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Cracks ahead in NFL agreement?

Ripple effect may start soon

By Kevin Goheen

Post staff reporter

On May 6, 1993, owners and players of the National Football League entered into a new collective bargaining agreement. Labor peace has been a constant in the NFL since, making the NFL a model for other North American professional sports league either to be followed or envied.

If the league and the NFL players association don't extend the CBA by February 2007, that model will begin to crack. The current agreement runs through the 2007 season, but if no extension is signed before that February the 2007 season becomes an uncapped year for salaries.

The league hasn't operated without a salary cap since 1993 and has reaped the benefits of greater popularity and financial worth because of it.

Few people on either side of the fence expect that uncapped year to come - both players and owners have simply made too much money to let it happen - but the fact that an extension has not yet been signed will begin to affect how contracts for rookie draft choices and for veterans seeking longer-term deals are negotiated this summer.

Before the owners and players can sit down and work on that extension, however, the owners have to deal with their own internal issues, most notably the question concerning the sharing of local revenues. The higher revenue teams, clubs such as the Dallas Cowboys, New England Patriots and Washington Redskins, are balking at giving up portions of the monies they earn from their own marketing projects and stadium-related endeavors to teams that either don't or can't produce as much on the local front.

There is a concern that, like in major league baseball, a greater disparity between the "haves" and "have-nots" is growing. The salary cap, which is at $85.5 million this season, keeps teams from outspending one another - but how much money one organization can make from stadium naming rights, club and luxury box payments and local broadcast fees isn't part of the league's shared revenue pot.

"The owners' revenue sharing and the Collective Bargaining Agreement are intertwined," said Bengals president Mike Brown.

The Bengals are not among the league's higher revenue-producing teams, although since the club moved into Paul Brown Stadium in 2000 its revenue streams have increased and made the Bengals better capable of competing in the NFL marketplace. The Bengals are not among the 17 teams in the league that have sold naming rights to their stadiums.

The NFL's major moneymaker is its national TV deals.

The current NFL TV deal, valued at $17.2 billion including fees from Sunday night broadcasts on ESPN and Monday night games on ABC, ends when this upcoming season comes to a close. The NFL extended its deals with Fox and CBS through 2011 to continue broadcasting Sunday afternoon games for $8 billion. Fox is paying $4.3 billion for the rights to NFC games, while CBS is paying $3.7 billion to broadcast AFC games.

DirecTV is paying the league $3.5 billion to extend its Sunday Ticket package for five more years through 2010.

ESPN will take over Monday night football games for eight years beginning in 2006 thanks to a payment of $8.8 billion deal, while Sunday night telecasts will move to NBC, which paid $3.6 billion for a six-year deal.

All told, that's $23.9 billion worth of TV revenue for the league and its players to split up. There is a lot more money in national sponsorships and other league-wide revenue streams to divvy around to the 32 clubs. How owners ultimately decide to handle the sharing of local revenue will determine when an extension with the players union can be reached.

Under the current CBA, teams were allowed to spread the amount of signing bonuses they gave to players over as many as seven years for accounting and salary cap purposes. Through negotiated agreement, teams can only spread those bonuses for three years past the final capped season, in this case 2006. What that means for this year is that signing bonuses can only be spread out for five years.

What it doesn't mean is that players and their agents won't still be looking for monetary increases over what was paid last year.

"Your only concern (as an agent) is you want to get an increase on last year because the rookie (salary) pool went up," said agent Ken Zuckerman, whose client list includes Bengals left tackle Levi Jones. "As an agent you want the years to be less years that you can extend the player's contract out because you want to get to free agency sooner.

"I just think that from knowing the players and their perspective and the owners that it's in everyone's best interest to get something extended to keep everything fair and solid."

While the owners would be faced with an uncapped year if an extension isn't reached, it would also mean players need six years of accrued NFL experience instead of four to become an unrestricted free agent.

