What's up with Indy's Injury report? (1 Viewer)

[SSOG]

I just saw the injury report for Indianapolis this week...

DT Montae Reagor Head Out*

DT Raheem Brock Elbow Questionable

DE Dwight Freeney Shoulder Questionable

G Dylan Gandy Shoulder Questionable

LB Gilbert Gardner Thumb Questionable

DB Nicholas Harper Ribs Questionable

DT Dan Klecko Low Back Questionable

DE Ryan LaCasse Foot Questionable

G Ryan Lilja Knee Questionable

WR Aaron Moorehead Back Questionable

LB Keith O’Neil Ankle Questionable*

DT Darrell Reid Chest Questionable

S Bob Sanders Knee Questionable

C Jeff Saturday Low Back Questionable

P Hunter Smith Right Groin Questionable

WR Brandon Stokley Knee Questionable*

DE Josh Thomas Ankle Questionable

TE Ben Utecht Low Back Questionable

K Adam Vinatieri Right Groin Questionable

WR Terrence Wilkins Shin Questionable

20 players listed? 19 of them listed as questionable? Something's rotten in the state of Denmark. I never thought of Indy as a team that played games with its injury report (like New England and Tennessee), so what's going on here?

Could any homers chime in? Are all of those injuries legitimately questionable? Or is Indianapolis trying to get cute here?

A note: Only Reagor, Stokley, and O'Neil missed a portion of team practices, so there's officially something screwy going on here. No way all of those players practiced but none of them are probable. Could a Colts homer chime in with which injuries are legit and which are Dungy being a tool?

 

[AcousticNut]

I just saw the injury report for Indianapolis this week...DT Montae Reagor Head Out*DT Raheem Brock Elbow QuestionableDE Dwight Freeney Shoulder QuestionableG Dylan Gandy Shoulder QuestionableLB Gilbert Gardner Thumb QuestionableDB Nicholas Harper Ribs QuestionableDT Dan Klecko Low Back QuestionableDE Ryan LaCasse Foot QuestionableG Ryan Lilja Knee QuestionableWR Aaron Moorehead Back QuestionableLB Keith O’Neil Ankle Questionable*DT Darrell Reid Chest QuestionableS Bob Sanders Knee QuestionableC Jeff Saturday Low Back QuestionableP Hunter Smith Right Groin QuestionableWR Brandon Stokley Knee Questionable*DE Josh Thomas Ankle QuestionableTE Ben Utecht Low Back QuestionableK Adam Vinatieri Right Groin QuestionableWR Terrence Wilkins Shin Questionable 20 players listed? 19 of them listed as questionable? Something's rotten in the state of Denmark. I never thought of Indy as a team that played games with its injury report (like New England and Tennessee), so what's going on here?Could any homers chime in? Are all of those injuries legitimately questionable? Or is Indianapolis trying to get cute here?A note: Only Reagor, Stokley, and O'Neil missed a portion of team practices, so there's officially something screwy going on here. No way all of those players practiced but none of them are probable. Could a Colts homer chime in with which injuries are legit and which are Dungy being a tool?

It was the same deal last week as well. They had 21 players listed on the injury report.... 21 questionable. Didn't see how many actually missed the game though.

 

[djcolts]

They've done this all season. I think they are copying the Patriots here.

 

[H.K.]

They've done this all season. I think they are copying the Patriots here.

Injury reports are becoming great shtick. Coaches must have a competition for who can get the most questionable players on each week without getting reprimanded by the league. I bet they all kick money into a pot and pay out the winner at the end of the year.

 

[Wadsworth]

The colts have been doing it all year, it's a good guess that Polian is trying to make a point about the Pats, and I'm betting it wouldn't be going on if there wasn't a rookie commish.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Again, FWIW, there is a bit of misconception here. Last season, the overall play rate of fantasy starters listed as questionable was 50.4%. New England had the second largest number of Questionable fantasy starters listed, at 31. But only 16 of those 31 actually played, or 51.6%. So they weren't very far above the league wide play rate. Tennessee, on the other hand, listed a league high 44 fantasy starters as Questionable and 32 of those 44 played, or 72.7%. So they were the real "sneaky" team, if you want to call it that. It seems like Indy is really copying the Jeff Fisher playbook here.

