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We've cut the cable (2 Viewers)
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
Of encrypted data. Just a bunch of mixed up 1s and 0s originating from several different servers in foreign countries.
The NSA might have technology to sort that out, but, the cable companies absolutely don't.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
The metadata of encrypted packets is not encrypted. If it was, the router wouldn't know where to route the packet. The logs record the metadata of what it did with packets, and are evidence that the viewer downloaded packets from the source of stolen content. Only the contents of the packet are encrypted.Of encrypted data. Just a bunch of mixed up 1s and 0s originating from several different servers in foreign countries.
The NSA might have technology to sort that out, but, the cable companies absolutely don't.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
I don't think it's encrypted at all without a vpn, tor, or another tunnel. But, who cares when there hasn't been anyone prosecuted or even ISP notification, that I'm aware of, by the MPAA or IRAA for watching a stream? Because the MPAA and IRAA doesn't know what the ISPs might know, and your ISP works for you. That's why no case law and not illegal. The copyright law needs to be tested before it becomes illegal and if it hasn't happened yet I don't see it happening.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Again, I never said watching stolen content is illegal.
ETA: most people don't understand the need for a VPN. When a person banks online they know it's safe because https uses encryption. What they send to the bank and what the bank sends to the user is encrypted, but the headers the routers use are not encrypted. they can't in order to be routed. A VPN however creates an encrypted tunnel between two sources. There is no routing between the two sources. Thus the headers of the packets can be encrypted too. If you aren't using a VPN, then the headers are logged on every router the data (encrypted or otherwise) passes through. The reason Kodi users use VPNs is because they don't want to let the internet know the header data. See: How to use Kodi safely
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I know, your claim is that you briefly take possession if tiny packets of 1s and 0s arranged in just the perfect order that it matches something that is copyrighted. That's another good reason why streaming will never make it through courts, imo.
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
mquinnjr
Footballguy
I know/think streaming copyrighted content without downloading is, we'll say, not illegal right now. With that said, I'm kind of shocked the content providers aren't all over getting the laws up to speed on this. Basically right now we can say, I don't possess it, so I didn't break a law watching a 1080p copy of a movie currently offered on PPV via a cable/other media provider tonight. For argument's sake, I also consumed a copyright protected movie for $0 that through normal commercial distribution costs $6 a viewing. I didn't break a law, technically. I'm enjoying this window of bliss until they put the clamps down on streaming copyrighted materials. I can't imagine it's not coming.
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I agree, but, have i hard time seeing how it comes to fruition. My guess on the future is the money is made in other ways than pay for view. You know kind of like tv before VHS and cable. One of the channels I enjoy most is PBS. And really it probably won't kill us to loose a few of the 100 crap channels we have
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This debate has been going on since LighteningUK, reverse engineered the DVD player. (I have no idea why making a mix tape on cassette used to be ok?) Consider this thought experiment:
Some people are so musically talented that when they hear a song they can play it themselves. Is that copyright infringement if they do it in the privacy of their own home? (Obviously it would be if they put on a concert and started charging people)
If I have a photographic memory and I write down a written work is that copyright infringement?
Consider that I have such exceptional brain power that when I see a movie I can arrange 1s and 0s on my computer to reproduce that movie on my computer monitor. Would that be copywriting infringement?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
You did, right here, you even called it evidence:
You can't have it both ways.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Possession of stolen content is illegal. While the viewer doesn't posses the stolen content anymore, the logs are evidence that they downloaded stolen content.
Otis
Footballguy
Got my HD antenna set up for my whole house, and it was awesomely easy. My house had already been wired with Coax throughout, all into a central hub/splitter in the basement. We have unoccupied bedrooms on the third floor -- I got a decent powered HD antenna of Amazon and plugged it in in that room facing a window in the direction of NYC (about 30 miles away); got a COAX tester to figure out which COAX end in the basement goes to that room; plugged that in as the input into a new powered 8 way splitter; plug the other rooms throughout the house into that splitter. Boom, I'm getting a crapload of channels over the HDTV with perfect reception.
Today ordered a Tablo and 2TB hard drive; going to plug that all into the basement as well, and stream live TV with DVR to the whole house. The 2 TB hard drive is probably overkill, as we aren't DVRing all that much on live TV, but hell, with all these random old movie and show channels, I may just DVR up a bunch of random old movies and programs and have those ready to rock anytime, and won't ever have to delete anything. Probably will do the lifetime subscription to the Tablo guide as well, so I'll never have to pay a cent for that.
With this I should be able to cut back my Sling subscription some, have to look at that.
F Verizon
Today ordered a Tablo and 2TB hard drive; going to plug that all into the basement as well, and stream live TV with DVR to the whole house. The 2 TB hard drive is probably overkill, as we aren't DVRing all that much on live TV, but hell, with all these random old movie and show channels, I may just DVR up a bunch of random old movies and programs and have those ready to rock anytime, and won't ever have to delete anything. Probably will do the lifetime subscription to the Tablo guide as well, so I'll never have to pay a cent for that.
