Who is Allen Hurns? (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

I swear there must be a sniper in Jax taking out all these WRs. WTF gives. Man, it's a great opportunity for Hurns.

 

[RushHour]

There seems to be a difference with how we perceive waiver wire WRs vs RBs. We fall over ourselves to pick up some third string RB who may get a chance if everything falls right, because we can see the RB1 upside. But with a guy like Hurns, who could be a startable WR3 every week, because he doesn't have the athletic profile of Dez, AJ or Julio, we think he's not worth it. I understand it's an upside thing, but there's really not much in his way at the moment.

 

[Joe Summer]

There seems to be a difference with how we perceive waiver wire WRs vs RBs. We fall over ourselves to pick up some third string RB who may get a chance if everything falls right, because we can see the RB1 upside. But with a guy like Hurns, who could be a startable WR3 every week, because he doesn't have the athletic profile of Dez, AJ or Julio, we think he's not worth it. I understand it's an upside thing, but there's really not much in his way at the moment.

Maybe because "startable WR3" isn't as appealing as "startable RB2"?

 

[cstu]

I swear there must be a sniper in Jax taking out all these WRs. WTF gives. Man, it's a great opportunity for Hurns.

As soon as Hurns shows up everyone starts getting hurt, hmmmmmm.

 

[MCguidance]

I was going to start a thread but did not want to clutter the pool so I figure this is a good spot to ask.

Who are you starting Hurns over?

I have the choice of Cruz, Jennings, and Latimer. Latimer is out, obviously, but I am leaning on keeping Hurns on the bench in favor of Jennings this week. You?

 

[Insein]

Just snagged him on the Lee news. I think everyone had him as the Ogletree but there's not much in his way.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

There seems to be a difference with how we perceive waiver wire WRs vs RBs. We fall over ourselves to pick up some third string RB who may get a chance if everything falls right, because we can see the RB1 upside. But with a guy like Hurns, who could be a startable WR3 every week, because he doesn't have the athletic profile of Dez, AJ or Julio, we think he's not worth it. I understand it's an upside thing, but there's really not much in his way at the moment.

It's a bigger gamble with receivers than running backs. Especially someone like Hurns.

 

[mrbigg]

how is his projection so far now that he got so many injuries ahead of him? I feel like I should bench Andre Johnson for him because of Johnson's ankle tweak

 

[Xue]

Per PFF data...

Hurns wasn't targeted that much more than the 3 other WRs who played.

Here are the targets/route figures:

Hurns: 8/40 = 20%

Brown: 5/25 = 20%

Lee: 8/41 = 19.5%

Robinson: 3/16 = 18.8%

 

[EastonBlues22]

I only saw a few highlights from the game.

On the 21 yard TD Lee released out towards the sideline at the snap and two defenders bit on that route, leaving Hurns to run untouched down the field uncovered. He made a nice play to catch a pass thrown behind him, and a nice job after the catch to get the TD, but it wasn't anything he did that led to him being open.

On the 34 yard TD Hurns again ran completely untouched down the field. The corner on him played him like he expected inside help from the safety, but the safety on that side bit on an underneath route by Lewis which left the middle of the field wide open. Hurns made a nice adjustment to the ball in the air.

For those who watched, did Philly adjust with any press coverage or double teams as the game went on? I can't imagine that teams are going to let him run free forever, and at some point they're going to stop cheating towards the bigger names. Until I see some evidence that he can produce in those situations, it's hard for me to get too excited about his long-term prospects. Right now he strikes me as a WR3/4 candidate based mostly on opportunity/circumstance.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Not sure what you watched but on the replays I saw he got open twice on nice double moves especially the big bomb he caught down left sideline from their 3 yd line... Safety saved the day by dragging him down but I think it was close to 40 yds down field

Also saw a blurb that Gus Bradley wants Henne to be more aggressive downfield and take more shots... Basically he wants him to be Bortles but he can't because he's Henne

Bodes well for Hurns IMO

 

[Otis]

Even after all the preseason buzz he still gets no respect.

Really bizarre. I get it when a y has success again the second string in preseason. I get it when a guy just has a single big week 1. But he led the league in preseason production and then blew the doors off week 1. All against real defenses. Not sure what I'm mission here. Sleep at your own risk.

 

[Otis]

What's the upside in this offense?

100 and 2

 

[puckalicious]

Every year, week 1 waivers has a hot WR that came out of nowhere, that everyone overbids on, and then does squat rest of the season. In my money league full of sharks nobody claimed him.

Remember these guys after week 1?