"I believe the fear or the weight of an uncapped year is a much bigger hammer for the union than the possible addition of two more years of restricted free agency is for the owners," said John Michels, the agent for Bengals second-round draft choice Odell Thurman. "The majority of owners would be more worried about uncapping the salary structure than the union is of the extra years it would take to become an unrestricted free agent. The whole nature of the CBA has been one of cooperation and profitability for everyone. It's been a very successful formula for both sides and I don't think anyone wants to see that end. I don't think the NFL will ever get that far."

Both Zuckerman and Michels said those players drafted high in the first round would feel the biggest impact from the lack of a CBA extension this year. That should minimize the effect on the Bengals and their dealings with Ken Kremer, agent for first-round pick linebacker David Pollack. If the issue continues unresolved into next year, however, it would be more significant to more people.

Brown said he couldn't predict when an agreement between first the owners and then between the owners and NFLPA for a CBA extension would happen but that he has full faith both will occur. That's why, he said, the club won't change its negotiating policies and goals. The Bengals signed the first of their seven draft choices on Thursday when defensive end Jonathan Fanene, the team's seventh-round pick, agreed to a three-year contract.

"We'll still sign the best deals for us," Brown said. "The way you're putting it comes with an assumption that an extension won't be reached. We don't believe that."

Michels said he has had preliminary discussions with the Bengals concerning Thurman's contract, but nothing more at this point. Most rookie contracts are finalized close to the opening of training camp, which for the Bengals is July 28 at Georgetown College.

 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game. Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team. What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?

 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game. Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team. What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
:goodposting: And the NFL then becomes MLB and unwatchable.

 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game.  Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team.  What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
:goodposting: And the NFL then becomes MLB and unwatchable.
was the NFL "unwatchable" pre-salary cap ?? :no:
 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game.  Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team.  What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
:goodposting: And the NFL then becomes MLB and unwatchable.
was the NFL "unwatchable" pre-salary cap ?? :no:
Was baseball 15 years ago? If you allow the Redskins to become the Yankess and buy division titles and championships rather than earn them you will lose many viewers.

 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game.  Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team.  What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
:goodposting: And the NFL then becomes MLB and unwatchable.
not if you're a redskin fan. :banned:
 
was the NFL "unwatchable" pre-salary cap ?? :no:
Obviously you don't remember the Cleveland Browns drafting "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell with the #10 overall pick in the draft solely because he was affordable.In addition, we can kiss some great franchises good-bye; like Green Bay.

 
was the NFL "unwatchable" pre-salary cap ?? :no:
Obviously you don't remember the Cleveland Browns drafting "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell with the #10 overall pick in the draft solely because he was affordable.In addition, we can kiss some great franchises good-bye; like Green Bay.
:violin: to greenbay and every other "small market" team.
 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game. Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team. What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
For 2007 and beyond, yes.Some people have said that the Redskins would be one of the most negatively affected teams for 2006. Unless the CBA is extended, teams can only prorate signing bonuses thru '09. (Which is why the author says the high first-rounders would be impacted the most.)

Basically, it'll be harder for teams in 2006 to keep vets by restructuring their high-salary contract and giving them signing bonuses.

 
:violin: to greenbay and every other "small market" team.
There is no bigger Green Bay basher on this board than me, but the league would not be the same without them.
 
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Although this could happen, I think Tagliabue is well aware of what a complete ####### Bud Selig is and won't ruin his sport the same way.

 
Although this could happen, I think Tagliabue is well aware of what a complete ####### Bud Selig is and won't ruin his sport the same way.
I agree. I would be shocked if the salary cap gets removed.
 
:violin: to greenbay and every other "small market" team.
There is no bigger Green Bay basher on this board than me, but the league would not be the same without them.
i think the league did just fine with them sucking the entire 80's, don't you?
Sure. And lets also conclude the league did much better in the 90s because they were doing well.
 
One other CBA tidbit: If there is no extension, there is also no June 1st rule in 2006, i.e even if teams wait until June 1st to whack someone, the entire cap hit goes into '06 (not half into '06 and half into '07 like before).

