Westbrook and Bush falling to me late in PPR Draft. (1 Viewer)

[pubster77]

I just did my first draft yesterday. It was a 12 team PPR money league.

I was very surprised to draft Brian Westbrook at 2.08 and Reggie Bush at 5.05.

Is there something I dont know about these guys, or is it normal that they fell this far?

Brian Westbrook is listed as probably for the Eagles next preseason game and is ready to start the season. Westbrook has been the top back in each of the last two seasons in PPR format. (points per game)

Any feedback is welcome

 

[Buffaloes]

Knee issues with both. I was surprised to see Bush fall in a .5 PPR draft I just had. These guys are a risk for certain but if they can stay healthy, they look to be huge bargains this year. Big if, though.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

The shiny new RBs (Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, and Steve Slaton) + BW's injuries history + the presence of L. McCoy + BW's age have pushed his perceived value down. Might be a case history repeating itself like when Tiki Barber was going at the bottom of round one and ended being atop 3 RB.

 

[pubster77]

The shiny new RBs (Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, and Steve Slaton) + BW's injuries history + the presence of L. McCoy + BW's age have pushed his perceived value down. Might be a case history repeating itself like when Tiki Barber was going at the bottom of round one and ended being atop 3 RB.

Well I did pick up McCoy as a handicuff.I still found it strange that BW would be going after guys like Portis or C.Johnson, especially in a PPR (1pt per reception even for RBs)

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I'm in a non-ppr ten team league and got Westbrook at 4.2. I was set to take Rogers but just couldn't pass up that kinda of value. I was stunned that he didn't go at the end of the second much less the third round. I live in Philly so the drafters are pretty familiar with his situation. He can be a headache for sure but how do you pass up that potential value that late?

 

[JamesTheScot]

Both have a significant injury history...including some current issues. Westbrook is getting up into those years considered post-prime for a RB.

Not sure about draft spots, but Westy is outside the top 10 RB's in most rankings so it sounds like you got him in the right neighborhood for where the consensus wisdom has him.

But if you think he's headed back to the top 10, just sit back and enjoy the ride.

I see this is your first post. Stick around and learn. Not everything you hear on here will be gospel, but you will get a ton of information and will be presented with differing but well reasoned responses.

 

[kutta]

I'm in a non-ppr ten team league and got Westbrook at 4.2. I was set to take Rogers but just couldn't pass up that kinda of value. I was stunned that he didn't go at the end of the second much less the third round. I live in Philly so the drafters are pretty familiar with his situation. He can be a headache for sure but how do you pass up that potential value that late?

That's ridiculous.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I just did my first draft yesterday. It was a 12 team PPR money league.I was very surprised to draft Brian Westbrook at 2.08 and Reggie Bush at 5.05.Is there something I dont know about these guys, or is it normal that they fell this far?Brian Westbrook is listed as probably for the Eagles next preseason game and is ready to start the season. Westbrook has been the top back in each of the last two seasons in PPR format. (points per game)Any feedback is welcome

Lots of people forget that when guys like Westy and Bush are out that you still plug in a player. These guys are ppr machines, sit back and enjoy the ride and don't get upset when they miss a game or two, you still stole them.

 

[TheFanatic]

I just did my first draft yesterday. It was a 12 team PPR money league.I was very surprised to draft Brian Westbrook at 2.08 and Reggie Bush at 5.05.Is there something I dont know about these guys, or is it normal that they fell this far?Brian Westbrook is listed as probably for the Eagles next preseason game and is ready to start the season. Westbrook has been the top back in each of the last two seasons in PPR format. (points per game)Any feedback is welcome

Did you get McCoy to handcuff to BW? Westbrook will have some very productive games this year. But the O/U needs to be set around 12 as to how many. I would be pretty worried about going into the playoffs with BW and no McCoy. As for the other guy? Well if I make any sort of comments I get people whining about me being a hater. So I'll leave that discussion up to others here...