2013: Leonard Hankerson

2012: Kevin Ogletree (honorable mention to Stephen Hill)

I'm in a small roster league (no flex) so I'm not dropping my backup WRs like Boldin or Floyd (ARI). I'd rather go get Floyd on SD who is also on waivers.

JAX is a putrid offense so the opportunities just aren't there on a weekly basis, and you won't see defenses completely ignore Hurns again, just look at the 2nd half of week 1.

 

[damageinc]

I put in for him but had the 2nd to last slot in waivers in both my leagues . To my surprise I got him in both . No one was picking him up . So will hold him for 2-3 weeks and see if there is anything there. Totally shocked other teams did not grab him. Sometimes these guys work out (I grabbed Warner , Boldin when they came out of no where with big week 1's and won leagues with them) . The only difference I see between a Hurns and olgtree is that Hurns has been doing this all pre season. He was playing with the ones at times and was probably the best WR in pre season and he does not have any real stars in front of him like a Dez bryant etc. On the other hand he went invisible in the 2nd half Sunday as soon as philly started to pay attention to him and he has Chad Henne throwing to him. So its no given he repeats but again this is part of fantasy football. Picking up guys and some times they are Boldin, Samkon Gado etc and sometimes they are Olgtree and Frisman Jackson.

 

[beerbuff]

Because of his preseason and because of the health of the other wr's I think he is more likely to be this years Keenan Allen than a one week and done dud. He certainly is worth taking a flier on.

 

[CalBear]

Every year, week 1 waivers has a hot WR that came out of nowhere, that everyone overbids on, and then does squat rest of the season. In my money league full of sharks nobody claimed him.

Remember these guys after week 1?

2013: Leonard Hankerson

2012: Kevin Ogletree (honorable mention to Stephen Hill)

I'm in a small roster league (no flex) so I'm not dropping my backup WRs like Boldin or Floyd (ARI). I'd rather go get Floyd on SD who is also on waivers.

JAX is a putrid offense so the opportunities just aren't there on a weekly basis, and you won't see defenses completely ignore Hurns again, just look at the 2nd half of week 1.

In 2013 Hankerson was in his third year in the league. In 2012 Ogletree was in his fourth. They'd never done anything; their prospects are completely irrelevant to compare to a rookie playing in his first NFL game.

Since 1985 there have been a total of four receivers who've had 100+ yards in the first game of their rookie season: Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, Anquan Boldin, and now Allen Hurns. That's pretty good company for a waiver wire pickup (which Royal and Boldin probably were).

If you drop it down to 80 yards, you add:

Kenny Stills

Stephen Hill

Alshon Jeffrey

Doug Baldwin

Jordan Shipley

Louis Murphy

Johnny Knox

Kenny Britt

Deion Branch

Antwaan Randle El

JaJuan Dawson

Randy Moss

Marvin Harrison

Not as exclusive but still pretty good.

I wouldn't drop Michael Floyd or Boldin for him, but I'd pick him up over Malcolm Floyd who's the fourth receiver on his team (Allen, Gates, Woodhead).

 

[thehoch]

I picked up Hurns as a stash, waiting for Bortles to get his shot. I think once Bortles gets his opportunity, which could come here in a few weeks possibly, Hurns will be more dynamic with Bortles ability to throw the deep ball. Not to mention the Jags don't have much of a running game and they will be behind a lot, and having to pass the ball.

 

[GROOT]

This guy Is M. Colston Jr

 

[John 14:6]

I don't understand the concern of him being Ogletree 2.0. Like him most will get/got Hurns as a very late draft pick or as a free agent. If he fails like Ogletree from here on out, just cut him.

Now if we were talking about trading a big name player to get him, then there would be cause for hesitation and concern.

 

[squistion]

Every year, week 1 waivers has a hot WR that came out of nowhere, that everyone overbids on, and then does squat rest of the season. In my money league full of sharks nobody claimed him.

Remember these guys after week 1?

2013: Leonard Hankerson

2012: Kevin Ogletree (honorable mention to Stephen Hill)

I'm in a small roster league (no flex) so I'm not dropping my backup WRs like Boldin or Floyd (ARI). I'd rather go get Floyd on SD who is also on waivers.

JAX is a putrid offense so the opportunities just aren't there on a weekly basis, and you won't see defenses completely ignore Hurns again, just look at the 2nd half of week 1.

In 2013 Hankerson was in his third year in the league. In 2012 Ogletree was in his fourth. They'd never done anything; their prospects are completely irrelevant to compare to a rookie playing in his first NFL game.

Since 1985 there have been a total of four receivers who've had 100+ yards in the first game of their rookie season: Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, Anquan Boldin, and now Allen Hurns. That's pretty good company for a waiver wire pickup (which Royal and Boldin probably were).

