Guys I am high on:Terrell Owens- I am a Cowboys homerAny thoughts and ideas, before I post mine? If you had to rate these guys, what order?
i disagree w/ the assessment on holt,i believe the protection will be better this year allowing bulger to POTENTIALLY finish the season greatly impacting holt. not to mention linehan loves to throw the deep ball which is a specialty of holts'. seattle has gotten better defensively but san fran and az are still suspect. holt top 5.Guys I am high on:Terrell Owens- I am a Cowboys homerAny thoughts and ideas, before I post mine? If you had to rate these guys, what order?
Randy Moss- Brooks makes dumb decisions but he can chunk the rock
Andre Johnson- Look for a comeback season opposite Moulds
Reggie Brown- Will be the number one in Philly and will run with it
Keyshawn Johnson- In PPR leagues, he will be a great value pick
Derrick Mason- If McNair ends up there, he might get 80-90 rec
Boldin/Fitz- should be even better with some run support
Sleeper pick- Patrick Crayton (Dallas)- reminds a lot of coaches of a faster Cris Carter. Has great hands, not afraid to make the tough catch, has Glenn and Owens to clear open spaces for him
Guys I am down on
Torry Holt- This isn't the same Rams offense anymore, his numbers could suffer a little.
Any wide receiver in Green Bay
Any wide receiver in San Diego
Snoozer pick-Steve Smith- I think defenses will figure out a way to contain him a little more with some extra deep safety help......even though no one could figure out a way to do this last year....ok, youre probably right, I doubt this happens....
Seattle absolutely shut him down in the playoffs and I think that film will be used to help contain him next year.Snoozer pick-Steve Smith- I think defenses will figure out a way to contain him a little more with some extra deep safety help......even though no one could figure out a way to do this last year....ok, youre probably right, I doubt this happens....
If Favre comes back, with that piss poor defense, why wouldn't you be relatively high on one of their wr's? You might not think he'll be good value but that's different from being a 'top' wr. I don't know I agree with Boldin/Fitz. I could easily see Edge helping the passing game by opening lanes up but let's face it-there's only so many points to go around. These Cardinals won't be the 99 Rams.Guys I am high on:Terrell Owens- I am a Cowboys homerAny thoughts and ideas, before I post mine? If you had to rate these guys, what order?
Randy Moss- Brooks makes dumb decisions but he can chunk the rock
Andre Johnson- Look for a comeback season opposite Moulds
Reggie Brown- Will be the number one in Philly and will run with it
Keyshawn Johnson- In PPR leagues, he will be a great value pick
Derrick Mason- If McNair ends up there, he might get 80-90 rec
Boldin/Fitz- should be even better with some run support
Sleeper pick- Patrick Crayton (Dallas)- reminds a lot of coaches of a faster Cris Carter. Has great hands, not afraid to make the tough catch, has Glenn and Owens to clear open spaces for him
Guys I am down on
Torry Holt- This isn't the same Rams offense anymore, his numbers could suffer a little.
Any wide receiver in Green Bay
Any wide receiver in San Diego
Snoozer pick-Steve Smith- I think defenses will figure out a way to contain him a little more with some extra deep safety help......even though no one could figure out a way to do this last year....ok, youre probably right, I doubt this happens....
because Favre has a penchant for throwing hte ball to the guys wearing the other jerseys.. 1. JohnsonIf Favre comes back, with that piss poor defense, why wouldn't you be relatively high on one of their wr's? You might not think he'll be good value but that's different from being a 'top' wr. I don't know I agree with Boldin/Fitz. I could easily see Edge helping the passing game by opening lanes up but let's face it-there's only so many points to go around. These Cardinals won't be the 99 Rams.Guys I am high on:Terrell Owens- I am a Cowboys homerAny thoughts and ideas, before I post mine? If you had to rate these guys, what order?
