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Weather in Green Bay Sunday.. (1 Viewer)

playing in it once in a while.. or being from a cold weather state.... none of that matters.  trust me.
I disagree completely. Bitterly cold weather is something that can not be acclimated to quickly. If one lives in cold weather, the human body gets used to its effects and gains tolerance. Not being acclimated, the human body does what it needs to do to try to warm up - it shivers. Shivering is the involuntary movement of muscles in the body's effort to gain heat. Shivering takes energy constantly, sapping the stores that the body has available as well as reducing the reaction time of the muscles to fire when called upon to do so in voluntary actions.Then there are the physiological effects. The extremities get cold first in an effort by the body to keep the main mass of the body warm. As the extremities get cold they lose their tolerance to pain, and hits to the extremities start hurting more. Plus the brain subliminally tells the body that it needs to start getting warm & you start to get mental fatigue factoring in. Cold makes cowards of even the strongest men, and those not acclimated to harsh cold quickly find themselves at a significant physical & mental disadvantage.
you're agreeing with me Pony Boy.i was reacting to Johnny Ice who said:"You act is if every player on Jacksonville's roster has never played a game outside the state of Florida. Nice story though."took his comment to mean that Jax players won't be shaken by the cold because they occassionally play a game in cold weather... or maybe they grew up in a cold-weather state... or played in college at a cold weather school.(gotta work on polishing my internet-speak)what i'm saying to Johnny Ice is.. you can't tell me that these guys won't be effected just because they happen to see cold weather once in a while.nothing, other than living in it, prepares the body for the chill of below zero temps with a nice breeze.
 
Question: What stopped Napoleon? What stopped Hitler's armies from conquering Russia or winning the battle of the Bulge? Why did the Roman Empire's northern most range stop short of the Nordic countries?
Re Napoleon:The lack of a French Navy removed any credible threat of an invasion of Britain and was the weak point of his Contintental system. Too, he believed that once he controlled Moscow, the perceived heart of the country, the rest of it would fall. Logistically, the Czar's scorched earth policy was every bit as damaging to the stretched-out supply lines as the weather was.Re Hitler:Interesting that you included him as well as Napoleon, as both thought that only military means to fell a country. If, afte the fall of Leningrad, Hitler had come in as a perceived "liberator" rather than conqueror, and avoided the rise guerilla partisan movement that crippled German supply lines and harrassed positions constantly, it might not have given Stalin the time necessary to plan an counter-offensive. Hitler's placement of Alfred Rosenberg as comissioner of the occupied region, and Rosenburg's subsequent initiatives of reprisals, town burnings, mass shootings, lootings, and deportation to concentration camps, ruined a prime opportunity to win over the Russian populace's support at a time when their hearts and minds could have been swayed from a brutal communist regime.Re Roman Empire:The reason the Empire's northernmost range stops short of Nordic countries like Scandinavia, Sweden, etc. was because to get north, they'd have to face the extraordinarily difficult feat of having to conquer their way through Germania Magna, filled as it was with cooperating war-like tribes. Rome never got past the Rhenus and Danuvius rivers, and were more concerned about digging in fortifications and holding their own ground against constantly marauding war-like tribes than they were with attempting to push onward to the north.The point is this: there are many factors that will contribute to success or defeat, rather than simply the weather.One should, of course, take the forecast into account, but my guess is that the horrid state of the GB defensive secondary will be the deciding factor here, and not the snow or wind.
 
Ditkaless Wonders, can you read it again in your best John Facenda voice? :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Good stuff. Makes me pine for the old days at the Met (Minneapolis). The Vikes haven't been the same since.
The Met was special. Out in the artic wastelands of Bloomington it was prowled by greats, Grant, Foreman, Brown, Tarkenton, Page, Eller, true norsemen who might actually eat the hearts of their hapless victims before screaming throngs at that icey gladitorial pit.Too sad the Vikes abandoned that the for the Wine sipping, quiche eating pansies who flounce their way through that plastic mess, the Humperdome.
 
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I think the wind is the only major issue, the cold seems to be minor with the latest equipment these NFL teams have. If the snow showers are heavy then possibly visibility.

From the Jags site:

http://www.jaguars.com/story/4106.asp

Here are some high-tech advantages Favre and Leftwich will enjoy that Starr and Meredith didn't have:

• Helmet heaters—A Green Bay company developed a heated two foot by two foot wooden box in which Favre's and Leftwich's helmets will rest when each quarterback is on the sideline. That means Favre and Leftwich will be able to put on stocking hats to keep their heads warm, without having their helmets go cold on the bench.

• Toe warmers—A charcoal-activated powder is encapsulated on an adhesive strip and affixed to the sole of players' shoes; from the ball of the foot to the tips of the toes. Step down and feel a rush of warmth.

• Hand warmers—Same principle applied to the pockets of muffs worn around the waist. If this technology had been available for the “Ice Bowl,” Bob Hayes wouldn't have had to stick his hands in his pants.

