What 5 NFL players would you take (1 Viewer)

[TheDirtyWord]

Vick - Say what you will, but he makes plays and wins games

LT2 - A versatile stud

Gallery - His rookie year was very underrated. He will be Jonathan Ogden within 2 years

Peppers - Freak of nature who simply terrorizes

E. Reed - Premiere playmaker in the NFL on the defensive side of the ball

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

QB: RoethlisbergerDE: PeppersWR: MossS: Ed ReedRB: Tomlinson

 

[Phlash]

I could build a team off this group:Tom Brady - Controls the game when he's "on"Jonathan Ogden - Brady is deadly when given time in the pocketRandy Moss - # 84 is unstoppable, and Brady with a real no. 1 target is one scary QBRichard Seymour - Control your opponents LOS, make them attempt bad throws to...Ed Reed - ...your secondary, giving your playmaker a chance to force a turnover.That team would be stacked

 

[Thorpe]

Ogden has had like 1 bad game in his 9 year career.

Aaron Schobel killed Ogden when the Bills played the Ravens this year.I'd go with the no defense team as well. 1. Culpepper2. Owens3. Moss4. Moulds5. TomlinsonI have no offensive linemen, so I don't want Manning. I want Culpepper who can throw and run. I don't know how anyone can cover those three WRs, and if some team does figure out a way, then give the ball to LT and let them deal with that.

 

[meabeln]

A constant discussion between my friends and I is just this...."Who is your #1 pick if you were building a franchise"-but we have not talked about top 5, so this should be very interesting....First I will pick 5 with out regard to age...#1 Simeon Rice#2 Julius Peppers#3 Ray Lewis#4 Ed Reed #5 Ladanian TomlinsonWith Rice and Peppers i would have a great pass rush, which takes pressure of my secondary, with Lewis and Reed i would have a great playmaker a LB and at DB. My defense would top notch. We would play very agressive, I would tell my CBs to take the risk and go for the pick, and my S's for the knock out blow. DL would pin their ears back and try to bury the QB every play, and the line backers would let Ray coach them on the field, and on Off we would have LT2, 3 yds and a cloud of dust. My team the Qb is not the most important, take a Trent Dilfer, he wont win the game for you, but he wont lose it for you either. Solid Ground Game, Dominating Defense!If age and mattered, which it does in real life I would pick....#1 Hines Ward#2 Ladanian Tomlinson#3 Bryant McKinney#4 Robery Gallery#5 Torry HoltWard = best blocking WR in gameLT2=one of the best, if not the best RB in the gameMcKinney at (LT) and Gallery at (RT) would anchor my line for the next 8-10 yearsHolt has put up 1300+ yds the last 4 seasons, so he is a nice speedy WR to have.and all these people are TEAM PLAYERS!these off players should be able to control the clock, and wear down the defense. -Mitchell E Abeln-

 

[pizzatyme]

All Time. ManningBarry SandersJerry RiceMr. ButkusLawrence TaylorToday:Manning- Only no-brainer on my boardHarrison- THE Best WR to match with ManningLT2- Just younger and able to do a bit more than EdgeA. Gates- Dominating with the other O players mentionedC. MacCallister- Only true shutdown corner I see today

 

[Native]

1) Peyton Manning2) Ed Reed3) Walter Jones4) Julius Peppers5) Roy Williams

 

[Native]

All time1) Deacon Jones2) Lawrence Taylor3) Bo Jackson4) Jerry Rice5) Peyton Manning

 

[Jason Wood]

I am absolutely STUNNED by how many people have Ed Reed in their top 5. While difficult to quantify, I would bet that the vast majority of NFL personnel executives (meaning 90%+) wouldn't give a second thought to making a safety, regardless of how talented, one of their five cornerstone picks.

There's a reason why NFL safeties are drafted later than most positions on the whole, it's a position where dominance is very much predicated on the scheme and supporting cast.

I'm a huge Ed Reed fan honestly I am, but no safety deserves to be one of the main cornerstones of the NFL when you have the entire league roster to choose from.

Franchise tackles, defensive ends and quarterbacks are absolutely the most difficult positions to scout, develop and land great ones. Those are the glamour positions and there's a reason why people continuously overpay for them in free agency and draft them in droves very highly (thus creating more busts than at other positions).

To whoever said it was easy to find a good defensive tackle, I would ask you to look at the list of first round tackles that have gone (and gone very high) http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/dt.html and tell me it's neither a position GMs covet nor a position that's easy to get correct.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Jumping on late here, but assuming 2 things:

1) We're talking current age (not in their primes) AND

2) Salary cap rules don't apply?

If that's the case:

Walter Jones, LT

Robert Gallery, RT
Peyton Manning, QB
Julius Peppers, DE
Richard Seymour, DE/DT

I like this list a lot. The only thing is you aren't giving much regard to the middle of the o-line which a lot of teams have been trending to lately. Defenses are learning to take advantage of the weaknesses up the middle which is why I went with a LT/LG/C combo.

