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I was not saying that Wayne would be the #1 WR....he could be but TY is becoming pretty solid....but I think a 36 year old Wayne will be a much more productive #2 than Brazil....Now Rogers if he can keep his head on...that guy could be a #1 someday...but if Wayne comes back which I think he will...he will be at worst the #2 option in Indy's passing game
Tweets from guys that cover the Bills including Sal Cappacio, Joe Buscaglia and Brian Galliford.King of the Jungle said:
Ok, I see what you mean now. I'd agree with everything you said here, except that Wayne will be a #2 at worst if healthy. I think at worst he experiences a big drop off not only because he's 36, but because he's 36 coming back from a torn ACL. I think at worst he's #3, and best is #1, although I think the #1 status would be extremely unlikely.
My theory is that the HC didn't want a slow learning kid that didn't even spend an entire season with the offense to be put out there. He was rarely seen during the first half. But it seemed like he was all over the place in the second half, so perhaps the coaches decided to use their playmakers despite any mental deficiencies. It was a good call.
Slow learning kid? He's been with team less than a season and playing major snaps. That's a fast learner to me...
First, people I know at Tenn Tech referred to him as dim. Even if you don't care about that, there were reports from the Bills saying that he had mental lapses on the field like not running the correct routes and not responding to his coaches. Maybe none of this matters to you, and that's fine. I never said he couldn't or wouldn't learn how to play. I believe that he'll be a good player despite the reports, just passing on what I thought was the reason for him not playing much in the first half of the Chiefs game. Maybe you have a better idea and I'd love to read about it.
Experience? Packages and a pace they hadn't run very frequently, because you know they aren't down 30 that often?
Can't you guys both be right? I believe it's entirely possible that he seemed dim at Tennessee Tech because maybe he had at that pt already determined that he was good enough to play in the NFL so his motivation was not where it needed to be... Then it's entirely possible that when he landed in Buffalo in a situation once again where he may have been unmotivated for whatever reason that again his work ethic could have been called into question... Perhaps a new regime and a coach that preaches competition at every spot like Marone and the fact that despite his talent he was an UDFA kinda pissed him off or whatever. Maybe he was sulking... I also think that getting cut again and finally ending up in an ideal situation in Indy with stud Andrew Luck and a realization that this TRULY may be his final shot might have been enough (at least for a while) to motivate him to live up to his potential and actually work hard for once and apply himself... I believe all of that is plausible...ROYALWITCHEESE said:
I never said "he" was "wrong". But "he" was insistent on telling me I was. That's "cool" I guess. I think your post makes plenty of sense.
Pretty sure I've heard AJ Green ain't the sharpest knife in the place where they put the knives either but that hasn't seemed to hinder him much either
The Colts offense is not really the problem though...what they need to do in the upcoming draft is put some plugs in that leaky defense. When they concede 87 pts over two playoff games and they have the 20th ranked defense on the regular season playing one of the softest schedules (ranked 3rd in ease of schedule), it would surprise me if defense is not their top priority in the draft. Luck is the kind of QB that elevates his receivers and he has shown that he can move their offense even with the unplanned WR situation they found themselves in this season, but with that kind of defense... Rogers was a practice squad player a couple of months ago, signed off the street, and yesterday he started a divisional round playoff game in Foxborough. I think that says all that needs to be said in terms of what the Colts think of him.
I don't.
No, but I think that has a limited effect on how the coaching staff evaluates him. His performance on the field will be seen in light of his limited time with the team. How many of the rookie WRs this season grew into their respective offenses? Keenan Allen. Patterson towards the end of the season. Hopkins had some good periods but disappeared in other games (6 games with two or less receptions) and finished the season with only 2 TDs. Austin, Williams and Hunter flashed at certain times. Anyone else worth mentioning? And these guys had a full offseason and regular season to prepare and work their way in. Rogers' role for 2014 will be based on how they view his talent, his effort in practice, and his performance during training camp and preseason - not his performance in the playoffs.
I presume they were speaking in a football context, but I know I shouldn't even try with this ####.
He has been with the team seven games, including the playoffs. In Cordarrelle Patterson's first seven games he averaged 1,86 catches a game for 19 yards per game for 0 TD receptions. One simply can't put a whole lot of value in the early production of a rookie WR when discussing dynasty potential. What a lot of people, me included, see in Da'Rick Rogers is a player that if he pans out has the potential to be a top 12 WR based on his height, physical tools, player type and playing with a QB like Luck. There are a lot of ifs but I would much rather have a high risk / high ceiling player on my fringe roster spots rather than a more established WR with average production that will never be able to knock it out of the park.
Hi Troll,
I ran through the game again just to watch Rogers' snaps. 15 of his snaps came in the first half.
Great post, Match. Thank you. It's gems like this - actual info on the player I didn't get to see - that makes the trip to the forums worth it.
I agree with all this and I realize that we might be playing very different formats. I play deep IDP salary cap dynasty leagues where I play 2-3 WRs and usually roster 5-8 WRs. I would never pick up Rogers in a spot where I need consistent production out of that spot for the 2014 season. However, for the WR5, 6 and 7 spot I've been signing Rogers off waivers in every league I'm in. FF is about having as many peaks on the roster as possible. It is better to have a WR1 and a WR3 instead of two WR2s. It is better to trade two good players for a great one. Although a longshot and a risk, even the slightest potential of him becoming a WR1 or WR2 makes it worthwhile for me to roster Rogers as a WR5 or lower even though there are other options available who currently put up much better production.
:goodpsoting: Sits at the end of the bench waiting to see what 2014 brings. Anyone who owns this guys has probably given up zero to have him on their team. To trade him is the only way it can blow up in their faces.
thanks for the insult.lod01 said:
that's totally fine and understandable. They probably don't tell people they're awful because they disagree either
Dynasty rankings are skewed by age. With the exception of Tate, that list is older or injury prone or in the case of Jones - a known quantity with limited upside.