If you drop it down to 80 yards, you add:

Kenny Stills

Stephen Hill

Alshon Jeffrey

Doug Baldwin

Jordan Shipley

Louis Murphy

Johnny Knox

Kenny Britt

Deion Branch

Antwaan Randle El

JaJuan Dawson

Randy Moss

Marvin Harrison

Not as exclusive but still pretty good.

I wouldn't drop Michael Floyd or Boldin for him, but I'd pick him up over Malcolm Floyd who's the fourth receiver on his team (Allen, Gates, Woodhead).

 

[cstu]

Hurns appears to have had the best week 1 rookie game since Boldin.

However, here's a closer look at his game:

Week 1 vs. PHIQtr	Time	Score	Down/Dist	Yardline	Description1	9:05	0 - 0	2nd-and-10	opp 34	caught pass for 34 yards TOUCHDOWN1	6:54	7 - 0	2nd-and-10	opp 21	caught pass for 21 yards TOUCHDOWN1	1:26	14 - 0	1st-and-10	own 1	caught pass for 46 yards (first down)2	14:22	14 - 0	3rd-and-7	opp 31	target of incomplete pass2	10:06	17 - 0	1st-and-10	own 20	target of incomplete pass2	7:58	17 - 0	2nd-and-7	own 45	caught pass for 9 yards (first down)3	5:29	17 - 14	2nd-and-10	own 19	target of incomplete pass4	7:26	17 - 17	3rd-and-8	opp 46	target of incomplete pass4	6:51	17 - 24	2nd-and-10	own 20	target of incomplete pass

 

[Ghost Rider]

The Ogletree comparison is just lazy. Ogletree was like the 5th option in Dallas, and just happened to have a great Week 1. Hurns should be a starter on a Jaguar team that will be losing a lot and needing to throw quite a bit to catch up. His upside is more than obvious.

 

[CalBear]

Hurns appears to have had the best week 1 rookie game since Boldin.

However, here's a closer look at his game:

Week 1 vs. PHIQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description1 9:05 0 - 0 2nd-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 34 yards TOUCHDOWN1 6:54 7 - 0 2nd-and-10 opp 21 caught pass for 21 yards TOUCHDOWN1 1:26 14 - 0 1st-and-10 own 1 caught pass for 46 yards (first down)2 14:22 14 - 0 3rd-and-7 opp 31 target of incomplete pass2 10:06 17 - 0 1st-and-10 own 20 target of incomplete pass2 7:58 17 - 0 2nd-and-7 own 45 caught pass for 9 yards (first down)3 5:29 17 - 14 2nd-and-10 own 19 target of incomplete pass4 7:26 17 - 17 3rd-and-8 opp 46 target of incomplete pass4 6:51 17 - 24 2nd-and-10 own 20 target of incomplete pass

Obviously the long receptions are what made the game as big as it was. But the breakdown shows he was still being targeted in critical situations (tie game, 3rd and 8 in the fourth quarter). His QB situation sucks but he'll have the opportunity to lead the team in targets, which is not something you can say for anyone else (formerly) on the waiver wire.

 

[mr roboto]

I can't believe no one put a waiver on him. It's really bizarre. I guess we all thought it was a waste of priority. Oh well, I snagged him in fcfs today and dropped Darren McFadden.

 

[az_prof]

What do I like?

1) The number of targets bodes well.

2) He adjusts to the ball and can catch badly thrown passes; think that is important when Henne is your QB?

3) He is establishing himself as a go-to WR--someone his QB can trust. He had that rapport with Bortles in pre-season and now seems to have it with Henne too.

4) He had great chemistry with Bortles--so I think when that change in QB happens it will only help Hurns even more.

5) He didn't "come from no where"; he led the league in the preseason.

6) He is going to be involved going forward because there aren't a bunch of star receivers on this team who come back from injury and displace him automatically.

7) The team is bad; that means they will be throwing all day to keep up and catch up. Lots of examples of even marginal WR talents doing well on bad teams.

What concerns me?

1) He is a rookie; I want to see him do it again. And again. FF thrives on consistency.

2) He is not a great physical specimen--4.58 speed is less than average and his high jump was horrible. But I have learned over the years that those physical measures are not the most important thing, especially for receivers. Good and natural hands cannot be taught (remember DHB or Troy Williamson?). The ability to track a ball over your shoulder is tough to teach too. Running good routes can be taught but think of how many "physical," young WRs struggle with route running. Hurns has great hands, tracks the ball well, and runs good routes. That's why he is doing so well. And so far, he has stayed healthy. Staying healthy is critical for young WRs--look at Odell Beckham? I can think of many first and second round "stud" rookies who never amounted to anything because they couldn't catch, run routes or stay healthy.

