What would happen if I fought a featherweight boxer? (1 Viewer)

[matuski]

I may as well be fighting Superman, I mean - these men with 12 year old bodies are immortal.

These are not men with twelve year old bodies. That is a terrible analogy. These are some of the best conditioned athletes in the world, and you probably don't have as big an advantage in the strength category as you think.

Obviously I am countering your extremes with my own.

What have I said that was extreme? The fact that these are men specifically conditioned to pound the tar out of people? And that they're the best in the world at it?This would be the same thing as me saying a baseball player that I have better eyesight than, probably can't hit the ball as well as I can. You're doing professional boxers a great deal of disrespect.

Some people teach, some people serve and protect, some people put out fires. These people hurt other people. That's their business. That's what they do.

What's the cutoff weight where you think you would get wrecked? 140? 160? 180?

I can't repeat myself enough.I am not disrespecting anyone, I am not proclaiming any greatness of my own. This is not a game of "lets think of all the scenarios where matuski gets his ### kicked."

Lets reel this back in to the thread so we arent all over the place. Me (or a 6'1 200 lb guy) vs a featherweight boxer... many have said I (or someone else my size) get killed, I disagree.

I don't claim to be able to win against a guy that moves so fast I can't see him, that cannot be hit, that can take any blow (that I couldn't hit him with), that can withstand a shove or take down from a guy MUCH bigger than him, wears a cape and flies, etc.

 

[dickey moe]

OK - EVERYONE BUILDING UP THE FEATHERWEIGHT TO SUPERHERO STATUS.

I give. I am talking about fighting a very small human being.

Why do you want to punch infantsmidgets??

fixed

 

[ChrisHenrysDD]

If you really want to find out, and you can make it up to Milwaukee, I can get you a fight with Omar Choudhury. He's 130lbs, not exactly an elite MMA fighter, and he'd make you quit in under 3 minutes.

If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.

IF Softball guy can seriously get you a fight with Henry, AND you'll actually fight the guy (complete with videotaped evidence to be provided via youtube to everyone here), I'll pay for the plane ticket from San Antonio to Milwaukee. I'm dead serious.

Omar is the 130 pounder, Henry is 150. I'd give anyone on this board $1,000 if they could last 5 minutes with Henry.

Fine. IF you can get matuski a fight with either of them, AND he'll do it, I'll pay for the flight any time you guys can coordinate calendars and get this beatdown videotaped.

This should be good. Make sure your health insurance hasn't lapsed.

 

[The Goat]

How can a 130 pound guy hit as hard as a 200 pound guy? Its called physics.

I am an avid bowhunter. I can shoot a 500 grain aluminum arrow at 260 feet per second, or I can shoot a 400 grain arrow at 300 fps. That light arrow is going to deliver more kinetic energy to the target that the much heavier, and slower arrow.

People routinely forget about the acceleration component of force = mass x acceleration and put way, way too much emphasis on the mass part of it.

I think that in boxing, mass is at least equally, if not more, important. Just the size of a 200-lb guy's arm is going to make a huge difference.

Uhm, pretty sure this has been worked out extensively before today. In calculating force, mass and acceleration are exactly equally important. One, by definition, cannot be "more important" that the other.

While I'm noit a physicist, I would think the force-velocity curve would come into play here, no?

 

[Softballguy]

Of course size matter - when discussing even remotely similar skill levels. That's the whole point of weight classes in wrestling and boxing - to pair similarly skilled athletes against one another. However, training > size, and many of us have seen or had this illustrated to us explicitly before. Some of us have not and seem to think a 70 lb weight difference is enough to account for the chasm of difference in skill between a professionally trained fighter and a rank amateur.

I don't think I'm disagreeing with you. But some of the posters here are definitely overestimating the punching power of 130 pound fighters.

 

[Genedoc]

How can a 130 pound guy hit as hard as a 200 pound guy? Its called physics.

I am an avid bowhunter. I can shoot a 500 grain aluminum arrow at 260 feet per second, or I can shoot a 400 grain arrow at 300 fps. That light arrow is going to deliver more kinetic energy to the target that the much heavier, and slower arrow.

People routinely forget about the acceleration component of force = mass x acceleration and put way, way too much emphasis on the mass part of it.

I think that in boxing, mass is at least equally, if not more, important. Just the size of a 200-lb guy's arm is going to make a huge difference.

Uhm, pretty sure this has been worked out extensively before today. In calculating force, mass and acceleration are exactly equally important. One, by definition, cannot be "more important" that the other.

While I'm noit a physicist, I would think the force-velocity curve would come into play here, no?

