Did you win the title those years or did the karma gods smite you down?I’ve lost on purpose before to keep hot teams out of the playoffs.
You can advocate for every owner paying attention and doing their best to play a competitive team and not want all play. They really have nothing to do with each other. Even in an all play format you should want every owner to pay attention and play their best otherwise what's the point.then don't complain when things like what happened in this thread happen....not saying you did....but if it happens in your league and you aren't actively advocating for the "all play" format....you kinda need to shut your pie hole....you would think the purpose is to see who is really the best owner in the league....all play does that.....the old school head to head, just doesn't.....if it's "casual" then there shouldn't be any complaining about things like this....you can't have your cake and eat it too....
Yes. It’s more about owners fielding deadbeat lineups. Starting Henderson when it’s known for day he’s out with COVID. Starting Ridley when it’s known he didn’t even make the trip and was declared outI think @Judge Smails has probably given in to the Cook/Mattison debate. Have you, Judge?
One of the most freeing experiences was the day I could log in from my phone to set my line ups on Sundays when I am running about or a Thursday night where I forgot about the game and won't even be home near a computer for a while, so easy to just go in thru the apps. I like RTSports one, fairly simple, few things on the computer are easier to navigate but it does exactly what I need it for.Everyone has a smartphone, so no excuses. If you don’t want to play until the end of the season then don’t play. I hate players that don’t pay attention to their team, whether in contention or not. Yes, I said hate.
Can't you just get these guys back on the golf course next week? Shank a drive off the tee or mess up a putt and cost them $500 before they could blink?Yes. It’s more about owners fielding deadbeat lineups. Starting Henderson when it’s known for day he’s out with COVID. Starting Ridley when it’s known he didn’t even make the trip and was declared out
I have never played IDP, but I have won a game when my opponent's QB took a knee to end the game.I run an IDP league. A team in playoff contention set his lineup Sunday morning without subbing out bye-week and injured players. We have a weird tiebreaker system where, if this team won, he would beat out two other superior teams for the final playoff spot. I was rooting for him to lose. I checked the score late in Monday night's game, and he was still behind by about 3.5 points. He has Aaron Donald. On the last play of the game, Donald recorded a pointless sack of Murray. It was worth 5 points. The guy made the playoffs on the last play of the regular season.
Of course.Did you win the title those years or did the karma gods smite you down?
I have been trying to get something like this going in my leagues. Especially with Thursday games, Sunday morning/afternoon/night - Monday night. If this guy doesn’t play Monday night - my Thursday night guy will be my starter. Not sure why no one likes that idea. Even if it was a 3 times a year thingOne thing we implemented a few years ago is a contingent starter, so people don't have to be glued to the internet just before kickoff- send out an email saying if so and so doesn't play (has to officially be inactive), start so and so in their place. Of course, that still requires a little effort, but at least they can send that email out at any point during the week.
If a person is playing someone I need for them to beat and has two players on a bye in their lineup, you betcha Im going to email him / her.Deadbeat players are a problem for sure. But all this stuff about people notifying owners to advise them on their lineup, or ideas on software that auto-adjusts their lineup? To me, those are even worse. Am I a crazy purist that I just think people should be running their own teams without outside help? Throw the deadbeat players out of the league, don't bend over backwards to accommodate them, that's my take anyway
This is a lot more work than taking the 2 minutes to peruse the inactive list and make sure non of your guys are on it.I have been trying to get something like this going in my leagues. Especially with Thursday games, Sunday morning/afternoon/night - Monday night. If this guy doesn’t play Monday night - my Thursday night guy will be my starter. Not sure why no one likes that idea. Even if it was a 3 times a year thing
I go back and forth on this one....part of me says take care of your own business and don't count/depend on needing somebody else to help you....kind of like in real football....put yourself in position to where you don't need "help"...If a person is playing someone I need for them to beat and has two players on a bye in their lineup, you betcha Im going to email him / her.
