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Where does Welker rank as a receiver? (1 Viewer)

Judged strictly on his abilties as an individual, where does Welker rank today as a WR? NFL, not fa

  • Top 3

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • 4-6

    Votes: 11 18.0%
  • 7-10

    Votes: 20 32.8%
  • 11-15

    Votes: 12 19.7%
  • 15-20

    Votes: 10 16.4%
  • 21-25

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • 26+

    Votes: 4 6.6%
  • Hate the Patriots too much to be objective

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
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GregR

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Wes Welker has been one of the most productive receivers the last few years. Where do you think that he ranks today amongst NFL (not fantasy) WRs based solely on his own abilities as an individual?

That is, if we emptied all NFL rosters and redrafted the league from scratch for 1 season, how far down the list of WRs should he be drafted?

 
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Voted 26+. He has excelled in a system partly tailored to his skillset with one of the few best QBs ever. Put him on the majority of other offenses and he would be average to above average IMO.

 
Voted 7-10

I believe he plays his role better than anyone, ever.

Still not in the top 6 of active WRs IMO, he brings something to the table many of the ones ranked above him, but he cant do what they can do, the opposite isnt so easy to say, although most of them probably couldnt.

 
Where is the option for "good lord, not another Welker thread"?

I keed, I keed.

I'd put him in the 7 to 10 range, probably 7th or 8th overall.

Even if it's true that he's a "system" WR (which I don't totally believe applies, at least not any more than any other player in the NFL), it's still great to know that with the right system in place he can be one of the best. There are probably only 10-12 guys on the planet you can say that about.

 
Voted 26+. He has excelled in a system partly tailored to his skillset with one of the few best QBs ever. Put him on the majority of other offenses and he would be average to above average IMO.
Lol I wanna see this list of 25 guys.
Nicks WhiteC.JohnsonFitzBowe MarshallColstonS.SmithJennings AJ GreenJ.JonesBryantV.JaksAustinquestion mark on:Stevie JCrabtree (talent alone)Des. JacksonHolmesD.ThomasHarvinThese wrs are all more gifted than Welker. Now in that scheme he fits it great, better than most. But if Edelman can do close to as good as you in your absence that says something. I think someone like Harvin is the same as him in terms of what his scheme would want out of him and Harvin is more gifted. I dont see Welker going into a role outside of NE and being as successful as any of these wrs. Add Sydney Rice to the mix too.
 
Voted 26+. He has excelled in a system partly tailored to his skillset with one of the few best QBs ever. Put him on the majority of other offenses and he would be average to above average IMO.
Lol I wanna see this list of 25 guys.
Nicks WhiteC.JohnsonFitzBowe MarshallColstonS.SmithJennings AJ GreenJ.JonesBryantV.JaksAustinquestion mark on:Stevie JCrabtree (talent alone)Des. JacksonHolmesD.ThomasHarvinThese wrs are all more gifted than Welker. Now in that scheme he fits it great, better than most. But if Edelman can do close to as good as you in your absence that says something. I think someone like Harvin is the same as him in terms of what his scheme would want out of him and Harvin is more gifted. I dont see Welker going into a role outside of NE and being as successful as any of these wrs. Add Sydney Rice to the mix too.
Generally agree. I would not have the same list of WRs, but the point is the same.
 
Voted 26+. He has excelled in a system partly tailored to his skillset with one of the few best QBs ever. Put him on the majority of other offenses and he would be average to above average IMO.
Lol I wanna see this list of 25 guys.
Nicks WhiteC.JohnsonFitzBowe MarshallColstonS.SmithJennings AJ GreenJ.JonesBryantV.JaksAustinquestion mark on:Stevie JCrabtree (talent alone)Des. JacksonHolmesD.ThomasHarvinThese wrs are all more gifted than Welker. Now in that scheme he fits it great, better than most. But if Edelman can do close to as good as you in your absence that says something. I think someone like Harvin is the same as him in terms of what his scheme would want out of him and Harvin is more gifted. I dont see Welker going into a role outside of NE and being as successful as any of these wrs. Add Sydney Rice to the mix too.
I understand the argument, but really?Everyone on your Questionable list isnt close and half of the rest of your list are one year removed from completely unproven.
 
