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What does the confederate flag mean to you? (1 Viewer)

Living in the suburbs of Chicago I have never seen a confederate flag flying until this past week.
Several years back, while on a family trip to Chicago, we visited the Camp Douglas Monument at Oak Woods Cemetery. It's the burial site of several thousand Confederate soldiers that died at the POW camp. We placed a few 3x5 inch South Carolina and Battle flags at the base.
 
Living in the suburbs of Chicago I have never seen a confederate flag flying until this past week.
Several years back, while on a family trip to Chicago, we visited the Camp Douglas Monument at Oak Woods Cemetery. It's the burial site of several thousand Confederate soldiers that died at the POW camp. We placed a few 3x5 inch South Carolina and Battle flags at the base.
I have an ancestor from South Carolina who was a Confederate soldier and a prisoner of war there in Illinois who had to walk home barefoot after the war ended.

 
Living in the suburbs of Chicago I have never seen a confederate flag flying until this past week.
Several years back, while on a family trip to Chicago, we visited the Camp Douglas Monument at Oak Woods Cemetery. It's the burial site of several thousand Confederate soldiers that died at the POW camp. We placed a few 3x5 inch South Carolina and Battle flags at the base.
I have an ancestor from South Carolina who was a Confederate soldier and a prisoner of war there in Illinois who had to walk home barefoot after the war ended.
Good. Lucky he had feet.

 
Example:

This complete jerkoff I know decided to walk around carrying a loaded AR15 in public, to exercise his rights. A cop drew his gun, ordered the guy onto the ground, and threatened to blow his head off while he held him down with a knee in his neck from behind. Now, I think that cop was out of line, and should be sued and probably get some training, but I endlessly ridicule the jerkoff because what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot? I don't condone police brutality, but it's funny - mostly because he's not dead.
It would still be kind of funny if he were dead.

 
General Tso said:
Henry Ford said:
Example:

This complete jerkoff I know decided to walk around carrying a loaded AR15 in public, to exercise his rights. A cop drew his gun, ordered the guy onto the ground, and threatened to blow his head off while he held him down with a knee in his neck from behind. Now, I think that cop was out of line, and should be sued and probably get some training, but I endlessly ridicule the jerkoff because what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot? I don't condone police brutality, but it's funny - mostly because he's not dead.
So is it safe to assume if we go back through the Ferguson thread we'll see all the posts where you and Tobias endlessly ridiculed Michael Brown for the same douchy behavior?
Wait, who had the AR-15? Williams or Brown?

I'm getting lost in the hypotheticals

 
Mjolnirs said:
Living in the suburbs of Chicago I have never seen a confederate flag flying until this past week.
Several years back, while on a family trip to Chicago, we visited the Camp Douglas Monument at Oak Woods Cemetery. It's the burial site of several thousand Confederate soldiers that died at the POW camp. We placed a few 3x5 inch South Carolina and Battle flags at the base.
You're such a racist!

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Todd Andrews said:
Mjolnirs said:
Living in the suburbs of Chicago I have never seen a confederate flag flying until this past week.
Several years back, while on a family trip to Chicago, we visited the Camp Douglas Monument at Oak Woods Cemetery. It's the burial site of several thousand Confederate soldiers that died at the POW camp. We placed a few 3x5 inch South Carolina and Battle flags at the base.
I have an ancestor from South Carolina who was a Confederate soldier and a prisoner of war there in Illinois who had to walk home barefoot after the war ended.
Good. Lucky he had feet.
Not much feet left by the time he got back to South Carolina.

 
Finally, they got that show, Dukes of Hazzard, off the air. The fact that it shows such hate and the attitude of horrible, horrible people makes me so mad. :hot:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to watching some Hogan's Heroes reruns.

 
Finally, they got that show, Dukes of Hazzard, off the air. The fact that it shows such hate and the attitude of horrible, horrible people makes me so mad. :hot:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to watching some Hogan's Heroes reruns.
now we are sanitizing old TV shows? :wall:

Enjoy Hogan's Heroes you Nazi loving bastid.. I'm going to burn my copy of Tom Sawyer before I get arrested!