If I were to pick a skill position player, I'd still take Moss over Manning because he's made a lot of 3rd rate QBs look good behind a stellar offensive line with lack of a credible #2 or running game at times. It's questionable as to whether Manning made Harrison look good all these years or vice versa. I have no doubt Moss could make any QB not named Brunell in the league look good. I doubt Manning could make Todd Pinkston look good.

 

[Gatorman]

AS an owner:1) Vick2) Ogden / walter jones / tait3) Owens4) Tomlinson5) FreeneyAs a knowledgeable GM: same team but sub manning for vick.Vick puts more fannies in the seats, even if it is a bad team.

 

[Black&Gold]

Bailey-Got to have a shut down CBRoethlisberger-My young leaderMcKinney-Stud OTGallery-Other stud OTRandle El-Maybe my homer pick but this guy saves 2 roster spots. He is a great 2nd or 3rd WR, kick/punt returner, and 3rd QB rolled into one.

 

[Jason Wood]

Interesting side note to this conversation.This morning on the Mike & Mike Show, Greeny and Golic were having a debate over which NFL player you would choose to start an NFL franchise. The rules were you could select ONE player from the current league rosters (so chronological age mattered).Shortly thereafter, Chris Mortensen was on to do his weekly schtick and they posed the question to him. Apparently Greeny had picked Vick and Golic had picked Manning, and went on to explain that it's a good thing Greeny isn't an NFL personnel man because there aren't many out there who would choose Vick over Manning or a host of other players. Greeny thought Golic was out of his mind.Getting back to Mortensen...Mort said he has these conversations with GMs all the time and without question, the VAST majority of personnel men would pick Peyton Manning, in a landslide. Greeny was stunned, and then asked if it's fair to say Vick would be the 2nd choice. Mort basically sounded like a teacher lecturing a pupil in explaining to Greeny that as good as Vick is, he wouldn't figure in the conversation. Most GMs pick Manning, and then are torn between the likes of McNabb, Brady, Culpepper and a few other non QB players.Mort said that while most NFL personnel people drool over Vick's obvious physical skills, there is widespread doubt now about whether he'll ever be a high percentage passer and virtually no one feels comfortable betting on what Vick is going to bring to the table in five years given his style. The day Vick can't run a 4.3 anymore is a day that big, fat new contract is going to look awfully sketchy in ATL.Just thought this was an interesting discourse to share.

 

[JAA]

Re Vick: If you can put up a good enough team around him, I can understand why a NFL franchise would want him. Vick is exciting, electric, and SELLS.If you can still win with that

 

[JAA]

Champ BailyCris McCallisterEd ReedAntonio GatesLaDanian Tomlinson

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am absolutely STUNNED by how many people have Ed Reed in their top 5. While difficult to quantify, I would bet that the vast majority of NFL personnel executives (meaning 90%+) wouldn't give a second thought to making a safety, regardless of how talented, one of their five cornerstone picks.

You're right Jason, and I was one of those guys who selected Reed. I selected my top 5 like Manning is my first pick, so then I wouldn't take another QB because I already have one on MY team. Then a RB, then after I have one I don't need another one, same with Moss at WR. Does that make any sense?

 

[Jason Wood]

I am absolutely STUNNED by how many people have Ed Reed in their top 5. While difficult to quantify, I would bet that the vast majority of NFL personnel executives (meaning 90%+) wouldn't give a second thought to making a safety, regardless of how talented, one of their five cornerstone picks.

You're right Jason, and I was one of those guys who selected Reed. I selected my top 5 like Manning is my first pick, so then I wouldn't take another QB because I already have one on MY team. Then a RB, then after I have one I don't need another one, same with Moss at WR. Does that make any sense?

That doesn't begin to explain how SAFETY sits at (or higher than) fifth on your roster needs.

 

[JAA]

I am absolutely STUNNED by how many people have Ed Reed in their top 5. While difficult to quantify, I would bet that the vast majority of NFL personnel executives (meaning 90%+) wouldn't give a second thought to making a safety, regardless of how talented, one of their five cornerstone picks.

You're right Jason, and I was one of those guys who selected Reed. I selected my top 5 like Manning is my first pick, so then I wouldn't take another QB because I already have one on MY team. Then a RB, then after I have one I don't need another one, same with Moss at WR. Does that make any sense?

That doesn't begin to explain how SAFETY sits at (or higher than) fifth on your roster needs.

Ed Reed isnt just a safety, he blocks punts and fieldgoals, creates turovers and scores from anywhere on the field.

 

[Jason Wood]

I am absolutely STUNNED by how many people have Ed Reed in their top 5. While difficult to quantify, I would bet that the vast majority of NFL personnel executives (meaning 90%+) wouldn't give a second thought to making a safety, regardless of how talented, one of their five cornerstone picks.