• Thermal tops, bottoms and gloves—High-tech fabric that keeps players warm and keeps moisture away from their bodies makes icy sweat a thing of the past.

• Sheepskin helmet liners—Forget about the sting of frozen vinyl. The players' helmets will be lined with sheepskin; head and ears will be as soft and warm as a baby's bottom.

Hampton has been preparing for this trip to the “Frozen Tundra” ever since it appeared on the Jaguars' schedule last April. “When I knew we were going to be playing in Green Bay in late December, that's when I placed the order for the (helmet) box,” Hampton said.

The Jaguars normally pack about 13,000 pounds of equipment for road trips. This weekend, they'll pack another couple of thousand pounds.

Preparing for the trip to Green Bay is so labor-intensive that Hampton and his equipment guys will require separate arrangements from the team. Upon landing in Green Bay, Hampton and his guys will take the equipment directly to Lambeau Field, while the Jaguars team will go to its hotel in Appleton, Wisc., which is about an hour away from Green Bay. Hampton and his boys will stay in a small lodge in Green Bay Saturday night so they might get an early start on game-day preparations.

Upon arrival at Lambeau Field on Sunday, Hampton will immediately check field conditions. Keeping the players warm is important, but keeping them on their feet will be the top priority, and that will require proper cleat length.

Hampton will have four cleat lengths available to the players: half-inch, five-eighths, three-quarters and one inch. He'll make cleat-length decisions based on the condition of Lambeau Field and players' position needs, and he'll change cleats immediately for any player who isn't satisfied by his traction........

 
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Question:  What stopped Napoleon?  What stopped Hitler's armies from conquering Russia or winning the battle of the Bulge?  Why did the Roman Empire's northern most range stop short of the Nordic countries?
Re Napoleon:The lack of a French Navy removed any credible threat of an invasion of Britain and was the weak point of his Contintental system. Too, he believed that once he controlled Moscow, the perceived heart of the country, the rest of it would fall. Logistically, the Czar's scorched earth policy was every bit as damaging to the stretched-out supply lines as the weather was.Re Hitler:Interesting that you included him as well as Napoleon, as both thought that only military means to fell a country. If, afte the fall of Leningrad, Hitler had come in as a perceived "liberator" rather than conqueror, and avoided the rise guerilla partisan movement that crippled German supply lines and harrassed positions constantly, it might not have given Stalin the time necessary to plan an counter-offensive. Hitler's placement of Alfred Rosenberg as comissioner of the occupied region, and Rosenburg's subsequent initiatives of reprisals, town burnings, mass shootings, lootings, and deportation to concentration camps, ruined a prime opportunity to win over the Russian populace's support at a time when their hearts and minds could have been swayed from a brutal communist regime.Re Roman Empire:The reason the Empire's northernmost range stops short of Nordic countries like Scandinavia, Sweden, etc. was because to get north, they'd have to face the extraordinarily difficult feat of having to conquer their way through Germania Magna, filled as it was with cooperating war-like tribes. Rome never got past the Rhenus and Danuvius rivers, and were more concerned about digging in fortifications and holding their own ground against constantly marauding war-like tribes than they were with attempting to push onward to the north.The point is this: there are many factors that will contribute to success or defeat, rather than simply the weather.One should, of course, take the forecast into account, but my guess is that the horrid state of the GB defensive secondary will be the deciding factor here, and not the snow or wind.
GB Stomping Tom. Always nice to meet an educated man.GB maurading warlike germans. Wisconsin is full of them. Lambeau field will be mobbed by their descendents.
 
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Too sad the Vikes abandoned that the for the Wine sipping, quiche eating pansies who flounce their way through that plastic mess, the Humperdome.
lmao!<|----- :horns:-----<<< :cheese:
 
Question: What stopped Napoleon? What stopped Hitler's armies from conquering Russia or winning the battle of the Bulge? Why did the Roman Empire's northern most range stop short of the Nordic countries?
Re Napoleon:The lack of a French Navy removed any credible threat of an invasion of Britain and was the weak point of his Contintental system. Too, he believed that once he controlled Moscow, the perceived heart of the country, the rest of it would fall. Logistically, the Czar's scorched earth policy was every bit as damaging to the stretched-out supply lines as the weather was.Re Hitler:Interesting that you included him as well as Napoleon, as both thought that only military means to fell a country. If, afte the fall of Leningrad, Hitler had come in as a perceived "liberator" rather than conqueror, and avoided the rise guerilla partisan movement that crippled German supply lines and harrassed positions constantly, it might not have given Stalin the time necessary to plan an counter-offensive. Hitler's placement of Alfred Rosenberg as comissioner of the occupied region, and Rosenburg's subsequent initiatives of reprisals, town burnings, mass shootings, lootings, and deportation to concentration camps, ruined a prime opportunity to win over the Russian populace's support at a time when their hearts and minds could have been swayed from a brutal communist regime.Re Roman Empire:The reason the Empire's northernmost range stops short of Nordic countries like Scandinavia, Sweden, etc. was because to get north, they'd have to face the extraordinarily difficult feat of having to conquer their way through Germania Magna, filled as it was with cooperating war-like tribes. Rome never got past the Rhenus and Danuvius rivers, and were more concerned about digging in fortifications and holding their own ground against constantly marauding war-like tribes than they were with attempting to push onward to the north.The point is this: there are many factors that will contribute to success or defeat, rather than simply the weather.One should, of course, take the forecast into account, but my guess is that the horrid state of the GB defensive secondary will be the deciding factor here, and not the snow or wind.
:thumbup: Good stuff, STCBased on this analysis I'm starting Jimmy Smith with confidence.
 