 

[Whizzinator]

Yeah, they are trying to make a point but

1. They are going far beyond what NE does

2. The Pats aren't even close to the most abusive team of the injury report...the issue is mis-listing guys not listing a lot of them. Some teams actually do have a lot of guys hurt.

 

[SSOG]

They've done this all season. I think they are copying the Patriots here.

As has been mentioned, the "everyone is questionable" schtick is Tennessee's deal. Fisher always lists EVERYONE as either "questionable" or "out" (never probable or doubtful), saying that everyone's 50/50 because either they play or they don't. New England's schtick is that they act as if anyone learning the slightest detail about any of their injuries will just doom their season. Injuries are always referred to by a general indication of what body part they are on (everyone's either "questionable- leg" or "probable- arm" or "doubtful- head", etc). And Bellichick freaks out if another team offers to help his players who have just been potentially very seriously injured, because he'd rather refuse better medical facilities and risk that player's career just as long as it doesn't give the other team any insight into his player's injury. Like it matters if anyone knows why, exactly, Matt Light isn't playing.

 

[Whizzinator]

And Bellichick freaks out if another team offers to help his players who have just been potentially very seriously injured, because he'd rather refuse better medical facilities and risk that player's career just as long as it doesn't give the other team any insight into his player's injury.

I don't think he's ever jeopardized a player's care in any way like this, but since you think he has can you provide specfics?He clearly is insane about injury info, though, and I don't really understand why.

 

[elpasotexan]

They've done this all year. I think the second or third week they listed someone as Questionable - Tooth. there was a thread on it. They're overdoing it now.

 

[SSOG]

And Bellichick freaks out if another team offers to help his players who have just been potentially very seriously injured, because he'd rather refuse better medical facilities and risk that player's career just as long as it doesn't give the other team any insight into his player's injury.

I don't think he's ever jeopardized a player's care in any way like this, but since you think he has can you provide specfics?He clearly is insane about injury info, though, and I don't really understand why.

Last year at Pittsburgh. Matt Light got very seriously injured, and a Pittsburgh trainer came over to offer his help (since Pittsburgh was the home team, they had access to superior medical facilities). Bellichick freaked out and chased him off the field.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

And Bellichick freaks out if another team offers to help his players who have just been potentially very seriously injured, because he'd rather refuse better medical facilities and risk that player's career just as long as it doesn't give the other team any insight into his player's injury.

I don't think he's ever jeopardized a player's care in any way like this, but since you think he has can you provide specfics?He clearly is insane about injury info, though, and I don't really understand why.

Last year at Pittsburgh. Matt Light got very seriously injured, and a Pittsburgh trainer came over to offer his help (since Pittsburgh was the home team, they had access to superior medical facilities). Bellichick freaked out and chased him off the field.

I remember this. Not one of Bellichick's shining moments.....

 

[Whizzinator]

And Bellichick freaks out if another team offers to help his players who have just been potentially very seriously injured, because he'd rather refuse better medical facilities and risk that player's career just as long as it doesn't give the other team any insight into his player's injury.

I don't think he's ever jeopardized a player's care in any way like this, but since you think he has can you provide specfics?He clearly is insane about injury info, though, and I don't really understand why.

Last year at Pittsburgh. Matt Light got very seriously injured, and a Pittsburgh trainer came over to offer his help (since Pittsburgh was the home team, they had access to superior medical facilities). Bellichick freaked out and chased him off the field.

1. The Pittsburgh trainer doesn't know anything the Pats trainer doesn't.2. Light did not have an injury that required instant testing (he had a broken leg---waiting a bit makes no difference with that injury); he did go to a Pittsburgh hospital, which (in fact) has better facilities than the Pittsburgh stadium anyway3. The Pats trainer can use the facilities at the Pittsburgh stadium 4. Light will get better care in the Boston hospitals than the Pittsburgh stadium facility anyway5. In no way was Light's 'career at risk' hereIn other words, get a grip. I'm sorry your trainer was waived off, and if you want to say Belichick was a jerk for doing so that's fine. But the rest of what you said---ridiculous hyperbole.

 

[ATC1]

And Bellichick freaks out if another team offers to help his players who have just been potentially very seriously injured, because he'd rather refuse better medical facilities and risk that player's career just as long as it doesn't give the other team any insight into his player's injury.

I don't think he's ever jeopardized a player's care in any way like this, but since you think he has can you provide specfics?He clearly is insane about injury info, though, and I don't really understand why.