You're right Jason, and I was one of those guys who selected Reed. I selected my top 5 like Manning is my first pick, so then I wouldn't take another QB because I already have one on MY team. Then a RB, then after I have one I don't need another one, same with Moss at WR. Does that make any sense?

That doesn't begin to explain how SAFETY sits at (or higher than) fifth on your roster needs.

Ed Reed isnt just a safety, he blocks punts and fieldgoals, creates turovers and scores from anywhere on the field.

That he is...but I have to believe if we ask this question a year from now (or a year earlier), Ed Reed's name isn't on ONE list. More to the point, a safety isn't on one singular list. Again, I'm a HUGE Ed Reed fan and think he's an amazing player, but honestly I think Reed's selection here is entirely causal to his being in the headlines for winning Defensive Player of the Year this season.

 

[djcolts]

I put Reed in at #5. I really had trouble with the #5 pick, to be honest. I couldn't think of a dominant young LT (I don't think Gallery is that guy). I couldn't think off a young WR that is sure to be a dominant player. I thought hard about Freeney, even with picking Peppers and Seymour. Most of the stud LBs are older - so I skipped that position. I don't think there is a shutdown corner right now in the NFL.So - I put the guy that makes the most plays - even though he's a safety. Probably was a reach on my part. I probably should have said Freeney - even though that would make 2 Colts and 3 DE/DLs on my team.

 

[Jason Wood]

I put Reed in at #5. I really had trouble with the #5 pick, to be honest. I couldn't think of a dominant young LT (I don't think Gallery is that guy). I couldn't think off a young WR that is sure to be a dominant player. I thought hard about Freeney, even with picking Peppers and Seymour. Most of the stud LBs are older - so I skipped that position. I don't think there is a shutdown corner right now in the NFL.So - I put the guy that makes the most plays - even though he's a safety. Probably was a reach on my part. I probably should have said Freeney - even though that would make 2 Colts and 3 DE/DLs on my team.

The pick I struggled with most was my selection of Gallery. But youth and potential played a role there, on second thought I could have just as easily opted for Jordan Gross in Carolina. I think you could reasonably move any elite level LT over to RT, although some may disagree.I definitely wanted bookend tackles and a franchise QB. The other two picks were going to be defense. I almost went with a CB and a DL instead of two DLs, but ultimately I agree that there's no CB in the league right now that I think is worth the money they're paid at the elite level.

 

[JAA]

I am absolutely STUNNED by how many people have Ed Reed in their top 5. While difficult to quantify, I would bet that the vast majority of NFL personnel executives (meaning 90%+) wouldn't give a second thought to making a safety, regardless of how talented, one of their five cornerstone picks.

You're right Jason, and I was one of those guys who selected Reed. I selected my top 5 like Manning is my first pick, so then I wouldn't take another QB because I already have one on MY team. Then a RB, then after I have one I don't need another one, same with Moss at WR. Does that make any sense?

That doesn't begin to explain how SAFETY sits at (or higher than) fifth on your roster needs.

Ed Reed isnt just a safety, he blocks punts and fieldgoals, creates turovers and scores from anywhere on the field.

That he is...but I have to believe if we ask this question a year from now (or a year earlier), Ed Reed's name isn't on ONE list. More to the point, a safety isn't on one singular list. Again, I'm a HUGE Ed Reed fan and think he's an amazing player, but honestly I think Reed's selection here is entirely causal to his being in the headlines for winning Defensive Player of the Year this season.

Personally, I chose Reed based on a VBD perspective. I dont see any safety being in his class. Given that dropoff, I think it would be better to have more skill players on defense over Manning. If you want to think about it like that, I chose Ed Reed over Peyton Manning.The reason being, name the last big name QB who won a Super Bowl. I would argue that I dont need Peyton himself to win a Super Bowl. In fact, I think I could develop a QB like Brady was.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am absolutely STUNNED by how many people have Ed Reed in their top 5. While difficult to quantify, I would bet that the vast majority of NFL personnel executives (meaning 90%+) wouldn't give a second thought to making a safety, regardless of how talented, one of their five cornerstone picks.

You're right Jason, and I was one of those guys who selected Reed. I selected my top 5 like Manning is my first pick, so then I wouldn't take another QB because I already have one on MY team. Then a RB, then after I have one I don't need another one, same with Moss at WR. Does that make any sense?

That doesn't begin to explain how SAFETY sits at (or higher than) fifth on your roster needs.

Then you should think about the problems the Detroit Lions have and then think of why the NFL gave the most valuable defensive award to a safety or think about the best defensive player the 49ers ever had (arguably one of the best teams ever).The safety should be the smartest player on your defense, he is your quarterback. If you don't think that should be addressed on your team, that's certainly your opinion. Outside of QB, I'm all about defense. IMO, Rb's are a dime a dozen.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

AS an owner:1) Vick2) Ogden / walter jones / tait3) Owens4) Tomlinson5) FreeneyAs a knowledgeable GM: same team but sub manning for vick.Vick puts more fannies in the seats, even if it is a bad team.