I'm no physicist, either. Just the fact that you remember/know what a force-velocity curve is provides me with all of the information I need to bow out of this argument. Back to my primary contribution to this thread - IF softball guy can set up a fight AND matuski will take it, I'll pay for matuski to get from San Antonio to Milwaukee and back any time they can coordinate calendars. We've been through every possible scenario. Let's either kill this or [MillsLane]let's get it on![/MillsLane].

 

[Mr. Chumley]

If you really want to find out, and you can make it up to Milwaukee, I can get you a fight with Omar Choudhury. He's 130lbs, not exactly an elite MMA fighter, and he'd make you quit in under 3 minutes.

If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.

IF Softball guy can seriously get you a fight with Henry, AND you'll actually fight the guy (complete with videotaped evidence to be provided via youtube to everyone here), I'll pay for the plane ticket from San Antonio to Milwaukee. I'm dead serious.

Omar is the 130 pounder, Henry is 150. I'd give anyone on this board $1,000 if they could last 5 minutes with Henry.

I'm looking forward to seeing this on youtube!!

 

[Genedoc]

Of course size matter - when discussing even remotely similar skill levels. That's the whole point of weight classes in wrestling and boxing - to pair similarly skilled athletes against one another. However, training > size, and many of us have seen or had this illustrated to us explicitly before. Some of us have not and seem to think a 70 lb weight difference is enough to account for the chasm of difference in skill between a professionally trained fighter and a rank amateur.

I don't think I'm disagreeing with you. But some of the posters here are definitely overestimate the punching power of 130 pound fighters.

You aren't disagreeing with me - I just wanted to point out that not all of us in the "Matuski begs for mercy within 5 mintues" crowd are completely discounting size. It definitely matters - just less than training. Now...about this fight you may be able to arrange....

 

[Softballguy]

Now...about this fight you may be able to arrange....

I can make it happen. onKing:Matuski?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Ley me try this again as i have`nt gotten a response yet.

....matuski how do you think you would fare against a 7 foot 350lb guy in a fight ???

Would you think your speed would be greater and your punch just as effective as his ???

 

[Genedoc]

Now...about this fight you may be able to arrange....

I can make it happen. onKing:Matuski?

We've got a Solid Gold confirmation that a fight with a 130 pounder CAN be arranged (Softballguy). And we've got equally Solid Gold confirmation that your plane trip to and from Milwaukee from SA will be paid for in full (me). All you've got to do is say yes and this thread goes from to . You in Matuski? If so, throw out 4 or 5 weekends that you can make it to Milwaukee in order to give Softballguy something to work with. If this happens, I'm sure SOMEONE in the greater Milwaukee area will step forth to provide video taping/youtube uploading services. Good news is that I'm doubting a large memory stick will be needed for the camera.

 

[The Goat]

How can a 130 pound guy hit as hard as a 200 pound guy? Its called physics.

I am an avid bowhunter. I can shoot a 500 grain aluminum arrow at 260 feet per second, or I can shoot a 400 grain arrow at 300 fps. That light arrow is going to deliver more kinetic energy to the target that the much heavier, and slower arrow.

People routinely forget about the acceleration component of force = mass x acceleration and put way, way too much emphasis on the mass part of it.

I think that in boxing, mass is at least equally, if not more, important. Just the size of a 200-lb guy's arm is going to make a huge difference.

Uhm, pretty sure this has been worked out extensively before today. In calculating force, mass and acceleration are exactly equally important. One, by definition, cannot be "more important" that the other.

While I'm noit a physicist, I would think the force-velocity curve would come into play here, no?

I'm no physicist, either. Just the fact that you remember/know what a force-velocity curve is provides me with all of the information I need to bow out of this argument. Back to my primary contribution to this thread - IF softball guy can set up a fight AND matuski will take it, I'll pay for matuski to get from San Antonio to Milwaukee and back any time they can coordinate calendars. We've been through every possible scenario. Let's either kill this or [MillsLane]let's get it on![/MillsLane].

I had to look it up ...but I remembered that there was something relevant to sports that didn't directly parallel the F=MxA equation. As it turns out, it would seem that I'm on the wrong side of the argument:

from some guy named "Alwyn Cosgrove"...

You can bench press 400lbs. It takes you 4 seconds to complete the repetition.

I can only bench press 125lbs but it only takes me 0.5s to complete the repetition. Who's the strongest? You. Who would win a powerlifting competition? You.

But in a battle of who can apply their strength (in most sports - speed is king), like a boxing match - I'm 'stronger'. When the referee says "go" I'll be able to hit you with 125lbs of force in about 0.5s. You’d need 4s to apply the 400lbs of force.

In other words – you can produce a power output of 100lbs per second, while I am producing a power output of 250lbs per second. So in combat sports – I’d win (more velocity). But in powerlifting – you’d win (more force). Just because of training at different ends of the Mass x Acceleration equation.