What I find funny about reaction to Hurns week 1 is that if Lee or Allen Robinson had done the same thing there would be band wagon threads about how great they are and how they are super star studs. Yes, they were higher draft picks. Yes, that means something initially. But at some point you have to look at on-field performance. If Hurns were not on a team that had also drafted two other young WRs in the second round, I think reaction would be different. There are a lot of Lee and Robinson owners who don't want to believe that they drafted the wrong guy. And so they don't look very carefully. They ignore that Hurns is not some over performing small school guy who just got lucky; he had a great season in Miami and played against big boys in college.

I don't expect him to match Week 1 too often this year, but he won't disappear. I still think he will be about here by the end of the year: 60-70 receptions; 800-900 yards; 7-9 Tds.

 

[cstu]

Hurns appears to have had the best week 1 rookie game since Boldin.

However, here's a closer look at his game:

Week 1 vs. PHIQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description1 9:05 0 - 0 2nd-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 34 yards TOUCHDOWN1 6:54 7 - 0 2nd-and-10 opp 21 caught pass for 21 yards TOUCHDOWN1 1:26 14 - 0 1st-and-10 own 1 caught pass for 46 yards (first down)2 14:22 14 - 0 3rd-and-7 opp 31 target of incomplete pass2 10:06 17 - 0 1st-and-10 own 20 target of incomplete pass2 7:58 17 - 0 2nd-and-7 own 45 caught pass for 9 yards (first down)3 5:29 17 - 14 2nd-and-10 own 19 target of incomplete pass4 7:26 17 - 17 3rd-and-8 opp 46 target of incomplete pass4 6:51 17 - 24 2nd-and-10 own 20 target of incomplete pass

Obviously the long receptions are what made the game as big as it was. But the breakdown shows he was still being targeted in critical situations (tie game, 3rd and 8 in the fourth quarter). His QB situation sucks but he'll have the opportunity to lead the team in targets, which is not something you can say for anyone else (formerly) on the waiver wire.

3 incomplete targets in the 2nd half when Henne threw 26 times is not encouraging to me.

 

[CalBear]

Hurns appears to have had the best week 1 rookie game since Boldin.

However, here's a closer look at his game:

Week 1 vs. PHIQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description1 9:05 0 - 0 2nd-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 34 yards TOUCHDOWN1 6:54 7 - 0 2nd-and-10 opp 21 caught pass for 21 yards TOUCHDOWN1 1:26 14 - 0 1st-and-10 own 1 caught pass for 46 yards (first down)2 14:22 14 - 0 3rd-and-7 opp 31 target of incomplete pass2 10:06 17 - 0 1st-and-10 own 20 target of incomplete pass2 7:58 17 - 0 2nd-and-7 own 45 caught pass for 9 yards (first down)3 5:29 17 - 14 2nd-and-10 own 19 target of incomplete pass4 7:26 17 - 17 3rd-and-8 opp 46 target of incomplete pass4 6:51 17 - 24 2nd-and-10 own 20 target of incomplete pass

Obviously the long receptions are what made the game as big as it was. But the breakdown shows he was still being targeted in critical situations (tie game, 3rd and 8 in the fourth quarter). His QB situation sucks but he'll have the opportunity to lead the team in targets, which is not something you can say for anyone else (formerly) on the waiver wire.

3 incomplete targets in the 2nd half when Henne threw 26 times is not encouraging to me.

And three completions for 101 yards and two TDs in the first quarter is a little encouraging. Marcedes Lewis caught 6 passes, which is something he's now done five times in nine years in the league; I'm willing to assume that he won't do that more than once again this season. Hurns and Lee are extremely likely to be the top two targets in Jacksonville; it's too early to say who will be #1, but it could easily be Hurns.

 

[Insein]

The guy that needs to worry in Jax is Cecil Shorts. If he can't stay healthy, he could be the odd man out with the new regime.

 

[saintfool]

And three completions for 101 yards and two TDs in the first quarter is a little encouraging. Marcedes Lewis caught 6 passes, which is something he's now done five times in nine years in the league; I'm willing to assume that he won't do that more than once again this season. Hurns and Lee are extremely likely to be the top two targets in Jacksonville; it's too early to say who will be #1, but it could easily be Hurns.

You mean this week, right? Pretty weak case to suggest he's leapfrogged Robinson, Short, or even Sanders long-term. We know that he had a great week but that's it. I'd like to see how things stack up once the four likely candidates are healthy and in shape before deciding the final depth chart.

 

[Joe Summer]

And three completions for 101 yards and two TDs in the first quarter is a little encouraging.