Didn't you do well in that Smackoff thing, what happened? You didn't win do well by choosing things like Vick 1 overall.yeah, i got your argument about filling up seats, but if that's all that's important, why not just have naked cheerleaders doing cheers for the teams.Mike vick is crap, you'll see this weekend.

 

[jurb26]

If this is starting a Franchise, age must be a concern right?LT Bryant MckinnieRT Mike WilliamsDE PeppersCB BaileyCB TruffantGimme a few Stud Tackles and the O just falls into place. Gimme a few shut down CBs (OK well maybe not, but as close as there is right now) and the best pass rusher in the game and the D becomes wide open as far as scheme and play calling. Can you say blitzing freenzy!

 

[Arm Chair Express]

Being from Michigan I would want to put an exciting team on the field to make the fans happy, so heres mine.Peyton ManningLTTOC. JohnsonJ. Peppers - need one defensive guy to build around.I went with Johnson instead of Moss because although talented, he could be a locker room cancer with his poor attitude. I think it would be fun watching TO and Chad trying to out do each others td dances and with Manning throwing the ball there would be a lot of them.

 

[rhawkins68]

AS an owner:1) Vick2) Ogden / walter jones / tait3) Owens4) Tomlinson5) FreeneyAs a knowledgeable GM: same team but sub manning for vick.Vick puts more fannies in the seats, even if it is a bad team.

Didn't you do well in that Smackoff thing, what happened? You didn't win do well by choosing things like Vick 1 overall.yeah, i got your argument about filling up seats, but if that's all that's important, why not just have naked cheerleaders doing cheers for the teams.Mike vick is crap, you'll see this weekend.

In 2003 the Falcons were basement dwellers with Vick as the starter in 2002 and going into 2003. Forbes generally does a report on Franchise value that is based off of revenue multiples.

 

[jurb26]

TOC. JohnsonI went with Johnson instead of Moss because although talented, he could be a locker room cancer with his poor attitude. I think it would be fun watching TO and Chad trying to out do each others td dances and with Manning throwing the ball there would be a lot of them.

The only difference between TO/Johnson and Moss is that Moss is more talented. All 3 guys are in the same boat as far as personality and leadership. In other words all 3 are individuals. If your gonna take 2 guys like that anyways, you may as well take the MOST TALENTED one of all. Right?n I guess I'm finding it hard to justify how you leave off Moss because he is a cancer and put TO and Johnson on. TO has done far more in his career to prove he is a cancer and Johnson is not far behind. Are you sure that recent events are not skewing your results here? I mean think back to only a year ago and revisit what TO did in SF. It is WAY worse IMO than what Moss has done thus far.

 

[Jason Wood]

If this is starting a Franchise, age must be a concern right?LT Bryant MckinnieRT Mike WilliamsDE PeppersCB BaileyCB TruffantGimme a few Stud Tackles and the O just falls into place. Gimme a few shut down CBs (OK well maybe not, but as close as there is right now) and the best pass rusher in the game and the D becomes wide open as far as scheme and play calling. Can you say blitzing freenzy!

Hey jurb...curious to see Trufant's name in your list. Assuming you're opting for youth over choices like McAllister, Woodson, Surtain, Smoot, Bailey, Winfield, Law, etc...why Trufant? Lito Sheppard made the Pro Bowl and is as young. Trufant helped his team to a 23rd ranking pass defense rating while Sheppard was the primary cover corner for a much better pass defense.I guess if I were making a list of corners, Marcus Trufant's name wouldn't appear until page 2...what do you see in him that I don't?

 

[meabeln]

With all this debate and the huge amount of replys.....

Why not settle it once and for all....

Lets get 32 FBGs and draft a la Madden Fantasty Draft.

I will do my best to organize it if there are enough people interested.

RULES:

1) Snake Draft

2) Players Salary Counts, I will have to get a list of player salaries and post them, should not be hard, just take a while.

3) In the end we can set up a poll, for all FBGs to vote on and really see who set up the best FRANCHISE for NOW and the FUTURE.

TEAMS/ FBG

AFC WEST

San Diego

Denver---------------meabeln

Kansas City

Oakland

AFC NORTH

Pittsburgh

Baltimore

Cinncinati

Clevland

AFC SOUTH

Indy

Jacksonville

Houston

Tennesse

AFC EAST

New England

New York Jets

Buffalo

Miami

NFC WEST

Seattle

St. Louis

Arizona

San Fran

NFC NORTH

Green Bay

Minnesota

Detriot

Chicago

NFC SOUTH

Atlanta

New Orleans

Carolina

Tampa Bay

NFC EAST

Phily

Washington

Dallas

New York Giants

Just post a message if you want to take over a team.

