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Which Player Do You Wish Everyone Would Shut Up About? (1 Viewer)

zamboni

Footballguy
Dameon Pierce.

I think most would believe that he would take over that backfield amid modest competition, but the buzz has gotten way too loud and he's going to be on everyone's radar.

Loved that pick of yours since training camp started, but the cat might be out of the bag.

Another RB I've been taking everywhere I can is Gainwell, and I keep hoping the noise stays fairly quiet.
I read that Sanders is nursing a hamstring, so Gainwell's value not likely to stay quiet now even if the hammy isn't serious.
At the same time, it might depress Sanders value low enough that even I might take a flyer on him in the 10th or 11th round.
It's possible, although I think there will always be drafters who think this will be the year for Sanders.

I don't like to totally avoid players, but if there is one guy I am hoping that someone else takes, it's Sanders. Had him for his first three years, and it's just a tease owning him. I'll take him if he does drop precipitously, but fortunately I probably won't have to make that decision.
 

Stinkin Ref

IBL Representative
+1 to Gabriel Davis, current ADP is way too high based on a majority of leagues having at least one owner who believes the hype, as such I think if I ran 100 mocks I'd end up with zero shares
I ran literally 15 mocks at fantasypros last week out of the 12 hole against other actual people, not just the computer....and I was able to get Davis at the 5-6 turn every time......I think that is great value, but fear his ADP will keep creeping up...
 

Chaka

Footballguy
I am very high on Rhamondre, not Jerry Rice high, but high, I was merely pointing out how odd that comment was. It felt like a lazy assessment and, fairly or unfairly, makes me question the rest of that article.

I disagree and think it's not lazy at all. 40 times at the combine numbers aren't everything. 3 cone is super important but often not talked about as much. And we've been impressed with what we've seen and what people watching him live have seen on the size / speed combo. That's a bummer to hear it makes you question the rest of article and I do think that's unfair but I fully understand that's life on the internet. We'll keep doing our best to bring value.
I appreciate the defense. I could easily flip my comment back at myself for not noting that "combine numbers aren't everything" myself, I think most people are aware of that but it shouldn't be assumed. And even if the combine number were an immutable fact a 4.64, 40 does not preclude a specific player from having a wildly successful career.

It's a small critique of your writer for not being a little more specific, but 3-cone is a quickness drill not a speed drill. And 3-cone measurements also come from the same combines and pro-days so, like 40 times, they should be viewed through a reasonable lens.

Regarding the article you posted, okay. Did you include the link because the 3-cone drill was not included in their analysis and you feel it should have been? I agree. Because 1) the list is Rhamondre & Arian Foster followed by six guys no one has ever heard of (figuratively) , a decent career backup (Mattison), a backup who appears to be flaming out (Moss) & Carlos Hyde. That isn't a strong endorsement for Rhamondre and the author even says "The fact that Arian Foster is Stevenson’s top comp probably says more about how poor a prospect Foster was than the realistic upside for Stevenson." 2) I love analytics but the application of them to NFL players for the purpose of identifying comps is pseudo-science. We can apply all the statistical principles they want but when I read "I converted all the most statistically relevant stats and measurables to percentiles based on the thousands of prospects who have entered the NFL since 2006 at each position" I know that a large subjective component has been added to the initial analysis. That necessarily means the output is subjective. There are several others in the article as well. 3) I would be surprised if the accuracy of these types of analyses were any higher than reading tea leaves or throwing bones. 3b) Where are the year-end accuracy articles? Very few people take the time to go back and see how accurate their results were and that needs to happen if the model is to be improved in the future. 3c) Last season I included my head-to-head accuracy results from previous weeks in my weekly **Officially Unofficial WDIS threads, because I'm cool like that. And I figure people might want to know if they are taking advice from an insane person (yes, but I still had a solid record on my calls). So 4) what did we really learn from reading that article? Rhamondre may be Arian Foster or he may be Elijah Hood or he may be something in between...or better...or worse...

We all do this type of analysis, I love it, but I hope everyone realizes that we do it for fun not that it yields any sort of bankable results. What was Christine Michael's SPARQ score again?