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Todd Andrews said:
Mjolnirs said:
Living in the suburbs of Chicago I have never seen a confederate flag flying until this past week.
Several years back, while on a family trip to Chicago, we visited the Camp Douglas Monument at Oak Woods Cemetery. It's the burial site of several thousand Confederate soldiers that died at the POW camp. We placed a few 3x5 inch South Carolina and Battle flags at the base.
I have an ancestor from South Carolina who was a Confederate soldier and a prisoner of war there in Illinois who had to walk home barefoot after the war ended.
Good. Lucky he had feet.
Not much feet left by the time he got back to South Carolina.
Maybe he shouldn't have fought against his country to protect the states rights to treat one race of people like cattle.
 
Todd Andrews said:
Mjolnirs said:
Living in the suburbs of Chicago I have never seen a confederate flag flying until this past week.
Several years back, while on a family trip to Chicago, we visited the Camp Douglas Monument at Oak Woods Cemetery. It's the burial site of several thousand Confederate soldiers that died at the POW camp. We placed a few 3x5 inch South Carolina and Battle flags at the base.
I have an ancestor from South Carolina who was a Confederate soldier and a prisoner of war there in Illinois who had to walk home barefoot after the war ended.
What prevented him from putting something on his feet? What prevented him from getting a ride?

 
Finally, they got that show, Dukes of Hazzard, off the air. The fact that it shows such hate and the attitude of horrible, horrible people makes me so mad. :hot:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to watching some Hogan's Heroes reruns.
Our long national nightmare is over.

 
General Tso said:
Henry Ford said:
Example:

This complete jerkoff I know decided to walk around carrying a loaded AR15 in public, to exercise his rights. A cop drew his gun, ordered the guy onto the ground, and threatened to blow his head off while he held him down with a knee in his neck from behind. Now, I think that cop was out of line, and should be sued and probably get some training, but I endlessly ridicule the jerkoff because what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot? I don't condone police brutality, but it's funny - mostly because he's not dead.
So is it safe to assume if we go back through the Ferguson thread we'll see all the posts where you and Tobias endlessly ridiculed Michael Brown for the same douchy behavior?
Michael Brown had a loaded AR15?

Wait, no, he had a box of cigarillos or something. That seems different.

 
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At this point in history, the only two groups tearing down monuments and sanitizing history are America and ISIS.
Really? I thought someone burned 8 African American churches in the past week or so. What monuments have been torn down?

 
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Finally, they got that show, Dukes of Hazzard, off the air. The fact that it shows such hate and the attitude of horrible, horrible people makes me so mad. :hot:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to watching some Hogan's Heroes reruns.
now we are sanitizing old TV shows? :wall: Enjoy Hogan's Heroes you Nazi loving bastid.. I'm going to burn my copy of Tom Sawyer before I get arrested!
First they came for the cartoons...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D93Awa434

 
At this point in history, the only two groups tearing down monuments and sanitizing history are America and ISIS.
Really? I thought someone burned 8 African American churches in the past week or so. What monuments have been torn down?
And for that matter what history has been sanitized?

And does he really think the only people doing this sort of thing are America and Isis? Pretty much every former Eastern bloc country removed a ton of communist-era monuments and statues and changed their flags after the collapse of communism in eastern Europe. That's what people do when they move past a part of their history they realize should not be celebrated. It just appears to be taking the American South 150 years more than it takes everyone else on planet earth.

 
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Officer Pete Malloy said:
Todd Andrews said:
Mjolnirs said:
Living in the suburbs of Chicago I have never seen a confederate flag flying until this past week.
Several years back, while on a family trip to Chicago, we visited the Camp Douglas Monument at Oak Woods Cemetery. It's the burial site of several thousand Confederate soldiers that died at the POW camp. We placed a few 3x5 inch South Carolina and Battle flags at the base.
I have an ancestor from South Carolina who was a Confederate soldier and a prisoner of war there in Illinois who had to walk home barefoot after the war ended.
Good. Lucky he had feet.
Not much feet left by the time he got back to South Carolina.
Maybe he shouldn't have fought against his country to protect the states rights to treat one race of people like cattle.
Exactly

 
At this point in history, the only two groups tearing down monuments and sanitizing history are America and ISIS.
Really? I thought someone burned 8 African American churches in the past week or so. What monuments have been torn down?
And for that matter what history has been sanitized?

