In A Pick Your Coach Draft, Where Does Nick Sirianni Rank Among Active NFL Head Coaches? (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Well, I'm looking at your site using my Android phone, not a computer. Initially I didn't realize I could click on a particular voting option total to then see who voted that option. Another poster responded (not sure who) to my post that I could actually do that. Had I known to do that, I wouldn't have asked that particular question. I didn't speculate how you voted. Still, I was interested in the discussion/disagreement with your buddy. You've already answered my questions upthread. I appreciated your responses. And, I believe I thanked you each time with a "like" handshake.

Thanks for the great product you and your staff provide. I hope you had a very nice Thanksgiving with family and friends!!!

Thanks. You "liked" the post "My guess is that he has him at #32". I don't know any reasonable person who'd rank Sirianni as #32 so I was interested why you'd given that the thumbs up. No worries though as I know the forum can be difficult to use on mobile. Thanks for the good discussion and thanks for being part of the forums. And I hope you have a great Thanksgiving weekend.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I finally settled on the 9-12 option. I think he might be better than that and, as I said earlier in this thread, if he keeps winning at this clip he'd definitely be in the next tier. He's a little wacky, but people are allowed to mature and learn.

 

[unckeyherb]

Well, I'm looking at your site using my Android phone, not a computer. Initially I didn't realize I could click on a particular voting option total to then see who voted that option. Another poster responded (not sure who) to my post that I could actually do that. Had I known to do that, I wouldn't have asked that particular question. I didn't speculate how you voted. Still, I was interested in the discussion/disagreement with your buddy. You've already answered my questions upthread. I appreciated your responses. And, I believe I thanked you each time with a "like" handshake.

Thanks for the great product you and your staff provide. I hope you had a very nice Thanksgiving with family and friends!!!

I don't know any reasonable person who'd rank Sirianni as #32….

And yet more than 10% of voters in this poll ranked him among that cohort. 40% have him in the bottom third. The idea that there are nominally 20 or so better HC options out there is…wild.

 

[Ghost Rider]

13-16 seems right.

I suspect most of the dislike of Sirriani comes from him being such a dislikable tool (he just looks like a guy who needs a couple of hard shots to the face), but it is kind of hard to argue with his record, which is very good overall. Yes, he also has to wear last season's collapse and the team basically quitting on him in a playoff game, but this year's bounce back, which I did not see coming, has been impressive.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Well, I'm looking at your site using my Android phone, not a computer. Initially I didn't realize I could click on a particular voting option total to then see who voted that option. Another poster responded (not sure who) to my post that I could actually do that. Had I known to do that, I wouldn't have asked that particular question. I didn't speculate how you voted. Still, I was interested in the discussion/disagreement with your buddy. You've already answered my questions upthread. I appreciated your responses. And, I believe I thanked you each time with a "like" handshake.

Thanks for the great product you and your staff provide. I hope you had a very nice Thanksgiving with family and friends!!!

I don't know any reasonable person who'd rank Sirianni as #32….

And yet more than 10% of voters in this poll ranked him among that cohort. 40% have him in the bottom third. The idea that there are nominally 20 or so better HC options out there is…wild.

Yes. But I doubt anyone had him #32 even back then. And certainly not today as the poster suggested I would. Just seemed like an odd flex. But all good.

 

[unckeyherb]

13-16 seems right.

I suspect most of the dislike of Sirriani comes from him being such a dislikable tool (he just looks like a guy who needs a couple of hard shots to the face), but it is kind of hard to argue with his record, which is very good overall. Yes, he also has to wear last season's collapse and the team basically quitting on him in a playoff game, but this year's bounce back, which I did not see coming, has been impressive.

Can you name the 12-15 current head coaches you’d put over him?

 

[Snotbubbles]

13-16 seems right.

I suspect most of the dislike of Sirriani comes from him being such a dislikable tool (he just looks like a guy who needs a couple of hard shots to the face), but it is kind of hard to argue with his record, which is very good overall. Yes, he also has to wear last season's collapse and the team basically quitting on him in a playoff game, but this year's bounce back, which I did not see coming, has been impressive.

Can you name the 12-15 current head coaches you’d put over him?