At any rate JB, sorry for the rant. I hope you know I love your product and I apologize for throwing a little shade at one of your writers (do the cool kids still say "throwing shade"?).
 

Chaka

Footballguy
In all seriousness there's quite a few.

Kamara
Barkley


Lots of them and it's why I like to draft early and these 2 weeks before September are always so painful. Feel like I do more research then all my leaguemates, and they can just catch up for free without the work now :p
Sorry brother, they're not getting past me.
 

Dr. Octopus

Footballguy
I am very high on Rhamondre, not Jerry Rice high, but high, I was merely pointing out how odd that comment was. It felt like a lazy assessment and, fairly or unfairly, makes me question the rest of that article.

I disagree and think it's not lazy at all. 40 times at the combine numbers aren't everything. 3 cone is super important but often not talked about as much. And we've been impressed with what we've seen and what people watching him live have seen on the size / speed combo. That's a bummer to hear it makes you question the rest of article and I do think that's unfair but I fully understand that's life on the internet. We'll keep doing our best to bring value.
Plus ,"speed" at 230 pounds is different than speed at 210 ponds.
 

Chaka

Footballguy
Plus ,"speed" at 230 pounds is different than speed at 210 ponds.

100%
Yes, "catching" Derrick Henry isn't the same as "catching" a smaller back.
James White comp? Check
Arian Foster comp? Check
Derrick Henry comp? Check

Dude is skyrocketing up my draft board. Think I'm going to trade my picks in rounds 2 through 16 to move up to 1.1 just in case.

ETA: Please tell me I don't have to "ETA: I'm kidding" with a silly emoji 😜
 

Ministry of Pain

Footballguy
Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.
:rant:

JJSS being the number one receiver for the Chiefs is one I’m certain is going to happen right before my draft. Right now his value seems criminally low. he is my favorite late roundwide receiver, and I’m virtually certain that value is going to get crushed almost immediately before my draft. 🥹
I just got done jamming it Plus One...hit the Hardman and Chiefs Projections about the same time, but I love your post and it strengthens where I am at. Trying to get off Skyy Moore for 2022-Redraft, still high on him long term. Not sure Hardman will be on the team next year. Could easily be Schuster-Moore-Rookie WR '23 Class...they are getting ready to pay Mahomes a lot of money per year and you can't do that and pay other positions $25M-$35M a year, almost impossible so even if Hardman blows up they wind up in a similar spot they were this past off season.
 

Ministry of Pain

Footballguy
Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.
:rant:

From the August Update:

Running Backs​

An era of Patriots lore ended Thursday when James White announced his retirement. White had been hampered (and already placed on PUP) by a debilitating hip injury, so the team is at least prepared for life without him. They’ve added pass-game specialist Ty Montgomery to camp; he and holdover J.J. Taylor continue to split reserve snaps on passing downs. But Boston media seems convinced it’ll be Rhamondre Stevenson reaping most of White’s vacated pass-catching role. Boston Herald’s Andrew Callahan points out that Stevenson “flashed soft hands” and “became the rare [Patriots] rookie running back to contribute right away” in 2021, and offseason reports on Stevenson were nothing short of glowing. It’s fair to salivate over the idea of the impressive size/speed prospect taking over three-down duties. But Stevenson’s value would shoot into the stratosphere if presumed starter Damien Harris were to be dealt away, as was pondered last week by SI.com’s Albert Breer. Harris is coming off a 15-touchdown season but feels expendable as an injury-prone prodder in such a deep, versatile backfield. Neither saw action in the preseason opener, so it doesn’t appear Harris is actively sitting on the trade block. But the Patriots are never passive, and it would surprise no one to see him follow the Sony Michel route out of town in a contract-year trade. The team used the opener to get a better look at its rookies, Pierre Strong Jr and Kevin Harris, and the results weren’t encouraging. Neither has dazzled in camp, and the pair combined to turn their 14 touches into just 32 yards against the Giants.
These are the type of posts and these are the kind of moves that empower FF players like myself. I feel like I just got a juicy camp report that many others won't take the time to read that don't frequent this place. I already like Stevenson a lot and these types of entries only make me want to avoid Harris more despite the 15 TDs and see where I can find room for a guy that will end up on the end of someone else's bench when he should be on mine. It's scary trying to take a leap of faith on RS but at the same time he looked fantastic bouncing off tacklers and breaking one arm attempts. Not many RBs looked like Stevenson last year. Not only the Patriots but many other teams it feels like Stevenson could be starting material and that usually means a player is pretty good.