Last year at Pittsburgh. Matt Light got very seriously injured, and a Pittsburgh trainer came over to offer his help (since Pittsburgh was the home team, they had access to superior medical facilities). Bellichick freaked out and chased him off the field.

1. The Pittsburgh trainer doesn't know anything the Pats trainer doesn't.2. Light did not have an injury that required instant testing (he had a broken leg---waiting a bit makes no difference with that injury); he did go to a Pittsburgh hospital, which (in fact) has better facilities than the Pittsburgh stadium anyway3. The Pats trainer can use the facilities at the Pittsburgh stadium 4. Light will get better care in the Boston hospitals than the Pittsburgh stadium facility anyway5. In no way was Light's 'career at risk' hereIn other words, get a grip. I'm sorry your trainer was waived off, and if you want to say Belichick was a jerk for doing so that's fine. But the rest of what you said---ridiculous hyperbole.

How did he know it was not life threatening. It could have severed an atery or something like that. Plus the PIT staff has the keys to the cart or wanted to see if they can help in anyway. What could the PIT trainer do to harm Light, the game plan of NE, or anyone on the NE staff. Did Bilicheck think he was over there to break his other leg? Besides if the trainer does do something stupid he would lose his certification.

 

[Whizzinator]

And Bellichick freaks out if another team offers to help his players who have just been potentially very seriously injured, because he'd rather refuse better medical facilities and risk that player's career just as long as it doesn't give the other team any insight into his player's injury.

I don't think he's ever jeopardized a player's care in any way like this, but since you think he has can you provide specfics?He clearly is insane about injury info, though, and I don't really understand why.

Last year at Pittsburgh. Matt Light got very seriously injured, and a Pittsburgh trainer came over to offer his help (since Pittsburgh was the home team, they had access to superior medical facilities). Bellichick freaked out and chased him off the field.

1. The Pittsburgh trainer doesn't know anything the Pats trainer doesn't.2. Light did not have an injury that required instant testing (he had a broken leg---waiting a bit makes no difference with that injury); he did go to a Pittsburgh hospital, which (in fact) has better facilities than the Pittsburgh stadium anyway3. The Pats trainer can use the facilities at the Pittsburgh stadium 4. Light will get better care in the Boston hospitals than the Pittsburgh stadium facility anyway5. In no way was Light's 'career at risk' hereIn other words, get a grip. I'm sorry your trainer was waived off, and if you want to say Belichick was a jerk for doing so that's fine. But the rest of what you said---ridiculous hyperbole.

How did he know it was not life threatening. It could have severed an atery or something like that. Plus the PIT staff has the keys to the cart or wanted to see if they can help in anyway. What could the PIT trainer do to harm Light, the game plan of NE, or anyone on the NE staff. Did Bilicheck think he was over there to break his other leg? Besides if the trainer does do something stupid he would lose his certification.

Think about it a bit.....if the Pats trainer couldn't assess whether it was life threatening, how was the Pittsburgh trainer supposed to do so? Silly.If you are arguing that the Pitt trainer wouldn't allow anyone to use the med facilities other than them, that's fine---but it changes who looks like a 'bad guy here' obviously as well.I don't think it's necessary for Belichick to waive off a trainer from another team; to me, that's something he shouldn't worry about as to me it's pretty obvious that the trainer is just going to try to help. But what you and SSOG suggest is that doing so endangered the player and that's ridiculous (and, I'd note, completely unsupported as well). There's a big difference there. When people argue that a garden-variety broken bone is 'career threatening' and 'life threatening' it's a good indication that you've forgotten what happened and instead are just ranting about a coach you apparently don't like.

 

[Slum Lord]

just saw the injury report for Indianapolis this week...DT Montae Reagor Head Out*DT Raheem Brock Elbow QuestionableDE Dwight Freeney Shoulder QuestionableG Dylan Gandy Shoulder QuestionableLB Gilbert Gardner Thumb QuestionableDB Nicholas Harper Ribs QuestionableDT Dan Klecko Low Back QuestionableDE Ryan LaCasse Foot QuestionableG Ryan Lilja Knee QuestionableWR Aaron Moorehead Back QuestionableLB Keith O’Neil Ankle Questionable*DT Darrell Reid Chest QuestionableS Bob Sanders Knee QuestionableC Jeff Saturday Low Back QuestionableP Hunter Smith Right Groin QuestionableWR Brandon Stokley Knee Questionable*DE Josh Thomas Ankle QuestionableTE Ben Utecht Low Back QuestionableK Adam Vinatieri Right Groin QuestionableWR Terrence Wilkins Shin Questionable 20 players listed? 19 of them listed as questionable? Something's rotten in the state of Denmark. I never thought of Indy as a team that played games with its injury report (like New England and Tennessee), so what's going on here?

