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Weather in Green Bay Sunday.. (1 Viewer)

Seems to be some conflicting weather reports (what a surprise). Now I'm seeing a high of 38.
I guess the best thing to do is check as late as you can before lineups are due. What site do you find reliable for weather? Weather.com still sais 13 degrees, wind, chance of snow. If high is 13, it is likely colder earlier in the day.
Looking at the matchup info that gets e-mailed to subscribers.
 
is this a roll call of people attending Sunday's game at Lambeau?i'm there!section 123, row 34, seat 15bundle up and wear layers boys!

 
I've been watching Packer football since the '60's. Every year some southern team gets to come and enjoy the December ambiance Green Bay has to offer. Every year that team, its coaches, fans, and players, have it all figured out. They explain that their Q.B played for a northern college (as if Ann Arbor in mid november or some MAC school in late October is comparable to Green Bay in December) so they will be just fine. They say they play at least one such game every year so all their players are used to it. They explain they have the right clothing and equipment, have practiced in refrigerated conditions, etc. They have it figured out, after all their assistant defensive line coach played in Green Bay.News flash, they don't have it figured. Green Bay's record, even in the lean years, is unequaled when home in December. The cold makes cowards of strong-willed men. It saps strength, it crushes will, it destroys the best laid plans. It is something that can only be contended with by those who live it daily. There are reasons that only the Inuit go out onto the iceflows, that only Sherpas are truely qualified to lead teams up Everest, and that the Packers prevail on the frozen tundra soaked in the icey blood of Starr, Hornung, Nitschke, Hudson, "Blood" McNally, Wood, Davis, 'Mad Dog" Douglas, Reggie White, and Favre. The cold wakes the ghosts, it allows Lombardi's voice to echo still in the wind, it is the Packer's element and friend. It sounds like John Facenda and it looks like Jerry Kramer pawing the frost before snowplowing poor dumb Jethro Pugh into depression. The cold has crushed the spirits of Halas, Butkis, Sayers, and Ditka. It has disheartened Unitas, Landry, even Bud Grant. It has turned back The Doomsday Defense, the Fearsome Foursome, and the Purple People Eaters. It leaves survivors, not victors. It leaves victims more than losers. More than anything, it mocks the efforts of those who assume they have it figured out.One other thing it does. It wakens desire and steels the hearts of those who embrace it by living there. The cold takes sides. It has favorite teams in Buffalo, Cleveland, Philadelphia, and elsewhere, but its favorite team, the one it always helps, is the Green Bay Packers.Welcome Jacksonville. Is it cold enough for ya?
Wow. I think I almost shed a tear. :cry: Very well done.
 
How is the weather bad for Farve? He has been playing in this kind of weather for over a decade. The only reason it would be "bad" for him, is if his recievers can't get open. Walker, being a Florida native, might have a problems with that. If i were to choose between Farve/Lefty, i'd go with whats proven...Farve!

 
it looks like Jerry Kramer pawing the frost before snowplowing poor dumb Jethro Pugh into depression
... fade to a dank, smoky bar on the outskirts of DePere 35 years later ...A mountain of a man sits alone at the bar, drinking shot after shot of cheap brandy.Ken Bowman, in a drunken stupor, a shell of the man he once was, looks up to the heavens and cries: "##$!@%&* Kramer!! That was my block goddamit!!!" :rant:
 
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I've been watching Packer football since the '60's. Every year some southern team gets to come and enjoy the December ambiance Green Bay has to offer. Every year that team, its coaches, fans, and players, have it all figured out. They explain that their Q.B played for a northern college (as if Ann Arbor in mid november or some MAC school in late October is comparable to Green Bay in December) so they will be just fine. They say they play at least one such game every year so all their players are used to it. They explain they have the right clothing and equipment, have practiced in refrigerated conditions, etc. They have it figured out, after all their assistant defensive line coach played in Green Bay.News flash, they don't have it figured. Green Bay's record, even in the lean years, is unequaled when home in December. The cold makes cowards of strong-willed men. It saps strength, it crushes will, it destroys the best laid plans. It is something that can only be contended with by those who live it daily. There are reasons that only the Inuit go out onto the iceflows, that only Sherpas are truely qualified to lead teams up Everest, and that the Packers prevail on the frozen tundra soaked in the icey blood of Starr, Hornung, Nitschke, Hudson, "Blood" McNally, Wood, Davis, 'Mad Dog" Douglas, Reggie White, and Favre. The cold wakes the ghosts, it allows Lombardi's voice to echo still in the wind, it is the Packer's element and friend. It sounds like John Facenda and it looks Jerry Kramer pawing the frost before snowplowing poor dumb Jethro Pugh into depression. The cold has crushed the spirits of Halas, Butkis, Sayers, and Ditka. It has disheartened Unitas, Landry, even Bud Grant. It has turned back The Doomsday Defense, the Fearsome Foursome, and the Purple People Eaters. It leaves survivors, not victors. It leaves victims more than losers. More than anything, it mocks the efforts of those who assume they have it figured out.One other thing it does. It wakens desire and steels the hearts of those who embrace it by living there. The cold takes sides. It has favorite teams in Buffalo, Cleveland, Philadelphia, and elsewhere, but its favorite team, the one it always helps, is the Green Bay Packers.Welcome Jacksonville. Is it cold enough for ya?
:thumbup: I really enjoyed reading that.
I guess the Green Bay "ambiance" really affected Michael Vick and the 2002 Atlanta Falcons to the tune of a 27-7 beatdown!!!! :P :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
 