Randy Moss- Brooks makes dumb decisions but he can chunk the rock
Andre Johnson- Look for a comeback season opposite Moulds
Reggie Brown- Will be the number one in Philly and will run with it
Keyshawn Johnson- In PPR leagues, he will be a great value pick
Derrick Mason- If McNair ends up there, he might get 80-90 rec
Boldin/Fitz- should be even better with some run support
Sleeper pick- Patrick Crayton (Dallas)- reminds a lot of coaches of a faster Cris Carter. Has great hands, not afraid to make the tough catch, has Glenn and Owens to clear open spaces for him
Guys I am down on
Torry Holt- This isn't the same Rams offense anymore, his numbers could suffer a little.
Any wide receiver in Green Bay
Any wide receiver in San Diego
Snoozer pick-Steve Smith- I think defenses will figure out a way to contain him a little more with some extra deep safety help......even though no one could figure out a way to do this last year....ok, youre probably right, I doubt this happens....
Ok, I for the most part like your list-save one name. Why the #### do people continue to pimp the likes of Andre Johnson year in, year out? WTF has this guy done to enthrall so many chumps? He puts up Eddie Kennison type numbers while getting drafted in the third or so round. I have a hard time believing he'll be able to live up to a "top fantasy wr" billing this year.
I hate to disagree with someone's opinion because it is someone's opinnion they're not saying they're right or wrong it's just what they think. However I've been pimping my boy Holt for awhile now on these boards so just here me out real quick. Yes, I agree they don't have Martz offense anymore but they do have Linnehan's. The same offense that just made C. Chambers a top 5 wr last year and made Moss the most feared wr in the game for multiple years. Linehan likes to get his #1 wr the ball. I believe Torry will get more targets than ever and will his talent the end result could be scary. Torry Holt has been one of the most reliable wr's in NFL history. Now bringing in a coach that likes to protect his qb and likes to get the ball to his #1 will make Holt a top 5 guy and in my opinion the #1 wr in fantasy football.Guys I am high on:Terrell Owens- I am a Cowboys homerAny thoughts and ideas, before I post mine? If you had to rate these guys, what order?
Randy Moss- Brooks makes dumb decisions but he can chunk the rock
Andre Johnson- Look for a comeback season opposite Moulds
Reggie Brown- Will be the number one in Philly and will run with it
Keyshawn Johnson- In PPR leagues, he will be a great value pick
Derrick Mason- If McNair ends up there, he might get 80-90 rec
Boldin/Fitz- should be even better with some run support
Sleeper pick- Patrick Crayton (Dallas)- reminds a lot of coaches of a faster Cris Carter. Has great hands, not afraid to make the tough catch, has Glenn and Owens to clear open spaces for him
Guys I am down on
Torry Holt- This isn't the same Rams offense anymore, his numbers could suffer a little.
Any wide receiver in Green Bay
Any wide receiver in San Diego
Snoozer pick-Steve Smith- I think defenses will figure out a way to contain him a little more with some extra deep safety help......even though no one could figure out a way to do this last year....ok, youre probably right, I doubt this happens....
I agree with this 100%.Unfortunately, Holt still has ADP of #18, so no real slippage there. What I really like about Holt this year, is that St. Louis has a capable QB backup should Bulger get hurt again.I once had a grade school teacher who bet on the Cleveland Indians every year to win the World Series, his thinking was the long odds would have to pay off at some point. Those putting AJ in their top 10 remind me of that.
I'd prefer Hines Ward to AJ, especially in a redraft. I suspect he can be had later in most drafts.
I'd also add Roy Williams and Chris Chambers to the above lists.
I'd love to see Holt fall in ADP.
OK, you guys are getting out of hand on this torry Holt issue. I said his numbers will suffer a little and I think they will. That is all fine that there is a new coach. I dont care who the coach is, it isn't Mike Martz. They wont be throwing the ball 200 times a game. Second, I have heard whispers, and not in just one place that the rams are still concerned about Bulgers shoulder holding up. He has had an injured shoulder two years in a row IIRC. He is due for a down year on top of all of that. I am not saying the guy is going to throw down 50 catches and 800 yards but I don't think he is going to be top three this season, maybe still top 5 but not top three. Again, this was MY OPINION.I hate to disagree with someone's opinion because it is someone's opinnion they're not saying they're right or wrong it's just what they think. However I've been pimping my boy Holt for awhile now on these boards so just here me out real quick. Yes, I agree they don't have Martz offense anymore but they do have Linnehan's. The same offense that just made C. Chambers a top 5 wr last year and made Moss the most feared wr in the game for multiple years. Linehan likes to get his #1 wr the ball. I believe Torry will get more targets than ever and will his talent the end result could be scary. Torry Holt has been one of the most reliable wr's in NFL history. Now bringing in a coach that likes to protect his qb and likes to get the ball to his #1 will make Holt a top 5 guy and in my opinion the #1 wr in fantasy football.Guys I am high on:Terrell Owens- I am a Cowboys homerAny thoughts and ideas, before I post mine? If you had to rate these guys, what order?