Let's also not forget the paralyzing effect it can have on a player the first time they look up into the stands and witness an alabaster-skinned, 400 lb. hairy tub of goo drunk on schnaaps and brandy and dressed only in a cheese bikini shouting that he wants to make that player his love slave. The horror of that moment can drain the will of the strongest man, and it is about to be visited upon the collective psyche` of the Jags.

 
Let's also not forget the paralyzing effect it can have on a player the first time they look up into the stands and witness an alabaster-skinned, 400 lb. hairy tub of goo drunk on schnaaps and brandy and dressed only in a cheese bikini shouting that he wants to make that player his love slave. The horror of that moment can drain the will of the strongest man, and it is about to be visited upon the collective psyche` of the Jags.
:rant: I thought we agreed that you wouldn't divulge my secret identity.
 
Let's also not forget the paralyzing effect it can have on a player the first time they look up into the stands and witness an alabaster-skinned, 400 lb. hairy tub of goo drunk on schnaaps and brandy and dressed only in a cheese bikini shouting that he wants to make that player his love slave. The horror of that moment can drain the will of the strongest man, and it is about to be visited upon the collective psyche` of the Jags.
:rant: I thought we agreed that you wouldn't divulge my secret identity.
:rotflmao:
 
I'm warning the jags players now, nothing they have ever seen can prepare them for the horror of seeing frost-bitten he-####### on a man in a cheese bikini and with a deer head or wolf head for a hat. Notice I didn't say a hat made to look like a deer or wolf head, but the actual stinking bloody carcass of one.

 
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local sports radio is reporting that Jimmy Smith is "not likely to go on Sunday".no link. no verification. just local sports radio talking.
WTF!?? :confused: I see nothing anywhere other then that he practiced Thursday and should play! :angry: Anyone hearing anything, pleeease post linky, thnx.
 
local sports radio is reporting that Jimmy Smith is "not likely to go on Sunday".no link. no verification. just local sports radio talking.
WTF!?? :confused: I see nothing anywhere other then that he practiced Thursday and should play! :angry: Anyone hearing anything, pleeease post linky, thnx.
Don't sweat it. Just some dopey sports talk guy. If there's anything to this (which I'd doubt) it'll be out there tomorrow in plenty of time to adjust your roster.
 
that was me who posted it.Chris Havel is a Packer beat-writer who also co-hosts a talk show in the morning.he's a moron. but he said it and expounded on it by saying "it'd be a real disappointment if Jimmy Smith can't go because he's a great player..... you always want the opponent to field their best team.... blah blah blah"still haven't found anything to back Havel's claim (no surprise) but there it is. he said it and i relayed it.

 
that was me who posted it.Chris Havel is a Packer beat-writer who also co-hosts a talk show in the morning.he's a moron. but he said it and expounded on it by saying "it'd be a real disappointment if Jimmy Smith can't go because he's a great player..... you always want the opponent to field their best team.... blah blah blah"still haven't found anything to back Havel's claim (no surprise) but there it is. he said it and i relayed it.
:thumbup: Even thought I think he's probably full of it, your post is much appreciated.
 
playing in it once in a while.. or being from a cold weather state.... none of that matters.  trust me.
I disagree completely. Bitterly cold weather is something that can not be acclimated to quickly. If one lives in cold weather, the human body gets used to its effects and gains tolerance. Not being acclimated, the human body does what it needs to do to try to warm up - it shivers. Shivering is the involuntary movement of muscles in the body's effort to gain heat. Shivering takes energy constantly, sapping the stores that the body has available as well as reducing the reaction time of the muscles to fire when called upon to do so in voluntary actions.Then there are the physiological effects. The extremities get cold first in an effort by the body to keep the main mass of the body warm. As the extremities get cold they lose their tolerance to pain, and hits to the extremities start hurting more. Plus the brain subliminally tells the body that it needs to start getting warm & you start to get mental fatigue factoring in. Cold makes cowards of even the strongest men, and those not acclimated to harsh cold quickly find themselves at a significant physical & mental disadvantage.
you're agreeing with me Pony Boy.i was reacting to Johnny Ice who said:"You act is if every player on Jacksonville's roster has never played a game outside the state of Florida. Nice story though."took his comment to mean that Jax players won't be shaken by the cold because they occassionally play a game in cold weather... or maybe they grew up in a cold-weather state... or played in college at a cold weather school.(gotta work on polishing my internet-speak)what i'm saying to Johnny Ice is.. you can't tell me that these guys won't be effected just because they happen to see cold weather once in a while.nothing, other than living in it, prepares the body for the chill of below zero temps with a nice breeze.
My point is that these guys have experienced this before and they are professionals. Big John Henderson gets ##### slapped before every game to get hype for goodness sake. Some NFL players drink gallons of coffee before a game. Is that normal. Pro football players are a different breed, why do you see so many players wearing no sleeves in the cold? Because they are ####in nuts. This kind of stuff gets them going. If it's not as cold as the '81 Charger vs. Bengals AFC Championship game then the cold will not be as much of a factor as the 4 pages of this thread expect it to be. The wind is the problem because it effects the passing game. Yeah it will be cold but these guys are not going to run back to the tunnel and schedule a flight out of there.
 