And does he really think the only people doing this sort of thing are America and Isis? Pretty much every former Eastern bloc country removed a ton of communist-era monuments and statues and changed their flags after the collapse of communism in eastern Europe. That's what people do when they move past a part of their history they realize should not be celebrated. It just appears to be taking the American South 150 years more than it takes everyone else on planet earth.
I was in Germany last year and didn't see a single statue commemorating Adolf Hitler's valiant leadership. It's so sad the way they've sanitized their history.

 
At this point in history, the only two groups tearing down monuments and sanitizing history are America and ISIS.
Really? I thought someone burned 8 African American churches in the past week or so. What monuments have been torn down?
And for that matter what history has been sanitized?

And does he really think the only people doing this sort of thing are America and Isis? Pretty much every former Eastern bloc country removed a ton of communist-era monuments and statues and changed their flags after the collapse of communism in eastern Europe. That's what people do when they move past a part of their history they realize should not be celebrated. It just appears to be taking the American South 150 years more than it takes everyone else on planet earth.
This is all true, and yet comparing the Duke brothers to a bust of Josef Stalin is an analogy that gives me pause.
 
At this point in history, the only two groups tearing down monuments and sanitizing history are America and ISIS.
Really? I thought someone burned 8 African American churches in the past week or so. What monuments have been torn down?
And for that matter what history has been sanitized?

And does he really think the only people doing this sort of thing are America and Isis? Pretty much every former Eastern bloc country removed a ton of communist-era monuments and statues and changed their flags after the collapse of communism in eastern Europe. That's what people do when they move past a part of their history they realize should not be celebrated. It just appears to be taking the American South 150 years more than it takes everyone else on planet earth.
This is all true, and yet comparing the Duke brothers to a bust of Josef Stalin is an analogy that gives me pause.
I agree that they're not as bad as Stalin, but they've been in trouble with the law since the day they were born.

 
At this point in history, the only two groups tearing down monuments and sanitizing history are America and ISIS.
Really? I thought someone burned 8 African American churches in the past week or so. What monuments have been torn down?
And for that matter what history has been sanitized?

And does he really think the only people doing this sort of thing are America and Isis? Pretty much every former Eastern bloc country removed a ton of communist-era monuments and statues and changed their flags after the collapse of communism in eastern Europe. That's what people do when they move past a part of their history they realize should not be celebrated. It just appears to be taking the American South 150 years more than it takes everyone else on planet earth.
This is all true, and yet comparing the Duke brothers to a bust of Josef Stalin is an analogy that gives me pause.
I agree that they're not as bad as Stalin, but they've been in trouble with the law since the day they were born.
lolz

 
At this point in history, the only two groups tearing down monuments and sanitizing history are America and ISIS.
Really? I thought someone burned 8 African American churches in the past week or so. What monuments have been torn down?
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/birmingham-starts-confederate-monument-removal-process-article-1.2277840
So, still none, right?

Edit: The horror! Birmingham has decided to let its lawyers look into the possibility of moving a statue. Sharia Law has been proclaimed! Allahu Akbar!

 
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Todd Andrews said:
Mjolnirs said:
Living in the suburbs of Chicago I have never seen a confederate flag flying until this past week.
Several years back, while on a family trip to Chicago, we visited the Camp Douglas Monument at Oak Woods Cemetery. It's the burial site of several thousand Confederate soldiers that died at the POW camp. We placed a few 3x5 inch South Carolina and Battle flags at the base.
I have an ancestor from South Carolina who was a Confederate soldier and a prisoner of war there in Illinois who had to walk home barefoot after the war ended.
What prevented him from putting something on his feet? What prevented him from getting a ride?
I imagine he did put something on his feet at some point. But the family story is he was released barefoot and then walked home. We dont know many of the details of the journey itself. And hitchhiking was tougher back then.