Thanks for sharing this in here
 
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TheDirtyWord

Footballguy
Rhamondre is probably the biggest one. But with my draft/auction next weekend, feel like the pain of his anonymity being blown to smithereens will have become part of my soul and I'll have gotten used to the new reality.

Chase Edmonds is a guy I really like. Last year, he was RB28 (FFC) with ARI having signed James Conner. This year, he is RB34 and the Dolphins went out and gave him some decent upfront $$ (unlike Michel/Mostert). So, I hope that stays quiet.

And I don't necessarily think Christian Kirk is Stefon Diggs. But Josh Allen wasn't Josh Allen until he got Diggs. And Lawrence has to throw to somebody. If you believe Lawrence with competent coaching starts to realize his massive potential, Kirk feels way undervalued.

Also feels like people are making too much of DeAndre Hopkins suspension. I don't mind taking cheap fliers on elite talent like this when you know they are going to be out because you can plan around their absence. But he becomes a WR1 come Week 7 in my book.
 

themeistersinger

Footballguy
Gabriel Davis
I’m afraid that train has sailed.

I did an NFC champions league draft a week and a half ago, and he went to pick 4.03.

Love the player, and he may well justify that draft capital, but it will be very difficult to realize a profit there.
I'm in Buffalo and I fully expect every Bills player to be over drafted this year in my league. We are all crazy pumped about the Bills, so it's very easy to get carried away. I'd be shocked if Davis makes it past our third round. The recent bias of 4 TDs in one game is tough to forget.
 

jm192

Footballguy
Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.
:rant:

JJSS being the number one receiver for the Chiefs is one I’m certain is going to happen right before my draft. Right now his value seems criminally low. he is my favorite late roundwide receiver, and I’m virtually certain that value is going to get crushed almost immediately before my draft. 🥹
Like both of these.
 

Hot Sauce Guy

Footballguy
Rhamondre is probably the biggest one. But with my draft/auction next weekend, feel like the pain of his anonymity being blown to smithereens will have become part of my soul and I'll have gotten used to the new reality.

Chase Edmonds is a guy I really like. Last year, he was RB28 (FFC) with ARI having signed James Conner. This year, he is RB34 and the Dolphins went out and gave him some decent upfront $$ (unlike Michel/Mostert). So, I hope that stays quiet.

And I don't necessarily think Christian Kirk is Stefon Diggs. But Josh Allen wasn't Josh Allen until he got Diggs. And Lawrence has to throw to somebody. If you believe Lawrence with competent coaching starts to realize his massive potential, Kirk feels way undervalued.

Also feels like people are making too much of DeAndre Hopkins suspension. I don't mind taking cheap fliers on elite talent like this when you know they are going to be out because you can plan around their absence. But he becomes a WR1 come Week 7 in my book.
I like all of these except Hopkins. He seems to be breaking down physically, and I question whether the PEDs we’re to aid in performance, or if they helped him heal up from soft tissue injury. Dude is 30, and he has taken a lot of hits. I’m avoiding. Of course that risk is built into his price.

YMMV.
 

Gally

Footballguy
Also feels like people are making too much of DeAndre Hopkins suspension. I don't mind taking cheap fliers on elite talent like this when you know they are going to be out because you can plan around their absence. But he becomes a WR1 come Week 7 in my book.
I am not so sure I would consider Hopkins elite anymore. Certainly very good but with injury risk and already missing many games means I am leery. I also don't see him as a WR1 anymore. Top 20 sure but not top 10-12.
 