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that was me who posted it.Chris Havel is a Packer beat-writer who also co-hosts a talk show in the morning.he's a moron. but he said it and expounded on it by saying "it'd be a real disappointment if Jimmy Smith can't go because he's a great player..... you always want the opponent to field their best team.... blah blah blah"still haven't found anything to back Havel's claim (no surprise) but there it is. he said it and i relayed it.
:thumbup: Even thought I think he's probably full of it, your post is much appreciated.
Thanks Clubber... ;)
 
Yeah it will be cold but these guys are not going to run back to the tunnel and schedule a flight out of there.
By 5:15 PM EST they'll wish that they had.& LOL @ drinking gallons of coffee before a game. Glad I don't have that laundry stint.
 
Question: What stopped Napoleon? What stopped Hitler's armies from conquering Russia or winning the battle of the Bulge? Why did the Roman Empire's northern most range stop short of the Nordic countries?
Are you saying that every player on the Packers is part of Russia's Red Army?
 
Are you saying that every player on the Packers is part of Russia's Red Army?
Nitchske & the rest of the 60s Packers would have kicked the Red Army's ####. It would have been over by halftime.
 
My point is that these guys have experienced this before and they are professionals. Big John Henderson gets ##### slapped before every game to get hype for goodness sake. Some NFL players drink gallons of coffee before a game. Is that normal. Pro football players are a different breed, why do you see so many players wearing no sleeves in the cold? Because they are ####in nuts. This kind of stuff gets them going. If it's not as cold as the '81 Charger vs. Bengals AFC Championship game then the cold will not be as much of a factor as the 4 pages of this thread expect it to be. The wind is the problem because it effects the passing game. Yeah it will be cold but these guys are not going to run back to the tunnel and schedule a flight out of there.
weather update:expecting a high of 12 on Sunday.with wind chills expected to drop to -15 by the end of the game.
 
Chris Havel is a Packer beat-writer who also co-hosts a talk show in the morning.he's a moron.
That's actually an insult to just about every moron on the face of the earth.
i want to fight this guy.seriously.he NEVER EVER EVER has anything positive to say. never.nobody is any good. the Packers never play a good game. he's been crabbing about MIKE MCKENZIE all season long. He hasn't let go of his BJ Sander fetish. He won't shut up about Cletidus Hunt.he gets an unhealthy obsession with a player and then won't let it go no matter how well the guy plays.
 
My point is that these guys have experienced this before and they are professionals. Big John Henderson gets ##### slapped before every game to get hype for goodness sake. Some NFL players drink gallons of coffee before a game. Is that normal. Pro football players are a different breed, why do you see so many players wearing no sleeves in the cold? Because they are ####in nuts. This kind of stuff gets them going. If it's not as cold as the '81 Charger vs. Bengals AFC Championship game then the cold will not be as much of a factor as the 4 pages of this thread expect it to be. The wind is the problem because it effects the passing game. Yeah it will be cold but these guys are not going to run back to the tunnel and schedule a flight out of there.
weather update:expecting a high of 12 on Sunday.with wind chills expected to drop to -15 by the end of the game.
I know how cold it will be, that's what started the thread. We just differ on it's effect on the players.
 
Chris Havel is a Packer beat-writer who also co-hosts a talk show in the morning.he's a moron. 
That's actually an insult to just about every moron on the face of the earth.
i want to fight this guy.seriously.he NEVER EVER EVER has anything positive to say. never.nobody is any good. the Packers never play a good game. he's been crabbing about MIKE MCKENZIE all season long. He hasn't let go of his BJ Sander fetish. He won't shut up about Cletidus Hunt.he gets an unhealthy obsession with a player and then won't let it go no matter how well the guy plays.
Well the B.J. Sander thing was an incredible example of incompetence on Sherman's part. I might not let go of that one anytime soon either. :DThat said, don't waste your energy on Havel. He's pretty much a hack writer and has never been much of a reporter. He latched onto Favre early in Favre's career and that paved the way for him to co-write Favre's book. But the guy really is a tool.
 