 
General Tso said:
Henry Ford said:
Example:

This complete jerkoff I know decided to walk around carrying a loaded AR15 in public, to exercise his rights. A cop drew his gun, ordered the guy onto the ground, and threatened to blow his head off while he held him down with a knee in his neck from behind. Now, I think that cop was out of line, and should be sued and probably get some training, but I endlessly ridicule the jerkoff because what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot? I don't condone police brutality, but it's funny - mostly because he's not dead.
So is it safe to assume if we go back through the Ferguson thread we'll see all the posts where you and Tobias endlessly ridiculed Michael Brown for the same douchy behavior?
Michael Brown had a loaded AR15?

Wait, no, he had a box of cigarillos or something. That seems different.
:lmao:

Oh, sorry about that. I thought you were alluding to the broader theoretical construct that people acting like d-bags (ie – confederate flag waiving guy) are free to do so under the law, but not free from ensuing public ridicule and scorn. Your use of the word “EXAMPLE” kind of implied linkage to an overarching theme.

So if I piece together your logic, it looks something like this… You think it’s ok to “endlessly ridicule” someone who carries an AR15 in public to make a Constitutional point (and if we are talking Texas the act itself is probably legal – at least it’s debatable); and that it’s also ok to ridicule a person’s legal right to waive a confederate flag at an anti-flag rally; but you personally won’t ridicule Michael Brown for robbing a store, assaulting an old man, attacking a police man, grabbing his gun, and resisting arrest? I just find it comical that you would apply the phrase “what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot?” to the AR15 guy and not Michael Brown. You should probably just acknowledge that tdoss was right about the Liberals in here. You take hypocritical stances that vary from case to case depending upon the color of the person involved.

 
At this point in history, the only two groups tearing down monuments and sanitizing history are America and ISIS.
Really? I thought someone burned 8 African American churches in the past week or so. What monuments have been torn down?
And for that matter what history has been sanitized?

And does he really think the only people doing this sort of thing are America and Isis? Pretty much every former Eastern bloc country removed a ton of communist-era monuments and statues and changed their flags after the collapse of communism in eastern Europe. That's what people do when they move past a part of their history they realize should not be celebrated. It just appears to be taking the American South 150 years more than it takes everyone else on planet earth.
This is all true, and yet comparing the Duke brothers to a bust of Josef Stalin is an analogy that gives me pause.
I agree that they're not as bad as Stalin, but they've been in trouble with the law since the day they were born.
It beats all I ever saw.

 
Have they banned Lynyrd Skynyrd music yet?
Lynyrd Skynyrd stopped using the confederate flag three years ago.

When a bunch of over the hill rock stars born and raised in pre-Civil Rights Act Alabama think you're behind the times, you're probably behind the times.
Actually mostly Florida for the original band, and the current members with ties to the original band. The rest of the current members are from all over, but none from Alabama.

 
Todd Andrews said:
Mjolnirs said:
Living in the suburbs of Chicago I have never seen a confederate flag flying until this past week.
Several years back, while on a family trip to Chicago, we visited the Camp Douglas Monument at Oak Woods Cemetery. It's the burial site of several thousand Confederate soldiers that died at the POW camp. We placed a few 3x5 inch South Carolina and Battle flags at the base.
I have an ancestor from South Carolina who was a Confederate soldier and a prisoner of war there in Illinois who had to walk home barefoot after the war ended.
What prevented him from putting something on his feet? What prevented him from getting a ride?
I imagine he did put something on his feet at some point. But the family story is he was released barefoot and then walked home. We dont know many of the details of the journey itself. And hitchhiking was tougher back then.
Well then, I guess he didn't have to do so, rather he chose to do so.

 
General Tso said:
Henry Ford said:
Example:

This complete jerkoff I know decided to walk around carrying a loaded AR15 in public, to exercise his rights. A cop drew his gun, ordered the guy onto the ground, and threatened to blow his head off while he held him down with a knee in his neck from behind. Now, I think that cop was out of line, and should be sued and probably get some training, but I endlessly ridicule the jerkoff because what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot? I don't condone police brutality, but it's funny - mostly because he's not dead.
So is it safe to assume if we go back through the Ferguson thread we'll see all the posts where you and Tobias endlessly ridiculed Michael Brown for the same douchy behavior?
Michael Brown had a loaded AR15?