I think people underestimate the fact that in 2023 he lost both coordinators. It certainly had an effect on the Eagles. Then they did it again this season and the team just keeps winning. That's why when people want to say Dan Campbell is a better coach, wait until he loses Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn. If he can replicate winning after replacing his coordinators, then we can talk.

EDIT: It's why I'm glad they got Fangio this season, because I think he'll be around for multiple seasons so the defense will just keep getting better and better. Kellen Moore is probably a goner at some point, hopefully, he stays one more season because Hurts in year 2 of Steichen was MVP worthy.

 

[fred_1_15301]

This kind of reminds me of the Tomlin thread. Admittedly I was a critic of Tomlin a few years ago because he always seems to get outcoached in the playoffs. Now I can firmly say that I would still rather have the guy that will get my team in the playoff hunt every year. Tomlin does that.

Sirianni is turning into an excellent coach IMO (maybe he always was). Yes he has a massive amount of talent to work with but his players love him. He can be a clown at times but this year he’s shown the ability to adjust his style. With that said, he’s going to need to win a Super Bowl at some point to shut up the haters.

I didn’t vote in this thread but I don’t see how anyone can put him lower than top 10.

Same with Tomlin.

 

[Terpman22]

We need to really just rank the coaches the same way we'd rank QB's/RBs/WRs


There is always a guy that seems to rank a QB/RB/WR way lower/higher and then we discuss.

Just plainly throwing out for instance "I got Deebo Samuel ranked as WR35" isn't going to really shock anyone or really further a a dicussion.

At the same time

If you are a guy that goes "I got AJ Brown WR25" - ya know, we are gonna force you to rank those 24 players ahead of AJ Brown.

Not sure why we aren't doing that here.

I'll come up w my list shortly.

Only of the current 32 guys that are currently coaching a team, including interims, etc.

 

[miqws]

My list, open to debate. To me Sirianni should get a lot of credit for this years results, not losing the team after last years meltdown, and tilting the team towards Saquon.

Above: Reid, Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, Payton, McVay, Campbell

Slightly above: Lafleur, O’Connell

Par: McDermott, Shanahan, Quinn

 

[unckeyherb]

We need to really just rank the coaches the same way we'd rank QB's/RBs/WRs


There is always a guy that seems to rank a QB/RB/WR way lower/higher and then we discuss.

Just plainly throwing out for instance "I got Deebo Samuel ranked as WR35" isn't going to really shock anyone or really further a a dicussion.

At the same time

If you are a guy that goes "I got AJ Brown WR25" - ya know, we are gonna force you to rank those 24 players ahead of AJ Brown.

Not sure why we aren't doing that here.

I'll come up w my list shortly.

Only of the current 32 guys that are currently coaching a team, including interims, etc.

I've asked I think 3-4 times for people to rank the guys they have ahead of him. In my mind I've got Reid, Tomlin, MCDC, at/ahead of him. You could maybe make an argument for McDermott, Shanahan, Harbaugh...who else?

 

[Terpman22]

My list, open to debate. To me Sirianni should get a lot of credit for this years results, not losing the team after last years meltdown, and tilting the team towards Saquon.

Above: Reid, Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, Payton, McVay, Campbell

Slightly above: Lafleur, O’Connell

Par: McDermott, Shanahan, Quinn

Hey! Now we are getting somewhere. Can't argue with any of the "Above" guys other than Campbell.

I think its pretty close, they are very similar dudes and situations and styles. Gotta go with my guy over him though.

Sirianni currently has a coaching record of 46-22. Campbell is sitting at 42-35-1,

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This thread still seems crazy to me. Admittedly I don't follow Philly that closely but their roster hasn't been THAT much better than the rest of the league the last 4 years, right? I mean I get that they've had a good roster, but it's not like they have an Alabama/Georgia quality roster where they're just leagues above everyone else.

There are quite a few teams that have had very strong rosters the last 4-5 years and few of them have won as many games as the Eagles.

 

[unckeyherb]

This thread still seems crazy to me. Admittedly I don't follow Philly that closely but their roster hasn't been THAT much better than the rest of the league the last 4 years, right? I mean I get that they've had a good roster, but it's not like they have an Alabama/Georgia quality roster where they're just leagues above everyone else.

There are quite a few teams that have had very strong rosters the last 4-5 years and few of them have won as many games as the Eagles.

