Who gets charged with the fumble? (1 Viewer)

[hotboyz]

I lost this week by 1 pt and I just realized mike Evans is being charged with that fumble at the end of the Tampa game. He threw the ball back to Logan Mamkins who dropped the ball shouldn't Logan mankins be charged with the fumble? If a Qb pitches ball to Rb and he drops it who gets the fumble?

 

[BobbyLayne]

I lost this week by 1 pt and I just realized mike Evans is being charged with that fumble at the end of the Tampa game. He threw the ball back to Logan Mamkins who dropped the ball shouldn't Logan mankins be charged with the fumble? If a Qb pitches ball to Rb and he drops it who gets the fumble?

The last player to possess it. If there's not a clean exchange, RB fumbles often revert to the QB. How long have you been watching football? You've never observed how often QBs get charged with fumbles where they weren't the last player to touch the ball??

 

[hotboyz]

Been watching for 40 yrs a man can hold onto some kind of hope right?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Been watching for 40 yrs a man can hold onto some kind of hope right?

Alright bro - sorry that was a poor choice of words on my part.

To be honest I've never agreed with the way they score fumbles. It's your job to secure a pitch or take the handoff exchange. If you don't do your job you should be charged with a fumble. But it's always been whoever had possession last.

 

[Shrugs]

I lost this week by 1 pt and I just realized mike Evans is being charged with that fumble at the end of the Tampa game. He threw the ball back to Logan Mamkins who dropped the ball shouldn't Logan mankins be charged with the fumble? If a Qb pitches ball to Rb and he drops it who gets the fumble?

The last player to possess it. If there's not a clean exchange, RB fumbles often revert to the QB. How long have you been watching football? You've never observed how often QBs get charged with fumbles where they weren't the last player to touch the ball??

I remember Stewart getting charged with a fumble last week when Cam caused it by trying to pull the ball back on the handoff.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I lost this week by 1 pt and I just realized mike Evans is being charged with that fumble at the end of the Tampa game. He threw the ball back to Logan Mamkins who dropped the ball shouldn't Logan mankins be charged with the fumble? If a Qb pitches ball to Rb and he drops it who gets the fumble?

The last player to possess it. If there's not a clean exchange, RB fumbles often revert to the QB. How long have you been watching football? You've never observed how often QBs get charged with fumbles where they weren't the last player to touch the ball??

I remember Stewart getting charged with a fumble last week when Cam caused it by trying to pull the ball back on the handoff.

http://m.colts.com/videos/videos/HIGHLIGHT-Jonathan-Stewart-Fumbles-Colts-Recover/7cc978bf-0cbd-4f3a-8f78-ecc2a7e9f352

 

[BobbyLayne]

Sorry but no way can that be scored anything other than a JStew fumble.

The common scenario I was referring to is when the RB takes no steps carrying the ball, never gets control of it. The RB touches it last but the fumble always goes to the QB. On the play brought up Stewart has his hands on the ball for 3-1/2 steps, the last two after Cam pulls back, before the rain soaked ball squirts out. Cannot imagine how you can charge that to Newton, even though I agree his pull back contributed to the turnover.

 

[nastynate]

You can't fumble without having possession of the ball. Seems to make some sense to me.

The fumble didn't cause you to lose, Evans dropping 6 balls caused you to lose.

 

[hotboyz]

You can't fumble without having possession of the ball. Seems to make some sense to me.

The fumble didn't cause you to lose, Evans dropping 6 balls caused you to lose.[/quote

Oh yea there is that

 

[Shrugs]

Sorry but no way can that be scored anything other than a JStew fumble.

The common scenario I was referring to is when the RB takes no steps carrying the ball, never gets control of it. The RB touches it last but the fumble always goes to the QB. On the play brought up Stewart has his hands on the ball for 3-1/2 steps, the last two after Cam pulls back, before the rain soaked ball squirts out. Cannot imagine how you can charge that to Newton, even though I agree his pull back contributed to the turnover.

Watch the slow-mo replay. Stewart never had control of the ball. Cam still had his hands on the ball with Stew's hands over them, then he pulled out his hands and took the ball with them.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Sorry but no way can that be scored anything other than a JStew fumble.

The common scenario I was referring to is when the RB takes no steps carrying the ball, never gets control of it. The RB touches it last but the fumble always goes to the QB. On the play brought up Stewart has his hands on the ball for 3-1/2 steps, the last two after Cam pulls back, before the rain soaked ball squirts out. Cannot imagine how you can charge that to Newton, even though I agree his pull back contributed to the turnover.

Watch the slow-mo replay. Stewart never had control of the ball. Cam still had his hands on the ball with Stew's hands over them, then he pulled out his hands and took the ball with them.

I did watch the slo-mo replay, on a 30 inch HD monitor. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Not even sure what you are arguing - I stated Cam contributed to the fumble. But JStew took two steps after Cam releases. It's true he never had complete control, but he was bobbling it for two steps. Really don't see how you charge that to Cam. How many steps do you think is reasonable before you say it's no longer the QB who has possession? Or do you just feel like, well, JStew may have been the ball carrier for two steps, but since he didn't have absolute control over it, he never possessed it, so it can't be his fumble? If that's the argument, then I see where we are parting company.

 

[Shrugs]

If you never have control of the handoff, what does it matter for how many steps you are bobbling the ball? You still never had control, which provides alternative evidence to your assertion in the OP.

 

[BobbyLayne]

If you never have control of the handoff, what does it matter for how many steps you are bobbling the ball? You still never had control, which provides alternative evidence to your assertion in the OP.

He had the ball momentarily. It's not like it bounced off his chest (common in bad exchanges) or it's out away from his body and he's bobbling it. He had two hands and the ball is between them and against his body. He takes a full stride in that position. Real time it was very quick - in stride ooops out - but your position is really indefensible that you think that fumble belonged to Cam.

I assume you have watched it a few times and see it differently than me. I keep trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but when I go back and watch I cannot fathom why anyone thinks that fumble shouldn't be charged to JStew.

ASIDE - I own JStew

 

[Jack White]

Fumble clearly should be charged to Evans in this case.

In the bigger picture, no one loses a fantasy game because of one play from one of the nine players in his lineup.

 

[Joe Summer]

hotboyz?

 

[MattFancy]

So Evans loses 2 receiving yards. I was losing by .2 points against him. Now, it's even less lol. Awesome.