 

[burd]

i can only hope westy and bush last that long in my league... but they won't

 

[Zoomanji]

The shiny new RBs (Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, and Steve Slaton) + BW's injuries history + the presence of L. McCoy + BW's age have pushed his perceived value down. Might be a case history repeating itself like when Tiki Barber was going at the bottom of round one and ended being atop 3 RB.

Well I did pick up McCoy as a handicap.I still found it strange that BW would be going after guys like Portis or C.Johnson, especially in a PPR (1pt per reception even for RBs)

Handcuff I've seen them fall that far in 2 other drafts also (and they were drafts with people up on FF, not "novices").

Westbrook its the worry about injuries and McCoy. until you get to the mid/late second round there are safer options. But he's amazing when healthy.

Bush, pretty much the same but he's fighting Thomas for carries. I had a chance to take him in the late 4th and passed in favor of Moreno. He was gone in the early 5th.

 

[pubster77]

Both have a significant injury history...including some current issues. Westbrook is getting up into those years considered post-prime for a RB.Not sure about draft spots, but Westy is outside the top 10 RB's in most rankings so it sounds like you got him in the right neighborhood for where the consensus wisdom has him.But if you think he's headed back to the top 10, just sit back and enjoy the ride.I see this is your first post. Stick around and learn. Not everything you hear on here will be gospel, but you will get a ton of information and will be presented with differing but well reasoned responses.

Ive actually been visiting this forum for about 3 years now, but just made my first post now =)When evaluating a player I like to look at Points per game and not Points per season. (assuming that they play at least 10 games).

 

[Buffaloes]

I see these guys going all over the place lately. Where do you guys think Westy should be going in a PPR draft? I have him somewhere around the early to mid 2nd in 12 teamer.

 

[Zoomanji]

I see these guys going all over the place lately. Where do you guys think Westy should be going in a PPR draft? I have him somewhere around the early to mid 2nd in 12 teamer.

Mid second is about right IMO but you're almost locked into taking McCoy (who has been going kind of early for a 'cuff 7th/8th) or another viable starting RB as protection.Bush I haven't really been watching since I want no part of him but I think late 3rd to mid 5th which is a pretty big range. guess it depends if there is an owner who really likes him

 

[TheFanatic]

Both have a significant injury history...including some current issues. Westbrook is getting up into those years considered post-prime for a RB.

Not sure about draft spots, but Westy is outside the top 10 RB's in most rankings so it sounds like you got him in the right neighborhood for where the consensus wisdom has him.

But if you think he's headed back to the top 10, just sit back and enjoy the ride.

I see this is your first post. Stick around and learn. Not everything you hear on here will be gospel, but you will get a ton of information and will be presented with differing but well reasoned responses.

Ive actually been visiting this forum for about 3 years now, but just made my first post now =)When evaluating a player I like to look at Points per game and not Points per season. (assuming that they play at least 10 games).

This is an excellent way of looking at it. As a BW owner in a dynasty league (HA1), he's starting for me if he's starting the game. Now if he starts bowing out of games left and right then I will rethink that. I don't see a lot of value after this year but despite it being a dynasty league, someone has to win this year. HE might be a guy that can do that, particularly with the kid nipping at his heels.

 

[Kruppe]

Yes. A proper thread title.

 

[Ray_T]

I just did my first draft yesterday. It was a 12 team PPR money league.I was very surprised to draft Brian Westbrook at 2.08 and Reggie Bush at 5.05.Is there something I dont know about these guys, or is it normal that they fell this far?Brian Westbrook is listed as probably for the Eagles next preseason game and is ready to start the season. Westbrook has been the top back in each of the last two seasons in PPR format. (points per game)Any feedback is welcome

Based on injury history (Westy hasnt played a full season in a long time) and his age and bum knee, I think it is only a matter of time until the wheels fall off. The fact the Eagles drafted a RB in the 2nd round, and he has looked good in camp thus far, leads me to believe the eagles wont wait long to pull Westy if he's not able to cut it.he likely has one more good year, but you have to add a risk premium to his average draft position.The point where I feel the upside & risk are balanced is late in the 2nd or early in the 3rd round.of course, this is my opinion, I tend to add a larger risk premium to oft injured players approaching the age of 30 than the average guy, so you're probably okay where you picked him.either way, that is the reason for Westy.As for Bush, I think there is sufficient explantion listed in this thread already and dont feel I need to address this further.

