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What does the confederate flag mean to you? (1 Viewer)
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BustedKnuckles
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So i just saw on the news that the entire Red neck confederate flag carrying crowd down south are protesting gay marriage.........They believe that marriage is a sacred act between brothers and sisters and cousins
lod01
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He just turned a $100000 car into a beater. What a moron.
Looks like there will be more confederate flags flying today at the NASCAR race then ever before. Good job stirring these people up.,
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SaintsInDome2006
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Did Bubba Watson actually have one of the Gen. Lee cars from the show?
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
This cannot be a serious post. Do people from your part of the country not know what "paint" is?
lod01
Footballguy
Yeah it's serious. He just made the car worthless. Get a clue. Anytime you deface something that has antique value, it becomes worthless. Shine up a coin, - worthless. paint a piece of antique wood - worthless, etc. It may be possible to restore it but the fact is, without the confederate flag, it is simply a beater that looks like the General Lee. Roll that thing up on stage at Barrett Jackson and you will get a few thou for it. I guarantee you won't get what he paid for it.
lod01
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lod01
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The $100000k he blew is nothing to him but it doesn't erase the fact that he's a moron.
Mr. Retukes
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So, so dumb.
Jalen Rose removed the Confederate flag from his own General Lee and also changed the "01" to "05". He sold that car for over $200K.
lod01
Footballguy
To me that thing with the word 'Longboy' on it is just another 69 Dodge Charger. It was worth more in it's original state with the flag on it. That's a fact.
So so dumb - way to overinflate the price. it went for 100k. http://www.autotrader.com/research/article/for-sale/113991/for-sale-on-autotrader-an-original-general-lee.jsp
The car had a starting price of $45,000 and when bidding ended, the eBay auction topped out at $100,000. The car is now listed on AutoTrader Classics at one dollar less than the winning eBay bid and again the proceeds are set to go to Rose's JRLA charity.
TAKE NOTE BUDDY - A different General Lee built by Schneider that was featured in made-for-TV "Dukes" reunion movies sold for $495,000 in 2008. The one at Julien’s (The description of the car says it has been signed by both Schneider and NBA-star-turned-TV-basketball-analyst Jalen Rose, who is listed as a previous owner.) had a pre-auction estimate of $200,000-$300,000, but there were no takers. It was offered with an undisclosed reserve price.
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SaintsInDome2006
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The Commish
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BigSteelThrill
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What is the source of the complaint?
They link this article... but it doesn't really show much.
http://www.startribune.com/as-long-as-we-re-discussing-flags-what-about-minnesota-s/311320071/
Oh, you leaked gateway pundit. lol
Generally oposed to taking down Memorials, and such a place is the appropriate spot for a Confederate flag (or it's depiction) to exist, but the words engraved on that particular memorial are a little bit disturbing: "They preserved the Anglo-Saxon civilization of the South"
BigSteelThrill
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Jack White
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What's moronic is replacing the symbol of one government battle flag with another and telling yourself it's an improvement.lod01 said:
IvanKaramazov
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joffer
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for this guy, the flag has something to do with gay marriage. or he's confused.
http://youtu.be/7rCgtGgy1Ps
http://youtu.be/7rCgtGgy1Ps
Bottomfeeder Sports
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Mookie
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BigSteelThrill
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That's exactly what is expected.joffer said:
Mister CIA
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All we can do is wait for people like this guy to die, and pray that his offspring have a good internet connection.joffer said:
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Fennis
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Hooper31
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I grew up in authentic redneck coal mining country (western PA). Moved to the west coast when I was 10. Its a different world. I haven't been back there in 25 years. Well, just spent a week in my old hometown. Its still the same world in many ways. I saw plenty of confederate flags, and one night I saw so many I couldn't count them. That was at the racetrack.
My wife couldn't seem to grasp that there were so many at the track. For her the confederate flag has one meaning, and that's institutionalized bigotry. Making it worse we're in a northern state. Why would so many people in the north being wanting to sport a confederate flag? I get it to a small degree. The confederate flag represents an old traditional feeling that doesn't have anything to do with race. We had them around when I was a kid and we didn't have any black folk around. When I say none, I mean NONE. There was no diversity in the small town I grew up in. 100% white anglo saxon protestant. No exceptions. This said, I think they're silly. There may be some folks clinging to some sense of good-ole-times, but the confederate flag is a symbol of institutionalized bigotry IMO.