Well the B.J. Sander thing was an incredible example of incompetence on Sherman's part. I might not let go of that one anytime soon either. :DThat said, don't waste your energy on Havel. He's pretty much a hack writer and has never been much of a reporter. He latched onto Favre early in Favre's career and that paved the way for him to co-write Favre's book. But the guy really is a tool.
certainly the Sander thing was a serious blunder.but to beat it to death over and over and over and over again... it's just ridiculous. we GET IT. we got it. we don't want to re-live it every time you run out of ideas.whewhe's less than a hack writer. it's just a shame the Press-Gazette is such a bad paper that guys like him are comfortably ensconced in their jobs.
 
Chris Havel = :11: We all know he rides it constantly and never seems to get off it. Talking about this guy is useless because he is the Sean Salsbury of Green Bay. He wont stop even if paid to do so. His diatribes are useless and say nothing. His little column in the paper is small for a reason. No reporting and plain spewing. I wish this guy would go away... far away... like Minnesota or something.

 
Chris Havel = :11: We all know he rides it constantly and never seems to get off it. Talking about this guy is useless because he is the Sean Salsbury of Green Bay. He wont stop even if paid to do so. His diatribes are useless and say nothing. His little column in the paper is small for a reason. No reporting and plain spewing. I wish this guy would go away... far away... like Minnesota or something.
back to Idaho, maybe??
 
This is painful:I want to start Jimmy Smith, but how can I start him ahead of Randy Moss, Muhsin Muhammed and Brandon Stokely?It would be easier if Stokely's injury status became more clear / took a turn for the worst.If I start Jimmy and Brandon goes off for 3 TDs I'll jump out a window![/playoff stress]

 
[weather update:expecting a high of 12 on Sunday.with wind chills expected to drop to -15 by the end of the game.
Given this, I am leaning towards benching Jimmy Smith for either Joey Galloway or Deion Branch (may have to start both of these guys if Mason is out).
 
like to make an addendum to the weather update:per the news last nite the wind chill will be "-20 to -25 at tailagate time.... warming up to -15 to -20 by the end of the game"

 
I've been watching Packer football since the '60's. Every year some southern team gets to come and enjoy the December ambiance Green Bay has to offer. Every year that team, its coaches, fans, and players, have it all figured out. They explain that their Q.B played for a northern college (as if Ann Arbor in mid november or some MAC school in late October is comparable to Green Bay in December) so they will be just fine. They say they play at least one such game every year so all their players are used to it. They explain they have the right clothing and equipment, have practiced in refrigerated conditions, etc. They have it figured out, after all their assistant defensive line coach played in Green Bay.News flash, they don't have it figured. Green Bay's record, even in the lean years, is unequaled when home in December. The cold makes cowards of strong-willed men. It saps strength, it crushes will, it destroys the best laid plans. It is something that can only be contended with by those who live it daily. There are reasons that only the Inuit go out onto the iceflows, that only Sherpas are truely qualified to lead teams up Everest, and that the Packers prevail on the frozen tundra soaked in the icey blood of Starr, Hornung, Nitschke, Hudson, "Blood" McNally, Wood, Davis, 'Mad Dog" Douglas, Reggie White, and Favre. The cold wakes the ghosts, it allows Lombardi's voice to echo still in the wind, it is the Packer's element and friend. It sounds like John Facenda and it looks like Jerry Kramer pawing the frost before snowplowing poor dumb Jethro Pugh into depression. The cold has crushed the spirits of Halas, Butkis, Sayers, and Ditka. It has disheartened Unitas, Landry, even Bud Grant. It has turned back The Doomsday Defense, the Fearsome Foursome, and the Purple People Eaters. It leaves survivors, not victors. It leaves victims more than losers. More than anything, it mocks the efforts of those who assume they have it figured out.One other thing it does. It wakens desire and steels the hearts of those who embrace it by living there. The cold takes sides. It has favorite teams in Buffalo, Cleveland, Philadelphia, and elsewhere, but its favorite team, the one it always helps, is the Green Bay Packers.Welcome Jacksonville. Is it cold enough for ya?
Now playing a few selections from John Facenda in honor of this post :cheese:
 