 
:violin: to greenbay and every other "small market" team.
There is no bigger Green Bay basher on this board than me, but the league would not be the same without them.
i think the league did just fine with them sucking the entire 80's, don't you?
Sure. And lets also conclude the league did much better in the 90s because they were doing well.
no, i think that's just further proof that it didn't matter either way.
 
was the NFL "unwatchable" pre-salary cap ?? :no:
Obviously you don't remember the Cleveland Browns drafting "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell with the #10 overall pick in the draft solely because he was affordable.In addition, we can kiss some great franchises good-bye; like Green Bay.
:violin: to greenbay and every other "small market" team.
Great game versus the Seahawks there. Way to pull it through. :thumbup:
 
was the NFL "unwatchable" pre-salary cap ?? :no:
Obviously you don't remember the Cleveland Browns drafting "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell with the #10 overall pick in the draft solely because he was affordable.In addition, we can kiss some great franchises good-bye; like Green Bay.
:violin: to greenbay and every other "small market" team.
Great game versus the Seahawks there. Way to pull it through. :thumbup:
way to join the conversation...with points like this, i'm sure this will be great. :D
 
no, i think that's just further proof that it didn't matter either way.
Interesting, so your case is that one team or one market does not influence the marketability of the league? But instead, it is the marketability of all teams and all markets on a level playing field?
 
no, i think that's just further proof that it didn't matter either way.
Interesting, so your case is that one team or one market does not influence the marketability of the league? But instead, it is the marketability of all teams and all markets on a level playing field?
no, don't try to read to much into this. i was just stating the fact that the league's popularity had nothing to do with how good greenbay is.

 
Hypothetical situation:

If more league revenues are shared among the teams, decreasing the distance between "haves" and "have-nots", do we even need a salary cap?

You'll already have a revenue cap built-in.

 
Hypothetical situation:

If more league revenues are shared among the teams, decreasing the distance between "haves" and "have-nots", do we even need a salary cap?

You'll already have a revenue cap built-in.
Yes. some revenues are just not shareable and each identity (NFL franchise) is different.
 
Hold on a sec.I have no link to this, however, on the way home yesterday, on sports talk radio they had a reporter stating that the league is close to renewing the CBA, which would happen before the draft, and the cap would go up to about $105 million?Again, sorry for the lack of link.

 
Hypothetical situation:

If more league revenues are shared among the teams, decreasing the distance between "haves" and "have-nots", do we even need a salary cap?

You'll already have a revenue cap built-in.
Yes. some revenues are just not shareable and each identity (NFL franchise) is different.
Okay, but what's the big difference between high-revenue teams right now spending more on coaching and scouting or an un-capped situation where teams decide where to spend that surplus, including payroll?
 
ESPN.com did a story yesterday that said the reevnue between the "haves" and the "have nots" has never been as big as it today. There area few teams whos asst. coaches have higher salaries than some head coaches. It also qouted Gene Upshaw as saying "if the cap comes of the bottle, you will never gt the Jeannie back in."

The players get around 54-57% of revenues, but it is believed they will be asking for 65% in this new agreement.

lets just have ESPN.Com explain what I am trying to say.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=2305744

 
ESPN.com did a story yesterday that said the reevnue between the "haves" and the "have nots" has never been as big as it today. There area few teams whos asst. coaches have higher salaries than some head coaches. It also qouted Gene Upshaw as saying "if the cap comes of the bottle, you will never gt the Jeannie back in."

The players get around 54-57% of revenues, but it is believed they will be asking for 65% in this new agreement.

lets just have ESPN.Com explain what I am trying to say.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=2305744
Yep, that's the same article I was reading.That's the point here ... as it stands, teams are finding ways to increase the have vs. have-not ratio anyway. Whether that's better coaching or more scouting or better facilities / perks, there are going to be differences.

If we share more revenue than we do now (obviously not all), then a salary cap may not really help things out much anyway. The "haves" would still have more money than the "have-nots" as they do now, but the degree would be less. If they wanted to spend much more on player salaries, they'd have to sacrifice somewhere else.

Of course, someone could always take this to the extreme, but football is not a fantasy sport. It's a team game and you need everyone buying into the system to win a championship.

 
It will be a very, very dark day for the NFL if and when we reach an uncapped season.As Forrest Gump would say, That's all I have to say about that.