At the racetrack last Saturday night I lost count of the bumper stickers, t-shirts, and random confederate flags all over the place. Dissappointing in some ways. Not sure how to react to all of them. I just tried to ignore it as much as I could. This said, I think the vast majority of people there didn't embrace it. Not sure. Just a hunch. Its not like I could read their minds. Perhaps just wishful thinking on my part.
Planning on hitting the races in two weeks back here in WA state. Miss my 410 sprint car action. Wondering how many of those flags I'll see here. Hoping not near as many.
My wife couldn't seem to grasp that there were so many at the track. For her the confederate flag has one meaning, and that's institutionalized bigotry. Making it worse we're in a northern state. Why would so many people in the north being wanting to sport a confederate flag? I get it to a small degree. The confederate flag represents an old traditional feeling that doesn't have anything to do with race. We had them around when I was a kid and we didn't have any black folk around. When I say none, I mean NONE. There was no diversity in the small town I grew up in. 100% white anglo saxon protestant. No exceptions. This said, I think they're silly. There may be some folks clinging to some sense of good-ole-times, but the confederate flag is a symbol of institutionalized bigotry IMO.
At the racetrack last Saturday night I lost count of the bumper stickers, t-shirts, and random confederate flags all over the place. Dissappointing in some ways. Not sure how to react to all of them. I just tried to ignore it as much as I could. This said, I think the vast majority of people there didn't embrace it. Not sure. Just a hunch. Its not like I could read their minds. Perhaps just wishful thinking on my part.
Planning on hitting the races in two weeks back here in WA state. Miss my 410 sprint car action. Wondering how many of those flags I'll see here. Hoping not near as many.
Mister CIA
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Work with me... Instead of making campaign contributions to candidates we like, maybe we could pool resources and donate Krispy Kreme vouchers to people we oppose.
Yeah?
Fennis
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Most (if not all) of the people who fly the Confederate flag profess to be most patriotic/America lovin'/military supporting people. And yet this flag that they care so deeply about was the battle flag used against our county. A Confederacy that hated America so much, they took up arms against our government and wanted to secede. That's who our most patriotic Americans want to celebrate? The cause to secede from the Union?
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Hooper31
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Depends on how you define patriotic/America lovin'/military supporting. I would guess nearly all groups define themselves in a way that makes this true.
Also, not sure why you quoted my post to make this point.
GilbertGrape
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Franknbeans
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
Nothing against you - I went back and bolded the part of your post that prompted my reply. Something I've had in my head for a while and when I read that part of your post, I decided to post it.
But yeah, I see so many ppl waving the Battle Flag of the Confederacy and then tell me how much they love America. To each their own, but those two things seem to be at odds with each other.
The Commish
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Couldn't help but think of your exchange in here with all the vandalism happening to monuments, statues, memorials etc down here. Not been much talk about those events in this thread, which is what I think your point is/was.They can cause they're also white.Well...they could if they were black too...but that's beside and exactly the point at the same time.Not sure why it's funny to make fun of a person who believes they are being mistreated regardless of their skin color, religious beliefs or gender
But seriously...they'll just split hairs again here...the operative word is "believes".
They don't believe the ones they're mocking have actually been mistreated.
It's the basic mental leap most take when turning a blind eye to misdeeds.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Obviously these people aren't thinking the flag = "slavery" or "segregation" or "institutionalized bigotry" or "the South will rise again".
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matttyl
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Just goes to show you that the flag may have had it's meaning changed from what it stood for during the Confederacy.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Anyone that's still flying that flag after all the controversy of the past few weeks is doing so with full knowledge of what it means to most black people and to the vast majority of Americans. Regardless of what their culture led them to believe it stood for, or even what it might still stand for to them, they now know what it really means to the outside world. And when you fly a flag you are, by definition, projecting something about yourself to that outside world, the one that interprets the flag as advocacy of those things you claim those who fly it are not thinking.