The Jaguars are about to step into a different reality than they have ever known.A half hour before their plane approaches the smallest airport any of them have ever seen they will look out their window at the vast inland sea that is Lake Michigan. It will be belching steam as the cold air rides over the still riled and unfrozen water. If they could look closely enough they would see that it actually snows up and out of the lake as the steam condenses and freezes.They will be momentarily exposed to the air as they enter their ground transportation. They will tell themselves that the 30 seconds they just spent in the cold wasn't so bad, but some of the southern guys on the team will already be wondering about their ability to cope. They will drive over roads named for Lombardi and Holmgren. They will see roadsigns for places that can't really exist, like Ashwaubenon, Waupaca, and Kewaunee. While doing so they will notice, playing football happily outside, the great grandsons of lumberjacks, miners, and fishermen who routinely troll the waters that took the Edmin Fitzgerald to it's grave. They will be wearing jerseys with legendary names on them like Starr, Nitschke, Adderly, Caffee, Davis, Wood, Jordan, Gregg. About then it will occur to them they are out of their element and they will wonder if, living and working among these people, the Packer Players have absorbed some of the hearty tendancies of these people.They will roll past the Fox River, obscured by an ice fog, to a hotel far less ritzy than they are accustomed to. They may choose to go out to a bar or restaurant. If they do they will be stepping into establishments owned and operated by former superbowl and world champions, or they will see memorabilia from those teams.When they return to their hotel their coaches will try to discourage them from turning on the T.V.s because if they do they will hear windchill figures that will cause them to think and to doubt, and they might even see clips from the Ice Bowl.The morning of the game they will pass through the cold on the way to their team bus. The linings of their noses will feeze, their breath will form icicles on their beards, and they will travel to a green monster rising from a sea of tailgating maniacs. They will enter Lambeau field for the first time and as they do they will start to hear echos from the past. They will try to ignore the echos, but too many times, as children, they heard John Facenda narrate the recap of the Ice Bowl. against their very will they will start to be drawn into the dream and nightmare of a game on the "Frozen Tundra".Time will come for pregame warmups. The team will split on whether tis better to make a foolish show of bravado and to go out to warm up in short sleeves, or whether they should put on every stich of clothing they own. Either way the team is split.They will go out to warm up, and at first the temperature won't seem so bad. They will actually be heartened, until they try to punt the ball which will only go half as far as they anticipate, or they try to catch a pass that slides through their hands as if the ball has been greased. They will be getting their first hint of problems to come and they will return to the locker room wondering if they have the right gloves, clothes, and cleats. Some of the players will look to the Packer players for guidelines, but they will wonder if the Packer players are playing head games with them.When they come back out for player introductions they will be shocked to notice that in the hour they have been inside the temperature has dipped ten degrees with the sun sliding low. They will wonder if it will get colder. It will.As they game starts they will find that half of them have the wrong shoes, cleats, and gloves. They will learn this as drives stall and kicks travel 19 yards. Why will the drives stall, because the Packers will have eight and nine guys in the box knowing Jacksonville will be unable to pass.The Packers offense won't be great, but the greatest cold weather Q.B., playing in conditions he got used to last week will put some points on the board and the Packers will go into halftime with a lead (even if they don't Jacksonville will remember last week's comeback and the legend of favre's 4th qtr. heroics).Coming out for the second half the Jags will be smacked in the face. Could it really be that with the sun now down it just got much colder? The Packer offense will be pedestrian by most standards, but extraordinarily efficient under the circumstances. The Jags will feel their physical strength and their wills collapsing. They will have the built in excuse of the weather, and, like those before them they will take it.
Any more flowery prose?
 
The Jaguars are about to step into a different reality than they have ever known.A half hour before their plane approaches the smallest airport any of them have ever seen they will look out their window at the vast inland sea that is Lake Michigan. It will be belching steam as the cold air rides over the still riled and unfrozen water. If they could look closely enough they would see that it actually snows up and out of the lake as the steam condenses and freezes.They will be momentarily exposed to the air as they enter their ground transportation. They will tell themselves that the 30 seconds they just spent in the cold wasn't so bad, but some of the southern guys on the team will already be wondering about their ability to cope. They will drive over roads named for Lombardi and Holmgren. They will see roadsigns for places that can't really exist, like Ashwaubenon, Waupaca, and Kewaunee. While doing so they will notice, playing football happily outside, the great grandsons of lumberjacks, miners, and fishermen who routinely troll the waters that took the Edmin Fitzgerald to it's grave. They will be wearing jerseys with legendary names on them like Starr, Nitschke, Adderly, Caffee, Davis, Wood, Jordan, Gregg. About then it will occur to them they are out of their element and they will wonder if, living and working among these people, the Packer Players have absorbed some of the hearty tendancies of these people.They will roll past the Fox River, obscured by an ice fog, to a hotel far less ritzy than they are accustomed to. They may choose to go out to a bar or restaurant. If they do they will be stepping into establishments owned and operated by former superbowl and world champions, or they will see memorabilia from those teams.When they return to their hotel their coaches will try to discourage them from turning on the T.V.s because if they do they will hear windchill figures that will cause them to think and to doubt, and they might even see clips from the Ice Bowl.The morning of the game they will pass through the cold on the way to their team bus. The linings of their noses will feeze, their breath will form icicles on their beards, and they will travel to a green monster rising from a sea of tailgating maniacs. They will enter Lambeau field for the first time and as they do they will start to hear echos from the past. They will try to ignore the echos, but too many times, as children, they heard John Facenda narrate the recap of the Ice Bowl. against their very will they will start to be drawn into the dream and nightmare of a game on the "Frozen Tundra".Time will come for pregame warmups. The team will split on whether tis better to make a foolish show of bravado and to go out to warm up in short sleeves, or whether they should put on every stich of clothing they own. Either way the team is split.They will go out to warm up, and at first the temperature won't seem so bad. They will actually be heartened, until they try to punt the ball which will only go half as far as they anticipate, or they try to catch a pass that slides through their hands as if the ball has been greased. They will be getting their first hint of problems to come and they will return to the locker room wondering if they have the right gloves, clothes, and cleats. Some of the players will look to the Packer players for guidelines, but they will wonder if the Packer players are playing head games with them.When they come back out for player introductions they will be shocked to notice that in the hour they have been inside the temperature has dipped ten degrees with the sun sliding low. They will wonder if it will get colder. It will.As they game starts they will find that half of them have the wrong shoes, cleats, and gloves. They will learn this as drives stall and kicks travel 19 yards. Why will the drives stall, because the Packers will have eight and nine guys in the box knowing Jacksonville will be unable to pass.The Packers offense won't be great, but the greatest cold weather Q.B., playing in conditions he got used to last week will put some points on the board and the Packers will go into halftime with a lead (even if they don't Jacksonville will remember last week's comeback and the legend of favre's 4th qtr. heroics).Coming out for the second half the Jags will be smacked in the face. Could it really be that with the sun now down it just got much colder? The Packer offense will be pedestrian by most standards, but extraordinarily efficient under the circumstances. The Jags will feel their physical strength and their wills collapsing. They will have the built in excuse of the weather, and, like those before them they will take it.
Any more flowery prose?
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This post was a great read. It reminded me of a post by a Denver writer before that playoff game in '96. Yeah Jville won that one too.GO JAGS!!!