I've been watching Packer football since the '60's. Every year some southern team gets to come and enjoy the December ambiance Green Bay has to offer. Every year that team, its coaches, fans, and players, have it all figured out. They explain that their Q.B played for a northern college (as if Ann Arbor in mid november or some MAC school in late October is comparable to Green Bay in December) so they will be just fine. They say they play at least one such game every year so all their players are used to it. They explain they have the right clothing and equipment, have practiced in refrigerated conditions, etc. They have it figured out, after all their assistant defensive line coach played in Green Bay.News flash, they don't have it figured. Green Bay's record, even in the lean years, is unequaled when home in December. The cold makes cowards of strong-willed men. It saps strength, it crushes will, it destroys the best laid plans. It is something that can only be contended with by those who live it daily. There are reasons that only the Inuit go out onto the iceflows, that only Sherpas are truely qualified to lead teams up Everest, and that the Packers prevail on the frozen tundra soaked in the icey blood of Starr, Hornung, Nitschke, Hudson, "Blood" McNally, Wood, Davis, 'Mad Dog" Douglas, Reggie White, and Favre. The cold wakes the ghosts, it allows Lombardi's voice to echo still in the wind, it is the Packer's element and friend. It sounds like John Facenda and it looks like Jerry Kramer pawing the frost before snowplowing poor dumb Jethro Pugh into depression. The cold has crushed the spirits of Halas, Butkis, Sayers, and Ditka. It has disheartened Unitas, Landry, even Bud Grant. It has turned back The Doomsday Defense, the Fearsome Foursome, and the Purple People Eaters. It leaves survivors, not victors. It leaves victims more than losers. More than anything, it mocks the efforts of those who assume they have it figured out.One other thing it does. It wakens desire and steels the hearts of those who embrace it by living there. The cold takes sides. It has favorite teams in Buffalo, Cleveland, Philadelphia, and elsewhere, but its favorite team, the one it always helps, is the Green Bay Packers.Welcome Jacksonville. Is it cold enough for ya?
Only missing the NFL Films soundtrack. :thumbup:
 
it looks like Jerry Kramer pawing the frost before snowplowing poor dumb Jethro Pugh into depression
... fade to a dank, smoky bar on the outskirts of DePere 35 years later ...A mountain of a man sits alone at the bar, drinking shot after shot of cheap brandy.Ken Bowman, in a drunken stupor, a shell of the man he once was, looks up to the heavens and cries: "##$!@%&* Kramer!! That was my block goddamit!!!" :rant:
:thumbup: Classic, got a good laugh out of this one, but then again, anyone who works in anything about "drunken" into their post is all right by me!
 
I'll be sitting in Row 1: Couch, Section: Living Room, Seat: Warm and Loving IT!! Cheap Beer and my own toilet too.

 
yup...8 degrees..I saw the same thing...I think I might sit Jimmy Smith as I have to believe the Jags are gonna be absolutely shellshocked when they hit Lambeau. Unless you have experienced 8 degrees I don't think you can truly understand it. Winds are still projected between 15 to 25 mph...if it is 8 degrees with a 25 mph wind the wind chill will be a -13.
This game is going to be a blast going too :thumbup: :thumbup:
I've been thinking all week about getting some tickets and going. There's quite a few on Ebay that aren't too expensive.This is what Green Bay football is all about! :thumbup:
Just go around noon and buy tickets at the field from people selling them. You could easily get a couple or more and not pay shipping or anything like that. GDB working on Sundays but that is what I would do every Sunday if I could.
 