Wait, no, he had a box of cigarillos or something. That seems different.
:lmao:

Oh, sorry about that. I thought you were alluding to the broader theoretical construct that people acting like d-bags (ie – confederate flag waiving guy) are free to do so under the law, but not free from ensuing public ridicule and scorn. Your use of the word “EXAMPLE” kind of implied linkage to an overarching theme.

So if I piece together your logic, it looks something like this… You think it’s ok to “endlessly ridicule” someone who carries an AR15 in public to make a Constitutional point (and if we are talking Texas the act itself is probably legal – at least it’s debatable); and that it’s also ok to ridicule a person’s legal right to waive a confederate flag at an anti-flag rally; but you personally won’t ridicule Michael Brown for robbing a store, assaulting an old man, attacking a police man, grabbing his gun, and resisting arrest? I just find it comical that you would apply the phrase “what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot?” to the AR15 guy and not Michael Brown. You should probably just acknowledge that tdoss was right about the Liberals in here. You take hypocritical stances that vary from case to case depending upon the color of the person involved.
If you're gonna pull me into your back and forth for no reason, the least you can do is make a moderately decent point to make it worth my while, instead of constructing a silly argument using your unfounded assumptions of what you think someone else would or wouldn't say about whether Michael Brown was acting like an idiot. Oh, and also completely ignoring the fact that HF wrote about his AR15-toting friend "it's funny - mostly because he's not dead." Just solid work all around.

 
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General Tso said:
Henry Ford said:
Example:

This complete jerkoff I know decided to walk around carrying a loaded AR15 in public, to exercise his rights. A cop drew his gun, ordered the guy onto the ground, and threatened to blow his head off while he held him down with a knee in his neck from behind. Now, I think that cop was out of line, and should be sued and probably get some training, but I endlessly ridicule the jerkoff because what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot? I don't condone police brutality, but it's funny - mostly because he's not dead.
So is it safe to assume if we go back through the Ferguson thread we'll see all the posts where you and Tobias endlessly ridiculed Michael Brown for the same douchy behavior?
Michael Brown had a loaded AR15?

Wait, no, he had a box of cigarillos or something. That seems different.
:lmao:

Oh, sorry about that. I thought you were alluding to the broader theoretical construct that people acting like d-bags (ie – confederate flag waiving guy) are free to do so under the law, but not free from ensuing public ridicule and scorn. Your use of the word “EXAMPLE” kind of implied linkage to an overarching theme.

So if I piece together your logic, it looks something like this… You think it’s ok to “endlessly ridicule” someone who carries an AR15 in public to make a Constitutional point (and if we are talking Texas the act itself is probably legal – at least it’s debatable); and that it’s also ok to ridicule a person’s legal right to waive a confederate flag at an anti-flag rally; but you personally won’t ridicule Michael Brown for robbing a store, assaulting an old man, attacking a police man, grabbing his gun, and resisting arrest? I just find it comical that you would apply the phrase “what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot?” to the AR15 guy and not Michael Brown. You should probably just acknowledge that tdoss was right about the Liberals in here. You take hypocritical stances that vary from case to case depending upon the color of the person involved.
If you're gonna pull me into your back and forth for no reason, the least you can do is make a moderately decent point to make it worth my while, instead of constructing an impossibly stupid argument using your unfounded assumptions of what you think someone else would or wouldn't say about whether Michael Brown was acting like an idiot. Oh, and also completely ignoring the fact that HF wrote about his AR15-toting friend "it's funny - mostly because he's not dead." Just solid work all around.
Not unfounded at all. It is founded based on my memory of his arguments in that thread and the consistent positions he has taken since then. I feel pretty comfortable going out on a limb and gambling that he didn't make any such negative comments about Michael Brown. Better yet, I invited him to go through that thread himself and let us know if he was being consistent there.