 
I've been watching Packer football since the '60's. Every year some southern team gets to come and enjoy the December ambiance Green Bay has to offer. Every year that team, its coaches, fans, and players, have it all figured out. They explain that their Q.B played for a northern college (as if Ann Arbor in mid november or some MAC school in late October is comparable to Green Bay in December) so they will be just fine. They say they play at least one such game every year so all their players are used to it. They explain they have the right clothing and equipment, have practiced in refrigerated conditions, etc. They have it figured out, after all their assistant defensive line coach played in Green Bay.News flash, they don't have it figured. Green Bay's record, even in the lean years, is unequaled when home in December. The cold makes cowards of strong-willed men. It saps strength, it crushes will, it destroys the best laid plans. It is something that can only be contended with by those who live it daily. There are reasons that only the Inuit go out onto the iceflows, that only Sherpas are truely qualified to lead teams up Everest, and that the Packers prevail on the frozen tundra soaked in the icey blood of Starr, Hornung, Nitschke, Hudson, "Blood" McNally, Wood, Davis, 'Mad Dog" Douglas, Reggie White, and Favre. The cold wakes the ghosts, it allows Lombardi's voice to echo still in the wind, it is the Packer's element and friend. It sounds like John Facenda and it looks like Jerry Kramer pawing the frost before snowplowing poor dumb Jethro Pugh into depression. The cold has crushed the spirits of Halas, Butkis, Sayers, and Ditka. It has disheartened Unitas, Landry, even Bud Grant. It has turned back The Doomsday Defense, the Fearsome Foursome, and the Purple People Eaters. It leaves survivors, not victors. It leaves victims more than losers. More than anything, it mocks the efforts of those who assume they have it figured out.One other thing it does. It wakens desire and steels the hearts of those who embrace it by living there. The cold takes sides. It has favorite teams in Buffalo, Cleveland, Philadelphia, and elsewhere, but its favorite team, the one it always helps, is the Green Bay Packers.Welcome Jacksonville. Is it cold enough for ya?
"A team that plays in Florida in the 80s and 70s, you just can't condition your body for the temperatures you are going to feel," Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio said. "But you can condition your mind and I felt we were ready from that standpoint." Said Packers coach Mike Sherman: "They have the talent to play in any conditions."
 