Over the last four years (the entirety of Sirriani's coaching career) the Eagles are 44-23 (.657), which includes the meltdown last year and at least a few losses in '22 (Super Bowl Year) when Hurts was out and Minshew was in. The only teams better are Buffalo (49-17 .742) and of course KC (52-16 .765). All three teams have made the playoffs every one of those years, with only Philly and KC having made it to the Super Bowl in that time.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I'll come up w my list shortly.

 

[Terpman22]

Had a conversation today with someone I respect and we had a very different opinion of where Nick Sirianni would rank among NFL Head Coaches.

So wanted to ask the Shark Pool.

Assume it's for 1 year. In other words, age isn't a factor.

Also would love to hear how this conversation is going now. I'm sure most Eagles fans feel much differently today than they did at the point in the season when this post was made.

Are you guys closer to the same opinion or further apart now?

Is he Happy about the winning? If so, is he giving Sirianni credit?

 

[Snotbubbles]

How does one even rank a HC? Sirianni has a .667 win %, has made the playoffs every season and made it to the Superbowl. That alone should place him in the top half.

This still holds true for me. I don't know how to rank good coaches, but just based on his team's success, Sirianni is in the top half.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I’ll tell you this though - he better win a Super Bowl ASAP (I.e next year or 2) or the critics will be out in full force. This is based simply on me knowing the neurotic Philly fanbase.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

We need to really just rank the coaches the same way we'd rank QB's/RBs/WRs


There is always a guy that seems to rank a QB/RB/WR way lower/higher and then we discuss.

Just plainly throwing out for instance "I got Deebo Samuel ranked as WR35" isn't going to really shock anyone or really further a a dicussion.

At the same time

If you are a guy that goes "I got AJ Brown WR25" - ya know, we are gonna force you to rank those 24 players ahead of AJ Brown.

Not sure why we aren't doing that here.

I'll come up w my list shortly.

Only of the current 32 guys that are currently coaching a team, including interims, etc.

I've asked I think 3-4 times for people to rank the guys they have ahead of him. In my mind I've got Reid, Tomlin, MCDC, at/ahead of him. You could maybe make an argument for McDermott, Shanahan, Harbaugh...who else?

Kevin O'Connell has won over 65% of his games starting 5 different QBs in 2.5+ seasons. Lack of playoff success tempers his ranking, I am sure.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I never voted before so I still get to vote. I just voted top 4. Winning trumps everything else. Had I voted when this thread was started (at the time when Eagles were 4-2), I’m guessing I would have put him in the 10-15 range.

 

[Terpman22]

We need to really just rank the coaches the same way we'd rank QB's/RBs/WRs


There is always a guy that seems to rank a QB/RB/WR way lower/higher and then we discuss.

Just plainly throwing out for instance "I got Deebo Samuel ranked as WR35" isn't going to really shock anyone or really further a a dicussion.

At the same time

If you are a guy that goes "I got AJ Brown WR25" - ya know, we are gonna force you to rank those 24 players ahead of AJ Brown.

Not sure why we aren't doing that here.

I'll come up w my list shortly.

Only of the current 32 guys that are currently coaching a team, including interims, etc.

I've asked I think 3-4 times for people to rank the guys they have ahead of him. In my mind I've got Reid, Tomlin, MCDC, at/ahead of him. You could maybe make an argument for McDermott, Shanahan, Harbaugh...who else?

Kevin O'Connell has won over 65% of his games starting 5 different QBs in 2.5+ seasons. Lack of playoff success tempers his ranking, I am sure.

I'm a Big Kevin O'Connell fan.

 

[unckeyherb]

We need to really just rank the coaches the same way we'd rank QB's/RBs/WRs


There is always a guy that seems to rank a QB/RB/WR way lower/higher and then we discuss.

Just plainly throwing out for instance "I got Deebo Samuel ranked as WR35" isn't going to really shock anyone or really further a a dicussion.

At the same time

If you are a guy that goes "I got AJ Brown WR25" - ya know, we are gonna force you to rank those 24 players ahead of AJ Brown.

Not sure why we aren't doing that here.

I'll come up w my list shortly.

Only of the current 32 guys that are currently coaching a team, including interims, etc.

I've asked I think 3-4 times for people to rank the guys they have ahead of him. In my mind I've got Reid, Tomlin, MCDC, at/ahead of him. You could maybe make an argument for McDermott, Shanahan, Harbaugh...who else?