We will try to start once all teams have been filled.

Unfortunately I have lots of class today, so i will not be back online until 3pm PAC

but i would think it would take at least that long, if not longer to fill the spots, so if there turns out to be a lot of interest in this, great, Ill be back around 3pm PAC.

 

[jurb26]

If this is starting a Franchise, age must be a concern right?LT Bryant MckinnieRT Mike WilliamsDE PeppersCB BaileyCB TruffantGimme a few Stud Tackles and the O just falls into place.  Gimme a few shut down CBs (OK well maybe not, but as close as there is right now) and the best pass rusher in the game and the D becomes wide open as far as scheme and play calling.  Can you say blitzing freenzy!

Hey jurb...curious to see Trufant's name in your list. Assuming you're opting for youth over choices like McAllister, Woodson, Surtain, Smoot, Bailey, Winfield, Law, etc...why Trufant? Lito Sheppard made the Pro Bowl and is as young. Trufant helped his team to a 23rd ranking pass defense rating while Sheppard was the primary cover corner for a much better pass defense.I guess if I were making a list of corners, Marcus Trufant's name wouldn't appear until page 2...what do you see in him that I don't?

Well your right Jason, youth was the primary factor there. Yes many of the guys you listed are better players right now. Trufant however is extremly talented and was the rave of many in the league only a year ago (his rookie year). He regressed a bit this year and I think that mainly has to do with the new rules enforcement. He is an aggressive cover CB who likes to use his athleticism and that was clearly impeaded this year. I still think he will turn into one of the best CBs in the league rather soon though. Once he adapts that is. I would want the youth though if I were starting a Franchise and the decision really came down to him or Robinson. In the long run, I see Trufant as the better player though. As for Leto, I like him as well, but think he lacks the amount of versatility and athleticism that these 2 guys have. He would be a good choice as well though. I think that these would be better options for the D I would choose to run as well. One that leaves CBs singled up a good bit and at the LOS nearly every play, thus freeing up the blitz or at least the look of it. Lets not forget that this guy will only have to cover the opposing teams #2 for at least 4 years with Champ on one side. I think that should give him long enough to reach his full potential.

 

[jurb26]

With all this debate and the huge amount of replys.....

Why not settle it once and for all....

Lets get 32 FBGs and draft a la Madden Fantasty Draft.

I will do my best to organize it if there are enough people interested.

RULES:

1) Snake Draft

2) Players Salary Counts, I will have to get a list of player salaries and post them, should not be hard, just take a while.

3) In the end we can set up a poll, for all FBGs to vote on and really see who set up the best FRANCHISE for NOW and the FUTURE.

TEAMS/ FBG

AFC WEST

San Diego

Denver---------------meabeln

Kansas City

Oakland

AFC NORTH

Pittsburgh

Baltimore

Cinncinati

Clevland

AFC SOUTH

Indy

Jacksonville

Houston

Tennesse

AFC EAST

New England

New York Jets

Buffalo

Miami

NFC WEST

Seattle

St. Louis

Arizona

San Fran

NFC NORTH

Green Bay

Minnesota

Detriot

Chicago

NFC SOUTH

Atlanta

New Orleans

Carolina

Tampa Bay

NFC EAST

Phily

Washington

Dallas

New York Giants

Just post a message if you want to take over a team.

We will try to start once all teams have been filled.

Unfortunately I have lots of class today, so i will not be back online until 3pm PAC

but i would think it would take at least that long, if not longer to fill the spots, so if there turns out to be a lot of interest in this, great, Ill be back around 3pm PAC.

I'd be interested if you can get some sort of list with players salaries together. Broken down by position and including age would be nice. Seems like it would take a VERRRRRY long time to complete though. Not sure I'm up for that kind of commitment right now.

 

[EBF]

Peyton ManningRandy MossChad JohnsonLaDainian TomlinsonJulius PeppersManning, Moss, and Tomlinson are the best at their positions. Johnson is a good pick because his style would work well with Moss and Manning. Peppers was chosen because elite pass-rushing DEs are hard to come by in the draft. I like Peppers more than Freeney.

 

[Jason Wood]

With all this debate and the huge amount of replys.....

Why not settle it once and for all....

Lets get 32 FBGs and draft a la Madden Fantasty Draft.

I will do my best to organize it if there are enough people interested.

RULES:

1) Snake Draft

2) Players Salary Counts, I will have to get a list of player salaries and post them, should not be hard, just take a while.

3) In the end we can set up a poll, for all FBGs to vote on and really see who set up the best FRANCHISE for NOW and the FUTURE.