The Jaguars are about to step into a different reality than they have ever known.A half hour before their plane approaches the smallest airport any of them have ever seen they will look out their window at the vast inland sea that is Lake Michigan. It will be belching steam as the cold air rides over the still riled and unfrozen water. If they could look closely enough they would see that it actually snows up and out of the lake as the steam condenses and freezes.They will be momentarily exposed to the air as they enter their ground transportation. They will tell themselves that the 30 seconds they just spent in the cold wasn't so bad, but some of the southern guys on the team will already be wondering about their ability to cope. They will drive over roads named for Lombardi and Holmgren. They will see roadsigns for places that can't really exist, like Ashwaubenon, Waupaca, and Kewaunee. While doing so they will notice, playing football happily outside, the great grandsons of lumberjacks, miners, and fishermen who routinely troll the waters that took the Edmin Fitzgerald to it's grave. They will be wearing jerseys with legendary names on them like Starr, Nitschke, Adderly, Caffee, Davis, Wood, Jordan, Gregg. About then it will occur to them they are out of their element and they will wonder if, living and working among these people, the Packer Players have absorbed some of the hearty tendancies of these people.They will roll past the Fox River, obscured by an ice fog, to a hotel far less ritzy than they are accustomed to. They may choose to go out to a bar or restaurant. If they do they will be stepping into establishments owned and operated by former superbowl and world champions, or they will see memorabilia from those teams.When they return to their hotel their coaches will try to discourage them from turning on the T.V.s because if they do they will hear windchill figures that will cause them to think and to doubt, and they might even see clips from the Ice Bowl.The morning of the game they will pass through the cold on the way to their team bus. The linings of their noses will feeze, their breath will form icicles on their beards, and they will travel to a green monster rising from a sea of tailgating maniacs. They will enter Lambeau field for the first time and as they do they will start to hear echos from the past. They will try to ignore the echos, but too many times, as children, they heard John Facenda narrate the recap of the Ice Bowl. against their very will they will start to be drawn into the dream and nightmare of a game on the "Frozen Tundra".Time will come for pregame warmups. The team will split on whether tis better to make a foolish show of bravado and to go out to warm up in short sleeves, or whether they should put on every stich of clothing they own. Either way the team is split.They will go out to warm up, and at first the temperature won't seem so bad. They will actually be heartened, until they try to punt the ball which will only go half as far as they anticipate, or they try to catch a pass that slides through their hands as if the ball has been greased. They will be getting their first hint of problems to come and they will return to the locker room wondering if they have the right gloves, clothes, and cleats. Some of the players will look to the Packer players for guidelines, but they will wonder if the Packer players are playing head games with them.When they come back out for player introductions they will be shocked to notice that in the hour they have been inside the temperature has dipped ten degrees with the sun sliding low. They will wonder if it will get colder. It will.As they game starts they will find that half of them have the wrong shoes, cleats, and gloves. They will learn this as drives stall and kicks travel 19 yards. Why will the drives stall, because the Packers will have eight and nine guys in the box knowing Jacksonville will be unable to pass.The Packers offense won't be great, but the greatest cold weather Q.B., playing in conditions he got used to last week will put some points on the board and the Packers will go into halftime with a lead (even if they don't Jacksonville will remember last week's comeback and the legend of favre's 4th qtr. heroics).Coming out for the second half the Jags will be smacked in the face. Could it really be that with the sun now down it just got much colder? The Packer offense will be pedestrian by most standards, but extraordinarily efficient under the circumstances. The Jags will feel their physical strength and their wills collapsing. They will have the built in excuse of the weather, and, like those before them they will take it.
Any more flowery prose?
With victories over both Buffalo and Denver, the Jags are looking really good for the playoffs!!
 
that was on effing cold game. wow.anyways. the Packers were outplayed. plain and simple. they made way way way too many mistakes. 5 turnovers and 12 terrible penalties (of which i'd say about 5 shouldn't have been flagged at all) is tough to overcome.they tend to play without emotion and this is one of those games where it cost them.i really enjoy watching Jacksonville.. they're tough.. they fly around.. they play with a ton of heart.

 
I've been watching Packer football since the '60's. Every year some southern team gets to come and enjoy the December ambiance Green Bay has to offer. Every year that team, its coaches, fans, and players, have it all figured out. They explain that their Q.B played for a northern college (as if Ann Arbor in mid november or some MAC school in late October is comparable to Green Bay in December) so they will be just fine. They say they play at least one such game every year so all their players are used to it. They explain they have the right clothing and equipment, have practiced in refrigerated conditions, etc. They have it figured out, after all their assistant defensive line coach played in Green Bay.News flash, they don't have it figured. Green Bay's record, even in the lean years, is unequaled when home in December. The cold makes cowards of strong-willed men. It saps strength, it crushes will, it destroys the best laid plans. It is something that can only be contended with by those who live it daily. There are reasons that only the Inuit go out onto the iceflows, that only Sherpas are truely qualified to lead teams up Everest, and that the Packers prevail on the frozen tundra soaked in the icey blood of Starr, Hornung, Nitschke, Hudson, "Blood" McNally, Wood, Davis, 'Mad Dog" Douglas, Reggie White, and Favre. The cold wakes the ghosts, it allows Lombardi's voice to echo still in the wind, it is the Packer's element and friend. It sounds like John Facenda and it looks like Jerry Kramer pawing the frost before snowplowing poor dumb Jethro Pugh into depression. The cold has crushed the spirits of Halas, Butkis, Sayers, and Ditka. It has disheartened Unitas, Landry, even Bud Grant. It has turned back The Doomsday Defense, the Fearsome Foursome, and the Purple People Eaters. It leaves survivors, not victors. It leaves victims more than losers. More than anything, it mocks the efforts of those who assume they have it figured out.One other thing it does. It wakens desire and steels the hearts of those who embrace it by living there. The cold takes sides. It has favorite teams in Buffalo, Cleveland, Philadelphia, and elsewhere, but its favorite team, the one it always helps, is the Green Bay Packers.Welcome Jacksonville. Is it cold enough for ya?
:rotflmao:
 

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