Randy Moss- Brooks makes dumb decisions but he can chunk the rock
Andre Johnson- Look for a comeback season opposite Moulds
Reggie Brown- Will be the number one in Philly and will run with it
Keyshawn Johnson- In PPR leagues, he will be a great value pick
Derrick Mason- If McNair ends up there, he might get 80-90 rec
Boldin/Fitz- should be even better with some run support
Sleeper pick- Patrick Crayton (Dallas)- reminds a lot of coaches of a faster Cris Carter. Has great hands, not afraid to make the tough catch, has Glenn and Owens to clear open spaces for him
Guys I am down on
Torry Holt- This isn't the same Rams offense anymore, his numbers could suffer a little.
Any wide receiver in Green Bay
Any wide receiver in San Diego
Snoozer pick-Steve Smith- I think defenses will figure out a way to contain him a little more with some extra deep safety help......even though no one could figure out a way to do this last year....ok, youre probably right, I doubt this happens....
By the time the season starts, Palmer will be a mere 8 months removed from injuring his ACL.If Chad Johnson has Anthony Wright throwing him the ball for any significant part of the season, his value drops significantly in my eyes.
I never said AJ was in my top ten. I just think he will have a bounce back year and put up the numbers people were expecting last year. I don't think 1000+ yards and 5-8 TD is out of the question. Not projecting 1500 and 15. I was talking more about some value picks, not that the guys on my list are my top ten.Those putting AJ in their top 10 remind me of that.
I am not high on any of the Green Bay receivers because who the heck are they? Donald Driver is decent at best and then..........Boldin was hurt a lot of the season last year. Warner was hurt a lot of the year last year. Both of these actions affected the numbers of Boldin and Fitz. If Kurt Warner and Boldin stay healthy this year, their numbers will be better. The addition of Edge also opens things up a bit. Teams will no longer be able to have their safeties come up and drape themselves all over the receivers because if they do, Arizona will actually have a player that can get some yards. Defenses will be forced to keep an extra guy in the box, thus leaving one of the receivers in single coverage. They will exploit this.If Favre comes back, with that piss poor defense, why wouldn't you be relatively high on one of their wr's? You might not think he'll be good value but that's different from being a 'top' wr. I don't know I agree with Boldin/Fitz. I could easily see Edge helping the passing game by opening lanes up but let's face it-there's only so many points to go around. These Cardinals won't be the 99 Rams.Guys I am high on:Terrell Owens- I am a Cowboys homerAny thoughts and ideas, before I post mine? If you had to rate these guys, what order?
Randy Moss- Brooks makes dumb decisions but he can chunk the rock
Andre Johnson- Look for a comeback season opposite Moulds
Reggie Brown- Will be the number one in Philly and will run with it
Keyshawn Johnson- In PPR leagues, he will be a great value pick
Derrick Mason- If McNair ends up there, he might get 80-90 rec
Boldin/Fitz- should be even better with some run support
Sleeper pick- Patrick Crayton (Dallas)- reminds a lot of coaches of a faster Cris Carter. Has great hands, not afraid to make the tough catch, has Glenn and Owens to clear open spaces for him
Guys I am down on
Torry Holt- This isn't the same Rams offense anymore, his numbers could suffer a little.
Any wide receiver in Green Bay
Any wide receiver in San Diego
Snoozer pick-Steve Smith- I think defenses will figure out a way to contain him a little more with some extra deep safety help......even though no one could figure out a way to do this last year....ok, youre probably right, I doubt this happens....