I saw this too and just figured they got fined for not reporting someone that was actually injured.

 

[SSOG]

And Bellichick freaks out if another team offers to help his players who have just been potentially very seriously injured, because he'd rather refuse better medical facilities and risk that player's career just as long as it doesn't give the other team any insight into his player's injury.

I don't think he's ever jeopardized a player's care in any way like this, but since you think he has can you provide specfics?He clearly is insane about injury info, though, and I don't really understand why.

Last year at Pittsburgh. Matt Light got very seriously injured, and a Pittsburgh trainer came over to offer his help (since Pittsburgh was the home team, they had access to superior medical facilities). Bellichick freaked out and chased him off the field.

1. The Pittsburgh trainer doesn't know anything the Pats trainer doesn't.2. Light did not have an injury that required instant testing (he had a broken leg---waiting a bit makes no difference with that injury); he did go to a Pittsburgh hospital, which (in fact) has better facilities than the Pittsburgh stadium anyway3. The Pats trainer can use the facilities at the Pittsburgh stadium 4. Light will get better care in the Boston hospitals than the Pittsburgh stadium facility anyway5. In no way was Light's 'career at risk' hereIn other words, get a grip. I'm sorry your trainer was waived off, and if you want to say Belichick was a jerk for doing so that's fine. But the rest of what you said---ridiculous hyperbole.

*MY* trainer wasn't waived off. *MY* trainer was otherwise occupied taking care of the players on *MY* team. The Denver Broncos.Anyway, the Pittsburgh trainer might not know anything the Pats trainer doesn't, but he has more immediate access with better facilities that he is also more familiar with. And as for saying Light's season or career wasn't at risk... any injury, if improperly treated, can end a career. I've seen broken bones end careers before. Ed McCaffrey broke his leg and was very clearly never the same player again afterwards. Tyrone Prothro at Alabama broke his ankle last year and will probably never play football again. Joe Theismann's career was ended by a broken leg. Call it hyperbole all you want, but Light had an injury that has, in the past, ended careers; therefore, Light had a career-threatening injury.

 

[diesel7982]

This isnt any different than it was last week.

 

[butcher boy]

Questionable is the new probable.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

And Bellichick freaks out if another team offers to help his players who have just been potentially very seriously injured, because he'd rather refuse better medical facilities and risk that player's career just as long as it doesn't give the other team any insight into his player's injury.

I don't think he's ever jeopardized a player's care in any way like this, but since you think he has can you provide specfics?He clearly is insane about injury info, though, and I don't really understand why.

Last year at Pittsburgh. Matt Light got very seriously injured, and a Pittsburgh trainer came over to offer his help (since Pittsburgh was the home team, they had access to superior medical facilities). Bellichick freaked out and chased him off the field.

1. The Pittsburgh trainer doesn't know anything the Pats trainer doesn't.2. Light did not have an injury that required instant testing (he had a broken leg---waiting a bit makes no difference with that injury); he did go to a Pittsburgh hospital, which (in fact) has better facilities than the Pittsburgh stadium anyway

3. The Pats trainer can use the facilities at the Pittsburgh stadium

4. Light will get better care in the Boston hospitals than the Pittsburgh stadium facility anyway

5. In no way was Light's 'career at risk' here

In other words, get a grip. I'm sorry your trainer was waived off, and if you want to say Belichick was a jerk for doing so that's fine. But the rest of what you said---ridiculous hyperbole.

Yet, you knew it was broken right away?

 

[SSOG]

This isnt any different than it was last week.

Well, I didn't read Indy's injury report last week.

 

[Whizzinator]

SSOG, all I'm asking is some credible justification for what you stated initially...is there going to be any at all forthcoming?

the Pittsburgh trainer might not know anything the Pats trainer doesn't, but he has more immediate access with better facilities that he is also more familiar with

How does he have 'more immediate access' and why does familiarity matter for standard medical equipment? This makes no sense whatsoever.