Voted 26+. He has excelled in a system partly tailored to his skillset with one of the few best QBs ever. Put him on the majority of other offenses and he would be average to above average IMO.
Those are good points and I really have never come to a conclusion on where I officially stand on points like that because I'm just not sure what the answer is.Did Jerry Rice make both Joe Montana and Steve Young? Without him maybe they are slightly above average quarterbacks.I struggle to believe that is true, I tend to believe if they were on separate teams they all would still be great but the greatness all on one team makes them extra special.I think it's the same for Welker. Sure he's aided by playing with Tom Brady, but it also helps Tom Brady to have Welker. What I've seen from Wes Welker the last 4 years is not average. He would have been great on any team that throws the ball significantly. Drew Brees and a guy like Welker would be virtually unstoppable together. When I envision that, it's not based only on what Brees can do but also Welker's ability to get open and get every inch he can after he catches the ball. I've always been very impressed with Welker as a football player.He's around 8-12 for me. I'm not sure his best years aren't behind him going forward though, he'll still be effective though.
 
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Voted 26+. He has excelled in a system partly tailored to his skillset with one of the few best QBs ever. Put him on the majority of other offenses and he would be average to above average IMO.
Those are good points and I really have never come to a conclusion on where I officially stand on points like that because I'm just not sure what the answer is.Did Jerry Rice make both Joe Montana and Steve Young? Without him maybe they are slightly above average quarterbacks.

I struggle to believe that is true, I tend to believe if they were on separate teams they all would still be great but the greatness all on one team makes them extra special.

I think it's the same for Welker. Sure he's aided by playing with Tom Brady, but it also helps Tom Brady to have Welker. What I've seen from Wes Welker the last 4 years is not average. He would have been great on any team that throws the ball significantly. Drew Brees and a guy like Welker would be virtually unstoppable together. When I envision that, it's not based only on what Brees can do but also Welker's ability to get open and get every inch he can after he catches the ball. I've always been very impressed with Welker as a football player.

He's around 8-12 for me. I'm not sure his best years aren't behind him going forward though, he'll still be effective though.
We've seen Welker on another team. San Diego released him ( :doh: ) and he then played for Miami for almost three seasons without making a substantive impact. His last season there, he had 67/687/1 (10.3 ypr) receiving, which is roughly the same production Davone Bess has had in Miami for the past 4 years.Then Welker went to New England and continued to average ~10 ypr, but in a system that gave him a lot more targets in that possession role and on a team with a much better QB and with better complementary threats.

Welker has averaged 10 targets per game in New England. There is no doubt in my mind that there are at least 25 other WRs who could outproduce him on that many targets from an elite QB.

:shrug:

 
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I've been struggling in my mind with this question for quite awhile. You guys are raising a lot of the points I do. Let me add one though. Welker wasn't that productive before going to the Patriots. But in playing against them, Bill Belichick saw that his team had difficulty covering him, which is why he went out and got him. Which tells me that he wasn't being utilized nearly as effectively as he could have been if it was that obvious to opposing coaches they had problems covering him.

We can definitely say that playing with an elite QB is part of why Welker has done as well as he has. But I also think that realizing where he excels and using him more effectively than San Diego and Miami did is part of that. Now if I'm going to pick him up as another team, I probably won't change my whole offense to try to be like the Patriots, but I'll definitely look to see what they did to use him effectively, and do the same kind of thing.

Even with a lesser QB I think he'd vastly outperform what he did in Miami. Colston was mentioned as a receiver someone would take over him. I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised if Welker outperformed Colston if Welker went to the Saints and Colston signed somewhere else. Colston probably gives you more flexibility in how you use him. But with Brees throwing to both, and Payton using them both as effectively as he thinks he can, I think Welker would probably do better.

