JamesonSkittles
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just curious where these 2 are going in your drafts. I had my first of 5 drafts last night. Zeke went 4th overall. Gordon went in the 7th round.
Zeke went 1.4.Elliott:
4 weeks ago he went for $90/500 in my dynasty start-up auction draft.
Sunday in my redraft PPR league he went 1.06
Gordon:
4 weeks ago he went for $78/500 i my dynasty start-up auction draft.
Sunday in my redraft PPR league he went 4.02 to a dude who then had to spend 7th on Eckeler. Which is probably the right move, but it feels like spending 2 picks for one roster spot that may end up being a committee any way it goes down wasn’t that great a value.
All three went in the exact same spots in my draft last night. (I grabbed Justin Jackson in the 11th)Zeke went 1.4.
I took Gordon 4.1 and Ekeler 6.1.
Probably smart to take them both. In fact you kinda have to if you picked Gordon.Might have been a mistake on my part. We'll see I guess. After the first few picks i felt like my draft was pretty meh. Shallow rosters starting 10 with 5 on the bench so plenty of talent on the wire, especially young RBs.
There's a non-zero chance that these "take both" people are cursing at Justin Jackson, if Jackson gets the Gordon role and Ekeler stays the receiving back.Probably smart to take them both. In fact you kinda have to if you picked Gordon.
I just question whether that’s the best use of two draft picks.
Damn, that was close to my draft on Sunday. Zeke went 1.9, and Gordon went 3.7.FBG players championship last night Zeke went at 1.09 and Gordon at 3.10.
You are the only sensible person in hereI draft Sunday but I won't take Zeke until the 3rd (he'll be gone) or Gordon until the 8th or 9th
That’s occurred to me as well. It’s a mess I’m happy I avoided altogether.There's a non-zero chance that these "take both" people are cursing at Justin Jackson, if Jackson gets the Gordon role and Ekeler stays the receiving back.
Hey! I avoided both like the plague. I’m not saying I’m sensible, it’s just not for reasons having to do with Gordon or Zeke.PhantomJB said:You are the only sensible person in here
Or he’ll be a stubborn boat anchor who drags your team down for 3 weeks, then comes back from Mexico and plays poorly for a game or two, and then when he finally starts performing your team is 0-6.I pick 4th on Monday and will prob take Zeke. I dunno. I don't really like anyone else at 4 and seems likely he'll be back after a few games and good to go for the playoffs.
Eckeler & Jackson.I've drafted Melvin on every single one of my teams. I'm confident he'll be back. I think Melvin is far less likely to miss games than Zeke. I have no idea why Melvin is dropping so massively while Zeke's adp has barely fallen.
Hopkins? Adams?I pick 4th on Monday and will prob take Zeke. I dunno. I don't really like anyone else at 4 and seems likely he'll be back after a few games and good to go for the playoffs.
Melvin played 70% of snaps in the 12 games he played last year. I don't think that percentage will drop. I do understand the fear of injury. It's why I'll be shopping him hard as soon as he comes back.Eckeler & Jackson.
Even when Gordon comes back, he’s got to share carries.
Plus his injury history may have something to do with it.
i think 4th round is too far, but I get the value drop.
It might be non-zero, but its pretty close. Maybe 5% chance. It would go against everything they did last year when Gordon was out, everything they've said they would do if Gordon stays away, and everything they have done this preseason. Jackson had 1 game where he outplayed Ekeler, Ekeler had more games than that where he outplayed Gordon.davearm said:There's a non-zero chance that these "take both" people are cursing at Justin Jackson, if Jackson gets the Gordon role and Ekeler stays the receiving back.
It is interesting seeing some posters claims that Gordon is falling to rounds 7/8 while Zeke remains firmly in the 1st. From a talent and opportunity perspective, I do think Zeke is a better runner and he has a wider gap against his backups than Gordon who has Ekeler and Jackson. But it certainly seems that Gordon is the much better value if you are planning on taking a chance on either or both these guys.I've drafted Melvin on every single one of my teams. I'm confident he'll be back. I think Melvin is far less likely to miss games than Zeke. I have no idea why Melvin is dropping so massively while Zeke's adp has barely fallen.
True, but that’s offset a little byIt is interesting seeing some posters claims that Gordon is falling to rounds 7/8 while Zeke remains firmly in the 1st. From a talent and opportunity perspective, I do think Zeke is a better runner and he has a wider gap against his backups than Gordon who has Ekeler and Jackson. But it certainly seems that Gordon is the much better value if you are planning on taking a chance on either or both these guys.
I have Zeke on 1 team (1.05) and Gordon on 2 (3rd round).
I've not been a huge Gordon fan, but I don't see his production when he's in the game as that different than Zeke's. If both were in camp, Zeke would be #1 or #2 overall, Gordon #2-5 probably.True, but that’s offset a little by
1. Knowing that you’ll spend a higher pick on Eckeler than Pollard, and there’s no guarantee it isn’t Jackson. So it adds risk.
2. If/when EZE comes back, that’s his backfield. When Gordon comes back, he’ll likely share touches. Eckeler had stand-alone flex value last year. I expect him to be used as much or more in effort to keep Gordon fresh.
There are risk/reward scenarios for both. But I avoided them because I’m a bust magnet when it comes to holdout players.