 

[ChrisHenrysDD]

Now...about this fight you may be able to arrange....

I can make it happen. onKing:Matuski?

The most splendiferous, stupendous, spectacular fight in the history of the world! Only in America!I would have given him a very slim chance with a boxer who can't defend the takedown, but well rounded guys...this will not end well.

 

[matuski]

Ley me try this again as i have`nt gotten a response yet.....matuski how do you think you would fare against a 7 foot 350lb guy in a fight ???Would you think your speed would be greater and your punch just as effective as his ???

I cant possibly respond to each individual's scenario. But yes, no.

 

[matuski]

Now...about this fight you may be able to arrange....

I can make it happen. onKing:Matuski?

We've got a Solid Gold confirmation that a fight with a 130 pounder CAN be arranged (Softballguy). And we've got equally Solid Gold confirmation that your plane trip to and from Milwaukee from SA will be paid for in full (me). All you've got to do is say yes and this thread goes from to . You in Matuski? If so, throw out 4 or 5 weekends that you can make it to Milwaukee in order to give Softballguy something to work with. If this happens, I'm sure SOMEONE in the greater Milwaukee area will step forth to provide video taping/youtube uploading services. Good news is that I'm doubting a large memory stick will be needed for the camera.

You have taken on a life of your own here... unfortunately it is highly unlikely I would think about going to Milwaukee for this.Seattle may still have a chance... but I have no reason to go to milwaukee.

 

[matuski]

How can a 130 pound guy hit as hard as a 200 pound guy? Its called physics.

I am an avid bowhunter. I can shoot a 500 grain aluminum arrow at 260 feet per second, or I can shoot a 400 grain arrow at 300 fps. That light arrow is going to deliver more kinetic energy to the target that the much heavier, and slower arrow.

People routinely forget about the acceleration component of force = mass x acceleration and put way, way too much emphasis on the mass part of it.

I think that in boxing, mass is at least equally, if not more, important. Just the size of a 200-lb guy's arm is going to make a huge difference.

Uhm, pretty sure this has been worked out extensively before today. In calculating force, mass and acceleration are exactly equally important. One, by definition, cannot be "more important" that the other.

While I'm noit a physicist, I would think the force-velocity curve would come into play here, no?

I'm no physicist, either. Just the fact that you remember/know what a force-velocity curve is provides me with all of the information I need to bow out of this argument. Back to my primary contribution to this thread - IF softball guy can set up a fight AND matuski will take it, I'll pay for matuski to get from San Antonio to Milwaukee and back any time they can coordinate calendars. We've been through every possible scenario. Let's either kill this or [MillsLane]let's get it on![/MillsLane].

I had to look it up ...but I remembered that there was something relevant to sports that didn't directly parallel the F=MxA equation. As it turns out, it would seem that I'm on the wrong side of the argument:

from some guy named "Alwyn Cosgrove"...

You can bench press 400lbs. It takes you 4 seconds to complete the repetition.

I can only bench press 125lbs but it only takes me 0.5s to complete the repetition. Who's the strongest? You. Who would win a powerlifting competition? You.

But in a battle of who can apply their strength (in most sports - speed is king), like a boxing match - I'm 'stronger'. When the referee says "go" I'll be able to hit you with 125lbs of force in about 0.5s. You'd need 4s to apply the 400lbs of force.

In other words – you can produce a power output of 100lbs per second, while I am producing a power output of 250lbs per second. So in combat sports – I'd win (more velocity). But in powerlifting – you'd win (more force). Just because of training at different ends of the Mass x Acceleration equation.

How long does it take the stronger guy to press 125lbs? Just because he does a heavier weight slow does not mean he cant press the lighter weight fast.

 

[Genedoc]

Now...about this fight you may be able to arrange....

I can make it happen. onKing:Matuski?

We've got a Solid Gold confirmation that a fight with a 130 pounder CAN be arranged (Softballguy). And we've got equally Solid Gold confirmation that your plane trip to and from Milwaukee from SA will be paid for in full (me). All you've got to do is say yes and this thread goes from to . You in Matuski? If so, throw out 4 or 5 weekends that you can make it to Milwaukee in order to give Softballguy something to work with. If this happens, I'm sure SOMEONE in the greater Milwaukee area will step forth to provide video taping/youtube uploading services. Good news is that I'm doubting a large memory stick will be needed for the camera.

You have taken on a life of your own here... unfortunately it is highly unlikely I would think about going to Milwaukee for this.

So, you're not really interested in seeing how you'd do against a trained 130lb fighter. Got it.

 

[Angry Beavers]

Now...about this fight you may be able to arrange....