Why would that be encouraging? It screams "fluke".

 

[cstu]

Here are the three best week 1 games by a rookie WR since 2002:

        NAME 	        POS 	YR 	TARG 	REC 	RECYD 	YD/REC 	FD 	RECTD 	FANT PT21	Allen Hurns	wr	2014	9	4	110	27.5000	4	2	23.000026	Eddie Royal	wr	2008	11	9	146	16.2222	7	1	21.500030	Stephen Hill	wr	2012	6	5	89	17.8000	5	2	20.9000

 

[Henry Ford]

Here are the three best week 1 games by a rookie WR since 2002:

NAME POS YR TARG REC RECYD YD/REC FD RECTD FANT PT21 Allen Hurns wr 2014 9 4 110 27.5000 4 2 23.000026 Eddie Royal wr 2008 11 9 146 16.2222 7 1 21.500030 Stephen Hill wr 2012 6 5 89 17.8000 5 2 20.9000

Since what year? Boldin had 217 and 2 TDs in 2003.

 

[just_want_2_win]

Some news to bump Hurns:

Rotoworld:

Speaking Thursday, Jaguars coach Gus Bradley said it "(wasn't) exactly good" that Cecil Shorts was downgraded to DNP after being limited on Wednesday.
"I'm not sure what's going to happen from here on, but we'll see how it goes," Shorts said afterward. It sounds like Shorts can be safely ruled out for Week 2, but Bradley said injured reserve/designated to return has yet to be discussed as a possibility. Shorts simply can't get his leg healthy, and could need a multi-week absence to get in shape.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/294600/jaguars-concerned-about-cecil-shorts-status

 

[Flying Elvis]

And three completions for 101 yards and two TDs in the first quarter is a little encouraging. Marcedes Lewis caught 6 passes, which is something he's now done five times in nine years in the league; I'm willing to assume that he won't do that more than once again this season. Hurns and Lee are extremely likely to be the top two targets in Jacksonville; it's too early to say who will be #1, but it could easily be Hurns.

You mean this week, right? Pretty weak case to suggest he's leapfrogged Robinson, Short, or even Sanders long-term. We know that he had a great week but that's it. I'd like to see how things stack up once the four likely candidates are healthy and in shape before deciding the final depth chart.

While you wait "to see how things stack up" he'll be making his way onto somebody else's roster in your league. Good luck with that approach.

 

[cstu]

Here are the three best week 1 games by a rookie WR since 2002:

NAME POS YR TARG REC RECYD YD/REC FD RECTD FANT PT21 Allen Hurns wr 2014 9 4 110 27.5000 4 2 23.000026 Eddie Royal wr 2008 11 9 146 16.2222 7 1 21.500030 Stephen Hill wr 2012 6 5 89 17.8000 5 2 20.9000

Since what year? Boldin had 217 and 2 TDs in 2003.

That was back to 2002 (as far back as the Data Dominator goes) but I left Boldin off since I mentioned him earlier. Boldin is #1 by a mile - 14 targets for 10/217/2.

 

[babydemon90]

I was going to start a thread but did not want to clutter the pool so I figure this is a good spot to ask.

Who are you starting Hurns over?

I have the choice of Cruz, Jennings, and Latimer. Latimer is out, obviously, but I am leaning on keeping Hurns on the bench in favor of Jennings this week. You?

starting him over last year's breakout, Keenan Allen. Not long term, but with Allen vs Seattle this week...

 

[CalBear]

And three completions for 101 yards and two TDs in the first quarter is a little encouraging. Marcedes Lewis caught 6 passes, which is something he's now done five times in nine years in the league; I'm willing to assume that he won't do that more than once again this season. Hurns and Lee are extremely likely to be the top two targets in Jacksonville; it's too early to say who will be #1, but it could easily be Hurns.

You mean this week, right? Pretty weak case to suggest he's leapfrogged Robinson, Short, or even Sanders long-term. We know that he had a great week but that's it. I'd like to see how things stack up once the four likely candidates are healthy and in shape before deciding the final depth chart.

Shorts has never played a full season and he's hurt again with no clear timeline for his return. Even when he's played he hasn't shown much; 13 games last year, 66/777/3. He's never had a 2-TD game in his career.

Why would you think Hurns has to "leapfrog" Robinson? He had 9 targets to Robinson's 3 in week 1. And Sanders can't even practice with the team until week 5, there's no way he'll come back into a starting role (except at KR).