TEAMS/ FBG

AFC WEST

San Diego

Denver---------------meabeln

Kansas City

Oakland

AFC NORTH

Pittsburgh

Baltimore

Cinncinati

Clevland

AFC SOUTH

Indy

Jacksonville

Houston

Tennesse

AFC EAST

New England

New York Jets

Buffalo

Miami

NFC WEST

Seattle

St. Louis

Arizona

San Fran

NFC NORTH

Green Bay

Minnesota

Detriot

Chicago

NFC SOUTH

Atlanta

New Orleans

Carolina

Tampa Bay

NFC EAST

Phily

Washington

Dallas

New York Giants

Just post a message if you want to take over a team.

We will try to start once all teams have been filled.

Unfortunately I have lots of class today, so i will not be back online until 3pm PAC

but i would think it would take at least that long, if not longer to fill the spots, so if there turns out to be a lot of interest in this, great, Ill be back around 3pm PAC.

I'd be interested if you can get some sort of list with players salaries together. Broken down by position and including age would be nice. Seems like it would take a VERRRRRY long time to complete though. Not sure I'm up for that kind of commitment right now.

If you all really intend to do this draft using a faux NFL salary cap, it's going to be difficult to get the appropriate numbers. There is no public data that I'm aware of for annual salaries that also includes the pro rate share of a player's bonus. Without pro rata bonus numbers, it's silly to bother with salary as a criteria at all.

 

[jurb26]

I'm surprised that so many people are ignoring the D side of the ball in this. IMO, Shut down CBs are the the best way to start any team. 2nd would be Stud Ts and Stud Dlinemen. Controling the LOS is the most important thing in the NFL. Shut down CBs allow you to stack the box create confusion and blitz like crazy. Leading to chaos for the opposing Oline. Dlinemen who can do it by themsleves it are just as good (but not as fun IMO). Stud Tackles allow Os freedom you just can't get by having to leave TEs and RBs in for passs protection help. A franchise QB may be next in line IMO, but RBs and good WRs are a dime a dozen in the NFL today. Yeah maybe you don't get the Freakish Moss, but with a solid D and 7 seconds to throw iven the Kennison's and Pinkstons of teh league can get open (well maybe thats taking it a bit far).Come to think of it though, I don't know how you don't take Moss. The guy occupies 2-3 defenders on every play!

 

[JimboJim]

Daunte CulpepperAndre JohnsonJulius PeppersKevin WilliamsNate Clements

 

[meabeln]

Yeah i Guess Salary would be hard to take into account with bonous and the like, and now that i think about it, it would be hard to exceed the cap if we were all drafting from square one, because all the top players that also have huge contracts would be taken early and spread out evenly. -SO yeha, ive seen that like 3-4 people in total have responed to my draft idea, so we need a lot more before we can get started-

 

[Double_J]

1.Ladanian Tomlinson2.Randy Moss3.Julius Peppers4.Lavar Arrington5.Robert GalleryCan't win without a defense and you can't run an offense without a line. With LT and Moss, would the QB really matter much?

 

[houndirish]

I'm shooting for the long haul here ...in no particular order ...DE Julius PeppersOT Jordan GrossCB Chris McAlisterQB Eli ManningDT Kevin WilliamsI realize I'm still subjecting myself to a learning curve with Eli but I'm confident he'll be a top flight starter in the league. I may not make the playoffs next season but I'll be a force to be reckoned with after that. That also allows me a year to shore up the RB slot which shouldn't be tough to get production from if I've got a good line and a solid QB.On defense I've assured myself three things ... I've got a pass rush, I've got a shutdown corner and I've got a playmaker up the gut. My defense is ready to perform now and will remain solid for the next 5 years. My offense will benefit from field position and turnovers which allows me to be a bit more patient in developing that side of the ball.

 

[Space Ghost]

P. ManningJ. PeppersD. FreeneyC. BaileyC. WoodsonWith amazing DEs I give opposing QBs no time to pass and with Bailey and Woodson at CB I can always put 8 in the box to stop the run with even average DTs, LBs, and safeties. With a great QB like Manning the offense can be good enough to win games even with below average surrounding talent because of my shutdown defense.

 

[houndirish]

P. ManningJ. PeppersD. FreeneyC. BaileyC. WoodsonWith amazing DEs I give opposing QBs no time to pass and with Bailey and Woodson at CB I can always put 8 in the box to stop the run with even average DTs, LBs, and safeties. With a great QB like Manning the offense can be good enough to win games even with below average surrounding talent because of my shutdown defense.

I like how you think but don't forget ... you've got to protect your own QB too.Woodson's a bit of a risk to me. I'd take Mcalister or even one of the young guy's like Dunta Robinson.

 

[Mr.Happy]

Yeah i Guess Salary would be hard to take into account with bonous and the like, and now that i think about it, it would be hard to exceed the cap if we were all drafting from square one, because all the top players that also have huge contracts would be taken early and spread out evenly.

-SO yeha, ive seen that like 3-4 people in total have responed to my draft idea, so we need a lot more before we can get started-

I might be interested.Alright, as a Pats fan, you see up close what it takes to create a championship caliber team. You want flexible players, guys who are easy to coach, and guys who are talented.