And as for saying Light's season or career wasn't at risk... any injury, if improperly treated, can end a career.

This would be why you want your own trainer, whose skill and competance you know, treating guys wouldn't it? Or are you arguing that since 'any injury can end a career' teams shouldn't care who treats their players? Because if so, I'd suggest that's ridiculous.I don't think you realize how effectively you are disproving your own complaint, frankly. The more serious the consequences are, the more important it is to have someone known and trusted making decisions...rather than someone who you can't even identify and don't know their training, background, or anything else about.

Call it hyperbole all you want, but Light had an injury that has, in the past, ended careers; therefore, Light had a career-threatening injury.

No, he didn't. Anyone who knows anything about medicine will tell you that what Light had was not the same as what Theismann had. What makes a broken bone career ending is collateral damage to things other than the bone (such as was the case with Theismann). Light didn't have this. All 'broken bones' are not the same and thus you are simply wrong that his injury has ended careers. Now, assessing which of those situations Light was in is, of course, something that is done 'on the fly' but I'm still waiting to hear why it is that a team wouldn't prefer to have it's own people assess this situation. I also hope you see the irony in arguing that 'any injury can be career threatening' after you comment on a teams injury list being 'rotten.' By your own words, the Colts injury report must be legit because 'any injury can be career threatening. Funny, that.

 

[Yitbos69]

SSOG, all I'm asking is some factual support for what you stated initially. Is that too much to ask?

the Pittsburgh trainer might not know anything the Pats trainer doesn't, but he has more immediate access with better facilities that he is also more familiar with

Are you suggesting the Pats don't have access to Pittsburgh's facilities? That would be an interesting suggestion, but it's false so far as I'm aware. Are you also suggesting that familiarity with standard medical equipment is somehow unique to the Pittsburgh trainer? If so, why? And why, out of curiousity, do you think the trainer and not the physician at the game would be the one using the equipment, anyway?

And as for saying Light's season or career wasn't at risk... any injury, if improperly treated, can end a career.

This would be why you want your own trainer, whose skill and competance you know, treating guys wouldn't it? Or are you arguing that since 'any injury can end a career' teams shouldn't care who treats their players? Because if so, I'd suggest that's ridiculous.I don't think you realize how effectively you are disproving your own complaint, frankly.

Call it hyperbole all you want, but Light had an injury that has, in the past, ended careers; therefore, Light had a career-threatening injury.

No, he didn't. Anyone who knows anything about medicine will tell you that what Light had was not the same as what Theismann had. What makes a broken bone career ending is collateral damage to things other than the bone (such as was the case with Theismann). Light didn't have this. All 'broken bones' are not the same and thus you are simply wrong that his injury has ended careers. Now, assessing which of those situations Light was in is, of course, something that is done 'on the fly' but I'm still waiting to hear why it is that a team wouldn't prefer to have it's own people assess this situation. I also hope you see the irony in arguing that 'any injury can be career threatening' after you comment on a teams injury list being 'rotten.' By your own words, the Colts injury report must be legit because 'any injury can be career threatening. Funny, that.

I think that it's pretty simple.....In any case where a player gets injured both training staffs do all they can to help get the player the medical attention they need......for a coach to run off a trainer is just very bad form becuse it is common practice for both staffs to help

 

[Whizzinator]

Bad form? Arguably, sure...as noted before.

'Jeopardizing a player's career' Nope, that's just silly hyperbole.

I really doubt you disagree with that, do you?

 

[ATC1]

Bad form? Arguably, sure...as noted before.'Jeopardizing a player's career' Nope, that's just silly hyperbole.I really doubt you disagree with that, do you?

Let's just say there is a 1 out of 1,000,000 chance that the injury is career threatening. The most important step in saving a players career or life is immediate response, and a smooth communication between the entire medical staff. In case of a serious injury, the entire medical staff actually practices what to do before each season. Each person is given a certain job, and the opposing team is involed in the process.

 

[Whizzinator]

There's a million to one chance that the opposing trainer that day is a fill-in who isn't qualified, too.

The problem is that there's no credible explanation of how waiving the guy off impaired care in that situation. There's a lot of hypotheticals in both directions if you want to go there.

What there isn't is any support for the idea that Light's care was impaired by Belichick waiving off some unknown person. SSOG may dislike Belichick and I understand why, but if you want to say something like he did you need to have more than that, imo.