Kevin O'Connell has won over 65% of his games starting 5 different QBs in 2.5+ seasons. Lack of playoff success tempers his ranking, I am sure.

Totally, I think he's done a good job. But like you said, playoff success matters. It also matters that he took over a .500 team with some pieces already in place. It cannot be overstated the absolute dumpster fire that was the 2020 Eagles. They finished the year 4-11-1. In 3 of their 4 wins they won by a total of 9 points. They tied the Bengals. Ownership came out in support of Doug because of course that's what you do for the guy that brought you a Super Bowl Trophy two years earlier. However, when he wouldn't play ball with their desire to replace some key coaches, they zipped him. After saying publicly that he was safe. The mood here in Philly was complete angst BEFORE they hired Nick. After his initial press conference the mood was closer to suicidal-ask Eagles fans around here about flower pots. It was bad.

But then he took the dumpster fire that was our team and turned them into a playoff team in his first year. And then they were the best team in the league, making the Super Bowl. In the same time span as what you referenced above (2.5 years), Nick was 35-12 (75%) and over his career has never NOT made the playoffs and this year will be no different.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Had a conversation today with someone I respect and we had a very different opinion of where Nick Sirianni would rank among NFL Head Coaches.

So wanted to ask the Shark Pool.

Assume it's for 1 year. In other words, age isn't a factor.

Also would love to hear how this conversation is going now. I'm sure most Eagles fans feel much differently today than they did at the point in the season when this post was made.

Are you guys closer to the same opinion or further apart now?

Is he Happy about the winning? If so, is he giving Sirianni credit?

He's definitely super happy now with Sirianni. I didn't ask him to rank him specifically but I'd guess he'd say top 5 now.

 

[Terpman22]

Had a conversation today with someone I respect and we had a very different opinion of where Nick Sirianni would rank among NFL Head Coaches.

So wanted to ask the Shark Pool.

Assume it's for 1 year. In other words, age isn't a factor.

Also would love to hear how this conversation is going now. I'm sure most Eagles fans feel much differently today than they did at the point in the season when this post was made.

Are you guys closer to the same opinion or further apart now?

Is he Happy about the winning? If so, is he giving Sirianni credit?

He's definitely super happy now with Sirianni. I didn't ask him to rank him specifically but I'd guess he'd say top 5 now.

Gotcha. My guess is he felt about the same as most of us did around 2-2 time coming off a really bad loss to the team that just ended our previous season.

8 game winning streaks and going 10-2 for the 3rd year in a row sort of have that habit of making become more optimistic haha, myself included, its human nature.

 

[modogg]

We need to really just rank the coaches the same way we'd rank QB's/RBs/WRs


There is always a guy that seems to rank a QB/RB/WR way lower/higher and then we discuss.

Just plainly throwing out for instance "I got Deebo Samuel ranked as WR35" isn't going to really shock anyone or really further a a dicussion.

At the same time

If you are a guy that goes "I got AJ Brown WR25" - ya know, we are gonna force you to rank those 24 players ahead of AJ Brown.

Not sure why we aren't doing that here.

I'll come up w my list shortly.

Only of the current 32 guys that are currently coaching a team, including interims, etc.

I've asked I think 3-4 times for people to rank the guys they have ahead of him. In my mind I've got Reid, Tomlin, MCDC, at/ahead of him. You could maybe make an argument for McDermott, Shanahan, Harbaugh...who else?

Throw Shanahan out, unless you love the maddening PR machine 49ers front office can put out.

But I got one…… Dougie P baby!!

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I do have to admit that he has that sloven-like look to him that the great coaches possess, like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick. The neck beard tells people "hey, I am too busy watching film to concern myself with personal hygiene".

 

[BobbyLayne]

Coaches with a 10 game winning streak in the last 7 years:

• Sean Payton
• John Harbaugh
• Mike Tomlin
• Andy Reid
• Kyle Shanahan
• Dan Campbell
• Nick Sirianni

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Coaches with a 10 game winning streak in the last 7 years:

• Sean Payton
• John Harbaugh
• Mike Tomlin
• Andy Reid
• Kyle Shanahan
• Dan Campbell
• Nick Sirianni

Sirianni’s streak is a franchise record. Reid never won 10 in a row with the Eagles.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Coaches with a 10 game winning streak in the last 7 years:

• Sean Payton
• John Harbaugh
• Mike Tomlin
• Andy Reid
• Kyle Shanahan
• Dan Campbell
• Nick Sirianni

Sweet, did any of them go 11-2 with Sam Darnold as their QB1?