The bold is distinguishing here for me. Be really, really hard to enforce some sort of rule and/or punishment when he was incentivized to win. While I sympathize with your plight, this isn't the situation that would get me riled up as, in theory, maybe he thought Cook wasn't 100% or whatever. Guys should be allowed to manage their teams.Judge Smails said:2 examples this week. Five 7-6 teams fighting for last 3 playoff spots. One owner, who has a bye with a win, doesn't pay attention to Cook being active and named as the starter. Several people texted him with Shefter tweets etc but he didn't answer until 2 minutes after kickoff. Too late. He plays Mattison (2) and Sutton (0) with Cook's 38 points on the bench. He loses - would have won with Cook's points. Cost him the bye and me the last playoff spot. Pissed off. Not only do we play for rings and pride but there is decent money here - first place is 5-6K. And my team is on fire right now - great chance I would have won it all.
The other guy has Henderson still in his lineup even though he was ruled out with COVID. I mean, it's said in big red letters "IR" next to his name on our site the last 2 days. He could have picked up any COVID replacement (no other healthy RBs on his bench) but still hasn't as of tonight. So his only option is to choose from the MNF game vs the entire slate of games he had.
It's happened all year. Another guy played Ridley even though he didn't make the trip for the game and was ruled out. Just careless
Sort of done with owners not paying attention. I'm commish next year and it will be a $100 fine every time this happens. I know it's only FF and everyone is busy but c'mon. It doesn't affect just you - it affects the whole league.
Yep. I had this debate two weekends ago. In a friendly league for not huge money, one of my buddy's was playing the other and I had hoped he would win. I saw before kickoff he was starting an injured player. Debated texting him, but something felt "yucky" about it.I go back and forth on this one....part of me says take care of your own business and don't count/depend on needing somebody else to help you....kind of like in real football....put yourself in position to where you don't need "help"...
I think once owners start becoming the roster/lineup police it ventures into a grey area....especially if it is not being done all year....
maybe a heads up to the commish and have the commish send out a blanket statement reminder to all owners or something...
picking and choosing when you want to be lineup police feels lame and kinda weak to me...feels yucky
There are many leagues that do the best of both worlds. Have the top 3 records get into the playoffs and the the top 3 highest cumulative scorers that aren't those top 3 teams by record. There is no reason to do away with H2H to accomplish this.I think, and have thought for many, many years, that the only solution to this is to do with away with head-to-head matchups. Truly let the best teams into the playoffs, which (imho) are the teams with the most points scored on the season.
I am pretty confident that we will move that way this year, despite the "romance" of head to head matchups. It is unfair to have one team's fate depend on some other lazy and uninterested owner taking the time to pay attention.
Yeah. Ten team league. Many years ago I tried to get the league to go for playoff spots decided completely by points on the year. We had some folks threatening to quit, so I proposed that we go with record for the top two seeds, points for the third and fourth. It has worked really well, except for two times, including this year when the 5th place team outscored the number two team by 51 points on the year. All due to random matchups. Yeah, my compromise solution was pretty good, but still it sucks to be the guy on the short end of the stick.There are many leagues that do the best of both worlds. Have the top 3 records get into the playoffs and the the top 3 highest cumulative scorers that aren't those top 3 teams by record. There is no reason to do away with H2H to accomplish this.
Also, one game does not make a season. It's not down to the "unfair to have one teams fate depend on some other lazy owner" at all. It seems that way because it's in the forefront but that team had other chances to get wins or whatever as the season goes along. Bottom line is that one game in and of itself was not make or break. There were 12-14 other weeks that also mattered.