Ok, I for the most part like your list-save one name. Why the #### do people continue to pimp the likes of Andre Johnson year in, year out? WTF has this guy done to enthrall so many chumps? He puts up Eddie Kennison type numbers while getting drafted in the third or so round. I have a hard time believing he'll be able to live up to a "top fantasy wr" billing this year.
I don't have the time to look up the stats right now, but wasn't Chad Johnson performing near an elite level even before Carson Palmer became the starter?If Chad Johnson has Anthony Wright throwing him the ball for any significant part of the season, his value drops significantly in my eyes.
But John Kitna three seasons ago >>>> Anthony WrightI don't have the time to look up the stats right now, but wasn't Chad Johnson performing near an elite level even before Carson Palmer became the starter?If Chad Johnson has Anthony Wright throwing him the ball for any significant part of the season, his value drops significantly in my eyes.
Of course, Kitna never performed like he did before Chad Johnson emerged.Chicken or egg?But John Kitna three seasons ago >>>> Anthony WrightI don't have the time to look up the stats right now, but wasn't Chad Johnson performing near an elite level even before Carson Palmer became the starter?If Chad Johnson has Anthony Wright throwing him the ball for any significant part of the season, his value drops significantly in my eyes.
I didn't read your list as a top 10, although I'd love to see Reggie Brown as a top 10. I have however, seen and heard from others who rank AJ in their top 10. I might be mistaken, but I suspect AJ's ADP will be higher than Hines. AJ might pose value, but I highly doubt I'd take him near his ADP. At least until there's noticeable improvement at the line.I never said AJ was in my top ten. I just think he will have a bounce back year and put up the numbers people were expecting last year. I don't think 1000+ yards and 5-8 TD is out of the question. Not projecting 1500 and 15. I was talking more about some value picks, not that the guys on my list are my top ten.Those putting AJ in their top 10 remind me of that.
Nope he's still there. I have him ranked 22, but top 10 just isn't gonna happen for him.Andre Johnson? Did I miss something, or is Carr still the QB?
Heap was Wright's go to guy for the most part and his numbers never suffered. Add that Wright was the main reason M. Robinson had a good year and got the contract in Minny. CJ should be fine, even if Wright has to play a few more games thant expected.But John Kitna three seasons ago >>>> Anthony WrightI don't have the time to look up the stats right now, but wasn't Chad Johnson performing near an elite level even before Carson Palmer became the starter?If Chad Johnson has Anthony Wright throwing him the ball for any significant part of the season, his value drops significantly in my eyes.
I hear what your saying frank.he is very hard to rank right now.Moss? Moss may be a top 10 on a PPG basis, but his days as a top 10 at the end of the season are essentially done. The guy is hurt every year. Unlike elite WRs like TO, Moss cannot produce at an elite level when he's playing hurt.
You mean like Torry Holt did with Jamie Martin and Ryan Fitzpatrick?If Chad Johnson has Anthony Wright throwing him the ball for any significant part of the season, his value drops significantly in my eyes.
He has been hurt the last 2 years and last year was still top 15. The year before that he was on pace to break all records at the position. I'll still take a Moss who gets dinged up (like anyone could) over TO who has a good chance of getting benched or suspended.Moss? Moss may be a top 10 on a PPG basis, but his days as a top 10 at the end of the season are essentially done. The guy is hurt every year. Unlike elite WRs like TO, Moss cannot produce at an elite level when he's playing hurt.
I agree with you that Randy Moss is unquestionably the most talented WR in football. I also will agree that Brooks is an upgrade (albeit slight) over Collins. I don't believe he'll be a top 5 receiver though next year. Another new offense, a new QB, a new Coach.... just seems like too many X-Factors this year.I am also with you that Chad Johnson will be seriously crippled by Palmer's recovery. I am still hoping for the best though, as I love rooting for the Bengals.1. R.Moss - When helathy he is still the best and proved that early in the season last year. Brooks looks to be an upgrade for him.
2. TO - When not shotting himslef in the foot by opening his mouth, will be right along side Moss or above him as the best WR in the game.