I've been watching Packer football since the '60's.  Every year some southern team gets to come and enjoy the December ambiance Green Bay has to offer.  Every year that team, its coaches, fans, and players, have it all figured out.  They explain that their Q.B played for a northern college (as if Ann Arbor in mid november or some MAC school in late October  is comparable to Green Bay in December) so they will be just fine.  They say they play at least one such game every year so all their players are used to it.  They explain they have the right clothing and equipment, have practiced in refrigerated conditions, etc.  They have it figured out, after all their assistant defensive line coach played in Green Bay.News flash, they don't have it figured.  Green Bay's record, even in the lean years, is unequaled when home in December.  The cold makes cowards of strong-willed men.  It saps strength, it crushes will, it destroys the best laid plans.  It is something that can only be contended with by those who live it daily.  There are reasons that only the Inuit go out onto the iceflows, that only Sherpas are truely qualified to lead teams up Everest, and that the Packers prevail on the frozen tundra soaked in the icey blood of Starr, Hornung, Nitschke, Hudson, "Blood" McNally, Wood, Davis, 'Mad Dog" Douglas, Reggie White, and Favre.  The cold wakes the ghosts, it allows Lombardi's voice to echo still in the wind, it is the Packer's element and friend.  It sounds like John Facenda and it looks Jerry Kramer pawing the frost before snowplowing poor dumb Jethro Pugh into depression.  The cold has crushed the spirits of Halas, Butkis, Sayers, and Ditka. It has disheartened Unitas, Landry, even Bud Grant.  It has turned back The Doomsday Defense, the Fearsome Foursome, and the Purple People Eaters.  It leaves survivors, not victors.  It leaves victims more than losers.  More than anything, it mocks the efforts of those who assume they have it figured out.One other thing it does.  It wakens desire and steels the hearts of those who embrace it by living there.  The cold takes sides.  It has favorite teams in Buffalo, Cleveland, Philadelphia, and elsewhere, but its favorite team, the one it always helps, is the Green Bay Packers.Welcome Jacksonville.  Is it cold enough for ya?
:thumbup: I really enjoyed reading that.
I guess the Green Bay "ambiance" really affected Michael Vick and the 2002 Atlanta Falcons to the tune of a 27-7 beatdown!!!! :P :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:rotflmao:
 
As a transplanted Yankee living down here, there is no doubt that in my mind that it is an advantage.However, as an Eagles fan who had to endure the NFC Championship game from two seasons ago, the cold-weather team had better not rest on their laurels and count on the weather to bail them out.Everyone acts like a low-scoring running-oriented game is an automatic Packers advantage. Hello??? The Jags' offense has had trouble breaking 20 (and only got to 22 last week thanks to a safety). A local sports talk host has joked about the Jags "BlackJack Offense" since they hold on 16. The Jags' defensive problems are primarily in the passing game (lack of pass rush, only one good corner). If the wind is blowing 25-35 MPH, I think that takes away one of Packers' big advantages (Driver and Ferguson being covered by Dewayne Washington and Juran Bolden).Yes, teams will run to the outside on them, but that's a much slower death than getting your nickelback torched all day.The Jaguars by contrast have been calling dink and dunk slants. They don't do downfield nearly as often as Favre and company. Del Rio would love to run Taylor 30 times a game but the interior of the line has been banged up. The key to the game could well be how Naeole, Meester, and Manuwai do against Grady Jackson.

 
I guess the Green Bay "ambiance" really affected Michael Vick and the 2002 Atlanta Falcons to the tune of a 27-7 beatdown!!!! :P :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Actually I'm laughing at the 37 opponents the Packers beat with Favre when the temperature was under 34 degrees. 37-1 isn't bad. :rolleyes: Here are some other numbers from JSOnline.38-1 - The Packers’ record with Brett Favre when it’s 34 degrees or colder18-3 - Coach Mike Sherman’s record in December35 - Players on the 53-man roster who hail from or played college football in warm-weather climates5 - Florida teams that have played in December at Lambeau Field1 - Florida teams that have won in those five games (Miami, 1985)7 - Games the Jacksonville Jaguars have played when it has been 36 degrees or colder2 - Games the Jaguars have won in those conditions (at Buffalo, 1997, and at Pittsburgh, 2000)0 - Times Jaguars have played at Lambeau
 
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GB 20 JAX 10
Favre did not look good against a very average Lions' D last week, and I think both teams will struggle mightily with the conditions.JAX 14

GB 10

I see a defensive score for the Fla Cats.
Actually, Favre looked real good in the second half of the Lions' game, throwing for around 160 yards and a TD (it should've been over 200 yards and 2 TDs were it not for a very suspect holding call on the Green TD and had Franks not let a TD go right through his hands). Based on the second half and based on Favre's outstanding record in the cold, I think it's safe to say what we saw in the first half last week was a fluke. If anyone can handle the elements at Lambeau in December, it's Favre. That's been proven repeatedly.The big question is how will the Jags respond when that cold temperature hits their a**. You can talk all you want about how you'll be ready, but unless you've actually been out there when it gets that cold you don't know how bad it can be. And with a later start, it's going to be damn cold and it's going to get worse when the sun goes down in the second half. I've seen a number of warm-weather teams flat-out wilt in that cold and want no part of it (the Raiders about a decade ago was the most explicit example of a team that just quit in the cold). I'm not saying that's what the Jags will do, but anyone who thinks this isn't going to be a very significant aspect of their game is kidding themselves.

I think the Packers are the superior team and I think Favre will step up and have a strong day. So I'd say ...