Other than Michael Brown being killed (justifiable so, according to both a State and Federal investigation), do you see any distinction between the way he invited trouble versus the way confederate flag waiving guy invited trouble?

 
General Tso said:
Henry Ford said:
Example:

This complete jerkoff I know decided to walk around carrying a loaded AR15 in public, to exercise his rights. A cop drew his gun, ordered the guy onto the ground, and threatened to blow his head off while he held him down with a knee in his neck from behind. Now, I think that cop was out of line, and should be sued and probably get some training, but I endlessly ridicule the jerkoff because what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot? I don't condone police brutality, but it's funny - mostly because he's not dead.
So is it safe to assume if we go back through the Ferguson thread we'll see all the posts where you and Tobias endlessly ridiculed Michael Brown for the same douchy behavior?
Michael Brown had a loaded AR15?

Wait, no, he had a box of cigarillos or something. That seems different.
:lmao:

Oh, sorry about that. I thought you were alluding to the broader theoretical construct that people acting like d-bags (ie – confederate flag waiving guy) are free to do so under the law, but not free from ensuing public ridicule and scorn. Your use of the word “EXAMPLE” kind of implied linkage to an overarching theme.

So if I piece together your logic, it looks something like this… You think it’s ok to “endlessly ridicule” someone who carries an AR15 in public to make a Constitutional point (and if we are talking Texas the act itself is probably legal – at least it’s debatable); and that it’s also ok to ridicule a person’s legal right to waive a confederate flag at an anti-flag rally; but you personally won’t ridicule Michael Brown for robbing a store, assaulting an old man, attacking a police man, grabbing his gun, and resisting arrest? I just find it comical that you would apply the phrase “what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot?” to the AR15 guy and not Michael Brown. You should probably just acknowledge that tdoss was right about the Liberals in here. You take hypocritical stances that vary from case to case depending upon the color of the person involved.
The first two bolded statements I said, the third I didn't. And even if I had, it's not consistent with the first two. See how "it's okay" isn't the same thing as "I personally wouldn't"? That's a false equivocation.

 
Is it treasonous for an American to leave the country and renounce his citizenship? If you believe it is, you, sir, don't believe in FREEDOM.
TREASONThis word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.

The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

 
It's also okay to make fun of Michael Brown for robbing a store, assaulting an old man, and resisting arrest. I don't think it's funny, because he's dead, but I'm not going to try to have you declared a social pariah or anything. Hell, it's okay to make fun of him for being dead, insofar as it's okay to make fun of anyone for anything. The fact that I wouldn't personally do it isn't indicative of if it's okay or not.

This is the problem I have with your general position - whether or not I personally make fun of something or someone isn't indicative of some general policy of it being legal/moral/the right thing to do for everyone to do it - or the opposite. I make fun of people who wear skinny jeans. It doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal to wear skinny jeans, it means that I think people who wear skinny jeans look like douches. And when some woman gets hospitalized for her skinny jeans, I still make fun of skinny jeans. That probably means I'm a horrible person. It doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite for not making fun of someone else who gets hospitalized for wearing dress shoes. I like dress shoes. I wear dress shoes. So actually, making fun of someone for wearing dress shoes would be the thing that would make me a hypocrite. Does that make sense?

 
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General Tso said:
Henry Ford said:
Example:

This complete jerkoff I know decided to walk around carrying a loaded AR15 in public, to exercise his rights. A cop drew his gun, ordered the guy onto the ground, and threatened to blow his head off while he held him down with a knee in his neck from behind. Now, I think that cop was out of line, and should be sued and probably get some training, but I endlessly ridicule the jerkoff because what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot? I don't condone police brutality, but it's funny - mostly because he's not dead.
So is it safe to assume if we go back through the Ferguson thread we'll see all the posts where you and Tobias endlessly ridiculed Michael Brown for the same douchy behavior?
Michael Brown had a loaded AR15?

Wait, no, he had a box of cigarillos or something. That seems different.
:lmao:

Oh, sorry about that. I thought you were alluding to the broader theoretical construct that people acting like d-bags (ie – confederate flag waiving guy) are free to do so under the law, but not free from ensuing public ridicule and scorn. Your use of the word “EXAMPLE” kind of implied linkage to an overarching theme.