TheDirtyWord

Footballguy
Rhamondre is probably the biggest one. But with my draft/auction next weekend, feel like the pain of his anonymity being blown to smithereens will have become part of my soul and I'll have gotten used to the new reality.

Chase Edmonds is a guy I really like. Last year, he was RB28 (FFC) with ARI having signed James Conner. This year, he is RB34 and the Dolphins went out and gave him some decent upfront $$ (unlike Michel/Mostert). So, I hope that stays quiet.

And I don't necessarily think Christian Kirk is Stefon Diggs. But Josh Allen wasn't Josh Allen until he got Diggs. And Lawrence has to throw to somebody. If you believe Lawrence with competent coaching starts to realize his massive potential, Kirk feels way undervalued.

Also feels like people are making too much of DeAndre Hopkins suspension. I don't mind taking cheap fliers on elite talent like this when you know they are going to be out because you can plan around their absence. But he becomes a WR1 come Week 7 in my book.
I like all of these except Hopkins. He seems to be breaking down physically, and I question whether the PEDs we’re to aid in performance, or if they helped him heal up from soft tissue injury. Dude is 30, and he has taken a lot of hits. I’m avoiding. Of course that risk is built into his price.

YMMV.
Hopkins is certainly the one I feel safest in my belief he won't catch fire draft position wise. But the guy caught 8 TD's in a little over 9 games last year. Feels like he's a pretty big part of what they do still. The year he was having was quite Mike Evans-esque.
 

Hot Sauce Guy

Footballguy
Rhamondre is probably the biggest one. But with my draft/auction next weekend, feel like the pain of his anonymity being blown to smithereens will have become part of my soul and I'll have gotten used to the new reality.

Chase Edmonds is a guy I really like. Last year, he was RB28 (FFC) with ARI having signed James Conner. This year, he is RB34 and the Dolphins went out and gave him some decent upfront $$ (unlike Michel/Mostert). So, I hope that stays quiet.

And I don't necessarily think Christian Kirk is Stefon Diggs. But Josh Allen wasn't Josh Allen until he got Diggs. And Lawrence has to throw to somebody. If you believe Lawrence with competent coaching starts to realize his massive potential, Kirk feels way undervalued.

Also feels like people are making too much of DeAndre Hopkins suspension. I don't mind taking cheap fliers on elite talent like this when you know they are going to be out because you can plan around their absence. But he becomes a WR1 come Week 7 in my book.
I like all of these except Hopkins. He seems to be breaking down physically, and I question whether the PEDs we’re to aid in performance, or if they helped him heal up from soft tissue injury. Dude is 30, and he has taken a lot of hits. I’m avoiding. Of course that risk is built into his price.

YMMV.
Hopkins is certainly the one I feel safest in my belief he won't catch fire draft position wise. But the guy caught 8 TD's in a little over 9 games last year. Feels like he's a pretty big part of what they do still. The year he was having was quite Mike Evans-esque.
And now they brought in Hollywood, and I see Moore as a talent as well. Plus Ertz, and Benjamin, and I believe Maxx Williams is back as well.

Lotta mouths to feed.

I agree he isn’t likely to rise though.
 

zamboni

Footballguy
Chase Edmonds is a guy I really like. Last year, he was RB28 (FFC) with ARI having signed James Conner. This year, he is RB34 and the Dolphins went out and gave him some decent upfront $$ (unlike Michel/Mostert). So, I hope that stays quiet.
I like the Edmonds call. Seems like many folks are devaluing him because he's too small and/or mired in an RBBC with Mostert/Michel. Maybe he's not cut out to be a workhorse, but he doesn't have to be one to put up strong fantasy stats. And there are few clear cut 3-down backs around these days anyway.

Your point about the Dolphins going out and giving him pretty sizable RB money these days is important IMO. Add that to the fact that he was one of the very first free agents signed, irrespective of position, and that does speak to the fact that they probably want to use him a lot.
 

Chaka

Footballguy
Nyheim? Your post is literally, not figuratively, the first mention I have seen of Hines in the SP since July 28th.