Packers 24

Jags 13

 
What's the outlook for kickers when it's that cold?
Longwell has said the tough thing is the ball just feels like he's kicking a rock, so it makes it tougher with FGs from longer distances. But, like Favre, Longwell has excelled in the cold and he's having a strong season so if he's your guy I don't see any reason to back off him merely because of the cold.
 
GB 20 JAX 10
Favre did not look good against a very average Lions' D last week, and I think both teams will struggle mightily with the conditions.JAX 14

GB 10

I see a defensive score for the Fla Cats.
Favre did not look good against the Lions in the first half.the gameplan, based on the wind, was to try and work short passes... coaches thought that'd be smarter than going deep. unfortunately short, soft passes, were being blown way off course.

Favre went in at half and told the coaches "those touch passes are affected too much by the wind.. it's easier for me to put zip on the ball and get it downfield"

1st quarter - 0-3, 0yds

2nd quarter - 3-12, 28yds

3rd quarter - 7-9, 69yds, 1 td

4th quarter - 9-12, 58yds

not stellar numbers but once he told the coaches to give him a chance to throw the ball and play his game.. he really turned it on.

in the conditions they faced Sunday.. i'd say his numbers look pretty good.

 
local sports radio is reporting that Jimmy Smith is "not likely to go on Sunday".no link. no verification. just local sports radio talking.

 
GB 20 JAX 10
Favre did not look good against a very average Lions' D last week, and I think both teams will struggle mightily with the conditions.JAX 14

GB 10

I see a defensive score for the Fla Cats.
Favre did not look good against the Lions in the first half.the gameplan, based on the wind, was to try and work short passes... coaches thought that'd be smarter than going deep. unfortunately short, soft passes, were being blown way off course.

Favre went in at half and told the coaches "those touch passes are affected too much by the wind.. it's easier for me to put zip on the ball and get it downfield"

1st quarter - 0-3, 0yds

2nd quarter - 3-12, 28yds

3rd quarter - 7-9, 69yds, 1 td

4th quarter - 9-12, 58yds

not stellar numbers but once he told the coaches to give him a chance to throw the ball and play his game.. he really turned it on.

in the conditions they faced Sunday.. i'd say his numbers look pretty good.
Favre actually threw for 160 yards in the second half. Just to be accurate. :)
 
GB 20 JAX 10
Favre did not look good against a very average Lions' D last week, and I think both teams will struggle mightily with the conditions.JAX 14

GB 10

I see a defensive score for the Fla Cats.
Actually, Favre looked real good in the second half of the Lions' game, throwing for around 160 yards and a TD (it should've been over 200 yards and 2 TDs were it not for a very suspect holding call on the Green TD and had Franks not let a TD go right through his hands). Based on the second half and based on Favre's outstanding record in the cold, I think it's safe to say what we saw in the first half last week was a fluke. If anyone can handle the elements at Lambeau in December, it's Favre. That's been proven repeatedly.The big question is how will the Jags respond when that cold temperature hits their a**. You can talk all you want about how you'll be ready, but unless you've actually been out there when it gets that cold you don't know how bad it can be. And with a later start, it's going to be damn cold and it's going to get worse when the sun goes down in the second half. I've seen a number of warm-weather teams flat-out wilt in that cold and want no part of it (the Raiders about a decade ago was the most explicit example of a team that just quit in the cold). I'm not saying that's what the Jags will do, but anyone who thinks this isn't going to be a very significant aspect of their game is kidding themselves.

I think the Packers are the superior team and I think Favre will step up and have a strong day. So I'd say ...

Packers 24

Jags 13
I'll give you the TD pass to Driver (he had some nice zip on the ball), but most of the passes he threw were of the short variety. Javon Walker was pretty much of a non-factor in this game, and I don't see him as much of a factor in Sunday's game either -- even against Jacksonville's corners.If weather conditions were moderately better, I would feel more confident in proclaiming my love for the "Pack". :rolleyes:

But truth be told, unless Ahman Green can take advantage of the Jags' DEs, this game will hang in the balance until the last play.

You gotta love the way the Henderson/Stroud play, and any fan of old time football will enjoy the battle in the trenches. I know I will. :thumbup:

I looking forward to watching this game, it should be played very tight.

 
local sports radio is reporting that Jimmy Smith is "not likely to go on Sunday".no link. no verification. just local sports radio talking.
Is this Wisconsin radio? I haven't heard that here and as far as I know Jimmy Smith was practicing yesterday.Here's the injury report from this morning's Times-Union:
Bumps and bruisesSafety Deon Grant was added to the injury report with a knee injury, but is probable and practiced. Stroud missed some time at practice with his knee injury, while cornerback Juran Bolden remains doubtful with a quad injury and didn't practice.
 