 

[TampaMike19]

Coaches with a 10 game winning streak in the last 7 years:

• Sean Payton
• John Harbaugh
• Mike Tomlin
• Andy Reid
• Kyle Shanahan
• Dan Campbell
• Nick Sirianni

Sweet, did any of them go 11-2 with Sam Darnold as their QB1?

It’s a team sport and the Vikings roster is absolutely loaded on offense. Darnold just needs to be slightly above replacement level and bam the team has a nice record.

Also Darnold isn’t as bad as his jets days. It’s clear the Jets are a cursed franchise

 

[Terpman22]

Coaches with a 10 game winning streak in the last 7 years:

• Sean Payton
• John Harbaugh
• Mike Tomlin
• Andy Reid
• Kyle Shanahan
• Dan Campbell
• Nick Sirianni

Sweet, did any of them go 11-2 with Sam Darnold as their QB1?

Loaded team. They should be 13-0 with that roster (wow this *is* fun!)

 

[Snotbubbles]

Coaches with a 10 game winning streak in the last 7 years:

• Sean Payton
• John Harbaugh
• Mike Tomlin
• Andy Reid
• Kyle Shanahan
• Dan Campbell
• Nick Sirianni

Sweet, did any of them go 11-2 with Sam Darnold as their QB1?

The Eagles prefer to win with a QB drafted in the 2nd round, not in the top 3.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Coaches with a 10 game winning streak in the last 7 years:

• Sean Payton
• John Harbaugh
• Mike Tomlin
• Andy Reid
• Kyle Shanahan
• Dan Campbell
• Nick Sirianni

Sweet, did any of them go 11-2 with Sam Darnold as their QB1?

It’s a team sport and the Vikings roster is absolutely loaded on offense. Darnold just needs to be slightly above replacement level and bam the team has a nice record.

Also Darnold isn’t as bad as his jets days. It’s clear the Jets are a cursed franchise

You don't think there is any correlation between the starting QB for an NFL team, and said team's winning percentage? Agree that it is the ultimate team sport, but some positions have a far greater impact on the teams winning than others. I have never seen another position tied to the team's winning percentage, other than the QB.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Sirianni now has the second-most wins of any coach in the first four years with a team.

#1 is George Seifert, who inherited Bill Walsh's 49ers in the pre-salary cap era. Sirianni had a much greater degree of difficulty.

 

[BobbyLayne]

10th

Final answer

Campbell
Harbaugh
Harbaugh
Lafleur
McVey
KOC
Reid
Shanahan
Tomlin

He’s been a good coach (especially when he has two good coordinators), but I’d rank him behind these guys.

He’s really doesn’t have the skill set to care for one side of the ball but he’s obviously a good leader of men.

He’s willing to adjust and make changes, that’s a highly valued and somewhat rare quality.

He has been erratic in his in-game decision making (even when they were winning 11 straight.) Better than most, though. We saw really bad coaching on full display the last 10 days and it’s clear that close to half the league doesn’t know what the **** they’re doing.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

but he’s obviously a good leader of men

Not the 2nd half of last year. Just saying

 

[BobbyLayne]

but he’s obviously a good leader of men

Not the 2nd half of last year. Just saying

Respectfully, I don’t think you’re making a very good point here.

The course correction (bringing in Fangio) & bouncing back from that kind of adversity tells you 10x more about his leadership ability than the stumble itself.

Life is never, ever about what happens to someone; that is not the defining moment

Mistakes and failures are an opportunity

The response - not the misstep - is how one should measure another’s character

 

[Snotbubbles]

Update.

Regular season: 48-20 (.706) (3rd highest win% of all-time)
Playoffs: 5-3
2x NFC East Champion
2x NFC Champion
First coach in Eagles history with multiple 14 win seasons
First coach in Eagles history to get to multiple Super Bowls

We moving him up the list yet?

 

[eighsse2]

Update.