So if I piece together your logic, it looks something like this… You think it’s ok to “endlessly ridicule” someone who carries an AR15 in public to make a Constitutional point (and if we are talking Texas the act itself is probably legal – at least it’s debatable); and that it’s also ok to ridicule a person’s legal right to waive a confederate flag at an anti-flag rally; but you personally won’t ridicule Michael Brown for robbing a store, assaulting an old man, attacking a police man, grabbing his gun, and resisting arrest? I just find it comical that you would apply the phrase “what the #### did you think was going to happen, you idiot?” to the AR15 guy and not Michael Brown. You should probably just acknowledge that tdoss was right about the Liberals in here. You take hypocritical stances that vary from case to case depending upon the color of the person involved.
If you're gonna pull me into your back and forth for no reason, the least you can do is make a moderately decent point to make it worth my while, instead of constructing an impossibly stupid argument using your unfounded assumptions of what you think someone else would or wouldn't say about whether Michael Brown was acting like an idiot. Oh, and also completely ignoring the fact that HF wrote about his AR15-toting friend "it's funny - mostly because he's not dead." Just solid work all around.
Not unfounded at all. It is founded based on my memory of his arguments in that thread and the consistent positions he has taken since then. I feel pretty comfortable going out on a limb and gambling that he didn't make any such negative comments about Michael Brown. Better yet, I invited him to go through that thread himself and let us know if he was being consistent there.

Other than Michael Brown being killed (justifiable so, according to both a State and Federal investigation), do you see any distinction between the way he invited trouble versus the way confederate flag waiving guy invited trouble?
Of course. They were totally different actions. But they both behaved stupidly and irresponsibly, if that's what you're asking. I'm not sure why you think I ever said anything different. Hell, I barely talked about Brown at all in that thread. Most of my posts were about the behavior of the police both in terms of their response to the riots and the media coverage and their general attitude about accountability. Then later on I posted a bunch about discrimination in law enforcement generally. And as for HF, he literally said the reason it was funny to him was because his friend didn't die. If his friend had died do you think he'd make jokes about his stupid decisions? If not, there's no inconsistency there.

I get the feeling that you have decided that every single person to your left on the political spectrum is just a "liberal" and they all think and feel the same way about every issue, and then you ascribe wildly inaccurate positions to them to justify your attitudes towards them and disagreement with them. That's basically what you did with me here, and I suppose HF as well. It's really annoying.

 
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Is it treasonous for an American to leave the country and renounce his citizenship? If you believe it is, you, sir, don't believe in FREEDOM.
TREASONThis word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.

The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The South had already seceded when hostilities began. The North could have left well enough alone. The war is on the North.

 
It's also okay to make fun of Michael Brown for robbing a store, assaulting an old man, and resisting arrest. I don't think it's funny, because he's dead, but I'm not going to try to have you declared a social pariah or anything. Hell, it's okay to make fun of him for being dead, insofar as it's okay to make fun of anyone for anything. The fact that I wouldn't personally do it isn't indicative of if it's okay or not.

This is the problem I have with your general position - whether or not I personally make fun of something or someone isn't indicative of some general policy of it being legal/moral/the right thing to do for everyone to do it - or the opposite. I make fun of people who wear skinny jeans. It doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal to wear skinny jeans, it means that I think people who wear skinny jeans look like douches. And when some woman gets hospitalized for her skinny jeans, I still make fun of skinny jeans. That probably means I'm a horrible person. It doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite for not making fun of someone else who gets hospitalized for wearing dress shoes. I like dress shoes. I wear dress shoes. So actually, making fun of someone for wearing dress shoes would be the thing that would make me a hypocrite. Does that make sense?
Fair enough Henry.
 
Is it treasonous for an American to leave the country and renounce his citizenship? If you believe it is, you, sir, don't believe in FREEDOM.
TREASONThis word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.

The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The South had already seceded when hostilities began. The North could have left well enough alone. The war is on the North.
South Carolina attacked Fort Sumter and several (4 or 5 IIRC) states joined the confederacy after that

 

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