I can make it happen. onKing:Matuski?

We've got a Solid Gold confirmation that a fight with a 130 pounder CAN be arranged (Softballguy). And we've got equally Solid Gold confirmation that your plane trip to and from Milwaukee from SA will be paid for in full (me). All you've got to do is say yes and this thread goes from to . You in Matuski? If so, throw out 4 or 5 weekends that you can make it to Milwaukee in order to give Softballguy something to work with. If this happens, I'm sure SOMEONE in the greater Milwaukee area will step forth to provide video taping/youtube uploading services. Good news is that I'm doubting a large memory stick will be needed for the camera.

You have taken on a life of your own here... unfortunately it is highly unlikely I would think about going to Milwaukee for this.Seattle may still have a chance... but I have no reason to go to milwaukee.

Dare I ask what the difference is?

 

[Stanley Spadowski]

If you really want to find out, and you can make it up to Milwaukee, I can get you a fight with Omar Choudhury. He's 130lbs, not exactly an elite MMA fighter, and he'd make you quit in under 3 minutes.

If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.

IF Softball guy can seriously get you a fight with Henry, AND you'll actually fight the guy (complete with videotaped evidence to be provided via youtube to everyone here), I'll pay for the plane ticket from San Antonio to Milwaukee. I'm dead serious.

Omar is the 130 pounder, Henry is 150. I'd give anyone on this board $1,000 if they could last 5 minutes with Henry.

I'm looking forward to seeing this on youtube!!

There are already lots of videos on youtube just like this... Little guys who know what they are doing taking on big strong guys that dont know what they are doing. The little guy always wins.

 

[matuski]

Now...about this fight you may be able to arrange....

I can make it happen. onKing:Matuski?

We've got a Solid Gold confirmation that a fight with a 130 pounder CAN be arranged (Softballguy). And we've got equally Solid Gold confirmation that your plane trip to and from Milwaukee from SA will be paid for in full (me). All you've got to do is say yes and this thread goes from to . You in Matuski? If so, throw out 4 or 5 weekends that you can make it to Milwaukee in order to give Softballguy something to work with. If this happens, I'm sure SOMEONE in the greater Milwaukee area will step forth to provide video taping/youtube uploading services. Good news is that I'm doubting a large memory stick will be needed for the camera.

You have taken on a life of your own here... unfortunately it is highly unlikely I would think about going to Milwaukee for this.

So, you're not really interested in seeing how you'd do against a trained 130lb fighter. Got it.

Of course I am. Unfortunately I live in the real world. Me leaving my wife and son for a weekend doesn't fly.Me: "Yea so this guy on FBG wants me to fly out and fight a guy to see who wins."Wife: Conversation over.Seattle worked (not that you have read the thread) because I will be there anyway on occasion (family).

 

[Buckychudd]

How can a 130 pound guy hit as hard as a 200 pound guy? Its called physics.

I am an avid bowhunter. I can shoot a 500 grain aluminum arrow at 260 feet per second, or I can shoot a 400 grain arrow at 300 fps. That light arrow is going to deliver more kinetic energy to the target that the much heavier, and slower arrow.

People routinely forget about the acceleration component of force = mass x acceleration and put way, way too much emphasis on the mass part of it.

I think that in boxing, mass is at least equally, if not more, important. Just the size of a 200-lb guy's arm is going to make a huge difference.

Uhm, pretty sure this has been worked out extensively before today. In calculating force, mass and acceleration are exactly equally important. One, by definition, cannot be "more important" that the other.

While I'm noit a physicist, I would think the force-velocity curve would come into play here, no?

I'm no physicist, either. Just the fact that you remember/know what a force-velocity curve is provides me with all of the information I need to bow out of this argument. Back to my primary contribution to this thread - IF softball guy can set up a fight AND matuski will take it, I'll pay for matuski to get from San Antonio to Milwaukee and back any time they can coordinate calendars. We've been through every possible scenario. Let's either kill this or [MillsLane]let's get it on![/MillsLane].

I had to look it up ...but I remembered that there was something relevant to sports that didn't directly parallel the F=MxA equation. As it turns out, it would seem that I'm on the wrong side of the argument:

from some guy named "Alwyn Cosgrove"...

You can bench press 400lbs. It takes you 4 seconds to complete the repetition.

I can only bench press 125lbs but it only takes me 0.5s to complete the repetition. Who's the strongest? You. Who would win a powerlifting competition? You.

But in a battle of who can apply their strength (in most sports - speed is king), like a boxing match - I'm 'stronger'. When the referee says "go" I'll be able to hit you with 125lbs of force in about 0.5s. You'd need 4s to apply the 400lbs of force.

