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What's up with Da'rick Rogers (1 Viewer)
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Bigboy10182000
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I wasnt sure if situation would over-rule some things or not for some people. If Rogers was the #1 in Indy would that be enough to look past Hopkins being a first round pick and a #2 WR?
MoveToSkypager
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MoveToSkypager
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duaneok66
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Interesting from someone on twitter.
@ColtsAuth_Kyle: @Eross418 yes and no. Rogers isn't... well... smart. So reading coverages probably isn't ever going to be great.
@ColtsAuth_Kyle: @Eross418 yes and no. Rogers isn't... well... smart. So reading coverages probably isn't ever going to be great.
ConnSKINS26
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Lots of dumb guys, especially at WR, figure out how to beat defenses. If it all comes together, he'll be fine.
I'm pretty sure Gore has a learning disability, and yet he's a football savant. The coaches ask his opinions on all kinds of things related to scheme because football intelligence is different than "intelligence" in the classic sense of the word.
I'm pretty sure Gore has a learning disability, and yet he's a football savant. The coaches ask his opinions on all kinds of things related to scheme because football intelligence is different than "intelligence" in the classic sense of the word.
lod01
Footballguy
or not....
From ESPN.COM
“He’s the smartest football player I’ve ever coached besides Cris Carter,” Baggett said. “Cris Carter was the smartest as far as studying and knowing game and understanding the game. If Da’Rick learns to study the game, he’ll be the smartest football player on the Colts.”
That’s a pretty impressive name to be compared to, no matter who you are.
Bigboy10182000
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To play devils advocate that could be a big IF and his mental issues made him go undrafted.
lod01
Footballguy
the red flags for off the field stuff is what caused him to go undrafted. There are plenty of articles stating he is regarded as the #1 Wr in the 2013 class. He also was the only Wr to post top 5s in every drill at the combine that year.
pghrob
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Bigboy10182000
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
There's a difference between being unintelligent and being immature / having emotional issues.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
I like seeing where others got him as well.
Honestly.......and I own him in 5 of my 7 dynasties, I hated drafting him with a pick in the first round.
One league, where we drafted rooks in may, I took him at 1.13 in a 16 teamer. I say hated bc lets face it, talent withstanding, its a big timegamble taking an udfa in the first round. As his adp continued to sink into the summer, I snagged him with 3s and 4s.
2 leagues I plucked him after he got dumped by impatient owners. Only leagues I dont own him, jpeso snagged him, and I know he is not going to be dropping him nor letting him go cheaply
Milkman
Footballguy
I snagged him off the WW right before his big 2 TD game because of this thread. I will drop him if he gets kicked off/released from the colts but I anticipate him struggling a little next year as they move coverage his way so he's a hold all next year and beyond barring off field issues.
Watch him on tape. He's getting open+he's super physical+he has a young elite QB throwing to him. That's a special combination. Once Luck fully trusts this kid to be where he's supposed to be all the time. The sky is the limit.
Watch him on tape. He's getting open+he's super physical+he has a young elite QB throwing to him. That's a special combination. Once Luck fully trusts this kid to be where he's supposed to be all the time. The sky is the limit.
BeTheMatch
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So evidently Rogers is too dumb to play in the hurry-up then, and that's been their main offense lately so that's why he's a non-factor.
lod01
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BeTheMatch
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chook
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
They have been playing Hilton, Whalen and Brazil with Fleener for all but about 5-6 plays in first half.
lod01
Footballguy
You comment is lame regardless. He started the game and Luck threw zero passes to him week 17 as well. He played that week as much as any other WR. Ditto every week since. He may not be in there now but no matter, they obviously suck without him in there.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
maybe he should be in thwre
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Can't believe buffalo cut this guy. :(
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
From everything I've read then and since, Rogers was a total slacker in Buffalo. Wasn't learning the playbook, late to meetings, not staying late working on routes, etc. He likely would have failed in Buffalo. He needed to be cut to wake him up and get him to take it seriously. Not much the Bills could do about that.
Milkman
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Yeah plus Rogers still isn't out of the woods yet. This off season is huge for his development. Is he going to come in and put in the work he needs to with Luck or is he going to party.
I love his upside but I still think there is a significant chance he is out of the league next year. I mean he has no more chances left......
I love his upside but I still think there is a significant chance he is out of the league next year. I mean he has no more chances left......