GB 20 JAX 10
Favre did not look good against a very average Lions' D last week, and I think both teams will struggle mightily with the conditions.JAX 14

GB 10

I see a defensive score for the Fla Cats.
Actually, Favre looked real good in the second half of the Lions' game, throwing for around 160 yards and a TD (it should've been over 200 yards and 2 TDs were it not for a very suspect holding call on the Green TD and had Franks not let a TD go right through his hands). Based on the second half and based on Favre's outstanding record in the cold, I think it's safe to say what we saw in the first half last week was a fluke. If anyone can handle the elements at Lambeau in December, it's Favre. That's been proven repeatedly.The big question is how will the Jags respond when that cold temperature hits their a**. You can talk all you want about how you'll be ready, but unless you've actually been out there when it gets that cold you don't know how bad it can be. And with a later start, it's going to be damn cold and it's going to get worse when the sun goes down in the second half. I've seen a number of warm-weather teams flat-out wilt in that cold and want no part of it (the Raiders about a decade ago was the most explicit example of a team that just quit in the cold). I'm not saying that's what the Jags will do, but anyone who thinks this isn't going to be a very significant aspect of their game is kidding themselves.

I think the Packers are the superior team and I think Favre will step up and have a strong day. So I'd say ...

Packers 24

Jags 13
I'll give you the TD pass to Driver (he had some nice zip on the ball), but most of the passes he threw were of the short variety. Javon Walker was pretty much of a non-factor in this game, and I don't see him as much of a factor in Sunday's game either -- even against Jacksonville's corners.If weather conditions were moderately better, I would feel more confident in proclaiming my love for the "Pack". :rolleyes:
It's not a question of proclaiming my "love for the Pack." It's dealing with the facts and proven performance. The facts indicate that Favre looked real good in the second half last week. Even without Walker being much of a factor, Favre still played terrific football. He completed 76% of his passes for 160 yards and a TD (and both totals should have been higher) in real rough conditions. The proven history is what Favre has done in the past when the weather turns nasty. That's documented.

Obviously the Packers could lose this game. They've not been a standout home team under Sherman, but Sherman's record in December is impressive and given how badly the Packers need to win this game (win this game and a loss next week at Minnesota isn't a killer; lose and now that game with the Vikings becomes huge and the Packers and domes go together like Rosie O'Donnell and America's Next Supermodel) I think they will be the victorious team on Sunday.

 
is this a roll call of people attending Sunday's game at Lambeau?i'm there!section 123, row 34, seat 15bundle up and wear layers boys!
I gave my tickets to a buddy due to the birth of my son 12/4 and a very busy work schedule. Very happy it was moved to a 3:15 kickoff so I can watch the game on national tv from home here in Chicago. The late kickoff will almost certainly mean nastier, colder weather from the get-go.
 
GB 20 JAX 10
Favre did not look good against a very average Lions' D last week, and I think both teams will struggle mightily with the conditions.JAX 14

GB 10

I see a defensive score for the Fla Cats.
Favre did not look good against the Lions in the first half.the gameplan, based on the wind, was to try and work short passes... coaches thought that'd be smarter than going deep. unfortunately short, soft passes, were being blown way off course.

Favre went in at half and told the coaches "those touch passes are affected too much by the wind.. it's easier for me to put zip on the ball and get it downfield"

1st quarter - 0-3, 0yds

2nd quarter - 3-12, 28yds

3rd quarter - 7-9, 69yds, 1 td

4th quarter - 9-12, 58yds

not stellar numbers but once he told the coaches to give him a chance to throw the ball and play his game.. he really turned it on.

in the conditions they faced Sunday.. i'd say his numbers look pretty good.
Green Bay PackersBY QUARTER: 1st Quarter 2nd Quarter 3rd Quarter 4th Quarter/OT

Targ Rec YD TD | Targ Rec YD TD | Targ Rec YD TD | Targ Rec YD TD

Chatman, A | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0

Davenport, N | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 1 5 0 | 0 0 0 0

Driver, D | 1 0 0 0 | 2 0 0 0 | 3 3 48 1 | 2 1 39 0

Ferguson, R | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0

Fisher, T | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 1 10 0

Franks, B | 0 0 0 0 | 2 1 5 0 | 2 2 15 0 | 2 1 9 0

Green, A | 1 0 0 0 | 1 1 11 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 3 3 7 0

Henderson, W | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 1 11 0

Walker, J | 1 0 0 0 | 4 1 12 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 2 2 14 0

Looking over these numbers, I don't see much in the way of completing passes downfield.

Driver had 2 big receptions -- the TD, and a 39 yarder (which I didn't see since I flipped to the Car/StL game.).

Everything else that was completed was between 5-12 yards. That sounds like a short passing game to me.

 
local sports radio is reporting that Jimmy Smith is "not likely to go on Sunday".no link. no verification. just local sports radio talking.
Is this Wisconsin radio? I haven't heard that here and as far as I know Jimmy Smith was practicing yesterday.Here's the injury report from this morning's Times-Union:
Bumps and bruisesSafety Deon Grant was added to the injury report with a knee injury, but is probable and practiced. Stroud missed some time at practice with his knee injury, while cornerback Juran Bolden remains doubtful with a quad injury and didn't practice.
yeah, Green Bay radio.107.5 The FanTC and Chris Havel.i'm not saying this is an accurate reporting and Jimmy Smith is out or anything... just an fyi.
 