12 team league....3 divisions....we do 3 divisions winners get in and then the next three best "all play" records....best of "both worlds"....damn near perfect if you ask me....keeps weekly HTH important but also allows the truly best owners a shot come playoff time...one year had a 5-9 team that just ran into some sucky HTH matchups each week, but would have beat almost everybody else those weeks.....he got in because of his "all play" record and ended up winning the whole thing....which he deserved...Yeah. Ten team league. Many years ago I tried to get the league to go for playoff spots decided completely by points on the year. We had some folks threatening to quit, so I proposed that we go with record for the top two seeds, points for the third and fourth. It has worked really well, except for two times, including this year when the 5th place team outscored the number two team by 51 points on the year. All due to random matchups. Yeah, my compromise solution was pretty good, but still it sucks to be the guy on the short end of the stick.
I simply disagree that week to week matchups should matter. But there are people in my league (all friends) that think the "Action" of playing another team is what it is all about.
There is no easy answer.
I did this once. I had joined a league as a last-resort fill player, since a couple of the guys knew I played FF. I didn't know most of the people in the league. Low money league, we're talking like $20/team. I participated in the draft and then proceeded to basically forget about the team for the entirety of the season. Didn't make a single waiver move or any lineups.In one league, a team that never made a single lineup change all season (no bye week or injury changes) just lost a tie-breaker for the last playoff spot. So think about that when you consider how many hours you put into this game.
Judge Smails said:I am seriously going to consider All Play next year
on the playing against every player part....thats one of the best parts about it....it shows you the fruits and also the spoils of the results of your biggest day of the year (your draft)....as well as instant acknowledgement of your moves throughout the season...Gally said:All play is too much like roto style baseball. It's not as much fun to me because it's sensory overload. You are playing against every player so there is no respite. H2H matchups are easier to follow and more enjoyable to me.
To each there own and if you like it do it. I just wouldn't want to be in a league that was only all play (and I have been in it before. It wasn't fun week to week).
ETA: one or two bad weeks early and you are basically out of it going 1-10 or 0-11. Very hard to come back from.
I mean, to each his own but I don't consider H2H matchups a 'romance' thing. Arbitrariness, fortune and even, yes, misfortune are core to what makes FF appeal to me. You strip that out and turn it into a mechanical thing where you face no opponents, that wouldn't suit me at all.wildwombat said:I am pretty confident that we will move that way this year, despite the "romance" of head to head matchups. It is unfair to have one team's fate depend on some other lazy and uninterested owner taking the time to pay attention.
How great is it to have the 2nd lowest score and win? TonsI mean, to each his own but I don't consider H2H matchups a 'romance' thing. Arbitrariness, fortune and even, yes, misfortune are core to what makes FF appeal to me. You strip that out and turn it into a mechanical thing where you face no opponents, that wouldn't suit me at all.
^ This guy gets it.How great is it to have the 2nd lowest score and win? Tons
How brutal is it to have the 2nd highest score and lose? Tons
In both cases, it's fun to talk about with your league mates. It's part of the appeal of FF.
I completely disagree on the bolded. When you are playing against every team every week that means 90% of the scoring is against you. It is daunting and demoralizing even if you are having a good week. We can agree to disagree on this point because I just don't see it your way. Neither of us are wrong. Just personal preference.on the playing against every player part....thats one of the best parts about it....it shows you the fruits and also the spoils of the results of your biggest day of the year (your draft)....as well as instant acknowledgement of your moves throughout the season...
and on your last ETA comment.....that couldn't be any further from the truth.....a couple bad weeks doesn't sink you....probably not actually as much as in straight HTH...(straight HTH you could technically be the highest scoring team in the league by the end of the season but have zero wins)...
We’re in a total points league, which we like because it rewards full season performance more so than randomness. And a hot team at the end won’t win if they weren’t strong early on. We still have HTH, but doesn’t factor a lot in overall scoring.I mean, to each his own but I don't consider H2H matchups a 'romance' thing. Arbitrariness, fortune and even, yes, misfortune are core to what makes FF appeal to me. You strip that out and turn it into a mechanical thing where you face no opponents, that wouldn't suit me at all.