Regular season: 48-20 (.706) (3rd highest win% of all-time)
Playoffs: 5-3
2x NFC East Champion
2x NFC Champion
First coach in Eagles history with multiple 14 win seasons
First coach in Eagles history to get to multiple Super Bowls

We moving him up the list yet?

Is it just me or is that "Change Vote" button getting bigger?

 

[Terpman22]

Update.

Regular season: 48-20 (.706) (3rd highest win% of all-time)
Playoffs: 5-3
2x NFC East Champion
2x NFC Champion
First coach in Eagles history with multiple 14 win seasons
First coach in Eagles history to get to multiple Super Bowls

We moving him up the list yet?

Isn't Sirianni a top 3 winning % coach all time now?

 

[eighsse2]

Update.

Regular season: 48-20 (.706) (3rd highest win% of all-time)
Playoffs: 5-3
2x NFC East Champion
2x NFC Champion
First coach in Eagles history with multiple 14 win seasons
First coach in Eagles history to get to multiple Super Bowls

We moving him up the list yet?

Isn't Sirianni a top 3 winning % coach all time now?

That's what it says in the post you replied to.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He's no Pete Carroll

 

[pinkstapler]

It is comical hearing people talk themselves into a corner and do some Cirque du Soleil style mental gymnastics talking about the Eagles. Especially when 90% of the arguments circle around the two positions on a football team most people claim to be the most important/have the most impact; head coach and quarterback. We've grown used to the debates where it must be either one or the other "were the Patriots a dynasty because of BB or TB?" "are the Chiefs where they are because of Reid or Mahomes?". But Eagles seem to be in a unique situation where an uncanny amount of people seem to believe both their HC AND starting QB are below average compared to the rest of the league. Asking them to explain this is when the amusing mental gymnastics begin.

Mythbusting NFL strength of schedule: Why the SOS valuation process is a big waste of time

The NFL schedule is growing ever more unfair

SOS is a joke and using it outside of anything other than betting markets is laughable. Any study ever conducted on it's accuracy over the course of any given season shows at best the weakest of correlations. And why wouldn't it? Wouldn't anyone with any sense of the game of football call it common sense that roster turnover, coaching turnover, and injuries alone will result in wildly different results year over year? Over the past 20 years an average of nearly 50% of playoff teams change year to year. We all watch. We all know this. SOS is an illogical arugment of convenience used to confirm biases already in place. And it's one thing to see a non-fan use it prop up a bad argument, but kind of frustrating to see "experts" do it knowing SOS is practically meaningless once we are even one week into the season. It's been show over the past few years Vegas is already better at predicting season win totals than the NFLs SOS, so may as well just go by that instead. It's lightly used by the NFL to help configure the next years schedule only because there is no obvious better solution. But to try and take that information and use it anywhere else seems asinine to me.

The most honest answers I've seen in this thread are by people who say Siriani is unlikable/a tool/has a punchable face, and that is why they wouldn't want him as a head coach. Similarly, people just hate Eagle's fans and then looking through those same glasses say they just don't like the team, and by in by, don't like Hurts, therefore he "sucks". Let's just stick with those explanations as at least there's some logical consistency in them.

I'm a Steelers fan. I will NEVER give Lamar his flowers. I'll twist every stat I can to point out that he's an overrated choke artist. Because "there's lies, damn lies, and statistics". But I'll also always admit what I just did here; I don't like the Ravens and I don't like their players. People need to just do that with the Eagles. Otherwise, I think Eagles fans are fully within their right to point out the hypocrisy, the "haters", the passive aggressive continuous derogatory comments that reek of bias built on logical fallacy followed up with the gaslighting retorts "whatever do you mean by that!!!!" while people clutch their pearls for getting called out on the obvious. I'm not a fan, but it's more than enough to have me rooting for them next weekend. Because from a macro view, I'm sick of living in a soft world where bystanders can say Dan Hurley is the best college bball coach in the NCAA, but the minute he says it himself those same bystanders say he stinks and want him strung up. Have the mental capacity to acknowledge both things can be, and very likely are, true. Both one of, if not the overall, best current coaches and an unbearable jerk. I get feedback from coworkers on my job performance on an annual basis and over many, many years my favorite has been, and likely always will be, a concise two sentence review "______ doesn't need to be nice to be the best at his job. And he is both not nice, and the best at his job."