Football is about opportunity. Keenan Allen last year wouldn't have had the season he had if there weren't a bunch of injuries ahead of him, but given the opportunity, he showed he can play and now has solidified himself as a top receiver. Given the opportunity because of injuries and suspensions, Hurns led the NFL in receiving in the pre-season, and then had one of the top-10 rookie WR debut games of all time. You can sit on the sidelines and wait for Robinson and Sanders; I'm sure you'll be able to get them on the waiver wire for a long while.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/9/8/6123215/allen-hurns-cary-williams-excuse-eagles-vs-jaguars

Jacksonville Jaguars rookie wide receiver Allen Hurns had a historic day against the Philadelphia Eagles, catching four passes for 110 yards and two touchdowns. He didn't appear to impress veteran corner Cary Williams however, as Williams seemed to brush off Hurns' performance on Sunday.

"We gave him a lot of things, and that's the bottom line," Williams told The Philadelphia Daily News.

 

[Xue]

And three completions for 101 yards and two TDs in the first quarter is a little encouraging. Marcedes Lewis caught 6 passes, which is something he's now done five times in nine years in the league; I'm willing to assume that he won't do that more than once again this season. Hurns and Lee are extremely likely to be the top two targets in Jacksonville; it's too early to say who will be #1, but it could easily be Hurns.

You mean this week, right? Pretty weak case to suggest he's leapfrogged Robinson, Short, or even Sanders long-term. We know that he had a great week but that's it. I'd like to see how things stack up once the four likely candidates are healthy and in shape before deciding the final depth chart.

Shorts has never played a full season and he's hurt again with no clear timeline for his return. Even when he's played he hasn't shown much; 13 games last year, 66/777/3. He's never had a 2-TD game in his career.

Why would you think Hurns has to "leapfrog" Robinson? He had 9 targets to Robinson's 3 in week 1. And Sanders can't even practice with the team until week 5, there's no way he'll come back into a starting role (except at KR).

Football is about opportunity. Keenan Allen last year wouldn't have had the season he had if there weren't a bunch of injuries ahead of him, but given the opportunity, he showed he can play and now has solidified himself as a top receiver. Given the opportunity because of injuries and suspensions, Hurns led the NFL in receiving in the pre-season, and then had one of the top-10 rookie WR debut games of all time. You can sit on the sidelines and wait for Robinson and Sanders; I'm sure you'll be able to get them on the waiver wire for a long while.

Keenan Allen showed he can play since his Freshman year in college. Hurns is nowhere near as comparable to Allen if you are looking at the overall profile.

Hurns will be the WR4 at best on his own team when everyone else is healthy.

Robinson had less targets because he played less snaps. He also didn't practice much so it shouldn't surprise anyone that he wasn't a big part of the gameplan. He had a lot of positive buzz in camp and made some impressive catches when healthy.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He wasn't all that impressive at the "U" although over the last decade there are many Canes who were just OK in college and then were developd better at the pro level. Jimmy Graham, Sam Shields, several Canes have turned it on more once they got to the NFL.

I still have some questions about his early success but the door is open in Jax right now.

 

[Otis]

Every year, week 1 waivers has a hot WR that came out of nowhere, that everyone overbids on, and then does squat rest of the season. In my money league full of sharks nobody claimed him.

Remember these guys after week 1?

2013: Leonard Hankerson

2012: Kevin Ogletree (honorable mention to Stephen Hill)

I'm in a small roster league (no flex) so I'm not dropping my backup WRs like Boldin or Floyd (ARI). I'd rather go get Floyd on SD who is also on waivers.

JAX is a putrid offense so the opportunities just aren't there on a weekly basis, and you won't see defenses completely ignore Hurns again, just look at the 2nd half of week 1.

Replace this with Anquan Boldin in his rookie year after week 1. Same thing.

 

[Xue]

Every year, week 1 waivers has a hot WR that came out of nowhere, that everyone overbids on, and then does squat rest of the season. In my money league full of sharks nobody claimed him.

Remember these guys after week 1?

2013: Leonard Hankerson

2012: Kevin Ogletree (honorable mention to Stephen Hill)

I'm in a small roster league (no flex) so I'm not dropping my backup WRs like Boldin or Floyd (ARI). I'd rather go get Floyd on SD who is also on waivers.

JAX is a putrid offense so the opportunities just aren't there on a weekly basis, and you won't see defenses completely ignore Hurns again, just look at the 2nd half of week 1.

Replace this with Anquan Boldin in his rookie year after week 1. Same thing.

Anquan Boldin and Allen Hurns are nowhere comparable.

 

[az_prof]

Every year, week 1 waivers has a hot WR that came out of nowhere, that everyone overbids on, and then does squat rest of the season. In my money league full of sharks nobody claimed him.

Remember these guys after week 1?