GB 20 JAX 10
Favre did not look good against a very average Lions' D last week, and I think both teams will struggle mightily with the conditions.JAX 14

GB 10

I see a defensive score for the Fla Cats.
Favre did not look good against the Lions in the first half.the gameplan, based on the wind, was to try and work short passes... coaches thought that'd be smarter than going deep. unfortunately short, soft passes, were being blown way off course.

Favre went in at half and told the coaches "those touch passes are affected too much by the wind.. it's easier for me to put zip on the ball and get it downfield"

1st quarter - 0-3, 0yds

2nd quarter - 3-12, 28yds

3rd quarter - 7-9, 69yds, 1 td

4th quarter - 9-12, 58yds

not stellar numbers but once he told the coaches to give him a chance to throw the ball and play his game.. he really turned it on.

in the conditions they faced Sunday.. i'd say his numbers look pretty good.
Green Bay PackersBY QUARTER: 1st Quarter 2nd Quarter 3rd Quarter 4th Quarter/OT

Targ Rec YD TD | Targ Rec YD TD | Targ Rec YD TD | Targ Rec YD TD

Chatman, A | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0

Davenport, N | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 1 5 0 | 0 0 0 0

Driver, D | 1 0 0 0 | 2 0 0 0 | 3 3 48 1 | 2 1 39 0

Ferguson, R | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0

Fisher, T | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 1 10 0

Franks, B | 0 0 0 0 | 2 1 5 0 | 2 2 15 0 | 2 1 9 0

Green, A | 1 0 0 0 | 1 1 11 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 3 3 7 0

Henderson, W | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 1 11 0

Walker, J | 1 0 0 0 | 4 1 12 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 2 2 14 0

Looking over these numbers, I don't see much in the way of completing passes downfield.

Driver had 2 big receptions -- the TD, and a 39 yarder (which I didn't see since I flipped to the Car/StL game.).

Everything else that was completed was between 5-12 yards. That sounds like a short passing game to me.
You're not making a good arguement for yourself. It doesn't matter how far he threw the ball in the 2nd half, the results are what matters.Favre had a great 2nd half against the Lions in terrible conditions and brought the Packers back from a 13-0 deficit. Deal with that and the fact Favre is 38-1 in games played when the temp is under 34 degrees.

 
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GB 20 JAX 10
Favre did not look good against a very average Lions' D last week, and I think both teams will struggle mightily with the conditions.JAX 14

GB 10

I see a defensive score for the Fla Cats.
Favre did not look good against the Lions in the first half.the gameplan, based on the wind, was to try and work short passes... coaches thought that'd be smarter than going deep. unfortunately short, soft passes, were being blown way off course.

Favre went in at half and told the coaches "those touch passes are affected too much by the wind.. it's easier for me to put zip on the ball and get it downfield"

1st quarter - 0-3, 0yds

2nd quarter - 3-12, 28yds

3rd quarter - 7-9, 69yds, 1 td

4th quarter - 9-12, 58yds

not stellar numbers but once he told the coaches to give him a chance to throw the ball and play his game.. he really turned it on.

in the conditions they faced Sunday.. i'd say his numbers look pretty good.
Green Bay PackersBY QUARTER: 1st Quarter 2nd Quarter 3rd Quarter 4th Quarter/OT

Targ Rec YD TD | Targ Rec YD TD | Targ Rec YD TD | Targ Rec YD TD

Chatman, A | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0

Davenport, N | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 1 5 0 | 0 0 0 0

Driver, D | 1 0 0 0 | 2 0 0 0 | 3 3 48 1 | 2 1 39 0

Ferguson, R | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0

Fisher, T | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 1 10 0

Franks, B | 0 0 0 0 | 2 1 5 0 | 2 2 15 0 | 2 1 9 0

Green, A | 1 0 0 0 | 1 1 11 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 3 3 7 0

Henderson, W | 0 0 0 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 | 1 1 11 0

Walker, J | 1 0 0 0 | 4 1 12 0 | 1 0 0 0 | 2 2 14 0

Looking over these numbers, I don't see much in the way of completing passes downfield.

Driver had 2 big receptions -- the TD, and a 39 yarder (which I didn't see since I flipped to the Car/StL game.).

Everything else that was completed was between 5-12 yards. That sounds like a short passing game to me.
(nice stats)first half was all about swing passes, passes to the flats.. nothing with any velocity. they were asking Favre to make touch passes.