 

[Black]

I just did my first draft yesterday. It was a 12 team PPR money league.I was very surprised to draft Brian Westbrook at 2.08 and Reggie Bush at 5.05.Is there something I dont know about these guys, or is it normal that they fell this far?Brian Westbrook is listed as probably for the Eagles next preseason game and is ready to start the season. Westbrook has been the top back in each of the last two seasons in PPR format. (points per game)Any feedback is welcome

People still have some Rookie hangover from last year (Slaton, CJ3, Forte), along with RBBC concerns and health issues for the Vets.I think they have forgotten the 'DWill Syndrome', maybe better labeled John Fox Syndrome, where the not-so-ready-to-kick-the-bucket Vet hangs on to the job and who's value is actually enhanced by offloading a few carries.This year, I think people are ready to shrug off Westbrook (McCoy) and Addai (D.Brown), and I think they are ambivalent about MBIII (Choice, Felix), Portis (Betts?, injury), Gore (Coffee, injury-risk), SJax (injury risk, Rams-Suck Factor) to name a few.I would not ONLY build my team around older guys like those (along with LT, TO, Driver, etc) or risk guys (B. Edwards, Lee Evans). But I don't mind grabbing Westbrook in the late 2nd or Addai in the 5-6th, esp if I fill out the rest of my roster with some younger guys and/or their handcuffs. Especially in the case of Westbrook, Portis, and Gore, you have some great backups that you can get round 9 or later to handcuff.Oh yeah, please change Thread title to "Westbrook and Bush falling to me late in PPR draft"....you'll get more looks.

 

[2and2is5]

Yes. A proper thread title.

 

[pubster77]

Yes. A proper thread title.

Done.

 

[bocksheesh]

Tonight's news that Westbrook will be inactive for the 3rd preseason game and probably the 4th preseason game only helps solidify his late 2nd round pick.

Too many people will be scared off from taking him without the benefit of not having seen him in play in preseason.

But .... not me.

 

[burgundy and gold]

In my 10 team ppr redraft Bush fell to me at 6.10. Westbrook went at 3.09. I'd have gladly taken Westbrook with either my 2.10(but I'm a big Portis fan and I also really hate Westbrooks weekly injury report roller coaster) or my 3.01(but I took Rivers cuz my league scoring system heavily favors quarterbacks).

You can totally blame Bushs most recent slide on Twitter. They kept posting every time the guy iced his knee or anything.

 

[pubster77]

Tonight's news that Westbrook will be inactive for the 3rd preseason game and probably the 4th preseason game only helps solidify his late 2nd round pick.

Too many people will be scared off from taking him without the benefit of not having seen him in play in preseason.

But .... not me.

From everything I hear they are keeping him out of preseason games because they want him completely healthy for the start of the season, and that he already knows the system and doesnt have anything to prove.FWIW the guy who took Portis after me is offering me Portis and Benson for Wesbrook and McCoy

 

[pubster77]

McCoy caught 5 balls today. Maybe McCoys numbers could approach Westbrooks if Westbrook is out. Both ways im happy =)

 

[Darko M]

I have trouble drafting guys that haven't played in the pre season..it seems like it never goes well for them in the regular season.

 

[pubster77]

In the last 3 years Brian Westbrook has had a total of 30 preseason carries.

If he plays next week and rushes 10 times then hes hit his average