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What a well reffed Super Bowl (1 Viewer)
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((Morpheus))
Footballguy
even the bradshaw recovery was spot on in my opinion.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Not a whine or excuse, as the play ended up having no impact, but...
The Toomer pushoff was the one non-call that had me talking to the TV. Shown in slow-mo, it was a pretty blatant offensive PI. But, since they got the pick a few plays later, it didn't have any impact.
As disappointed as I am with the outcome, I'm very happy to have the game decided on the field by the players. Well done by the officials.
The Toomer pushoff was the one non-call that had me talking to the TV. Shown in slow-mo, it was a pretty blatant offensive PI. But, since they got the pick a few plays later, it didn't have any impact.
As disappointed as I am with the outcome, I'm very happy to have the game decided on the field by the players. Well done by the officials.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Agreed - there were a couple of ticky-tack type calls that I'm so used to seeing a flag thrown (I remember a couple plays where players got hit in the helmet for example) but he didn't make those calls - he let the players decide it on the field. Hope he works a few more SBs
perry147
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Mike Carey IS a good ref. His games always tend to go smoothly -- without a lot of those annoying 3-minute midfield ref "conferences" that slow the game down.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Now that you mentioned it I do remember those 2 plays. Even the announcers didnt mention the face mask so maybe I just "mis saw" it.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Extremely well called game. I like Mike Carey. I didn't know it was his first Super Bowl.
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GregR_2
Footballguy
We were wondering how the announcers could have missed it. Even the Pats fan in attendance was laughing that it didn't get called when we rewound it and watched it a second time. Here's a youtube of it. http://youtube.com/watch?v=jsVEbvjlkzQ
nyftbl_giants
Footballguy
even the bradshaw recovery was spot on in my opinion.
Dont worry, pitchers and catchers arent that far away from reporting.
GregR_2
Footballguy
Agreed, at first I thought it was a bad call, as I thought the Pat had possession which means he'd have been down by contact before any wrestling could take place.But the last view of it they showed, you could see Bradshaw got his arm in there before the defender grabbed it. Good eyes by the officials to realize it was still alive.One note as an aside on that. I've always wondered why coaches don't challenge those scrums when it looks clear that a player had the ball cradled before everyone piled on and pulled it away. But in answering someone's question about the wording of the replay rule for the 12 men on the field, I noticed that recovery of a loose ball in the field of play is specifically listed as something that cannot be reviewed.even the bradshaw recovery was spot on in my opinion.
Actually, I noticed a couple calls, but I think the fact that they didn't really mean anything might be why the complaints are very few. The first one I thought was bad was the long pass to Toomer early in the game. There was a ref right behind the play and it was a pretty obvious offensive PI on the replay. He shoved the CB back with a hand to the face to create separation. Eli threw an INT a couple plays later so it didn't matter.
The other one, which was awful was the measurements with about a minute and a half left. They basically gave the Giants 2 two timeouts. I also still don't get why they put time back on the clock to 1:28. Then on the play after that I hit rewind and counted from when the whistle blew to start the clock (clock didn't run) to when Manning got tackled and it was a way more than 8 seconds. Coughlin came out onto the field well after Eli recovered his own fumble to call the timeout. I still don't get how in the world that one play took only 8 seconds. You can run off 8 seconds on an imcomplete pass, let alone a QB dropping back, scrambling out and getting tackled. That said, the Giants still had more than enough time to score, but in this case without the play stoppage and free timeouts, it is conceivable that they would have had to spike the ball and the play calls might have been different.
I think there was some other minor calls, but for the most part I think they did a good job and the major misses probably didn't affect the outcome.
The other one, which was awful was the measurements with about a minute and a half left. They basically gave the Giants 2 two timeouts. I also still don't get why they put time back on the clock to 1:28. Then on the play after that I hit rewind and counted from when the whistle blew to start the clock (clock didn't run) to when Manning got tackled and it was a way more than 8 seconds. Coughlin came out onto the field well after Eli recovered his own fumble to call the timeout. I still don't get how in the world that one play took only 8 seconds. You can run off 8 seconds on an imcomplete pass, let alone a QB dropping back, scrambling out and getting tackled. That said, the Giants still had more than enough time to score, but in this case without the play stoppage and free timeouts, it is conceivable that they would have had to spike the ball and the play calls might have been different.
I think there was some other minor calls, but for the most part I think they did a good job and the major misses probably didn't affect the outcome.
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GregR_2
Footballguy
The ref is required by rule to stop the clock when making a measurement. What is awful about it?
((Morpheus))
Footballguy
and i've got season tickets to the c's...even the bradshaw recovery was spot on in my opinion.
Dont worry, pitchers and catchers arent that far away from reporting.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Not just a really well officiated game, but a very CLEAN game by two teams who have been accused of playing dirty this season. I didn't see any noticible "extracurricular" stuff going on. Really a minimum of the pushing and shoving after the plays, no pig-piles after the whistle, etc... Just two very physical teams keeping it between the lines.
I love defensive football. Last night was a joy to watch.
I love defensive football. Last night was a joy to watch.
JaxBill
Footballguy
I thought there were a few blatant calls they didn't call. Aside from those already mentioned, I'd like to add Plaxico getting grabbed around the shoulder pads and turned around on the last play of the first half. I also saw a couple offensive holds on passing downs that I thought were pretty clear.
But they were very consistent, which is the only thing you can ask for.
But they were very consistent, which is the only thing you can ask for.
Buckfast
Footballguy
I noticed one very bad spot on the first Patriot drive with 1:25 left in the First Quarter where Faulk caught a pass on 2nd and 8 and was tripped up by R.W. McQuarters and clearly fell a yard short of the first down, but bounced forward another few yards before being jumped on by 2 Giants defensive backs.