3. S.Smith - Delhomme still has tunnell vision, I don't care how many WR they add...
4. Fitz - Ubber talent and makes his move into elite this year.
5. Holt - I'm a little worried about the new coaching, but not enough to slip him out of the top 5.
6. Chambers - This guy has had a world of talent for his entire career and most people only saw it for the 1st time last year. With Cpep and an improved Mia team, this guy continues his rise to stardom.
7. Harrison - Not much to say, still has the skills, still has Manning.
8. C.Johnson - Fantastic player but I'm worried about Palmers recovery for some reason.
9. D.Jackson - With a full season this guy should be top 10.
10. S.Moss - The little guy just continues to make big plays.
If GB trades Walker, Driver will again be a solid #2, great #3 (leagues that start 3 WRs) fantasy WR in 2006. Favre has to throw the ball to someone. I also think Favre trust Driver.If Favre comes back, with that piss poor defense, why wouldn't you be relatively high on one of their wr's? You might not think he'll be good value but that's different from being a 'top' wr.
Call me crazy but:
1) Terrell Owens
2) Torry Holt
3) Santana Moss
4) Steve Smith
5) Plaxico Burress
TO is going to go ape #### in a Cowboys' uniform. I think he'll hit the triple crown this year like Smith did last year. And I still think the Cowboys are 8-8 at best.
I like your list, a lot. Not because I agree with it, but because I have Evans, Ward, Mason, Roy, and Braylon in a start-4, 16 team league.I'll try...
Torry Holt, STL
Chad Johnson, CIN
Steve Smith, CAR
Santana Moss, WAS
Terrell Owens, DAL
Anquan Boldin, ARI
Larry Fitzgerald, ARI
Plaxico Burress, NYG
Lee Evans, BUF
Chris Chambers, MIA
Randy Moss, OAK
Darrell Jackson, SEA
Marvin Harrison, IND
Joey Galloway, TB
Donald Driver, GB
Hines Ward, PIT
Reggie Wayne, IND
Roy Williams, DET
Derrick Mason, BAL
Deion Branch, NE
Muhsin Muhammad, CHI
Donte Stallworth, NO
Braylon Edwards, CLE
Joe Horn, NO
Lee Evans waaayyyy to highI like your list, a lot. Not because I agree with it, but because I have Evans, Ward, Mason, Roy, and Braylon in a start-4, 16 team league.I'll try...
Torry Holt, STL
Chad Johnson, CIN
Steve Smith, CAR
Santana Moss, WAS
Terrell Owens, DAL
Anquan Boldin, ARI
Larry Fitzgerald, ARI
Plaxico Burress, NYG
Lee Evans, BUF
Chris Chambers, MIA
Randy Moss, OAK
Darrell Jackson, SEA
Marvin Harrison, IND
Joey Galloway, TB
Donald Driver, GB
Hines Ward, PIT
Reggie Wayne, IND
Roy Williams, DET
Derrick Mason, BAL
Deion Branch, NE
Muhsin Muhammad, CHI
Donte Stallworth, NO
Braylon Edwards, CLE
Joe Horn, NO
Until he gets a QB and preferably OL help, I concur.Lee Evans waaayyyy to highI like your list, a lot. Not because I agree with it, but because I have Evans, Ward, Mason, Roy, and Braylon in a start-4, 16 team league.I'll try...
Torry Holt, STL
Chad Johnson, CIN
Steve Smith, CAR
Santana Moss, WAS
Terrell Owens, DAL
Anquan Boldin, ARI
Larry Fitzgerald, ARI
Plaxico Burress, NYG
Lee Evans, BUF
Chris Chambers, MIA
Randy Moss, OAK
Darrell Jackson, SEA
Marvin Harrison, IND
Joey Galloway, TB
Donald Driver, GB
Hines Ward, PIT
Reggie Wayne, IND
Roy Williams, DET
Derrick Mason, BAL
Deion Branch, NE
Muhsin Muhammad, CHI
Donte Stallworth, NO
Braylon Edwards, CLE
Joe Horn, NO
I really like Lee Evans this year. He's young (25 years old, 3rd year in the league). He's averaging 16.5 yards per catch and 8 touchdowns per season over his first two seasons, with just 48 receptions per year.This year, he's finally the number one receiver, and I think he has a good passer throwing him the ball. When he played last year, Holcomb had a 67.4% completion percentage... In the seven games in which he had more than six attempts, he threw at least one touchdown in all seven games, and two touchdowns in three of those games. I admit Holcomb is fragile, but if he plays all 16 games, Lee Evans might be ranked too low on my list.Lee Evans waaayyyy to high
No Nate Burleson in any of these tiers? Dude caught for 1000 and 9 TDs in 2004 before getting hurt last year. I know he's a #2 in Seattle, but he'll put up better numbers than Derrick Friggin' Mason, and he's years younger to boot.I'll try...