2013: Leonard Hankerson

2012: Kevin Ogletree (honorable mention to Stephen Hill)

I'm in a small roster league (no flex) so I'm not dropping my backup WRs like Boldin or Floyd (ARI). I'd rather go get Floyd on SD who is also on waivers.

JAX is a putrid offense so the opportunities just aren't there on a weekly basis, and you won't see defenses completely ignore Hurns again, just look at the 2nd half of week 1.

Replace this with Anquan Boldin in his rookie year after week 1. Same thing.

Anquan Boldin and Allen Hurns are nowhere comparable.

I wouldn't say "nowhere comparable." They both had slow 40 times--Boldin's far slower (4.72 for Boldin compared to 4.55 for Hurns). Comparable heigh; Boldin is thicker though. Vertical leap for both was unimpressive--31 inches for Hurns and 33 for Boldin. 10 yard dash pretty pedestrian--1.6 for Boldin and 1.58 for Hurns. Neither of them were physical specimens in their Combine. Three cone drill for Boldin--7.35 and for Hurns--7.23 is not great. Boldin WAS drafted in the second round and Hurns fell out of the draft--so there is that difference. But both have exceptional hands and catching. Both run good routes. Similar.

Boldin had a great rookie year. Hurns is on pace to have one.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Every year, week 1 waivers has a hot WR that came out of nowhere, that everyone overbids on, and then does squat rest of the season. In my money league full of sharks nobody claimed him.

Remember these guys after week 1?

2013: Leonard Hankerson

2012: Kevin Ogletree (honorable mention to Stephen Hill)

I'm in a small roster league (no flex) so I'm not dropping my backup WRs like Boldin or Floyd (ARI). I'd rather go get Floyd on SD who is also on waivers.

JAX is a putrid offense so the opportunities just aren't there on a weekly basis, and you won't see defenses completely ignore Hurns again, just look at the 2nd half of week 1.

Replace this with Anquan Boldin in his rookie year after week 1. Same thing.

Anquan Boldin and Allen Hurns are nowhere comparable.

I wouldn't say "nowhere comparable." They both had slow 40 times--Boldin's far slower (4.72 for Boldin compared to 4.55 for Hurns). Comparable heigh; Boldin is thicker though. Vertical leap for both was unimpressive--31 inches for Hurns and 33 for Boldin. 10 yard dash pretty pedestrian--1.6 for Boldin and 1.58 for Hurns. Neither of them were physical specimens in their Combine. Three cone drill for Boldin--7.35 and for Hurns--7.23 is not great. Boldin WAS drafted in the second round and Hurns fell out of the draft--so there is that difference. But both have exceptional hands and catching. Both run good routes. Similar.

Boldin had a great rookie year. Hurns is on pace to have one.

By your logic, Hurns is on pace to shatter the single season TD record.

 

[saintfool]

And three completions for 101 yards and two TDs in the first quarter is a little encouraging. Marcedes Lewis caught 6 passes, which is something he's now done five times in nine years in the league; I'm willing to assume that he won't do that more than once again this season. Hurns and Lee are extremely likely to be the top two targets in Jacksonville; it's too early to say who will be #1, but it could easily be Hurns.

You mean this week, right? Pretty weak case to suggest he's leapfrogged Robinson, Short, or even Sanders long-term. We know that he had a great week but that's it. I'd like to see how things stack up once the four likely candidates are healthy and in shape before deciding the final depth chart.

Shorts has never played a full season and he's hurt again with no clear timeline for his return. Even when he's played he hasn't shown much; 13 games last year, 66/777/3. He's never had a 2-TD game in his career.

Why would you think Hurns has to "leapfrog" Robinson? He had 9 targets to Robinson's 3 in week 1. And Sanders can't even practice with the team until week 5, there's no way he'll come back into a starting role (except at KR).

Football is about opportunity. Keenan Allen last year wouldn't have had the season he had if there weren't a bunch of injuries ahead of him, but given the opportunity, he showed he can play and now has solidified himself as a top receiver. Given the opportunity because of injuries and suspensions, Hurns led the NFL in receiving in the pre-season, and then had one of the top-10 rookie WR debut games of all time. You can sit on the sidelines and wait for Robinson and Sanders; I'm sure you'll be able to get them on the waiver wire for a long while.

We get it: you have a hard-on for Hurns.

You're kind of missing the point of my previous post. Speculating about an *ENTIRE* season after Week 1 is a dicey proposition. I'm suggesting that once all - or most - of the Jax WR corps are healthy, practicing together and playing Sundays then we'll know what we have with them. We'll know even more once Bortles takes over. There are just too many variables at this point. Coaches want players to produce and that gives Hurns a leg up right now. But it's a long season and it's premature to think Hurns is somehow "better". Robinson will be game ready soon. Short will return even if it doesn't matter long-term to the Jags.