King of the Jungle
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stronger88
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For those who missed his lone catch yesterday: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cNDGHy1yeTY/Usia2aCGMLI/AAAAAAAA_3k/ZDCsEeTXSDk/s1600/3.gif
Louche
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From what I read he was cut by the Bills because they felt that they had stronger options at WR and part of the reason Rogers lagged behind was that he made too many mental errors; like not being in the right place or running the wrong routes, as well as "sulking" when things did not go his way on the field. But I haven't read anything that says that was because of a lack of effort or disciplinary issues so I would be interested to hear where that has been written and who the source is. To me it just sounds like he was too raw and the Bills felt they had other young receivers that they preferred keeping around over Rogers.
When he was promoted from the Indy practice squad Pagano said; "You’ve got a talented football player…Now we are going to give him an opportunity because he’s earned it."
That does not sound like a guy who is showing up late for team meetings or not putting in the work on the practice field so whatever happened in college and with the Bills he certainly seems to be putting in the effort with his current team. An entire offseason with the Colts should do wonders for him and should put him in a much more competitive place to get playing time next season. It's not easy for any rookie WR, much less someone that has bounced around different teams and practice squads before finally getting on the roster in November. With that being said, no he is not out of the woods, but who is? The very nature of the NFL is highly volatile and unpredictable and there is no telling where he is in 9 months. He could be cut, he could be suspended, he could be injured, but I could also see him growing into the Colts' number one receiver and if that happens, with his talent and physique and Luck as a QB, the sky is the limit. I would say he is a definite hold and that owners should be patient with him at least for the first two thirds of next season. In some ways that will be his rookie season so he will likely not fly out of the gate.
When he was promoted from the Indy practice squad Pagano said; "You’ve got a talented football player…Now we are going to give him an opportunity because he’s earned it."
That does not sound like a guy who is showing up late for team meetings or not putting in the work on the practice field so whatever happened in college and with the Bills he certainly seems to be putting in the effort with his current team. An entire offseason with the Colts should do wonders for him and should put him in a much more competitive place to get playing time next season. It's not easy for any rookie WR, much less someone that has bounced around different teams and practice squads before finally getting on the roster in November. With that being said, no he is not out of the woods, but who is? The very nature of the NFL is highly volatile and unpredictable and there is no telling where he is in 9 months. He could be cut, he could be suspended, he could be injured, but I could also see him growing into the Colts' number one receiver and if that happens, with his talent and physique and Luck as a QB, the sky is the limit. I would say he is a definite hold and that owners should be patient with him at least for the first two thirds of next season. In some ways that will be his rookie season so he will likely not fly out of the gate.
Area51Inhabitant
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Doug Marrone was hardly biting his tongue whenever he would talk about Rogers in the pre season. He quite clearly was hoping for better effort from him and he felt that Da'Rick just wasn't bringing it every time. If he's turned over a new leaf with regard to his approach then good for him. I genuinely hope that he ultimately makes it in the league.King of the Jungle said:
Yitbos69
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Wayne is going to hit the wall at some point. Even if he comes back, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if there was a huge dropoff in production.
lod01
Footballguy
I could see Wayne in the slot with Rogers on the outside. Good for Wayne, not so much for Rogers. Hilton on the other side. Brazill and Whalen watching form the sidelines. Hilton has big play abilities but not size. Rogers has both. Hilton doesn't come down with that deep pass that Rogers caught. Brazill and Whalen are obviously inferior talents. Hopefully Wayne comes back for another season. Rogers could use that from a coaching perspective.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
He is still a talent but his issue is his head. If he can keep his nose clean in the offseason and work hard he may take a step forward. I'm not that trusting of him, however.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I was watching Jimmy Fallon last night where Griff Whalen got voted most likely to do "jazz hands" after a touchdown. I cracked up.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I love Wayne, but let's be honest here - to paraphrase a famous Shaq quote, "36 ain't 26." Wayne will turn 36 next season.
It's going to be rough for him to come back like he was from a torn ACL. There were only three players in the League that caught a pass and were older than Wayne - Tony Gonzalaz, Brandon Stokley and Brad Meester. Stokley only played 6 games and caught 13 passes. Meester is a lineman and caught one pass and Gonzalas seems to be a freak of nature.
If Wayne comes back as a #1 at 36 after ACL rehab, then it would be an epic feat. He'd have to be even more of a freak than Gonzalaz - he'd be getting into the Jerry Rice class when it came to being able to play at his age.
I wish Wayne the best, but I'm not holding him as a #1 in Fantasy.
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pizzatyme
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I certainly don't think Wayne would be a #1, but he'd be deadly in the slot and I could see him grabbing 70 passes. All of this, of course, if he's healthy.
He is always in top physical condition, so I have no worries there. He was having a very good season at 35, so again pending health, I think he can still be an integral part of the offense.
He is always in top physical condition, so I have no worries there. He was having a very good season at 35, so again pending health, I think he can still be an integral part of the offense.
lod01
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