In other words – you can produce a power output of 100lbs per second, while I am producing a power output of 250lbs per second. So in combat sports – I'd win (more velocity). But in powerlifting – you'd win (more force). Just because of training at different ends of the Mass x Acceleration equation.

How long does it take the stronger guy to press 125lbs? Just because he does a heavier weight slow does not mean he cant press the lighter weight fast.

Not enough information here to determine anything.

Although I will guarantee that anyone who can bench press 400 lbs will punch harder than a guy who can only bench press 125.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Ley me try this again as i have`nt gotten a response yet.....matuski how do you think you would fare against a 7 foot 350lb guy in a fight ???Would you think your speed would be greater and your punch just as effective as his ???

I cant possibly respond to each individual's scenario. But yes, no.

My question is can YOU beat a much larger man ??? He would obviously throw you around like a rag doll . Could you hurt him by punching him??? If so whats the difference between this and a smaller man fighting you???

 

[matuski]

Ley me try this again as i have`nt gotten a response yet.....matuski how do you think you would fare against a 7 foot 350lb guy in a fight ???Would you think your speed would be greater and your punch just as effective as his ???

I cant possibly respond to each individual's scenario. But yes, no.

My question is can YOU beat a much larger man ??? He would obviously throw you around like a rag doll . Could you hurt him by punching him??? If so whats the difference between this and a smaller man fighting you???

Obviously I would be at a huge disadvantage against him. If he got a hold of me I'd be screwed.

 

[The Z Machine]

Seattle may still have a chance... but I have no reason to go to milwaukee.

Why not?I think we could find an FBG to let you crash at their place and provide ground transportation. The only thing out of your pocket will be your insurance deductible.

 

[The Goat]

How can a 130 pound guy hit as hard as a 200 pound guy? Its called physics.

I am an avid bowhunter. I can shoot a 500 grain aluminum arrow at 260 feet per second, or I can shoot a 400 grain arrow at 300 fps. That light arrow is going to deliver more kinetic energy to the target that the much heavier, and slower arrow.

People routinely forget about the acceleration component of force = mass x acceleration and put way, way too much emphasis on the mass part of it.

I think that in boxing, mass is at least equally, if not more, important. Just the size of a 200-lb guy's arm is going to make a huge difference.

Uhm, pretty sure this has been worked out extensively before today. In calculating force, mass and acceleration are exactly equally important. One, by definition, cannot be "more important" that the other.

While I'm noit a physicist, I would think the force-velocity curve would come into play here, no?

I'm no physicist, either. Just the fact that you remember/know what a force-velocity curve is provides me with all of the information I need to bow out of this argument. Back to my primary contribution to this thread - IF softball guy can set up a fight AND matuski will take it, I'll pay for matuski to get from San Antonio to Milwaukee and back any time they can coordinate calendars. We've been through every possible scenario. Let's either kill this or [MillsLane]let's get it on![/MillsLane].

I had to look it up ...but I remembered that there was something relevant to sports that didn't directly parallel the F=MxA equation. As it turns out, it would seem that I'm on the wrong side of the argument:

from some guy named "Alwyn Cosgrove"...

You can bench press 400lbs. It takes you 4 seconds to complete the repetition.

I can only bench press 125lbs but it only takes me 0.5s to complete the repetition. Who's the strongest? You. Who would win a powerlifting competition? You.

But in a battle of who can apply their strength (in most sports - speed is king), like a boxing match - I'm 'stronger'. When the referee says "go" I'll be able to hit you with 125lbs of force in about 0.5s. You'd need 4s to apply the 400lbs of force.

In other words – you can produce a power output of 100lbs per second, while I am producing a power output of 250lbs per second. So in combat sports – I'd win (more velocity). But in powerlifting – you'd win (more force). Just because of training at different ends of the Mass x Acceleration equation.

How long does it take the stronger guy to press 125lbs? Just because he does a heavier weight slow does not mean he cant press the lighter weight fast.

Hey...I didn't write it...I think the point was that this was supposed to be "as fast as guy A could move a lighter max bench" not being as important as "as much weight as guy B could move a much heavier weigh more slowly."...the inverse argument was the striking power equation.

 

[Stanley Spadowski]

Royce Gracie vs. Akebono

 

[The Goat]

How can a 130 pound guy hit as hard as a 200 pound guy? Its called physics.

I am an avid bowhunter. I can shoot a 500 grain aluminum arrow at 260 feet per second, or I can shoot a 400 grain arrow at 300 fps. That light arrow is going to deliver more kinetic energy to the target that the much heavier, and slower arrow.

People routinely forget about the acceleration component of force = mass x acceleration and put way, way too much emphasis on the mass part of it.