With this I should be able to cut back my Sling subscription some, have to look at that.
F Verizon
Politician Spock
Footballguy
The only reason I have a PS VUE subscription is to get the local Fox Sports channels and ESPN. If it weren't for that, my antenna, my DVR and Netflix subscription is more than enough content to keep my family of five happy.Got my HD antenna set up for my whole house, and it was awesomely easy. My house had already been wired with Coax throughout, all into a central hub/splitter in the basement. We have unoccupied bedrooms on the third floor -- I got a decent powered HD antenna of Amazon and plugged it in in that room facing a window in the direction of NYC (about 30 miles away); got a COAX tester to figure out which COAX end in the basement goes to that room; plugged that in as the input into a new powered 8 way splitter; plug the other rooms throughout the house into that splitter. Boom, I'm getting a crapload of channels over the HDTV with perfect reception.
Today ordered a Tablo and 2TB hard drive; going to plug that all into the basement as well, and stream live TV with DVR to the whole house. The 2 TB hard drive is probably overkill, as we aren't DVRing all that much on live TV, but hell, with all these random old movie and show channels, I may just DVR up a bunch of random old movies and programs and have those ready to rock anytime, and won't ever have to delete anything. Probably will do the lifetime subscription to the Tablo guide as well, so I'll never have to pay a cent for that.
With this I should be able to cut back my Sling subscription some, have to look at that.
F Verizon
Politician Spock
Footballguy
If it was just me in the house, I would have gone with Tablo over Tivo. I'm an IT engineer, and am willing to put up with technology behaving finicky.
But because I have a wife and three kids, and didn't want to hear the #####ing when Tablo acts flakey, I went with Tivo instead. Using Tivo is more solid than any DVR supplied by any cable or satellite company. It just works. And works well. But that's why it costs more than Tablo.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
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lumpy19
Footballguy
Took me about a month but I'm cable free. Signed up for the 34.99 psvue package. Need to figure out how to integrate my TiVo network with this.
Otis
Footballguy
Tablo coming together pretty sweet. Getting tons of channels, and the guide is pretty great. Bought the lifetime guide subscription and the other night couldn't sleep, so I went through the guide and started taping all sorts of crap. With 2TB it'll take forever to fill it up, and already taping every 80s and 90s show I ever liked (A-Team, Airwolf, Alf, on and on), some game shows, and some random movies that appear on the free movie channels. Pretty awesome, I'll have a repository of all sorts of free content recorded and ready to serve up in glorious HD anytime.Got my HD antenna set up for my whole house, and it was awesomely easy. My house had already been wired with Coax throughout, all into a central hub/splitter in the basement. We have unoccupied bedrooms on the third floor -- I got a decent powered HD antenna of Amazon and plugged it in in that room facing a window in the direction of NYC (about 30 miles away); got a COAX tester to figure out which COAX end in the basement goes to that room; plugged that in as the input into a new powered 8 way splitter; plug the other rooms throughout the house into that splitter. Boom, I'm getting a crapload of channels over the HDTV with perfect reception.
Today ordered a Tablo and 2TB hard drive; going to plug that all into the basement as well, and stream live TV with DVR to the whole house. The 2 TB hard drive is probably overkill, as we aren't DVRing all that much on live TV, but hell, with all these random old movie and show channels, I may just DVR up a bunch of random old movies and programs and have those ready to rock anytime, and won't ever have to delete anything. Probably will do the lifetime subscription to the Tablo guide as well, so I'll never have to pay a cent for that.
With this I should be able to cut back my Sling subscription some, have to look at that.
F Verizon
And we can tape The Bachelor
lumpy19
Footballguy
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
They were going to run Cat 5... why the cat 6 and what's the good for anyway in the wifi era?
Does the OTA antenna (and which one do I need) need to run to some sort of centralized hub to send the signal everywhere?
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John Kreese
Footballguy
The answer to the first question is simply for speed. The cost difference between cat5 and 6 is small so why not get the fastest possible run (with less crosstalk)?
Put your address in here http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29 to get a better idea of what type of antenna you'd need (and what channels are in range).
As for needing a "hub" it depends on what you are looking to do. If you want to have dvr etc then yes you'd need something like the Tablo that was being discussed here. Otherwise you'd just be running coax to each TV.
lumpy19
Footballguy
When I built I ran coax and cat5e to every room and it was well worth it. All the cable runs feed to one corner of the basement and I can essentially run the entertainment for the house from that single corner. It's nice having everything in one spot.
The antenna I wouldn't worry about until the house is done but think about the easiest spot to locate it(if outside) and have all your cable go to that part of the house. My antenna is located over the corner where all my cable runs go, I bring the antenna line into that corner of my basement and then split it to feed the whole house.
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matttyl
Footballguy
I hope you mean CAT5e and not CAT5. Anyway CAT6 is just the newest standard and not that much more than CAT5e - can run faster and such. Honestly, either would likely be fine - but considering it's going behind walls and such, it may be a few decent extra dollars spent for future proofing.