2nd half he took the governor off and started unloading.

the TD pass to Driver was a friggin rocket into a very tight space.

my point is, he looked awful in the first half when the coaches were really limiting him because they felt passing downfield into that gale would do more harm than good.

the offense couldn't get into a rhythm.. the run game was going nowhere.. too many 3 and outs.

once they let Brett throw a little and took some chances things started looking up.,

Detroit 13-0 at half

GB 16-13 at the end.

two totally different halves of football.

 
The Jaguars are about to step into a different reality than they have ever known.A half hour before their plane approaches the smallest airport any of them have ever seen they will look out their window at the vast inland sea that is Lake Michigan. It will be belching steam as the cold air rides over the still riled and unfrozen water. If they could look closely enough they would see that it actually snows up and out of the lake as the steam condenses and freezes.They will be momentarily exposed to the air as they enter their ground transportation. They will tell themselves that the 30 seconds they just spent in the cold wasn't so bad, but some of the southern guys on the team will already be wondering about their ability to cope. They will drive over roads named for Lombardi and Holmgren. They will see roadsigns for places that can't really exist, like Ashwaubenon, Waupaca, and Kewaunee. While doing so they will notice, playing football happily outside, the great grandsons of lumberjacks, miners, and fishermen who routinely troll the waters that took the Edmin Fitzgerald to it's grave. They will be wearing jerseys with legendary names on them like Starr, Nitschke, Adderly, Caffee, Davis, Wood, Jordan, Gregg. About then it will occur to them they are out of their element and they will wonder if, living and working among these people, the Packer Players have absorbed some of the hearty tendancies of these people.They will roll past the Fox River, obscured by an ice fog, to a hotel far less ritzy than they are accustomed to. They may choose to go out to a bar or restaurant. If they do they will be stepping into establishments owned and operated by former superbowl and world champions, or they will see memorabilia from those teams.When they return to their hotel their coaches will try to discourage them from turning on the T.V.s because if they do they will hear windchill figures that will cause them to think and to doubt, and they might even see clips from the Ice Bowl.The morning of the game they will pass through the cold on the way to their team bus. The linings of their noses will feeze, their breath will form icicles on their beards, and they will travel to a green monster rising from a sea of tailgating maniacs. They will enter Lambeau field for the first time and as they do they will start to hear echos from the past. They will try to ignore the echos, but too many times, as children, they heard John Facenda narrate the recap of the Ice Bowl. against their very will they will start to be drawn into the dream and nightmare of a game on the "Frozen Tundra".Time will come for pregame warmups. The team will split on whether tis better to make a foolish show of bravado and to go out to warm up in short sleeves, or whether they should put on every stich of clothing they own. Either way the team is split.They will go out to warm up, and at first the temperature won't seem so bad. They will actually be heartened, until they try to punt the ball which will only go half as far as they anticipate, or they try to catch a pass that slides through their hands as if the ball has been greased. They will be getting their first hint of problems to come and they will return to the locker room wondering if they have the right gloves, clothes, and cleats. Some of the players will look to the Packer players for guidelines, but they will wonder if the Packer players are playing head games with them.When they come back out for player introductions they will be shocked to notice that in the hour they have been inside the temperature has dipped ten degrees with the sun sliding low. They will wonder if it will get colder. It will.As they game starts they will find that half of them have the wrong shoes, cleats, and gloves. They will learn this as drives stall and kicks travel 19 yards. Why will the drives stall, because the Packers will have eight and nine guys in the box knowing Jacksonville will be unable to pass.The Packers offense won't be great, but the greatest cold weather Q.B., playing in conditions he got used to last week will put some points on the board and the Packers will go into halftime with a lead (even if they don't Jacksonville will remember last week's comeback and the legend of favre's 4th qtr. heroics).Coming out for the second half the Jags will be smacked in the face. Could it really be that with the sun now down it just got much colder? The Packer offense will be pedestrian by most standards, but extraordinarily efficient under the circumstances. The Jags will feel their physical strength and their wills collapsing. They will have the built in excuse of the weather, and, like those before them they will take it.