The defense of ignorance was always flimsy, but after the last month it's totally gone. Fly it all you want, but don't whine about people thinking you're a racist POS for doing so when you knew that's exactly what people will think when you made the decision to do it.
matttyl
Footballguy
Simply not true.
"The poll shows that 57% of Americans see the flag more as a symbol of Southern pride than as a symbol of racism, about the same as in 2000 when 59% said they viewed it as a symbol of pride."
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Fair enough. Many Americans see it differently, for now. But there's still this:
And that number can't be a surprise to anyone, not any more. Anyone who chooses to fly it in this day and age does so knowing that most black people will see that flag and think of racism, presumably of the war to protect slavery that gave rise to it and the fight to protect segregation that brought it back. You simply can't say those people "aren't thinking" those things. Everything has context, especially flags. Their whole purpose is to tell the outside world something about you based on how that world interprets the imagery. You can't fly a confederate flag knowing full well that black people see it as support for racism and then say you weren't thinking about those things. Unless you've been living under a rock for a month, of course you were. You thought about them and you made your choice.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
For some. Just understand that for many that flag still represents the hate for America it was intended for. Soldiers took up arms and rallied around that banner to kill Americans. Not everyone got the memo of the changed meaning. But that's cool. Maybe 150 years from now we'll all be waving ISIS flags. That'd be cool.
SaintsInDome2006
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That is a separate question or issue though, isn't it, what it means to others (vast majority etc.) as opposed to them (those flying the flag) or the person seeing it (here Hooper)? I was responding to Hooper's gist there.
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TobiasFunke
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Hey, let's not forget that the flag faded from public view for decades but was resurrected in opposition of integration and the civil rights movement.
Maybe that's what he's referring to when he says the flag has changed its meaning? Maybe the people who are flying it aren't saying they want to enslave black people and kill Americans who oppose their right to do so. Maybe they just don't want black people going to their schools and using their bathrooms and drinking from their water fountains!
The worst part about all of this is that the Condeferate flag is actually pretty cool in design. The swastika was also used to be a good luck symbol before some Adolf guy used it, and ruined it for everyone.
But for those who keep claiming that it's about heritage and not hate, why are you directly associating with a failed rebellion? As of 2015, almost twice the amount of time has passed between the end of the Civil War and now than had passed from the American Revolution to the start of the war.
But for those who keep claiming that it's about heritage and not hate, why are you directly associating with a failed rebellion? As of 2015, almost twice the amount of time has passed between the end of the Civil War and now than had passed from the American Revolution to the start of the war.
Godsbrother
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This is odd. I live in Western PA and haven't seen any confederate flags which makes sense since PA was in the Union.
Maybe it has more to do with racing fans than locality.
I dunno cause I don't go to the racetrack...
moleculo
Footballguy
I could be wrong, but I think a lot of folks fly the flag as a symbol of counter-culture - the anti-PC crowd. some people deeply resent being told what to do/say/think by the media or the government. I know this thought is prevailant in the rural South, I know it is in the rural West, and I presume it is in the rural North as well.
They don't see it as a symbol or racism...it's more of a symbol of the right to do/be/say/think what ever you want, including (but not limited to) racism.
There was some poster in this thread previously from Wisconsin (I think) who was bragging about flying his flag. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he wanted to do so not because he hates black people, but because he hates the "Social Justice Warriors" suddenly determining that the flag had to go.
They don't see it as a symbol or racism...it's more of a symbol of the right to do/be/say/think what ever you want, including (but not limited to) racism.
There was some poster in this thread previously from Wisconsin (I think) who was bragging about flying his flag. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he wanted to do so not because he hates black people, but because he hates the "Social Justice Warriors" suddenly determining that the flag had to go.
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Well said Tobias.
The Commish
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I growing attitude around me is that they want to take the meaning back from groups like the KKK etc. They want people talking about it so they can explain what it means to them and more importantly, why. There's a sad commentary going on in this area, maybe you saw it on the news moleculo. People were shown the actual Confederate Flag and they had no idea what it was. I was sort of in shock given SC's attachment to it's history. I didn't see that one coming.
Amused to Death
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"Social Justice Warriors" like Jeb Bush, Nikki Haley and NASCAR? Those bastions of liberal PC propaganda?
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