It's good because wired is typically much faster, and is far more stable than wifi. Lots of stuff can affect a wifi signal (glass, metal, distance, water, baby monitor, microwave, neighbors wifi, and maybe stuff that we don't even know about yet). In this particular thread we're talking about streaming HD stuff a lot - and wifi might not be able to do that (especially cheaply). If you're talking about streaming stuff in 4k, which in a few years may be the norm - wired will be far better than wifi, you'll be happy you did it. A good rule of thumb is 2 hard lines from every room back to a central location - same with the coax (go with RG6 or even RG6 quad there). At my last house I ran a total of 4 lines (2 cat5e and two coax rg6) to each bedroom, potential office, living room, and even to a location outside for potential future expansion (which never occurred, but that the current owners could do). All in it was only a few hundred in supplies. Also, in large rooms you might want to run a total of 8 lines - 4 each to 2 locations.
Run all cables back to a central hub - this is the one I used at my last house. This should also be the location where any wires from outside your house come (like from Comcast or the phone company or whatever). This is where any splitters and such would go, but I wouldn't recommend a router or anything there - the metal may interfere with the signal - so I ran a short cat5e cable from a switch inside the box outside of the box where I put the router high up on a shelf for best signal. That way the wifi router only did wifi stuff - all wired communications were handled by a different device.
Yes, run the OTA antenna line back to this hub as well, then split it off to whatever coax lines there go to TVs. Don't split that more than you have to, though. If you only have 3 TVs in the house, don't get an 8 way splitter as it will degrade the signal the more it's split. The antenna you get (and where you install it) will depend on where you live and what channels you're trying to pick up. You live in DC for instance, any antenna will do. You live 80 miles away and trying to get that signal - you'll need a hell of an antenna mounted outside your house and as high as possible.
lumpy19
Footballguy
Also a little trick, my builder used cat5e for phone lines and phone lines were much cheaper to run than data lines(which used the same cable) so I opted for phone lines to every room to save a few bucks. I know @Dentist is a guy who likes to save money so something to question your builder on.
Depending on where you put your router it might be handy to have a network cable run to the other end of the house. That way you can add a WAP for cheap if you aren't getting strong wifi at the far end of the house. Strategic locating a couple of these and you most likely can cover your entire property inside and out with strong wifi.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
Thanks, I live in a pretty metropolitan area (kansas city) and my home is about 15-20 miles at most from the city center... do i need the most premium one there or is that overkill?
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
are you paying for the Tablo subscription service?Got my HD antenna set up for my whole house, and it was awesomely easy. My house had already been wired with Coax throughout, all into a central hub/splitter in the basement. We have unoccupied bedrooms on the third floor -- I got a decent powered HD antenna of Amazon and plugged it in in that room facing a window in the direction of NYC (about 30 miles away); got a COAX tester to figure out which COAX end in the basement goes to that room; plugged that in as the input into a new powered 8 way splitter; plug the other rooms throughout the house into that splitter. Boom, I'm getting a crapload of channels over the HDTV with perfect reception.
Today ordered a Tablo and 2TB hard drive; going to plug that all into the basement as well, and stream live TV with DVR to the whole house. The 2 TB hard drive is probably overkill, as we aren't DVRing all that much on live TV, but hell, with all these random old movie and show channels, I may just DVR up a bunch of random old movies and programs and have those ready to rock anytime, and won't ever have to delete anything. Probably will do the lifetime subscription to the Tablo guide as well, so I'll never have to pay a cent for that.
With this I should be able to cut back my Sling subscription some, have to look at that.
F Verizon
Is there not storage space on the tablo? you have to hook an external hard drive to it?
matttyl
Footballguy
Likely overkill. If you go to http://www.antennaweb.org/ you can put in your address and it will tell you where the towers are relative to your place (distance and direction) - and will give you ideas of which antenna you'll need to buy to pick up those signals.
matttyl
Footballguy
FYI, Tablo just released a new engine and usb tuner. Not my area of expertise tho.
ETA: I meant to quote Spock when he was talking about Tivo vs. Tablo. Obviously clicked the wrong one.
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
If you are running coax to every room in the house and want to share one antenna that will be split to service every room, then the premium one is NOT overkill. Every split weakens the signal, and so does every inch of cable the signal has to travel.Dentist said:
Late to this thread. We ditched awhile ago and have been streaming via Chromecast, which works fine. Did not think about using the COAX throughout the house to hook up antenna for over the air. Right now I just have an antenna immediately near TV and the wife hates it. How do you figure out if / where all the COAX are connected? Ultimately, was hoping to just put an antenna in the attic.
Otis
Footballguy
I bought the lifetime subscription for the guide. I just don't want any more monthly bills, and the cool thing is that no matter what happens in life, I'll always have that free HDTV service and all the programs I record off it...Dentist said:
You have to plug an external hard drive into it. I bought a 2TB. Will take me forever to fill it up.