1. QB Culpepper. Only 10 INT this year, and all that playing with a horrid defense. Culpepper has NEVER had a top 10 defense on his side, and is, IMO, an all world QB. He has never had the coaching and defenses that Brady has had, and I believe he was on the Patriots, he would be a 3 time MVP candidate. I say flexible because Culpepper is mobile, strong, and accurate. Culpepper is also a very good leader and is passionate about the game. He also is big bodied and will be resistant to injury and probably has a 10 year shelf life on him. A no-brainer pick IMO.

2. RB Ladanian Tomlinson. Again we go back to the flexible thought process. He can block, is an outstanding receiver, a team player, a hard worker, and obviously a tremendous rusher. As a coach, the combo of LT2 and Culpepper lets me scheme more, create new plays, and keep the opposing defense on their heels guessing what will happen next. Also great for smash mouth football, killing clock, and putting teams away. LT2 projects to be effective for the next 5-7 years.

3. CB Champ Bailey Flexibility again. He can play CB and WR. He is not just a name, but a great player. The Raiders game trouble was a product of the system, and during the Colts blow out of the donkeys, he shut down HOFer Marvin Harrison all day long. He will also be called on to be a receiver for my team in 3rd downs situations. He projects to be effective for the next 5-7 years.

4. DL Vince Wilfork The best kept secret in the NFL. His rookie season has been very good and he has shown strong progress. Known for his pass rushing skills in college, Wilfork also happens to weigh in at 330 pounds. No pass rusher should be able to be that big and still pass rush, but Wilfork can. He wasn't called "Baby Sapp" for nothing. Can play DE , DT, and NT. Also a high character guy who lost his parents and grew up quick. Top shelf run stuffer and projects to be a top shelf pass rusher. 10 year career ahead.

5. Vilma This guy was voted D rookie of the year for the Jets and DESERVED IT! Ray Lewis body, rocket speed, will probably end up with a career between Zack Thomas and Lewis. Can play ILB, or OLB and is a big play-maker. Catalyst for Jets defensive turnaround.

1. Culpepper

2. LT2

3. Champ Bailey

4. Vince Wilfork

5. Vilma

Safety is an easy position to fill, as is OL and TE. WR is a little tougher, but look around the league. With the new rules, even guys like Stokely, Burleson, McCarins, and such are throwing up huge numbers. TE is easier as guys like Wiggins, Fauria, and such can be found among the drudges. OL is tough, but the correct coach can turn almost any OL into a very good player with Denver and NE being examples.

 

[bostonfred]

Tom Brady

Marvin Harrison

Reggie Wayne

Dallas Clark

Edgerrin James

Now that would be an unstoppable offense.

In all seriousness, Brady would make my list. Between age, salary, and talent, I'd want a stud defensive backfield, a stud DE/DT and a QB who can carry the offense on his own without stud receivers, stud O linemen or stud WRs.

Champ Bailey

Lito Sheppard

Dunta Robinson

Richard Seymour

Tom Brady

 

[jurb26]

Yeah i Guess Salary would be hard to take into account with bonous and the like, and now that i think about it, it would be hard to exceed the cap if we were all drafting from square one, because all the top players that also have huge contracts would be taken early and spread out evenly.

-SO yeha, ive seen that like 3-4 people in total have responed to my draft idea, so we need a lot more before we can get started-

I might be interested.Alright, as a Pats fan, you see up close what it takes to create a championship caliber team. You want flexible players, guys who are easy to coach, and guys who are talented.

1. QB Culpepper. Only 10 INT this year, and all that playing with a horrid defense. Culpepper has NEVER had a top 10 defense on his side, and is, IMO, an all world QB. He has never had the coaching and defenses that Brady has had, and I believe he was on the Patriots, he would be a 3 time MVP candidate. I say flexible because Culpepper is mobile, strong, and accurate. Culpepper is also a very good leader and is passionate about the game. He also is big bodied and will be resistant to injury and probably has a 10 year shelf life on him. A no-brainer pick IMO.

2. RB Ladanian Tomlinson. Again we go back to the flexible thought process. He can block, is an outstanding receiver, a team player, a hard worker, and obviously a tremendous rusher. As a coach, the combo of LT2 and Culpepper lets me scheme more, create new plays, and keep the opposing defense on their heels guessing what will happen next. Also great for smash mouth football, killing clock, and putting teams away. LT2 projects to be effective for the next 5-7 years.

3. CB Champ Bailey Flexibility again. He can play CB and WR. He is not just a name, but a great player. The Raiders game trouble was a product of the system, and during the Colts blow out of the donkeys, he shut down HOFer Marvin Harrison all day long. He will also be called on to be a receiver for my team in 3rd downs situations. He projects to be effective for the next 5-7 years.