I think that in boxing, mass is at least equally, if not more, important. Just the size of a 200-lb guy's arm is going to make a huge difference.

Uhm, pretty sure this has been worked out extensively before today. In calculating force, mass and acceleration are exactly equally important. One, by definition, cannot be "more important" that the other.

While I'm noit a physicist, I would think the force-velocity curve would come into play here, no?

I'm no physicist, either. Just the fact that you remember/know what a force-velocity curve is provides me with all of the information I need to bow out of this argument. Back to my primary contribution to this thread - IF softball guy can set up a fight AND matuski will take it, I'll pay for matuski to get from San Antonio to Milwaukee and back any time they can coordinate calendars. We've been through every possible scenario. Let's either kill this or [MillsLane]let's get it on![/MillsLane].

I had to look it up ...but I remembered that there was something relevant to sports that didn't directly parallel the F=MxA equation. As it turns out, it would seem that I'm on the wrong side of the argument:

from some guy named "Alwyn Cosgrove"...

You can bench press 400lbs. It takes you 4 seconds to complete the repetition.

I can only bench press 125lbs but it only takes me 0.5s to complete the repetition. Who's the strongest? You. Who would win a powerlifting competition? You.

But in a battle of who can apply their strength (in most sports - speed is king), like a boxing match - I'm 'stronger'. When the referee says "go" I'll be able to hit you with 125lbs of force in about 0.5s. You'd need 4s to apply the 400lbs of force.

In other words – you can produce a power output of 100lbs per second, while I am producing a power output of 250lbs per second. So in combat sports – I'd win (more velocity). But in powerlifting – you'd win (more force). Just because of training at different ends of the Mass x Acceleration equation.

How long does it take the stronger guy to press 125lbs? Just because he does a heavier weight slow does not mean he cant press the lighter weight fast.

Not enough information here to determine anything.

Although I will guarantee that anyone who can bench press 400 lbs will punch harder than a guy who can only bench press 125.

Unless the weaker guy could punch with the acceleration of a rocket booster, I'm gonna have to agree with you here.

 

[mr. furley]

Royce Gracie vs. Akebono

all that shows me is a big fat guy can't just lay on top of a world class MMA fighter and hope to win.

 

[shake zula]

KO for the featherweight

 

[Ned]

this thread is ridiculous

 

[ChrisHenrysDD]

I've been doing a little networking, and I might be able to set you up with something in the San Antonio area. Would you do it?

 

[matuski]

I've been doing a little networking, and I might be able to set you up with something in the San Antonio area. Would you do it?

Lets talk. I am all for it assuming little things like my life don't get in the way.I have already contacted a couple gyms here, and one in Austin (there 2 days a week) - I will at least join for a month to see what goes on. A guy at my current gym boxes and he is also looking into it.From the looks of the gyms here in SA.. I am leaning towards the one in austin.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

 

[The Z Machine]

From the looks of the gyms here in SA.. I am leaning towards the one in austin.

What does this mean?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

From the looks of the gyms here in SA.. I am leaning towards the one in austin.

What does this mean?

I think it means he really does`nt want to go and fight someone just to see who`s tougher(unless the $$$$ is good,which i have heard no mention of)....not much different than fighting over a pool game or if someone is eyeballing you at a bar = stooopiddd

 

[Joe Bryant]

Royce Gracie vs. Akebono

This would be the best matuski could hope for. Aside from the whole thing you're not understanding about the boxing part, the grappling is tilted even more in the MMA guy's favor.

Unfortunately, you have arms and legs sticking out that do not like to bent in certain ways. These guys specialize into manuevering you into positions that are not good for you. It's like a chess match. They are Kasparov and you've had chess explained to you in your corner. And checkmate is a dislocated elbow.

J

 

[Dreamer]

I've been doing a little networking, and I might be able to set you up with something in the San Antonio area. Would you do it?

Lets talk. I am all for it assuming little things like my life don't get in the way.I have already contacted a couple gyms here, and one in Austin (there 2 days a week) - I will at least join for a month to see what goes on. A guy at my current gym boxes and he is also looking into it.From the looks of the gyms here in SA.. I am leaning towards the one in austin.

How's the training going?

 

[matuski]

I've been doing a little networking, and I might be able to set you up with something in the San Antonio area. Would you do it?

Lets talk. I am all for it assuming little things like my life don't get in the way.I have already contacted a couple gyms here, and one in Austin (there 2 days a week) - I will at least join for a month to see what goes on. A guy at my current gym boxes and he is also looking into it.From the looks of the gyms here in SA.. I am leaning towards the one in austin.

How's the training going?

It isn't. Taking all I got not to gain weight right now.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I've been doing a little networking, and I might be able to set you up with something in the San Antonio area. Would you do it?