If it's Tavaris Jackson throwing to them, maybe I'd go with Colston for the flexibility. He's one of those that for me is in the "maybe" camp but not clear cut.

 
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How many more solid seasons do you think well see out of welker? I'm in a deep 20 team dynasty league, and welker would top off my WRs with Welker, Blackmon, Cobb, J. Baldwin, L. Robinson, Hankerson

Someone offered him to me for future picks

 
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We've seen Welker on another team. San Diego released him ( :doh: ) and he then played for Miami for almost three seasons without making a substantive impact. His last season there, he had 67/687/1 (10.3 ypr) receiving, which is roughly the same production Davone Bess has had in Miami for the past 4 years.

Then Welker went to New England and continued to average ~10 ypr, but in a system that gave him a lot more targets in that possession role and on a team with a much better QB and with better complementary threats.

Welker has averaged 10 targets per game in New England. There is no doubt in my mind that there are at least 25 other WRs who could outproduce him on that many targets from an elite QB.

:shrug:
I think these are fair points, but you are kinda making it seem like they have a plan to feed him the ball 10 times a game regardless of what he does with those 10 targets.They only keep giving him the ball because he continues to produce. It's fair to say he wasn't as productive in Miami but at the same time, Miami really sucks. WRs, more than any other position, rely on good players around them in order for their stat sheet to look good. It doesn't matter how good a WR is, in most cases, if his QB, RB and O-line have major problems, his numbers are going to take a hit.

Just look at Brandon Marshall. Even though his yards have stayed the about the same, his receptions and TDs have gone through the floor since coming to Miami, even though he is hitting the prime of his career, when his numbers should keep going up. Marshall averaged 1.6 fewer targets per game than Welker did last year, which isn't a ton.

Targets alone don't get it done. A player still has to do well with his targets. Welker deserves credit for that. I don't really buy that there are 25 other guys who would do just as well.

 
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I remember seeing Welker play for Miami though, he looked very quick and explosive and I thought, wow, why don't they use him more often?

 
How many more solid seasons do you think well see out of welker? I'm in a deep 20 team dynasty league, and welker would top off my WRs with Welker, Blackmon, Cobb, J. Baldwin, L. Robinson, HankersonSomeone offered him to me for future picks
I just traded him straight up for Gronk in a mandatory two TE league. I think he has 2-3 years of solid production left and I think he will likely stick around longer, dont see him playing anywhere but in NE either.If you have a shot at winning your league this year with Welker id take it, you will at least get his worth out of consistency.
 
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How many more solid seasons do you think well see out of welker? I'm in a deep 20 team dynasty league, and welker would top off my WRs with Welker, Blackmon, Cobb, J. Baldwin, L. Robinson, HankersonSomeone offered him to me for future picks
I just traded him straight up for Gronk in a mandatory two TE league. I think he has 2-3 years of solid production left and I think he will likely stick around longer, dont see him playing anywhere but in NE either.If you have a shot at winning your league this year with Welker id take it, you will at least get his worth out of consistency.
Wow I'd much rather have Gronk, especially in that format.
 
How many more solid seasons do you think well see out of welker? I'm in a deep 20 team dynasty league, and welker would top off my WRs with Welker, Blackmon, Cobb, J. Baldwin, L. Robinson, HankersonSomeone offered him to me for future picks
I just traded him straight up for Gronk in a mandatory two TE league. I think he has 2-3 years of solid production left and I think he will likely stick around longer, dont see him playing anywhere but in NE either.If you have a shot at winning your league this year with Welker id take it, you will at least get his worth out of consistency.
Wow I'd much rather have Gronk, especially in that format.
Owner had Graham also and was hurting at WR pretty badly, PPR league of course.In 2010 I targetted Finley and Davis, cutting ties with Finley, still love his potential but id rather have Gronk and Davis' raw talent.
 
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