But this is an owner looking at all the scenarios and deciding that having a lineup hole is his best opportunity for his strongest team and best chance to win overall. That is different than a guy not paying attention and leaving a bye player or injured player in because he doesn't care.I'm in an IDP redraft league where several owners at various times will purposefully leave a lineup hole. We play with QWWWRRTFKD and then 5 IDP slots, with only a 5 man bench and no IR spots. Do you drop the top DB on his bye, or drop someone like Devonta Smith instead? Do you take a 0 at kicker one week so you can fill out all 3 WR and 1 Flex spots? It can lead to some beneficial trades, or FAAB savers can land someone like Montgomery.
To us, in this format, it's part of the strategy. If you're team is stacked and you dont want to drop anyone then you gamble on your guys being enough to overcome a zero at your DL slot for the week...so just because someone doesn't fill out a full lineup doesn't automatically mean tanking.
Absolutely. The league is kind of designed this way - every week there's likely to be someone with a lineup hole. It's part of the strategy, do you try and scrape a full lineup together for as many players starting as possible, or gamble with a hole or two to keep your bench intact.But this is an owner looking at all the scenarios and deciding that having a lineup hole is his best opportunity for his strongest team and best chance to win overall. That is different than a guy not paying attention and leaving a bye player or injured player in because he doesn't care.
that 90% is split up on 11 other teams....and its not really even that much when you factor in that bench players aren't counting towards a score.....(basically playing against 11 QB's TE, PK, DST and then a combination usually of 72 RB's WR's)....I completely disagree on the bolded. When you are playing against every team every week that means 90% of the scoring is against you. It is daunting and demoralizing even if you are having a good week. We can agree to disagree on this point because I just don't see it your way. Neither of us are wrong. Just personal preference.
As for the couple bad weeks sinking you in an all play league, that has been my experience in the few times I have played it. A couple teams start out 1-21 or 2-20 and it was near impossible for them to climb back into it. Where I have seen teams start out 0-2 or 1-4 plenty of times and easily get into the playoffs. I am sure some of that is sample size because I have played a lot more H2H leagues than All play but nonetheless it has been my experience.
This is pretty much what we do. There is a total points winner and a head to head winner. Often they are the same but not always. Money is probably about 65/35 in favor of total points winner.We’re in a total points league, which we like because it rewards full season performance more so than randomness. And a hot team at the end won’t win if they weren’t strong early on. We still have HTH, but doesn’t factor a lot in overall scoring.
I'm sure you have a smartphone, so why weren't you on top of it? It only takes a minute to correct it. I don't know many situations where I don't have a minute.I made the playoffs and started 2 guys that ended up not playing, got the W and the 5 seed
How about that!#!#!#
See my edit...I'm sure you have a smartphone, so why weren't you on top of it?
I lived in Columbia, MD and traveled to Atlantic City on I95 a lot, so I understand that. It's controlled madness.See my edit...
I was in the middle of driving a 22ft moving truck somewhere in Maryland on i-95......... How's that for an excuse
I liked all-play in my auction league when we did it.on the playing against every player part....thats one of the best parts about it....it shows you the fruits and also the spoils of the results of your biggest day of the year (your draft)....as well as instant acknowledgement of your moves throughout the season...
and on your last ETA comment.....that couldn't be any further from the truth.....a couple bad weeks doesn't sink you....probably not actually as much as in straight HTH...(straight HTH you could technically be the highest scoring team in the league by the end of the season but have zero wins)...
Drove from Tampa to NJ Saturday and Sunday... It was the suckI lived in Columbia, MD and travelled to Atlantic City and traveled I95 a lot, so I understand that. It's controlled madness.
The cool thing about i-95 is that even though the flow is 80mph, most know how to drive. It's when you see someone driving 55 that can cause an accident. Like I said, controlled madness. As long as everyone is flowing like they should there isn't a problem.Drove from Tampa to NJ Saturday and Sunday... It was the suck