Lets talk. I am all for it assuming little things like my life don't get in the way.I have already contacted a couple gyms here, and one in Austin (there 2 days a week) - I will at least join for a month to see what goes on. A guy at my current gym boxes and he is also looking into it.From the looks of the gyms here in SA.. I am leaning towards the one in austin.

How's the training going?

It isn't. Taking all I got not to gain weight right now.

Wise move. It is very much in your best interest to continue finding excuses not to do this.J

 

[Heavy B]

How can a 130 pound guy hit as hard as a 200 pound guy? Its called physics.

I am an avid bowhunter. I can shoot a 500 grain aluminum arrow at 260 feet per second, or I can shoot a 400 grain arrow at 300 fps. That light arrow is going to deliver more kinetic energy to the target that the much heavier, and slower arrow.

People routinely forget about the acceleration component of force = mass x acceleration and put way, way too much emphasis on the mass part of it.

I think that in boxing, mass is at least equally, if not more, important. Just the size of a 200-lb guy's arm is going to make a huge difference.

Uhm, pretty sure this has been worked out extensively before today. In calculating force, mass and acceleration are exactly equally important. One, by definition, cannot be "more important" that the other.

While I'm noit a physicist, I would think the force-velocity curve would come into play here, no?

I'm no physicist, either. Just the fact that you remember/know what a force-velocity curve is provides me with all of the information I need to bow out of this argument. Back to my primary contribution to this thread - IF softball guy can set up a fight AND matuski will take it, I'll pay for matuski to get from San Antonio to Milwaukee and back any time they can coordinate calendars. We've been through every possible scenario. Let's either kill this or [MillsLane]let's get it on![/MillsLane].

I had to look it up ...but I remembered that there was something relevant to sports that didn't directly parallel the F=MxA equation. As it turns out, it would seem that I'm on the wrong side of the argument:

from some guy named "Alwyn Cosgrove"...

You can bench press 400lbs. It takes you 4 seconds to complete the repetition.

I can only bench press 125lbs but it only takes me 0.5s to complete the repetition. Who's the strongest? You. Who would win a powerlifting competition? You.

But in a battle of who can apply their strength (in most sports - speed is king), like a boxing match - I'm 'stronger'. When the referee says "go" I'll be able to hit you with 125lbs of force in about 0.5s. You'd need 4s to apply the 400lbs of force.

In other words – you can produce a power output of 100lbs per second, while I am producing a power output of 250lbs per second. So in combat sports – I'd win (more velocity). But in powerlifting – you'd win (more force). Just because of training at different ends of the Mass x Acceleration equation.

How long does it take the stronger guy to press 125lbs? Just because he does a heavier weight slow does not mean he cant press the lighter weight fast.

Not enough information here to determine anything.

Although I will guarantee that anyone who can bench press 400 lbs will punch harder than a guy who can only bench press 125.

All that you can guarantee from the stated data set is that the guy who can bench 400 can bench more than the guy who can bench 125. Common sense tells us it may be true that 400man punches harder than 125man but it is also a very extreme example. Any athletic guy and particularly a trained fighter can bench more than 125. The example plays to extremes. Also - are we talking about a situation where one can pull one's fist as far back as possible and just physically throw the hardest punch? Because I'd go with 400man in that scenario. But in a boxing situation if one were to do that it may well mean a visit to the emergency room.

It also leaves out all of the body mechanics included in a good punch including the snap that brings it back for defense.

How about this: Lennox Lewis in his prime versus the winner of the world's strongest man competition during the same year. Who punches harder in a boxing situation?

Or any trained boxer versus a powerlifter of his same weight. Who punches harder in a boxing situation?

 

[mr. furley]

Also - are we talking about a situation where one can pull one's fist as far back as possible and just physically throw the hardest punch? Because I'd go with 400man in that scenario. But in a boxing situation if one were to do that it may well mean a visit to the emergency room. It also leaves out all of the body mechanics included in a good punch including the snap that brings it back for defense. How about this: Lennox Lewis in his prime versus the winner of the world's strongest man competition during the same year. Who punches harder in a boxing situation?Or any trained boxer versus a powerlifter of his same weight. Who punches harder in a boxing situation?

KO punches = fast, compact and snappy. long does nothing.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Bottom line is they have different weight classes for a reason....5-10 lb`s can make a HUGE difference in a boxing match...the bigger guy having the advantage...it`s been well documented and proven for decades...a good big man always beats a good little man.

 

[Corporation]

Bottom line is they have different weight classes for a reason....5-10 lb`s can make a HUGE difference in a boxing match...the bigger guy having the advantage...it`s been well documented and proven for decades...a good big man always beats a good little man.

