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Who could have covered Wayne better than Darrent Williams? (1 Viewer)
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thatguy
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These same people would also have been smart enough to realize that adjustments should be made. Blitz, try to get some pressure on Peyton, give Darrent some safety help over the top, etc. Darrent looked bad, but so would most DBs going against a top flight WR receiving passes from the game's best QB who consistently has 5 seconds to make his throws.
Hands_on_the_Heisman
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That was a brutal performance though. Look up "burned" on wikipedia -- There is a picture of Darren Williams.
Judge Smails
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I went against Reggie this week, and after seeing my 80 point lead vanish I would have been happier to see Flounder from Animal House covering Wayne then Williams... 
Blitzing generally is playing right into Manning's hands. The teams that give him trouble normally hurt him by disguinging their rushing, not by bringing the house. Easier said than done, but if you're blitzing and challenging him to make hot reads and those throws, you'll probably get lit up.
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"They're going to throw the ball wherever they want to throw it, just like we're going to play hard against whoever we play," said Williams, who'll start alongside Bailey. "But if they want to throw the ball and pick on me, I'm going to make them pay. . . . I'm not going to say I'm going to defend every ball. But you throw the ball 10-12 times on my side? I guarantee you I'm going to get one or two picks. Guaranteed."
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Umm, Darrent...that was the ball passing over your head to yet another wide open Reggie Wayne
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Umm, Darrent...that was the ball passing over your head to yet another wide open Reggie Wayne
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He did everything but say "Mark it down."
Darrent Williams didn't have a horrible day in coverage. If you want to blame someone for Wayne's big day, why not blame the D-line for their utter inability to get within 3 feet of Peyton Manning even 5 full seconds after the ball was snapped? Deion Sanders in his prime couldn't cover Reggie Wayne if Peyton Manning had 5+ seconds on every play.
If that's still not satisfactory, you could always blame Coyer for calling soft zone coverages the entire game. It's not that hard to get open when a CB is instructed to keep you in front of him at all costs. Faking the post and then coming back should get you open all day long, but it's not the DB's fault- he's just playing the defense that was called.
Darrent Williams could have had a much better day, and deserves to be laughed at for guaranteeing those interceptions and failing to deliver, but when all was said and done, he wasn't human toast, he was a solid CB playing pretty solidly in a defense that was just horribly suited to stopping Wayne. He even complained about the defensive calls and wanted to get permission from the coach to play more aggressively, but Coyer withheld permission.
If that's still not satisfactory, you could always blame Coyer for calling soft zone coverages the entire game. It's not that hard to get open when a CB is instructed to keep you in front of him at all costs. Faking the post and then coming back should get you open all day long, but it's not the DB's fault- he's just playing the defense that was called.
Darrent Williams could have had a much better day, and deserves to be laughed at for guaranteeing those interceptions and failing to deliver, but when all was said and done, he wasn't human toast, he was a solid CB playing pretty solidly in a defense that was just horribly suited to stopping Wayne. He even complained about the defensive calls and wanted to get permission from the coach to play more aggressively, but Coyer withheld permission.
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Then what happened on the other side?
SeniorVBDStudent
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fruity pebbles
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It's not so much that Wayne caught that many balls, it's that he was wide open for most of them. Half the time you couldn't even see Williams in the camera view when Reggie was pulling in the pass.
Gr00vus
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I agree with pretty much everything you said ex-Williams, but he himself did turn in one of the worst CB performances I've seen in a verrrryy lonnnnngggg tiiiiiiimmeeeee. Even when he was in on the play he got beat, he didn't cause any problem for Wayne even when he had tight coverage - catches were made above and around him regardless. He didn't get any help, but CBs have to play on an island sometimes and still make plays - he was about as far from making a play as you can be last week. Awful, just awful. If the Broncos can't find a way to generate a pass rush I think a serious weakness in their D has been exposed. Certainly it won't be opponents of the calibre of Wayne and Manning every week, but people will take advantage of that regardless.
Nigel Tufnel
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Harrison was getting open against Champ pretty consistantly, too- especially after Champ got injured in the second half. Go back and watch the game if you don't believe me. Like I said, NOBODY could cover for 5 seconds against Manning/Harrison/Wayne- not Deion Sanders in his prime, not Champ Bailey in his best season so far.I imagine the reason Manning picked on Williams instead of Bailey is because Bailey's a lot more explosive, and was more likely to make a "I can't believe that was humanly possible" type play even when Harrison was open. Harrison was definitely open for most of the game, though, and Manning could have gone there if he had to (iirc, Manning *DID* go there when he had to, converting a couple of third-and-longs to a wide open Harrison).
JayMan
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Not wanting to hijack this thread... but wouldn't it be "easier" for a defense to put their best CB (CB1) against the WR2 of the other team and give their CB2 safety help on the WR1 ?...
I'm not sure the Harrison/Wayne vs Bailey/Williams is a good example (physique, type of play, etc.) ...
but I recall a few years back the 49ers isolating Deion Sanders on Alvin Harper in the NFC Championship game and helping the other CB (can't recall who) against Michael Irvin - all game long... (while all the pregame hype was on Sanders covering Irvin)... the results were: Sanders shutting down Harper and the rest of the secondary shutting down Irvin...
This insure that you can cover a good element of their offense (WR2) with only one player (your best guy obvisouly!) and "gang-playing" their best receiver...
Shouldn't this be a better scenario? rather than try and cover their WR1 with your CB1 and having your CB2 getting torched by their WR2 (if their WR2 is any good!)
(This is for sure an exaggeration - you can't defend every play the same way... but a general idea)
I'm not sure the Harrison/Wayne vs Bailey/Williams is a good example (physique, type of play, etc.) ...
but I recall a few years back the 49ers isolating Deion Sanders on Alvin Harper in the NFC Championship game and helping the other CB (can't recall who) against Michael Irvin - all game long... (while all the pregame hype was on Sanders covering Irvin)... the results were: Sanders shutting down Harper and the rest of the secondary shutting down Irvin...
This insure that you can cover a good element of their offense (WR2) with only one player (your best guy obvisouly!) and "gang-playing" their best receiver...
Shouldn't this be a better scenario? rather than try and cover their WR1 with your CB1 and having your CB2 getting torched by their WR2 (if their WR2 is any good!)
(This is for sure an exaggeration - you can't defend every play the same way... but a general idea)
I've actually always felt the exact same way, although this year Denver isn't lining Champ Bailey up against anyone- they play him on the defensive left side 95% of the time. It just so happens that Harrison plays on the offensive right side 95% of the time, so their natural alignment caused the Bailey/Harrison matchup.
Ed Wood
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Good one, Nige. I'll add Professor X and Raymond Burr...
djb916420
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pats3in4
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This was also done because Harper was a 49er killer. He was huge in the two prior NFCCGs. Even in that Jan '95 game, there was a stretch in that game where Deion was dinged up for a few plays and the 49ers torched his replacement with a long pass to Harper. Those 49er teams *feared* Harper, thus the biggest reason Deion was put on him.On a related note, Harper parlayed those pre-Deion NFCCG performances into a huge contract from Tampa Bay. They thought he was a big-game stud. Fools.
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