 
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The Jaguars are about to step into a different reality than they have ever known.A half hour before their plane approaches the smallest airport any of them have ever seen they will look out their window at the vast inland sea that is Lake Michigan. It will be belching steam as the cold air rides over the still riled and unfrozen water. If they could look closely enough they would see that it actually snows up and out of the lake as the steam condenses and freezes.They will be momentarily exposed to the air as they enter their ground transportation. They will tell themselves that the 30 seconds they just spent in the cold wasn't so bad, but some of the southern guys on the team will already be wondering about their ability to cope. They will drive over roads named for Lombardi and Holmgren. They will see roadsigns for places that can't really exist, like Ashwaubenon, Waupaca, and Kewaunee. While doing so they will notice, playing football happily outside, the great grandsons of lumberjacks, miners, and fishermen who routinely troll the waters that took the Edmin Fitzgerald to it's grave. They will be wearing jerseys with legendary names on them like Starr, Nitschke, Adderly, Caffee, Davis, Wood, Jordan, Gregg. About then it will occur to them they are out of their element and they will wonder if, living and working among these people, the Packer Players have absorbed some of the hearty tendancies of these people.They will roll past the Fox River, obscured by an ice fog, to a hotel far less ritzy than they are accustomed to. They may choose to go out to a bar or restaurant. If they do they will be stepping into establishments owned and operated by former superbowl and world champions, or they will see memorabilia from those teams.When they return to their hotel their coaches will try to discourage them from turning on the T.V.s because if they do they will hear windchill figures that will cause them to think and to doubt, and they might even see clips from the Ice Bowl.The morning of the game they will pass through the cold on the way to their team bus. The linings of their noses will feeze, their breath will form icicles on their beards, and they will travel to a green monster rising from a sea of tailgating maniacs. They will enter Lambeau field for the first time and as they do they will start to hear echos from the past. They will try to ignore the echos, but too many times, as children, they heard John Facenda narrate the recap of the Ice Bowl. against their very will they will start to be drawn into the dream and nightmare of a game on the "Frozen Tundra".Time will come for pregame warmups. The team will split on whether tis better to make a foolish show of bravado and to go out to warm up in short sleeves, or whether they should put on every stich of clothing they own. Either way they team is split.They will go out to warm up, and at first the temperature won't seem so bad. They will actually be heartened, until they try to punt the ball which will only go half as far as they anticipate, or they try to catch a pass that slides through thier hands as if the ball has been greased. They will be getting their first hint of problems to come and they will return to the locker room wonder if they have the right gloves, clothes, and cleats. Some of the players will look to the Packer players for guidelines, but they wil wonder if the Packer players are playing head games with them.When they come back out for player introductions they will be shocked to notice that in the hour they have been inside the temperature as dipped ten degrees with the sun sliding low. They will wonder if it will get colder. It will.As they game starts they will find that half of them have the wrong shoes, cleats, and gloves. They will learn this as drives stall and kicks travel 19 yards. Why will the drives stall, because the Packers will have eight and nine guys in the box knowing Jacksonville will be unable to pass.The Packers offense won't be great, but the greatest cold weather Q.B., playing in conditions he got used too last week will put some points on the board and the Packers will go into halftime with a lead (even if they don't Jacksonville will remember last week's comeback and the legend of favre's 4th qtr. heroics).Coming out for the second half the jags will be smacked in the face. Could if really be that with the sun now down it just got much colder? The Packer offense will be pedestrian by most standards, but extraordinarily efficient under the circumstances. The Jags will feel their physical strentgh and their wills collapsing. They will have the built in excuse of the weather, and, like those before them they will take it.
You act is if every player on Jacksonville's roster has never played a game outside the state of Florida. Nice story though.
 
not 100% buying into the "cold weather effect" but.. it does have some effect.playing in it once in a while.. or being from a cold weather state.... none of that matters. trust me.buddies of mine who have moved away to warmer climes come back in the winter and it's a shock. takes a few days to get acclimated to. literally.not that it means Jacksonville will be scared... or won't want to play.. but it has an effect that can't be quantified. start to get beat up a little, fall behind my a couple scores and all of a sudden the cold is miserable and starts to take over.

 
Question: What stopped Napoleon? What stopped Hitler's armies from conquering Russia or winning the battle of the Bulge? Why did the Roman Empire's northern most range stop short of the Nordic countries?

 
Question: What stopped Napoleon? What stopped Hitler's armies from conquering Russia or winning the battle of the Bulge? Why did the Roman Empire's northern most range stop short of the Nordic countries?
Funny uniforms?
 
Ditkaless Wonders, can you read it again in your best John Facenda voice? :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Good stuff. Makes me pine for the old days at the Met (Minneapolis). The Vikes haven't been the same since.

 
Question: What stopped Napoleon? What stopped Hitler's armies from conquering Russia or winning the battle of the Bulge? Why did the Roman Empire's northern most range stop short of the Nordic countries?
THE Green Bay Packers??
 
playing in it once in a while.. or being from a cold weather state.... none of that matters. trust me.
I disagree completely. Bitterly cold weather is something that can not be acclimated to quickly. If one lives in cold weather, the human body gets used to its effects and gains tolerance. Not being acclimated, the human body does what it needs to do to try to warm up - it shivers. Shivering is the involuntary movement of muscles in the body's effort to gain heat. Shivering takes energy constantly, sapping the stores that the body has available as well as reducing the reaction time of the muscles to fire when called upon to do so in voluntary actions.Then there are the physiological effects. The extremities get cold first in an effort by the body to keep the main mass of the body warm. As the extremities get cold they lose their tolerance to pain, and hits to the extremities start hurting more. Plus the brain subliminally tells the body that it needs to start getting warm & you start to get mental fatigue factoring in. Cold makes cowards of even the strongest men, and those not acclimated to harsh cold quickly find themselves at a significant physical & mental disadvantage.
 
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