on the table instead. 

And people know the basics about many things including investing/saving money which is definitely in their day to day field of vision and yet most still stink at it. 

I also think some heavyweights with cache in the Conservative Circles should step out there and join Bill Maher in taking one for the team. Livestream the vaccination for all to see, get this issue past a tug of war over political ideology. 

And I haven't even brought up how in the black community that vaccination rates are much lower than we are even discussing in here, that's got to be a major concern for folks but you hear very little about it in the media right now. 
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Really a good point about some of these top R’s.  I cannot believe every powerful R is for this nonsense.  The same applies for Kabul - we need Team Unity to move forward as a country. 

 
jobarules said:
FairWarning said:
I work with the public, and also a caregiver.  I will get it if I am supposed to 
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Im talking about all the recommended non-COVID related boosters.
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I was at a physical in the last decade, and looking over my charts they said I needed a booster of something or other. I got it. why on earth wouldn't I? I'm not sure what you're suggesting- that people now somehow don't want recommended medicine... even beyond COVID vaccines? 

 
trader jake said:
Sadly, I'm not sure facts are especially motivating though.  Seeing negative impacts first hand may be the sole motivating factor for some that are dug in on the issue. 
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there are two people in my circle that are not motivated by facts/reason/logic or even seeing firsthand evidence that their thoughts/opinions are wrong.

to them the idea that someone, anyone, is trying to tell them what to do about anything at all is sufficient reason to dig in their heels and fight.

it can be as small as a passing comment made to a third party and that's enough for them to feel bullied. like someone is forcing them to do/think something they don't want. and bizarrely enough it can be a comment that agrees with them.... basically they view everything as a personal attack and that's just not something they can tolerate.

everything is "personal". everything is perceived as a personal attack. even a passing glance from a total stranger on the street is perceived as condemning some article of clothing they're wearing, their hairdo, their gait... anything. 

it has to be fatiguing but for these kinds of people (and i'm finding there are a lot more than i ever imagined possible) no amount of pressure will make them agree to something they don't already believe. and their beliefs aren't based on topically related experience, or research or any empathy. it's purely on self preservation. when the entirety of the known universe is out to hurt/trick/demean you then you dig in on everything and fight.

 
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El Floppo said:
I was at a physical in the last decade, and looking over my charts they said I needed a booster of something or other. I got it. why on earth wouldn't I? I'm not sure what you're suggesting- that people now somehow don't want recommended medicine... even beyond COVID vaccines? 
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Who said I was suggesting anything? Im asking if people get their recommended boosters.

 
dkp993 said:
I’ve only gotten the flu shot once in my life, when my wife was pregnant and our Dr. told me to.  Got my vaccine the first day I was eligible.   Minimizing this to a “flu shot” (regardless of the reality of what it actually may be) would be a massive mistake IMO.  Though truth is at this point nothing would matter, opinions and decisions are fully formed already.  
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Sacrificing for your wife and child is a very worthy and noble reason to go with the flow or "on the orders of the doctor"

You and several others are very good at allowing some of us to get a few things off our chests without trying to throw more gasoline on things. Sincerely think you, @Nathan R. Jessep @Doug B almost too many to name them all individual but I always approach my posts back and forth with a certain added level of respect because i genuinely want to know what these folks are thinking and going thru because I can relate to them even if we have some differing ways to get to the end goal.

Tip of the cap from moP and you make me want to engage more and open up. It's a good thing.  

 
El Floppo said:
I was at a physical in the last decade, and looking over my charts they said I needed a booster of something or other. I got it. why on earth wouldn't I? I'm not sure what you're suggesting- that people now somehow don't want recommended medicine... even beyond COVID vaccines? 
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Supposed to wasn’t the best phrase.  If the moderna vaxxer s need a booster, I’ll get it.

 
first of all, the flu shot is a vaccine.  

you can't change the name of the covid vaccine.  that cat is out of the bag.  would more people have gotten the covid vaccine, if they had called it a flu shot?   :lmao:   :lmao:   absolutely not.  that is a terrible idea. most people don't get a flu shot.  now you want to tell people, "hey, there's a bonus flu shot this year".  you will only get a percentage of the those that already get a flu shot to take it, not more.

people are stupid.  i am very rarely sick.  the flu shot contains a few variants, that scientists think might be prevalent that year.  there many variants.  i played the odds.  my wife says i'm an idiot.  i'm 52.  i have gotten 2 flu shots in my life.  mainly to lessen how many times, my wife, calls me an idiot.  as we age, some of us get smarter.  i will getting a flu shot from now on.  me smart.

 
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