4. DL Vince Wilfork The best kept secret in the NFL. His rookie season has been very good and he has shown strong progress. Known for his pass rushing skills in college, Wilfork also happens to weigh in at 330 pounds. No pass rusher should be able to be that big and still pass rush, but Wilfork can. He wasn't called "Baby Sapp" for nothing. Can play DE , DT, and NT. Also a high character guy who lost his parents and grew up quick. Top shelf run stuffer and projects to be a top shelf pass rusher. 10 year career ahead.

5. Vilma This guy was voted D rookie of the year for the Jets and DESERVED IT! Ray Lewis body, rocket speed, will probably end up with a career between Zack Thomas and Lewis. Can play ILB, or OLB and is a big play-maker. Catalyst for Jets defensive turnaround.

1. Culpepper

2. LT2

3. Champ Bailey

4. Vince Wilfork

5. Vilma

Safety is an easy position to fill, as is OL and TE. WR is a little tougher, but look around the league. With the new rules, even guys like Stokely, Burleson, McCarins, and such are throwing up huge numbers. TE is easier as guys like Wiggins, Fauria, and such can be found among the drudges. OL is tough, but the correct coach can turn almost any OL into a very good player with Denver and NE being examples.

May I suggest replacing LT with a very versitle Olinemen who is both young and talented. I think someone like Fanica would do nicley. Has always been an Allpro G, but showed last year he can paly T rather well too. That is of course if its versitility your after. Otherwise, a rock such as McKinnie is always nice to have.

 

[jurb26]

Champ BaileyLito Sheppard Dunta RobinsonRichard SeymourTom Brady

3 CBs... I like the way you think! I am however curious how you pick 3 CBs and not pick up a guy like Taylor to strike fear into the hearts of any who dare cross the middle of the field? Seems any team who was smart would simple not go three wide vs that D and probably use TEs an awfull lot.

 

[Black&Gold]

With all this debate and the huge amount of replys.....Why not settle it once and for all....Lets get 32 FBGs and draft a la Madden Fantasty Draft. I will do my best to organize it if there are enough people interested.RULES:1) Snake Draft2) Players Salary Counts, I will have to get a list of player salaries and post them, should not be hard, just take a while.3) In the end we can set up a poll, for all FBGs to vote on and really see who set up the best FRANCHISE for NOW and the FUTURE. TEAMS/ FBGAFC WESTSan DiegoDenver---------------meabelnKansas CityOaklandAFC NORTHPittsburghBaltimoreCinncinatiClevlandAFC SOUTHIndyJacksonvilleHoustonTennesseAFC EASTNew EnglandNew York JetsBuffaloMiamiNFC WESTSeattleSt. LouisArizona San FranNFC NORTHGreen BayMinnesotaDetriotChicagoNFC SOUTHAtlantaNew OrleansCarolinaTampa BayNFC EASTPhilyWashingtonDallasNew York GiantsJust post a message if you want to take over a team. We will try to start once all teams have been filled.Unfortunately I have lots of class today, so i will not be back online until 3pm PACbut i would think it would take at least that long, if not longer to fill the spots, so if there turns out to be a lot of interest in this, great, Ill be back around 3pm PAC. This post has been edited by meabeln on Jan 12 2005, 01:14 PM

That would be cool. Of course, I'd want Pittsburgh.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

1) Peyton Manning (QB)2) Robert Gallery (Tackle)3) Steve Hutchison (Guard)4) Terrell Suggs (OLB)5) Sean Taylor (S)I want a young team if I am starting a franchise and build around that for years to come. I will build my team with the O line and give Manning all day. A mediocre RB can come into this core and be a production of the offense.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I got SEATTLE!!!!

 

[harrycarey]

Hmmm.....1. Peyton Manning2. Walter Jones3. Julius Peppers4. Kevin Williams5. Ladanian TomlinsonI thought about an interior olineman, but they seemed to be close in ability and I couldn't decide on one.

 

[bostonfred]

Champ BaileyLito Sheppard Dunta RobinsonRichard SeymourTom Brady

3 CBs... I like the way you think! I am however curious how you pick 3 CBs and not pick up a guy like Taylor to strike fear into the hearts of any who dare cross the middle of the field? Seems any team who was smart would simple not go three wide vs that D and probably use TEs an awfull lot.

Bailey can cover a TE, so unless a team went goalline offense the whole way, all three corners would be on the field. Seymour can tie up two offensive linemen and still make plays off the edge or from the tackle position, which will improve the rest of the players on D. And the fact that there will always be a top corner covering your top three wideouts means 1) that you are relatively injury proof and 2) that you can keep 8 in the box more often and get away with it. A top safety would be nice, but I'm looking for a team full of players that can make a team full of nothing but average NFL players at other positions better. An average safety and Dunta would be better than Reed and an average nickel corner, IMO. Brady's ideal because he's already shown he can work with marginal talent at RB, WR, TE and OL and still lead the league in TDs.