 
I'm no expert on this but I have been doing a lot of reading about it.This is a lot more complicated than it appears at first glance. Mostly because the owners can't present a united front. It's not just a matter of working out a deal with the players. The owners need to figure out their issues first. Or so it would seem. Some of the owners of the big money teams disagree. They'd like to make a deal with the union and then work out the differinces between the owners. The major isuue is designated gross revenues. When the existing CBA was done in 1993 designated gross revenue was a much closer to the total gross revenue of the league. It is the designated gross revenues pool which is used for the percentage for which the salary cap is determined. So now the players are saying, wait a minute, you guys are making a lot more money in the areas not covered by designated gross revenues, the spirit of the 1993 agreement was that the players and league become partners and fairly share a percentage of revenue, and we aren't getting any of a large chunk of money outside the designated gross revenues umbrella. The big money owner are saying well we can talk about giving you some of that money. The small market teams are saying, if you include total gross revenue in the salary cap pool we can't compete with the big market teams without an increased amount of revenue sharing.It's an argument in a circle and all three sides have valid positions. If just one of the three groups decides to play hardball it could get very ugly very fast.

 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game. Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team. What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
:goodposting: And the NFL then becomes MLB and unwatchable.
Sorry, but the Seahawks would have the hugest advantage.Paul Allen is worth more than basically all other 4 major sports owners put together.

 
Hypothetical situation:

If more league revenues are shared among the teams, decreasing the distance between "haves" and "have-nots", do we even need a salary cap?

You'll already have a revenue cap built-in.
Yes. some revenues are just not shareable and each identity (NFL franchise) is different.
Okay, but what's the big difference between high-revenue teams right now spending more on coaching and scouting or an un-capped situation where teams decide where to spend that surplus, including payroll?
It sounds like you are asking what is the difference between clubs outspending other clubs for talent and clubs outspending other clubs for coaching and other peripherals.My answer is not 'as much'. Only 52 players can take the field and ultimately it is the players that decide the game. But I think the point you are driving at has substance. For instance, what is the difference between a 20 million contract in Green Bay and a 20 million contract in New York, if in New York you have acess to one of the team's 10 private jets (making this up) to fly wherever you want during the offseason?

 
I'm no expert on this but I have been doing a lot of reading about it.

This is a lot more complicated than it appears at first glance. Mostly because the owners can't present a united front. It's not just a matter of working out a deal with the players. The owners need to figure out their issues first. Or so it would seem. Some of the owners of the big money teams disagree. They'd like to make a deal with the union and then work out the differinces between the owners.

The major isuue is designated gross revenues. When the existing CBA was done in 1993 designated gross revenue was a much closer to the total gross revenue of the league. It is the designated gross revenues pool which is used for the percentage for which the salary cap is determined. So now the players are saying, wait a minute, you guys are making a lot more money in the areas not covered by designated gross revenues, the spirit of the 1993 agreement was that the players and league become partners and fairly share a percentage of revenue, and we aren't getting any of a large chunk of money outside the designated gross revenues umbrella. The big money owner are saying well we can talk about giving you some of that money. The small market teams are saying, if you include total gross revenue in the salary cap pool we can't compete with the big market teams without an increased amount of revenue sharing.

It's an argument in a circle and all three sides have valid positions. If just one of the three groups decides to play hardball it could get very ugly very fast.
Very well said, thanks for the update as I forgot about some of these issues. The one thing the NFL has going for them (correct me if I am wrong), the owner's books are open, so you don't have as much 'poker talk' among owners and the player's union.
 
Hypothetical situation:

If more league revenues are shared among the teams, decreasing the distance between "haves" and "have-nots", do we even need a salary cap?

You'll already have a revenue cap built-in.
Yes. some revenues are just not shareable and each identity (NFL franchise) is different.
Okay, but what's the big difference between high-revenue teams right now spending more on coaching and scouting or an un-capped situation where teams decide where to spend that surplus, including payroll?
It sounds like you are asking what is the difference between clubs outspending other clubs for talent and clubs outspending other clubs for coaching and other peripherals.My answer is not 'as much'. Only 52 players can take the field and ultimately it is the players that decide the game. But I think the point you are driving at has substance. For instance, what is the difference between a 20 million contract in Green Bay and a 20 million contract in New York, if in New York you have acess to one of the team's 10 private jets (making this up) to fly wherever you want during the offseason?
Yeah, this is exactly what I mean. I guess I'm always hoping that somehow we can have competitive balance without a salary cap, because it could help teams retain their players if they want to give a hometown discount, etc.Of course, it could obviously have the opposite effect, more bidders to pluck away a longtime hometown player.