Torry Holt, STL
Chad Johnson, CIN
Steve Smith, CAR
Santana Moss, WAS
Terrell Owens, DAL
Anquan Boldin, ARI
Larry Fitzgerald, ARI
Plaxico Burress, NYG
Lee Evans, BUF
Chris Chambers, MIA
Randy Moss, OAK
Darrell Jackson, SEA
Marvin Harrison, IND
Joey Galloway, TB
Donald Driver, GB
Hines Ward, PIT
Reggie Wayne, IND
Roy Williams, DET
Derrick Mason, BAL
Deion Branch, NE
Muhsin Muhammad, CHI
Donte Stallworth, NO
Braylon Edwards, CLE
Joe Horn, NO
I'd like to hear the argument for Evans a tier above Roy Williams.and I think he has a good passer throwing him the ball.
I dunno Holocomb, Nall ( for you Construx) and Losman = not so good.
While I like Evans upside, you have him a tier too high.
Nate probably should be on a list, around #40. Lower than Mason IMO by a fair amount. But then, I am assuming McNair heads to Baltimore.No Nate Burleson in any of these tiers? Dude caught for 1000 and 9 TDs in 2004 before getting hurt last year. I know he's a #2 in Seattle, but he'll put up better numbers than Derrick Friggin' Mason, and he's years younger to boot.
I think you can assume most of Evans' best games as ones with Losman at QB.I really like Lee Evans this year. He's young (25 years old, 3rd year in the league). He's averaging 16.5 yards per catch and 8 touchdowns per season over his first two seasons, with just 48 receptions per year.This year, he's finally the number one receiver, and I think he has a good passer throwing him the ball. When he played last year, Holcomb had a 67.4% completion percentage... In the seven games in which he had more than six attempts, he threw at least one touchdown in all seven games, and two touchdowns in three of those games. I admit Holcomb is fragile, but if he plays all 16 games, Lee Evans might be ranked too low on my list.Lee Evans waaayyyy to high
Evans' modest production thus far may just be lack of opportunity. In his first two years, he's had 12 games in which he's caught four or more passes:
2004 - WK 4 - 4 rec, 93 yds, 0 td
2004 - WK 9 - 5 rec, 64 yds, 1 td
2004 - WK 12 - 6 rec, 70 yds, 1 td
2004 - WK 13 - 4 rec, 110 yds, 2 td
2004 - WK 14 - 4 rec, 33 yds, 1 td
2004 - WK 15 - 5 rec, 101 yds, 1 td
2004 - WK 16 - 8 rec, 92 yds, 2 td
2005 - WK 11 - 4 rec, 69 yds, 0 td
2005 - WK 12 - 5 rec, 45 yds, 0 td
2005 - WK 13 - 5 rec, 117 yds, 3 td
2005 - WK 14 - 4 rec, 83 yds, 0 td
2005 - WK 16 - 5 rec, 107 yds, 1 td
TOTAL: 12 games, 59 rec, 984 yds, 12 td
Now, as the number one WR, I think 60 receptions is the low end for him...he'll probably be somewhere between 60 and 80 receptions. I doubt his level of touchdown production will increase much, but his yardage certainly should... Do you think 60-80 receptions, 1000-1200 yards, and 10 tds is out of the question?
A fair point, but who else is Holcomb/Nall/Losman going to throw to?2 concerns to meI think you can assume most of Evans' best games as ones with Losman at QB.