Ekeler's adp is out of control. I haven't even considered drafting him in the 6th or 7th round despite owning Melvin on every one of my teams. But this is a deep draft so it's not necessary to handcuff Melvin. I've been drafting quality players in the 7th and 8th rounds that will fill in nicely if Gordon misses games. And they'll still have value after Gordon returns. I've been waiting until the 9th round to draft my first quarterback so that helps.1. Knowing that you’ll spend a higher pick on Eckeler than Pollard, and there’s no guarantee it isn’t Jackson. So it adds risk.
Coming into the season healthy last year, Gordon was universally being drafted early to mid 2nd round.I've not been a huge Gordon fan, but I don't see his production when he's in the game as that different than Zeke's. If both were in camp, Zeke would be #1 or #2 overall, Gordon #2-5 probably.
I doubt that. They’ll use Pollard as a breather back, but Zeke is the engine in that offense.Also, when/if they do come back, I don't know that the cowboys wont lean a LITTLE more on Pollard than the backups in past years to keep their heavy investment from getting TOO much wear and tear.
Well yeah - Pollard is the much better backup to target IMO. He’s going several rounds later & he doesn’t have a Jackson to compete with like Eckeler does.Personally, I don't find much value in Ekeler or Pollard, and might lean Pollard during the time each is the key man.
I thought Gordon was higher than that (again, he's NEVER been a guy I've targeted, it sorta just flowed that way yesterday). I agree Zeke is the engine, which is why he'd be #1/2 overall, but I do see SOME regression in terms of overall load, especially when the Boys are indebted to him and need him healthy for at least three years to get an ROI on a huge deal.Coming into the season healthy last year, Gordon was universally being drafted early to mid 2nd round.
if there were no holdout concerns I believe Gordon would still be a 1.10-2.02 valuation due to the injury history & competition in his backfield.
Note: I’m not saying Eckeler or Jackson will take a substantial amount of carries (they’ll take some) but the perception in the FF community is that they will, which would keep Gordon’s value a little depressed.
I doubt that. They’ll use Pollard as a breather back, but Zeke is the engine in that offense.
Well yeah - Pollard is the much better backup to target IMO. He’s going several rounds later & he doesn’t have a Jackson to compete with like Eckeler does.
Me either but I stumbled into him last year drafting at the 11 spot - and he was *amazing* for me value-wise right up until he got hurt before the FF playoffs.I thought Gordon was higher than that (again, he's NEVER been a guy I've targeted, it sorta just flowed that way yesterday). I agree Zeke is the engine, which is why he'd be #1/2 overall, but I do see SOME regression in terms of overall load, especially when the Boys are indebted to him and need him healthy for at least three years to get an ROI on a huge deal.
But I hear ya.
I've actually rostered Pollard on most of my teams because he has been available in rounds 9-11. So I've essentially handcuffed Gordon with Pollard.Well yeah - Pollard is the much better backup to target IMO. He’s going several rounds later & he doesn’t have a Jackson to compete with like Eckeler does.
Had considered that but my league is .5 ppr so really bumps wrs down behind the top RBsHopkins? Adams?
same league, i went 8....12 teams, snake draft. hopkins, tyreek, mack then miles sanders.Had one of the most weird drafts in my 20 years playing fantasy football last night. It's a 15 year old league, super savvy owners. Almost always go RB heavy, historically (2rb/2wr/flex). This was a year to be set up for that trend to continue.
Zeke went 1.06
Gordon went 4.06 (by me, rationale below)
I took a chance on Gurley after taking Conner (7 slot), because this is a tough league where you either have a really good team or you'll be middling. It's a risk, but one I felt comfortable with. Antonio Brown was there in the third, and he had by far the best upside at WR (maybe anyone) at that point, so took that chance too.
Then came the middle of the fourth round. I saw the WR's available and realized that I could get just as good value a round, maybe two rounds later (Larry Plateau(tm) - @Chemical X) - did something I hadn't done in ANY mock draft. I took Gordon. Why? The run on RBs was longer and deeper than I had even thought. Montgomery, Ingram, Mack had just gone three of the last four spots, Mahomes being the other. My gut said peeps gonna panic, and while its a risk, Gurley will at least start week one (hopefully a lot more! but obviously an injury risk)... so maybe he can at least stay healthy until Gordon returns and if both are somehow there toward the end of the year, could really go on a run.
Somehow, with all the RBs taken, Sony Michel was there in the 5th. I freaking went four RBs with my first five picks. But somehow its a mix of TREMENDOUS UPSIDE (RIP @Tremendous Upside - ####### miss you bro) but the mix of guys also provided a really solid floor with that risk spread and a big chance for trade bait with some teams very hollow at RB.
Guess my point is so much depends on the league. Scoring, rosters (we have 17 man rosters, so a deep bench that can take steps to address some risks), and other owners' tendencies. I NEVER thought I'd take Gordon. Never thought I'd take 4/5 RBs to start... but once the 5th round was done, there were scraps left, at best. I took a big risk/big reward approach and then tried to best mitigate that risk while not harming upside. Have to be flexible and see how the draft comes to you. We will see if my venture here is successful or a fools errand.
ETA: I ended up with Tyler Boyd as my #2, Corey Davis as my #3 WR, and I need to start two. Couple high upside guys late. Got Hunter Henry in the 7th as my TE, because everyone was panicking taking any backs they could, and then teamed Wentz with Lamar Jackson as a QB combo... everyone was still scrambling for RBs that have very little chance for return on ADP. And going so heavy on RBs, meant I didn't need to reach to get a handcuff. Would like to have gotten Henderson, but was too rich for me and not "needed" but did take Samuels late