Not sure what the net effect is. I'd never want it to get to baseball's level, that's for sure!

 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game.  Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team.  What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
:goodposting: And the NFL then becomes MLB and unwatchable.
Sorry, but the Seahawks would have the hugest advantage.Paul Allen is worth more than basically all other 4 major sports owners put together.
Not quite, he's the richest owner but nowhere near the 4 major sports owners put together. Paul Allen Net Worth: 20 billion.NBA owners Net Worth:

Micky Arison Miami $5.3 billion

Rich DeVos Orlando $3 billion

William Davidson Detroit $2.8 billion

Glen Taylor Minnesota $1.8 billion

Melvin Simon Indiana $1.6 billion

E. Stanley Kroenke Denver $1.4 billion

Mark Cuban Dallas $1.3 billion

Herb Simon Indiana $1.2 billion

Michael E. Heisley Memphis $850 million

Robert Johnson Charlotte $750 million

That adds up to 20 billion, that doesn't include any of the other NBA, NFL, and MLB teams who also have a few billionaires as well. And there's also teams like the Atlanta Braves who are owned by corporations (Time Warner/AOL).

 
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I'm no expert on this but I have been doing a lot of reading about it.

This is a lot more complicated than it appears at first glance. Mostly because the owners can't present a united front. It's not just a matter of working out a deal with the players. The owners need to figure out their issues first. Or so it would seem. Some of the owners of the big money teams disagree. They'd like to make a deal with the union and then work out the differinces between the owners.

The major isuue is designated gross revenues. When the existing CBA was done in 1993 designated gross revenue was a much closer to the total gross revenue of the league. It is the designated gross revenues pool which is used for the percentage for which the salary cap is determined. So now the players are saying, wait a minute, you guys are making a lot more money in the areas not covered by designated gross revenues, the spirit of the 1993 agreement was that the players and league become partners and fairly share a percentage of revenue, and we aren't getting any of a large chunk of money outside the designated gross revenues umbrella. The big money owner are saying well we can talk about giving you some of that money. The small market teams are saying, if you include total gross revenue in the salary cap pool we can't compete with the big market teams without an increased amount of revenue sharing.

It's an argument in a circle and all three sides have valid positions. If just one of the three groups decides to play hardball it could get very ugly very fast.
Of course this is a natural result: If an owner is given these options:a. increase revenue that is shared. He keeps 1/32 of it.

b. increase revenue that is not shared. He keeps 100% of it.

The owner will chose b every time. Thus, the unshared revenues will naturally grow faster.

 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game.  Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team.  What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
:goodposting: And the NFL then becomes MLB and unwatchable.
Sorry, but the Seahawks would have the hugest advantage.Paul Allen is worth more than basically all other 4 major sports owners put together.
hugest. :D
 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game. Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team. What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
:goodposting: And the NFL then becomes MLB and unwatchable.
Sorry, but the Seahawks would have the hugest advantage.Paul Allen is worth more than basically all other 4 major sports owners put together.
Not quite, he's the richest owner but nowhere near the 4 major sports owners put together. Paul Allen Net Worth: 20 billion.NBA owners Net Worth:

Micky Arison Miami $5.3 billion

Rich DeVos Orlando $3 billion

William Davidson Detroit $2.8 billion

Glen Taylor Minnesota $1.8 billion

Melvin Simon Indiana $1.6 billion

E. Stanley Kroenke Denver $1.4 billion

Mark Cuban Dallas $1.3 billion

Herb Simon Indiana $1.2 billion

Michael E. Heisley Memphis $850 million

Robert Johnson Charlotte $750 million

That adds up to 20 billion, that doesn't include any of the other NBA, NFL, and MLB teams who also have a few billionaires as well. And there's also teams like the Atlanta Braves who are owned by corporations (Time Warner/AOL).
Maybe I was mistaken...maybe it was all of football owners. Its something along those lines.
 