And...a good little man always beats a big man who has no stinking clue what he's doing.

 

[Otis]

I've been doing a little networking, and I might be able to set you up with something in the San Antonio area. Would you do it?

Lets talk. I am all for it assuming little things like my life don't get in the way.I have already contacted a couple gyms here, and one in Austin (there 2 days a week) - I will at least join for a month to see what goes on. A guy at my current gym boxes and he is also looking into it.From the looks of the gyms here in SA.. I am leaning towards the one in austin.

How's the training going?

It isn't. Taking all I got not to gain weight right now.

Wise move. It is very much in your best interest to continue finding excuses not to do this.J

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Bottom line is they have different weight classes for a reason....5-10 lb`s can make a HUGE difference in a boxing match...the bigger guy having the advantage...it`s been well documented and proven for decades...a good big man always beats a good little man.

And...a good little man always beats a big man who has no stinking clue what he's doing.

In a street fight most likely...in a boxing match un-likely.No way does a world class light heavyweight (at his natural weight of 175)beat a worldclass heavyweight in a fight(dont bother using Roy jones vs Ruiz...Jones officially weighed in at 193 lb and Ruiz at 226 lb...Ruiz is NOT a worldclass fighter...he`s a glorified club fighter who fought a blown up lightheavy and fading Holyfield.Street fighting is a different species all together...anything can happen.

 

[HarryManback]

Bottom line is they have different weight classes for a reason....5-10 lb`s can make a HUGE difference in a boxing match...the bigger guy having the advantage...it`s been well documented and proven for decades...a good big man always beats a good little man.

And...a good little man always beats a big man who has no stinking clue what he's doing.

In a street fight most likely...in a boxing match un-likely.No way does a world class light heavyweight (at his natural weight of 175)beat a worldclass heavyweight in a fight(dont bother using Roy jones vs Ruiz...Jones officially weighed in at 193 lb and Ruiz at 226 lb...Ruiz is NOT a worldclass fighter...he`s a glorified club fighter who fought a blown up lightheavy and fading Holyfield.Street fighting is a different species all together...anything can happen.

What the hell are you talking about?He said a big man who has no clue what he's doing and all of a sudden your talking about world class heavyweights? Don't be so eager to prove yourself right.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Bottom line is they have different weight classes for a reason....5-10 lb`s can make a HUGE difference in a boxing match...the bigger guy having the advantage...it`s been well documented and proven for decades...a good big man always beats a good little man.

And...a good little man always beats a big man who has no stinking clue what he's doing.

In a street fight most likely...in a boxing match un-likely.No way does a world class light heavyweight (at his natural weight of 175)beat a worldclass heavyweight in a fight(dont bother using Roy jones vs Ruiz...Jones officially weighed in at 193 lb and Ruiz at 226 lb...Ruiz is NOT a worldclass fighter...he`s a glorified club fighter who fought a blown up lightheavy and fading Holyfield.Street fighting is a different species all together...anything can happen.

What the hell are you talking about?He said a big man who has no clue what he's doing and all of a sudden your talking about world class heavyweights? Don't be so eager to prove yourself right.

Why does it have to be a big man with no clue...easy target? I`m talking about 2 guys fighting at equal ability...who would win...the bigger guy ''most likely''...anyone who knows what he`s doing is going to be better than someone who doesnt...in ANYTHING , not just fighting. I was under the impression this thread was about smaller guys beating bigger guys all things OTHER than size being equel....had i known it was about beating the crap out of people with no fighting experience at all than i would have left out the examples of a good big man will beat a good small man...kabeesh?

 

[Heavy B]

Also - are we talking about a situation where one can pull one's fist as far back as possible and just physically throw the hardest punch? Because I'd go with 400man in that scenario. But in a boxing situation if one were to do that it may well mean a visit to the emergency room. It also leaves out all of the body mechanics included in a good punch including the snap that brings it back for defense. How about this: Lennox Lewis in his prime versus the winner of the world's strongest man competition during the same year. Who punches harder in a boxing situation?Or any trained boxer versus a powerlifter of his same weight. Who punches harder in a boxing situation?

KO punches = fast, compact and snappy. long does nothing.

Agreed. My money is on the trained boxer vs the strongman at the same weight.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

kabeesh?

Kabob?Corned Beef?

 

[ready5]

i knew this guy whose roommate figured he would be good at boxing (worked the bags in the gym, got into barfights, etc). we all trooped down to this training invitational that a gym was hosting... about 20-30 gymrats who thought they could box, going up against a 50ish big old fat dude leaning against the ropes. i think maybe one or two of them landed a glove on him, but the rest barely got a shot off... technique/skill definitely count for something.