dboysrock94
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Have teams just figured out how to take him away now. Only one decent game in the last 5
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Whats the deal with welker? (1 Viewer)
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Ghost Rider
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His numbers going way down was very predictable. I called it in several threads. He is good, but not that good. That ridiculous shootout in Buffalo and the fluky 99-yard TD against Miami in Week 1 have inflated his overall numbers. Props to him for having those games, but I think we are seeing now, with teams going out of their way to shut him down, how good he really is. He is not some unstoppable force of nature (like Megatron) who can produce absurd numbers no matter what. True stud WRs score touchdowns, and Welker's touchdown to reception ratio is still very poor, even this year.
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David Yudkin
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I guess it al depends on what you define good as. He's not going to get 10-200-2 very often. He's been banged up, covered by CB1s, or double teamed lately (and facing mostly solid defensive teams as well).
In my PPR league, he still had 2 decent outings in the past 5 games. Stinkers against NYJ, PIT, and KC. He still has games against IND, DEN, and MIA. He should pick it up a notch if he is healthy down the stretch.
In my PPR league, he still had 2 decent outings in the past 5 games. Stinkers against NYJ, PIT, and KC. He still has games against IND, DEN, and MIA. He should pick it up a notch if he is healthy down the stretch.
Dought Man
Footballguy
No worries...he looks prime to bounce back this week. 170/3 looks possible. You know Brady and Bellicheck want to feed him.
Shutout
Footballguy
So are you saying his isn't "dominant"...hmmm?Good info on the ratio, but overall, people that really value Welker are PPR people, not TD leagues and every WR, even the dominant ones like Calvin, have stretches where they don't do what people think they will do. Welker has not caught a ton of balls the past few weeks; Calvin hasn't caught many TDs the past few weeks. It happens.
Overall, I think he has been a bit hurt and he has definitely had A LOT of attention paid to him. I think that is easily justified to say when arguably the best corner in the game draws him almost exclusively and every other team is bumping him with one and taking the short slant away with another player. That's noticing how good he is.
But the thing that works in Welker's favor that is getting ready to happen is the weather is shifting and teams are losing their depth. And if you look over the years when Welker is healthy, those two things generally work in his favor. Somewhere in the next few weeks, I would almost guarantee we are going to see him go off again and it will likely be against a non-divisonal opponent who has some depth issues. the problem, IMO, is not Welker, it is situational (like most guys at some point in the year).
Tony Reali
Footballguy
some dude in my PPR who had him untouchable just put him on the block today and is like "i got him in the 4th, he's great value, im looking for someone like gronkowski, newton, etc who has good value" (since we lose the draft pick of who we keep)
his idea of a good trade is to trade a guy with "good value" for a guy with better value, idiot.
his idea of a good trade is to trade a guy with "good value" for a guy with better value, idiot.
He's a WR, and virtually all WRs are inconsistent.It's extremely rare to have a guy like Calvin Johnson putting up 100+ and/or a TD (or multiple TDs) each week.It is much easier to scheme to take away a WR than a RB, as with double coverage you can prevent a WR from touching the ball. QBs and RBs are going to get their touches, it's just a matter of what they do with it. It's a lot easier to shut a guy down if you can prevent him from touching the ball.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Defs will shift to Gronk, then shift back to Welker, back to Gronk, Welker....
fightingillini
Footballguy
That might be true, but probably not in the redzone. Gronkowski is literally uncoverable in the redzone.As others have said, Welker is getting the #1CB, some double coverage, and Brady seeing that is practically impossible to cover both Gronkowski and Hernandez.....one of them is going to have a mismatch that's easily exploitable. Why force it to Welker when Gronkowski is wide open like he was on that 52 yard TD last night. Not sure where the defense was on that play.Welker's numbers are skewed by two big games. No way he's in Calvin's league.....but going forward, still no reason to believe he can't have a consistent 6 rec, 75 yds every week, with a TD every other week. So he's still a very viable option in a PPR league.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Last week was revis and this week was a game they could use him as a decoy while allowing him to recuperate without taking hits. Brady didn't even look at him until the last drive of the game. That showing was the game-plan. one that I predicted and was jumped on for it.
He's fine and any dropping him is likely going to regret it. He'll probably back in the game plan this week and will light it up against the eagles. My only fear is due to his injury history belichick minimizing atrition on him for the playoffs.
He's fine and any dropping him is likely going to regret it. He'll probably back in the game plan this week and will light it up against the eagles. My only fear is due to his injury history belichick minimizing atrition on him for the playoffs.
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A viable option in PPR? He has 213 points in my standard PPR league, only 7 behind Calvin, but almost 30 points better than the next guy. CJ is averaging 22 per game as the top WR and Welker has 4 games over 22 and also has games of 15, 16, and 17 which are way more than adequate for a WR1. Last night was his first bad game and I know he was banged up, so that may have a lot to do with it. His other two meh games were against NYJ and Pitt, two of the top pass defenses (Revis was on him). Calvin's last two weeks were marginally better than those two Welker meh games. With Gronk's big games, I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple real nice PPR games.He is way more than a viable option in PPR. He is still a 100% must start when healthy. Calvin is Calvin, but in PPR, Welker is the only one still close to him and aside from Philly, he has a nice schedule left, much better than the last 5 weeks. With Pitt and NYJ/Revis, the last 5 games were probably his tough stretch of the season.
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cubbie5150
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That old truism isn't so true this year. They're only giving up 3.9 recep, 38.1 yds & 0.4 TD per game to TEs.....good for 5th TOUGHEST D against TEs in PPR scoring
harryhood
Footballguy
Call me a cherry picker but I refuse to count a couple of those weeks, right or wrong. Week 1 and Week 3(Before Ballard was a focal point) should be tossed right out the window. Scott Chandler is also a terrible barometer.Show me a team with a LEGIT threat at TE, and I'll show you a team who had success utilizing him against Philly.Tony G (7/83/2)Vernon Davis (4/48/1)Fred Davis (6/95)Witten ( 4/28 in a game they came out and said they would remove him)Even this past week Ballard found a plethora of opportunities, however he couldn't catch a cold. Gronk is the best TE in the league right now, and if they couldn't cover the Tony G, how are they going to cover a guy who is bigger and faster?
So what's happened to him is predictable given his great early start this year. WR's can't keep that production level up forever.
That said, if a team wants to use CB#1 or take a guy out they can with few exceptions.
KC did not care that the TE's kicked their ### last night. It seemed all they knew was to shut down Welker.
Great it worked. However, they were down heavily in the second half and wound up losing big!
Brady will use any weapon he has at his disposal to beat you. He doesn't try to force it into a guy just to feed him.
When they take away Welker and Brady has no real deep threat, it's a TE and RB checkdown night.
As a Welker owner, I hope teams wake up and roll to the TE's and Welker gets room to run the short crossing patterns against the LB's.
That said, if a team wants to use CB#1 or take a guy out they can with few exceptions.
KC did not care that the TE's kicked their ### last night. It seemed all they knew was to shut down Welker.
Great it worked. However, they were down heavily in the second half and wound up losing big!
Brady will use any weapon he has at his disposal to beat you. He doesn't try to force it into a guy just to feed him.
When they take away Welker and Brady has no real deep threat, it's a TE and RB checkdown night.
As a Welker owner, I hope teams wake up and roll to the TE's and Welker gets room to run the short crossing patterns against the LB's.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
Look at what he did weeks 14-17 last year.
This is clearly where Moss made a difference to this team when he was there.No double teams on Welker.
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