"No one likes us, no one likes us, no one liiiiiikes us, we don't care....
We're from Philly, f****** Philly, no one likes us, we don't care"

Go Birds

~ A Steelers fan

 

[Terpman22]

It is comical hearing people talk themselves into a corner and do some Cirque du Soleil style mental gymnastics talking about the Eagles. Especially when 90% of the arguments circle around the two positions on a football team most people claim to be the most important/have the most impact; head coach and quarterback. We've grown used to the debates where it must be either one or the other "were the Patriots a dynasty because of BB or TB?" "are the Chiefs where they are because of Reid or Mahomes?". But Eagles seem to be in a unique situation where an uncanny amount of people seem to believe both their HC AND starting QB are below average compared to the rest of the league. Asking them to explain this is when the amusing mental gymnastics begin.

Mythbusting NFL strength of schedule: Why the SOS valuation process is a big waste of time

The NFL schedule is growing ever more unfair

SOS is a joke and using it outside of anything other than betting markets is laughable. Any study ever conducted on it's accuracy over the course of any given season shows at best the weakest of correlations. And why wouldn't it? Wouldn't anyone with any sense of the game of football call it common sense that roster turnover, coaching turnover, and injuries alone will result in wildly different results year over year? Over the past 20 years an average of nearly 50% of playoff teams change year to year. We all watch. We all know this. SOS is an illogical arugment of convenience used to confirm biases already in place. And it's one thing to see a non-fan use it prop up a bad argument, but kind of frustrating to see "experts" do it knowing SOS is practically meaningless once we are even one week into the season. It's been show over the past few years Vegas is already better at predicting season win totals than the NFLs SOS, so may as well just go by that instead. It's lightly used by the NFL to help configure the next years schedule only because there is no obvious better solution. But to try and take that information and use it anywhere else seems asinine to me.

The most honest answers I've seen in this thread are by people who say Siriani is unlikable/a tool/has a punchable face, and that is why they wouldn't want him as a head coach. Similarly, people just hate Eagle's fans and then looking through those same glasses say they just don't like the team, and by in by, don't like Hurts, therefore he "sucks". Let's just stick with those explanations as at least there's some logical consistency in them.

I'm a Steelers fan. I will NEVER give Lamar his flowers. I'll twist every stat I can to point out that he's an overrated choke artist. Because "there's lies, damn lies, and statistics". But I'll also always admit what I just did here; I don't like the Ravens and I don't like their players. People need to just do that with the Eagles. Otherwise, I think Eagles fans are fully within their right to point out the hypocrisy, the "haters", the passive aggressive continuous derogatory comments that reek of bias built on logical fallacy followed up with the gaslighting retorts "whatever do you mean by that!!!!" while people clutch their pearls for getting called out on the obvious. I'm not a fan, but it's more than enough to have me rooting for them next weekend. Because from a macro view, I'm sick of living in a soft world where bystanders can say Dan Hurley is the best college bball coach in the NCAA, but the minute he says it himself those same bystanders say he stinks and want him strung up. Have the mental capacity to acknowledge both things can be, and very likely are, true. I get feedback from coworkers on my job performance on an annual basis and over many, many years my favorite has been, and likely always will be, a concise two sentence review "______ doesn't need to be nice to be the best at his job. And he is both not nice, and the best at his job."

"No one likes us, no one likes us, no one liiiiiikes us, we don't care....
We're from Philly, f****** Philly, no one likes us, we don't care"

Go Birds

~ A Steelers fan

Post of the year here bravo.

 

[unckeyherb]

Reading through some of this thread is hilarious. Just, hilarious.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Reading through some of this thread is hilarious. Just, hilarious.

The Eagles win on Sunday, people in this thread. "Ok, he's top 20."

 

[Deamon]

It is comical hearing people talk themselves into a corner and do some Cirque du Soleil style mental gymnastics talking about the Eagles. Especially when 90% of the arguments circle around the two positions on a football team most people claim to be the most important/have the most impact; head coach and quarterback. We've grown used to the debates where it must be either one or the other "were the Patriots a dynasty because of BB or TB?" "are the Chiefs where they are because of Reid or Mahomes?". But Eagles seem to be in a unique situation where an uncanny amount of people seem to believe both their HC AND starting QB are below average compared to the rest of the league. Asking them to explain this is when the amusing mental gymnastics begin.