Where are people not shutting up about him?

Also curious about your take on why you don't want people talking about him? I feel we have seen max Hines, do you see an uptick in receptions with Ryan at QB?
 

ignatiusjreilly

Footballguy
Dameon Pierce.

I think most would believe that he would take over that backfield amid modest competition, but the buzz has gotten way too loud and he's going to be on everyone's radar.

Loved that pick of yours since training camp started, but the cat might be out of the bag.

Another RB I've been taking everywhere I can is Gainwell, and I keep hoping the noise stays fairly quiet.
I read that Sanders is nursing a hamstring, so Gainwell's value not likely to stay quiet now even if the hammy isn't serious.
At the same time, it might depress Sanders value low enough that even I might take a flyer on him in the 10th or 11th round.
It's possible, although I think there will always be drafters who think this will be the year for Sanders.

I don't like to totally avoid players, but if there is one guy I am hoping that someone else takes, it's Sanders. Had him for his first three years, and it's just a tease owning him. I'll take him if he does drop precipitously, but fortunately I probably won't have to make that decision.
You do realize that, by not drafting him this year, you're pretty much guaranteeing a breakout, right?
 

Hot Sauce Guy

Footballguy
Nyheim? Your post is literally, not figuratively, the first mention I have seen of Hines in the SP since July 28th.

Where are people not shutting up about him?

Also curious about your take on why you don't want people talking about him? I feel we have seen max Hines, do you see an uptick in receptions with Ryan at QB?
I posted about him quite a bit when I traded for him last month in my 16-team IDP dynasty league as my RB3. I love the opportunity in PPR. He's flex-worthy in 12-team, IMO

now everyone shush! :rant:
 

Jayded

Footballguy
Isaiah Likely - though I acquired him in all dynasty leagues I'm in. I'm a sucker for dynasty TEs and he seemed to stand out even before he was drafted. Getting drafted to a TE-friendly offense doesn't hurt, and now he's standing out in camp and in the initial preseason game as well. The secret is all but out and I worried it might mess up a deal I was trying to make for him or cost me a ton more to acquire him.
 

Chaka

Footballguy
Nyheim? Your post is literally, not figuratively, the first mention I have seen of Hines in the SP since July 28th.

Where are people not shutting up about him?

Also curious about your take on why you don't want people talking about him? I feel we have seen max Hines, do you see an uptick in receptions with Ryan at QB?
I posted about him quite a bit when I traded for him last month in my 16-team IDP dynasty league as my RB3. I love the opportunity in PPR. He's flex-worthy in 12-team, IMO

now everyone shush! :rant:
What is the logic for why he will be better rushing/receiving this year? Last year he finished as the #44 RB in my PPR. And that's total points scored on the season, in PPG he was RB#57. We suspended our league in 2020, but in 2019 he was the #39 RB (#48 in PPG). It looks like his year end numbers in 2020 may have had him break into the #25-#36 RB tier in total points, I am guessing he was #37 or worse in PPG.

He's a low end RB flex, only if you don't have a better flex option at a different position. On that last point, in my league there were at least 12 kickers who were free agents during the season who averaged more points than Hines did last season. I am sure there were plenty of FA WRs & TEs who were putting up more points per game than Hines.

IMO we have seen peak Hines and, in my PPR league, he isn't worth a roster spot.
 

Hot Sauce Guy

Footballguy
Nyheim? Your post is literally, not figuratively, the first mention I have seen of Hines in the SP since July 28th.

Where are people not shutting up about him?

Also curious about your take on why you don't want people talking about him? I feel we have seen max Hines, do you see an uptick in receptions with Ryan at QB?
I posted about him quite a bit when I traded for him last month in my 16-team IDP dynasty league as my RB3. I love the opportunity in PPR. He's flex-worthy in 12-team, IMO

now everyone shush! :rant:
What is the logic for why he will be better rushing/receiving this year? Last year he finished as the #44 RB in my PPR. And that's total points scored on the season, in PPG he was RB#57. We suspended our league in 2020, but in 2019 he was the #39 RB (#48 in PPG). It looks like his year end numbers in 2020 may have had him break into the #25-#36 RB tier in total points, I am guessing he was #37 or worse in PPG.