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Many of the guys with big contracts do not produce. Many guys that make the league minimum are stars. Even with no salary cap, it comes down to drafting and talent evaluation.As baseball has shown, money can buy you a spot in the playoffs, but that is it. Personally, I prefer that the Yankees can spend whatever they want, even though I root against them.

 
Many of the guys with big contracts do not produce. Many guys that make the league minimum are stars. Even with no salary cap, it comes down to drafting and talent evaluation.

As baseball has shown, money can buy you a spot in the playoffs, but that is it. Personally, I prefer that the Yankees can spend whatever they want, even though I root against them.
If that is your opinion, I am pretty sure you don't follow one of the farm clubs between the Rocky Mountains and Appalachian Mountains.
 
I'm no expert on this but I have been doing a lot of reading about it.

This is a lot more complicated than it appears at first glance. Mostly because the owners can't present a united front. It's not just a matter of working out a deal with the players. The owners need to figure out their issues first. Or so it would seem. Some of the owners of the big money teams disagree. They'd like to make a deal with the union and then work out the differinces between the owners.

The major isuue is designated gross revenues. When the existing CBA was done in 1993 designated gross revenue was a much closer to the total gross revenue of the league. It is the designated gross revenues pool which is used for the percentage for which the salary cap is determined. So now the players are saying, wait a minute, you guys are making a lot more money in the areas not covered by designated gross revenues, the spirit of the 1993 agreement was that the players and league become partners and fairly share a percentage of revenue, and we aren't getting any of a large chunk of money outside the designated gross revenues umbrella. The big money owner are saying well we can talk about giving you some of that money. The small market teams are saying, if you include total gross revenue in the salary cap pool we can't compete with the big market teams without an increased amount of revenue sharing.

It's an argument in a circle and all three sides have valid positions. If just one of the three groups decides to play hardball it could get very ugly very fast.
Very well said, thanks for the update as I forgot about some of these issues. The one thing the NFL has going for them (correct me if I am wrong), the owner's books are open, so you don't have as much 'poker talk' among owners and the player's union.
I know that all of the books for everything under the designated gross revenue umbrella are open to all parties involved. I don't know if the players have access to the numbers for all revenue streams outide of that. But even if they do it's still a murky picture. For example and this is only an example, I don't think that stadium naming rights fall under designated gross revenues. And something like 17 teams don't have a deal for stadium naming right. This is where the issues start. The players say we want part of that money based on the spirit of the 1993 CBA. The team with naming rights deals think it's unfair that they went out and got this money and have to share it when other teams haven't worked to make deals happen for themselves. The small market teams say we can't compete on a level playing field with naming rights so no matter what we do if that's used in the salary cap pool without increased revenue sharing it screws us even more. The aggresive owners like Jerry Jones that have done a very good job of finding and creating new revenue streams don't want to have to share the reward they earned with "lazy" "uncreative" teams or small market teams.

It goes on and on. I really think the owners have to work out something within their own ranks before this can move forward. But this league is making a ton of money, you'd have to think they won't risk ruining it. I know that when the Jaguars came into the league the cap was right at 35m. Projection for next season are over 90m. And a central part of this issue is that money made by the teams outside of the designated gross revenues which is used for the cap have increased dramatically. So in that time frame the designated gross revenues of the league has near tripled and the income outside of the designated gross revenues has increased a great deal. They have to figure this thing out.

 
Was baseball 15 years ago?

If you allow the Redskins to become the Yankess and buy division titles and championships rather than earn them you will lose many viewers.
The Yankees have usually spent *twice* as much money in salaries as the *second highest* team in baseball. That's pretty extreme, if you ask me.Plus, "buying championships" is incorrect.

The Yankees haven't won one since 2000.

 
Was baseball 15 years ago?

If you allow the Redskins to become the Yankess and buy division titles and championships rather than earn them you will lose many viewers.
The Yankees have usually spent *twice* as much money in salaries as the *second highest* team in baseball. That's pretty extreme, if you ask me.Plus, "buying championships" is incorrect.