Mythbusting NFL strength of schedule: Why the SOS valuation process is a big waste of time

The NFL schedule is growing ever more unfair

SOS is a joke and using it outside of anything other than betting markets is laughable. Any study ever conducted on it's accuracy over the course of any given season shows at best the weakest of correlations. And why wouldn't it? Wouldn't anyone with any sense of the game of football call it common sense that roster turnover, coaching turnover, and injuries alone will result in wildly different results year over year? Over the past 20 years an average of nearly 50% of playoff teams change year to year. We all watch. We all know this. SOS is an illogical arugment of convenience used to confirm biases already in place. And it's one thing to see a non-fan use it prop up a bad argument, but kind of frustrating to see "experts" do it knowing SOS is practically meaningless once we are even one week into the season. It's been show over the past few years Vegas is already better at predicting season win totals than the NFLs SOS, so may as well just go by that instead. It's lightly used by the NFL to help configure the next years schedule only because there is no obvious better solution. But to try and take that information and use it anywhere else seems asinine to me.

The most honest answers I've seen in this thread are by people who say Siriani is unlikable/a tool/has a punchable face, and that is why they wouldn't want him as a head coach. Similarly, people just hate Eagle's fans and then looking through those same glasses say they just don't like the team, and by in by, don't like Hurts, therefore he "sucks". Let's just stick with those explanations as at least there's some logical consistency in them.

I'm a Steelers fan. I will NEVER give Lamar his flowers. I'll twist every stat I can to point out that he's an overrated choke artist. Because "there's lies, damn lies, and statistics". But I'll also always admit what I just did here; I don't like the Ravens and I don't like their players. People need to just do that with the Eagles. Otherwise, I think Eagles fans are fully within their right to point out the hypocrisy, the "haters", the passive aggressive continuous derogatory comments that reek of bias built on logical fallacy followed up with the gaslighting retorts "whatever do you mean by that!!!!" while people clutch their pearls for getting called out on the obvious. I'm not a fan, but it's more than enough to have me rooting for them next weekend. Because from a macro view, I'm sick of living in a soft world where bystanders can say Dan Hurley is the best college bball coach in the NCAA, but the minute he says it himself those same bystanders say he stinks and want him strung up. Have the mental capacity to acknowledge both things can be, and very likely are, true. Both one of, if not the overall, best current coaches and an unbearable jerk. I get feedback from coworkers on my job performance on an annual basis and over many, many years my favorite has been, and likely always will be, a concise two sentence review "______ doesn't need to be nice to be the best at his job. And he is both not nice, and the best at his job."

"No one likes us, no one likes us, no one liiiiiikes us, we don't care....
We're from Philly, f****** Philly, no one likes us, we don't care"

Go Birds

~ A Steelers fan

Excellent post, which will likely be ignored by a certain few posters in here. Posters who would literally find any way possible to discredit achievements based solely on what team this guy coaches, what team Hurts plays for, etc. Those few wouldn't be caught dead giving a genuine compliment, or admitting they were wrong, about players/coaches simply because they are Eagles. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the same posts from the same few posters, who are clearly not fans, who go out of their way to seek and comment on negative aspects of Nick/Moore/Hurts/Etc, instead of simply showing the slightest touch of humility and giving compliments IF they are earned. Let's say Hurts and Sirianni play and coach perfectly this week and win the game.... do you really think these posters would be posting about the game the next day? Or saying "wow he actually did very well". I think we all know the answer to that, and what that shows about their characters.

 

[JAA]

He has made the Super Bowl 2 outta the past 3 years. He has changed multiples coordinators multiple times over those 3 years.

People saying there are more than 8 people ahead of him are crazy.

 

[JAA]

Not sure why people want to give Sirarri the credit instead of Howie Rosieman. This team would be a lot different with an average running back opposed to Saquon.

How many years has Howie been the GM? What % of his SBs has Nick given Howie?

 

[JAA]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

If you go into the poll and click "see results" and then click on the vote it will tell you who voted for what.

Here are the people who voted to put Sirianni in the 29-32 range. Note to self: Don't value these posters opinions going forward.

• joker
• Mr. Landry
• dickey moe
• RC94
• Rubi
• BobbyLayne
• STEADYMOBBIN 22
• dblock05
• Runkle
• Chaos34
• Jam Session
• abrunn1133

This thread is aging well!