He's a low end RB flex, only if you don't have a better flex option at a different position. On that last point, in my league there were at least 12 kickers who were free agents during the season who averaged more points than Hines did last season. I am sure there were plenty of FA WRs & TEs who were putting up more points per game than Hines.

IMO we have seen peak Hines and, in my PPR league, he isn't worth a roster spot.
His coach won’t shut up about him, and has said flatly that he wants him much more involved. He even went so far as to recommend drafting him in FF. He is reportedly expected to be 2nd in receiving targets this year.

There’s reason for excitement. Now shush about him already.
 

Chaka

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
 

Hot Sauce Guy

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
He's a strong target for me where I go Hero RB.

He was drafted/is rostered in every one of my 5 leagues this year, so you might be telling on your leaguemates. :shrug:
 

Chaka

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
He's a strong target for me where I go Hero RB.

He was drafted/is rostered in every one of my 5 leagues this year, so you might be telling on your leaguemates. :shrug:
Like I said, there are a couple precedents for 5th year RBs reinventing themselves, Harmon & Sproles being most notable. Lorenzo White too but that doesn't seem like a legit comp for Hines.

But let's not talk about him like money in the bank, there are plenty of other late round reaches that people may prefer to Hines. The vast majority will end up as season long waiver wire fodder, like they always do.
 

Hot Sauce Guy

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
He's a strong target for me where I go Hero RB.

He was drafted/is rostered in every one of my 5 leagues this year, so you might be telling on your leaguemates. :shrug:
Like I said, there are a couple precedents for 5th year RBs reinventing themselves, Harmon & Sproles being most notable. Lorenzo White too but that doesn't seem like a legit comp for Hines.

But let's not talk about him like money in the bank, there are plenty of other late round reaches that people may prefer to Hines. The vast majority will end up as season long waiver wire fodder, like they always do.
Oh, not saying he’s money in the bank. I just think he’s going to have a significant receiving role. That alone bumps him up my PPR rankings.

I find it amusing that Sanders says “don’t draft me” and everyone immediately puts him on a DND list, but Reich says “draft Hines” and folks write it off as coach-speak.
 

Chaka

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
He's a strong target for me where I go Hero RB.

He was drafted/is rostered in every one of my 5 leagues this year, so you might be telling on your leaguemates. :shrug:
Like I said, there are a couple precedents for 5th year RBs reinventing themselves, Harmon & Sproles being most notable. Lorenzo White too but that doesn't seem like a legit comp for Hines.

But let's not talk about him like money in the bank, there are plenty of other late round reaches that people may prefer to Hines. The vast majority will end up as season long waiver wire fodder, like they always do.
Oh, not saying he’s money in the bank. I just think he’s going to have a significant receiving role. That alone bumps him up my PPR rankings.

I find it amusing that Sanders says “don’t draft me” and everyone immediately puts him on a DND list, but Reich says “draft Hines” and folks write it off as coach-speak.
Sanders who?

And it is 100% coach speak. He's not saying it for our benefit, he's saying it to pump up his guy. The only meaningful stuff was about him working out more with the WRs and his uptick in snaps played at WR last season, even if his receptions were down. The rest is boiler plate coach speak.
 

Deamon

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
Damn, how many roster spots do you have? He's going in the 10th round right now in PPR leagues, so unless your redraft is less than 12 rounds, he's getting drafted in your league.
 

Hot Sauce Guy

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
Damn, how many roster spots do you have? He's going in the 10th round right now in PPR leagues, so unless your redraft is less than 12 rounds, he's getting drafted in your league.
Exactly - I found that to be extremely difficult to believe.
 

Hot Sauce Guy

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
He's a strong target for me where I go Hero RB.

He was drafted/is rostered in every one of my 5 leagues this year, so you might be telling on your leaguemates. :shrug:
Like I said, there are a couple precedents for 5th year RBs reinventing themselves, Harmon & Sproles being most notable. Lorenzo White too but that doesn't seem like a legit comp for Hines.