The linesman appeared to spot the ball at the point where the other DBs jumped on Faulk, rather than where he first hit the ground after being tripped up by McQuarters, as if he had thought that Faulk had dove forward rather than being tripped. It probably should have been 3rd and 1, but the Patriots were awarded a first down.
A very minor complaint, but it at least kept alive the Patriots' scoring drive without forcing them to convert a 3rd and short. Overall though, I thought it was very well officiated.
The linesman appeared to spot the ball at the point where the other DBs jumped on Faulk, rather than where he first hit the ground after being tripped up by McQuarters, as if he had thought that Faulk had dove forward rather than being tripped. It probably should have been 3rd and 1, but the Patriots were awarded a first down.
A very minor complaint, but it at least kept alive the Patriots' scoring drive without forcing them to convert a 3rd and short. Overall though, I thought it was very well officiated.
switz
Footballguy
Are you kidding? That was an excellently called game. Unlike most Patriot games where some ghost call turns the game around, there was nothing called that I was like "what" about, nor anything missed that I was insisting should have been called.
twitch
Footballguy
now that Ive got you on ignore, I like you so much more. Im only glad I could bring a smile to your face.
videoguy505
Footballguy
First black head ref in a SB as well.Great job by the whole crew, but considering the teams playing were among the 5 least-penalized teams in the NFL this season, didn't expect to see a lot of flags. As it was, no quibble with anything they did. It's not a great point to make in hindsight, of course, but you can't point to any possible mistake that ended up affecting the outcome. The plax catch, for example, ended up just delaying a fizzling drive anyway.Joe Bryant said:
I'm laughing at the OP since he's been one of the biggest Patriot backers on the board and is now all of a sudden a model citizen with all kinds of "mad props" for the team that owned his patriots. The refs did an excellent job.Are you kidding? That was an excellently called game. Unlike most Patriot games where some ghost call turns the game around, there was nothing called that I was like "what" about, nor anything missed that I was insisting should have been called.
Koya
Footballguy
I even mentioned as the game started how he was my fav referee. I don't notice many refs for good things, but he is one that is always very deliberate and clear. Even if something happens, he affords a transparancy to their thought process and seems to make very solid decisions.
The Toomer pushoff and Brady getting hit to the head as he delivered a pass, both were not called, I was surprised the hit to the head wasn't called since they call anything when you even touch a QB anywhere on his helmet...I'm also surprised nobody even mentioned that one after they replayed it on slo-mo too.Funny how everybody ripped the refs for calling a good game in the Pitt/Sea SB(the only blown call was the block by the QB on an interception) yet everyone is applauding these refs when they clearly missed a few calls...if people are going to be critical in one game then do it for every game...Having said that, I didn't see any calls in recent years that cost anyone a championship and that's nice to see, let the players decide the games and that's how it always should be.shadyridr said:
Koya
Footballguy
I did not see the Toomer push off (not saying it didnt happen). But it is possible you could find that on moss or in other instances as well.I will agree with you on the contact to the helmet on brady. Very surprised that was not called.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Johnny Grier never got his chance?
switz
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure what you think you saw didn't happen. I was at a house full of Patriot fans, not one mentioned anything about a hit to the head. The Toomer push off was a call that could have gone either way, as I've seen a lot of those go uncalled.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Most people weren't ripping those refs for calling a "good" game. It was one of the worst refereed games I've seen - and I know a few Steeler fans who were pretty happy that the refs favored them with the calls, and were asaying so openly. That's not normally a sign of good refereeing.
Koya
Footballguy
Couldnt let this slide - I heard the NFL head of refs on Mike and the Mad Dog. It was actually a really good, entertaining and enlightening interview. That said, he all but admitted that the refs screwed up big time that game. If the head of refs is saying as much as he can on the issue "not one of our best days" and when asked "after that game is that a game film you look forward to watching" and he dead pans "no, not really" then shouldnt we all admit the refs that day stunk? It doesnt change the record books.To compare in any way this game with that, when this crew did a very very good job (no game will be perfect) seems out of whack.
videoguy505
Footballguy
JG was a field judge in his only SB. Carey was the first black head referee.
Koya
Footballguy
This is true, heard them discuss it last night during pregame.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
This was the best refereed game in the playoffs without question. I thought Toomer pushed off on his catch down the left sideline, Osi (I think it was Osi) was held on a play that he would have hit Brady and Brady got the pass off and I thought the Giants kick returner was flagrantly face masked on the kick off to start the game, but outside of that everything was good. That is a FAR cray from 10-15 plays you could scream about in other games.shadyridr said:
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
OK, here is another one that I really dont like being called unless it is flagrant, but how many Giant fans were saying, "how come Steve Smith didn't catch that Hail Mary at the end of the half?" The reason was that he was being bear hugged by the NE guy and the ball went right past him. What is next, tackling allowed? Like I said pushing and shoving I am pretty good with but you can't have your arms around a guy? i didn't even bring this up, but if you are going to nit pick...
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I assume one of those was the Bradshaw recovery, and I have no idea what you're referring to on the 2nd one. As far as the Bradshaw recovery, he just flat out took it away from him. It happens all the time in a pile fighting over the ball.
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awesomeness
Guest
the only bad call i remember is the facemask pushoff Toomer did. But all in all, it was very well done.
Boston
Footballguy
It was good to see that the refs didn't have any influence. Anything they missed wasn't of the "what the hell was that" variety and each side had a few they could point to but nothing that really effected the game. Two that I thought were missed was Rodney giving an elbow/forearm to the head of a Giant WR and the Pats getting called for a false start when the Giant Dlineman came out of his stance and caused it.
