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Don't do this.
Conflict of interest is "a situation in which a person is in a position to derive personal benefit from actions or decisions made in their official capacity."sho nuff said:
It has zero to do with the disagreeing part. What triggers the response is all the wrappings. If one wants a good response, don't wrap in personal non sense. All this 'I said I am not responding to you, but..' stuff is pure arrogance. A good discussion should not include calling a person a troll or an alias or parroting fox news or questioning their integrity, sincerity or motives. The discussion becomes personal and any points of legitimate discussion gets lost.sho nuff said:
How is this not a bigger deal, by the way? He's just doing whatever he wants, and it's got to stop!
It's all timing--there were at least 3 stories yesterday (this one, the bogus "ceasefire", and the admission of quid pro quo) that would have been the biggest scandal in any administration since Watergate. But, with all of them on the same day, none of them is as big of a deal as they should be because attention is split. Then toss in Trump's psychotic rant at his rally last night and it's impossible to keep attention on any one scandal.
Yeah, like anyone in this cabinet would ever consider any action more disloyal than refusing to kiss his ring in public.
That’s part of it. But the other part is that all we can do is impeach the guy and the Republican Senators will not convict. So he can break these laws with impunity.
I agree - Hunter and Joe Biden had a conflict of interest in Ukraine. But, that's not what this was about. If Trump was really concerned about conflicts of interests, he'd be looking into [insert looooong list of Trump conflicts here]. There are so many conflicts of interest within the Trump administration that it's laughable that Trump is concerned about ethics. If anything, Trump is pissed that someone else was grifting without him. It's like a mob boss getting pissed off that someone held up a gas station.
And you are correct, although I don't think you can completely divorse the Hunter Biden ordeal. But Trump is taking corrupt to bold new levels.
I don’t trust the Clinton email investigation either. It’s pretty clear with Strok Page Comey Brennan our alphabet soup people are biased. CNN has hired a bunch of spooks to frame the propaganda narrative 24/7. Seems they are covering up for themselves and a lot of well known team blue crooks to me. People don’t chant lock her up for nothing.
So..... I'll mark you down as one in the "political leanings" group as there isn't a single part of this position taking issue with the investigation that was done. Thank you for your honesty. Not much of that around here these days.
He was investigating Burisma? Wait no...thats actually completely false. Why is posting things that are knowingly false continually accepted and done nearly exclusively by those supporting Donald Trump?
Well, this part is true, anyhow. They are totally biased against conmen, cheats, security risks and other criminal elements. Please link to Biden bragging about getting the prosecutor who was investigating the gas company where his son had dealings fired.
Nope. That's a video of him bragging about getting rid of the prosecutor who wasn't investigating anyone, as agreed by the entire world outside of the Trump Zone.
According to the guy who was fired, he was. According to media sources he wasn't. But maybe those sources were Biden staffers. Despite numerous sources which report it as fact, do we really know those reports are accurate? Do we really what is the basis is for saying he wasn't investigating? It is just some opinion from some unnamed person who most likily has no real insight into the inner workings of the investigation and could have some ulterior motives.
He's talking about Viktor Shokin there...the guy who investigated Biden's son is Yuriy Lutsenko and the most recent prosecutor who said he wasn't aware of any issues with Biden is Ruslan Ryaboshapka
According to the guy who was fired...who claimed this long after being fired and only, thus far, cited by John Solomon.
He put this in an affidavit.
Yes, it is. Yet you have taken that position and repeated it over and over as well. Why?
Yet there was no evidence of such am investigation and all other sources dispute that.
That is an unexcellent statement. I have stated that a few time, but I will express skepticism or even put 'investigate' in quotes. I have not presented it as a fact, just that is his position.
Coke sniffing Biden who got kicked out of the navy helped the Chinese get fighter jet technology from us too. Team blue is crooked to the core so they attack Trump 24/7 to distract from their crimes. Traitors.!
Do we really know that he wasn't a shapeshifter from another galaxy sent to infiltrate earth? Presuming he's human is just some opinion from some unnamed person who most likely has no real insight and could have some ulterior motives.jon_mx said:
Jon, Shokin wrote letters to the UK and other courts saying the investigation was C.L.O.S.E.D. as early as 2014.jon_mx said:
Please read through the Conspiracy Theories thread. That affidavit is by Shokin and it's dated 9/4/19, 3.5 years after he was fired by not just the president, and also confirmed as fired by the whole damned Ukraine parliament. This is like fairy tale world.jon_mx said:
And that was prior to when Shokin took over. Look, I don't believe him. I express skepticism about his claims. This entire last several pages is people getting upset because Shokin is called the prosecutor investigating the firm hunter worked for. Whether he was actively investigating or just should have been and wasn't or whatever, this is all the mob getting bent out of shape and making it personal over semantics. It is silly.
I presented his statement and said he is probably lying. What did I say that you disagree about?
Not to speak for SID, but what's maddening is you saying "I don't believe him. He's probably lying. He's probably corrupt." And, despite that, you contend his self-exculpatory statement alone is enough that it justifies another "investigation" into Biden and that anyone who tries to point out how little sense that makes "is all the mob getting bent out of shape and making it personal over semantics".
No, Shokin took over February 2014. Before that he was deputy general prosecutor over Zlochevsky/Burisma when the incidents at question happened. This was before Hunter even joined the board.
I don't recall trying to justify another investigation. My point was simply because Hunter worked at that company it presented a conflict of interest for Joe Biden.
The implicit couching it as a ‘position’ he holds, as though it’s just a different POV. It’s not. The affidavit is 95% a defense of Dmitri Firtash to help him fight extradition to the US. Do you know who that is?
And, on top of that you linked to a story of Biden getting the "lying" "corrupt" guy fired as proof that he interfered with the investigation into Burisma:jon_mx said:
jon_mx said:
This is interesting....are you saying that you don't think another investigation is needed?
I have not suggested there was any interfering thus I was not trying to prove any such thing. But there was a conflict of interest. That is it. It taints whatever Biden did.
This sounds a lot like the self proclaimed Libertarians who turned on Napolitano when he started criticizing Trump.
Jon - you were doing fairly well in not resorting to the martyr shtick. No need to go there now.
Spot on....
And this is where people are going to give you grief and it is absolutely NOT semantics. There is a significant difference between stating "hey, that IS a conflict of interest" and "hey, that MIGHT be a conflict of interest...we better look into that further". The details in these conversations matter a lot. They are important to get right. There's a whole timeline out there showing exactly what's happened. And Trump's position of "hey, we need to investigate this because it's a conflict of interest" is completely negated by the timeline and any facts of the events. It's been investigated and two different prosecutors have come back with "nothing to see here folks". One can make the argument that they don't trust those prosecutors because they were pressured by Biden. That exact same argument can be made by the opposite side saying those prosecutors were pressured by Trump. So where does that leave us?
If you weren’t apologizing for Trump 24/7 and expressing concern about the MASSIVE conflicts of interest with his own kids and using his position of power to promote his personal brand, this might be an interesting discussion. But the hypocrisy is just too rich, absurdly obvious, and makes your faux concerns incredibly disingenuous.
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To be fair, Heinz didn't dissolve the partnership until at least 8 months after Hunter joined Burisma's board.