But let's not talk about him like money in the bank, there are plenty of other late round reaches that people may prefer to Hines. The vast majority will end up as season long waiver wire fodder, like they always do.
Oh, not saying he’s money in the bank. I just think he’s going to have a significant receiving role. That alone bumps him up my PPR rankings.

I find it amusing that Sanders says “don’t draft me” and everyone immediately puts him on a DND list, but Reich says “draft Hines” and folks write it off as coach-speak.
Sanders who?

And it is 100% coach speak. He's not saying it for our benefit, he's saying it to pump up his guy. The only meaningful stuff was about him working out more with the WRs and his uptick in snaps played at WR last season, even if his receptions were down. The rest is boiler plate coach speak.
I think you're significantly underrating his opportunity and underestimating a valuable piece of information provided by his coach.
 

Chaka

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
Damn, how many roster spots do you have? He's going in the 10th round right now in PPR leagues, so unless your redraft is less than 12 rounds, he's getting drafted in your league.
Maybe. I honestly didn't check our previous drafts to see if/when he went.

Just checked, in 2021 he went 13.11 (12 team, redraft, ppr, superflex, 16 roster spots). In 2019 it was 13.06 - yeah that's dart throwing territory. Both seasons he finished as a liability in PPG & total points scored.

As I said, repeatedly, maybe this season he does something better than what we have seen previously but, ATM, he's not a target for me.
 

Hot Sauce Guy

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
Damn, how many roster spots do you have? He's going in the 10th round right now in PPR leagues, so unless your redraft is less than 12 rounds, he's getting drafted in your league.
Maybe. I honestly didn't check our previous drafts to see if/when he went.

Just checked, in 2021 he went 13.11 (12 team, redraft, ppr, superflex, 16 roster spots). In 2019 it was 13.06 - yeah that's dart throwing territory. Both seasons he finished as a liability in PPG & total points scored.

As I said, repeatedly, maybe this season he does something better than what we have seen previously but, ATM, he's not a target for me.
He probably should be, especially if your leaguemates are Similarly underestimating him. :hifive:
 

Chaka

Footballguy
LOL! The preseason hype train in effect. First, and only, stop HSG's pad.

Sure, maybe, why not? Sproles & Harmon are kinda, sorta comps and they didn't really get going until their fifth seasons.

He'll be undrafted in my league, almost guaranteed (and deservedly) so I'll put him on my FA watch list.
He's a strong target for me where I go Hero RB.

He was drafted/is rostered in every one of my 5 leagues this year, so you might be telling on your leaguemates. :shrug:
Like I said, there are a couple precedents for 5th year RBs reinventing themselves, Harmon & Sproles being most notable. Lorenzo White too but that doesn't seem like a legit comp for Hines.

But let's not talk about him like money in the bank, there are plenty of other late round reaches that people may prefer to Hines. The vast majority will end up as season long waiver wire fodder, like they always do.
Oh, not saying he’s money in the bank. I just think he’s going to have a significant receiving role. That alone bumps him up my PPR rankings.

I find it amusing that Sanders says “don’t draft me” and everyone immediately puts him on a DND list, but Reich says “draft Hines” and folks write it off as coach-speak.
Sanders who?

And it is 100% coach speak. He's not saying it for our benefit, he's saying it to pump up his guy. The only meaningful stuff was about him working out more with the WRs and his uptick in snaps played at WR last season, even if his receptions were down. The rest is boiler plate coach speak.
I think you're significantly underrating his opportunity and underestimating a valuable piece of information provided by his coach.
The valuable information was him lining up at WR more in camp and that he had a career high snaps at WR in 2021. I acknowledge both of those pieces have some value.

The stuff about him being in the backfield with Taylor, has been said thousands of times by coaches throughout the years and it rarely plays out that way. OC saying he carried the ball up the middle? Yeah, doesn't every back do that occasionally? Coach says draft him in fantasy? That's a load of rich creamery butter.
 

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