The Yankees haven't won one since 2000.
But that's the point. A whole 5 seasons without a World Series win. How can they stand going through such a terrible dry spell. 5 whole years! :no:
 
Was baseball 15 years ago?

If you allow the Redskins to become the Yankess and buy division titles and championships rather than earn them you will lose many viewers.
The Yankees have usually spent *twice* as much money in salaries as the *second highest* team in baseball. That's pretty extreme, if you ask me.Plus, "buying championships" is incorrect.

The Yankees haven't won one since 2000.
But that's the point. A whole 5 seasons without a World Series win. How can they stand going through such a terrible dry spell. 5 whole years! :no:
Yep, and the 5 years before that...they won 4 championships. That's a typical dynasty.The 17 years before that? 0 championships.

They had a good run. Money gets you somewhere...but it doesn't mean everything.

 
Good god. MLB has to be the gayest professional sports league out there. Lets try not to insult the NFL by speaking as if MLB is even in the same league.

 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game. Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team. What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
:goodposting: And the NFL then becomes MLB and unwatchable.
was the NFL "unwatchable" pre-salary cap ?? :no:
Without a Salary Cap I don't think Green Bay winning it in the '90's would have ever happened. And this from a Viking fan. :bag:
 
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Was baseball 15 years ago?

If you allow the Redskins to become the Yankess and buy division titles and championships rather than earn them you will lose many viewers.
The Yankees have usually spent *twice* as much money in salaries as the *second highest* team in baseball. That's pretty extreme, if you ask me.Plus, "buying championships" is incorrect.

The Yankees haven't won one since 2000.
But that's the point. A whole 5 seasons without a World Series win. How can they stand going through such a terrible dry spell. 5 whole years! :no:
Yep, and the 5 years before that...they won 4 championships. That's a typical dynasty.The 17 years before that? 0 championships.

They had a good run. Money gets you somewhere...but it doesn't mean everything.
How many of the last say...15 years...have the Yankees missed the playoffs?
 
Was baseball 15 years ago?

If you allow the Redskins to become the Yankess and buy division titles and championships rather than earn them you will lose many viewers.
The Yankees have usually spent *twice* as much money in salaries as the *second highest* team in baseball. That's pretty extreme, if you ask me.Plus, "buying championships" is incorrect.

The Yankees haven't won one since 2000.
But that's the point. A whole 5 seasons without a World Series win. How can they stand going through such a terrible dry spell. 5 whole years! :no:
Yep, and the 5 years before that...they won 4 championships. That's a typical dynasty.The 17 years before that? 0 championships.

They had a good run. Money gets you somewhere...but it doesn't mean everything.
How many of the last say...15 years...have the Yankees missed the playoffs?
Yankees have been in the playoffs the last 11 years. Before that they had a 13 year drought. Joe Torre has been the manager of the Yankees for the last 10 years.I think that the success of a team is equal parts payroll, general managing, and coaching. The Yankees didn't have a ton of success until Torre took over. The A's have had a lot of success with a low payroll (except for game 5's of the postseason) because of good general managing and coaching.

In the NFL the payrolls are even (except for the case when a team decides to mortgage the future to try to win now), so it comes down to the GMs and coaching staffs, which explains the success of the Patriots.

Take away the salary cap in the NFL, and even if a team spends a ton of money, they won't win unless they have the right GM and coach, which is how it is now.

There are a finite number of roster spots in the NFL and a small number of starting jobs. There is more than enough talent to fill all of those spots, even if a couple of teams grab all of the big name players.

 
The A's have had a lot of success with a low payroll (except for game 5's of the postseason) because of good general managing and coaching.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I cannot even remember the last time they won a playoff series, 1990?. And tell those A's fans to get ready for another 10 years of suckiness and to please keep buying game tickets, especially when the ex-stars like Giambi, Damon and Tejeda come to town.

 
If that happens, the Washington Redskins will never lose another game. Danny boy will make his squad a real fantasy team. What players become unrestricted free agents in '07 I wonder?
You say this like it's a bad thing. ;)
 

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