 

[CalBear]

And three completions for 101 yards and two TDs in the first quarter is a little encouraging. Marcedes Lewis caught 6 passes, which is something he's now done five times in nine years in the league; I'm willing to assume that he won't do that more than once again this season. Hurns and Lee are extremely likely to be the top two targets in Jacksonville; it's too early to say who will be #1, but it could easily be Hurns.

You mean this week, right? Pretty weak case to suggest he's leapfrogged Robinson, Short, or even Sanders long-term. We know that he had a great week but that's it. I'd like to see how things stack up once the four likely candidates are healthy and in shape before deciding the final depth chart.

Shorts has never played a full season and he's hurt again with no clear timeline for his return. Even when he's played he hasn't shown much; 13 games last year, 66/777/3. He's never had a 2-TD game in his career.

Why would you think Hurns has to "leapfrog" Robinson? He had 9 targets to Robinson's 3 in week 1. And Sanders can't even practice with the team until week 5, there's no way he'll come back into a starting role (except at KR).

Football is about opportunity. Keenan Allen last year wouldn't have had the season he had if there weren't a bunch of injuries ahead of him, but given the opportunity, he showed he can play and now has solidified himself as a top receiver. Given the opportunity because of injuries and suspensions, Hurns led the NFL in receiving in the pre-season, and then had one of the top-10 rookie WR debut games of all time. You can sit on the sidelines and wait for Robinson and Sanders; I'm sure you'll be able to get them on the waiver wire for a long while.

We get it: you have a hard-on for Hurns.

You're kind of missing the point of my previous post. Speculating about an *ENTIRE* season after Week 1 is a dicey proposition. I'm suggesting that once all - or most - of the Jax WR corps are healthy, practicing together and playing Sundays then we'll know what we have with them. We'll know even more once Bortles takes over. There are just too many variables at this point. Coaches want players to produce and that gives Hurns a leg up right now. But it's a long season and it's premature to think Hurns is somehow "better". Robinson will be game ready soon. Short will return even if it doesn't matter long-term to the Jags.

I don't know what kind of league you play in, but in my league, after the week 1 games you have to put in an auction bid based on your speculation about what the players are going to do for the entire season. We don't get to wait until all the situations work themselves out and then decide how much each player is worth. In my estimation, Hurns is very likely to be among the top 2 receivers in Jacksonville this season, and could be #1, and for a waiver wire pickup that's pretty good. If you don't agree, spend your pick elsewhere.

I don't "have a hard-on for Harns" and that kind of comment is really uncalled for.

 

[CalBear]

Every year, week 1 waivers has a hot WR that came out of nowhere, that everyone overbids on, and then does squat rest of the season. In my money league full of sharks nobody claimed him.

Remember these guys after week 1?

2013: Leonard Hankerson

2012: Kevin Ogletree (honorable mention to Stephen Hill)

I'm in a small roster league (no flex) so I'm not dropping my backup WRs like Boldin or Floyd (ARI). I'd rather go get Floyd on SD who is also on waivers.

JAX is a putrid offense so the opportunities just aren't there on a weekly basis, and you won't see defenses completely ignore Hurns again, just look at the 2nd half of week 1.

Replace this with Anquan Boldin in his rookie year after week 1. Same thing.

Anquan Boldin and Allen Hurns are nowhere comparable.

Boldin had 118/1790/21 playing three years for Florida State. Hurns had 121/1891/14 playing three years for Miami. They both went undrafted. They're not really similar physically but their pedigree is quite similar.

 

[cstu]

Every year, week 1 waivers has a hot WR that came out of nowhere, that everyone overbids on, and then does squat rest of the season. In my money league full of sharks nobody claimed him.

Remember these guys after week 1?

2013: Leonard Hankerson

2012: Kevin Ogletree (honorable mention to Stephen Hill)

I'm in a small roster league (no flex) so I'm not dropping my backup WRs like Boldin or Floyd (ARI). I'd rather go get Floyd on SD who is also on waivers.

JAX is a putrid offense so the opportunities just aren't there on a weekly basis, and you won't see defenses completely ignore Hurns again, just look at the 2nd half of week 1.

Replace this with Anquan Boldin in his rookie year after week 1. Same thing.

Anquan Boldin and Allen Hurns are nowhere comparable.

Boldin had 118/1790/21 playing three years for Florida State. Hurns had 121/1891/14 playing three years for Miami. They both went undrafted. They're not really similar physically but their pedigree is quite similar.

Boldin was a 2nd round pick.

 

[Andrew74]

Every year, week 1 waivers has a hot WR that came out of nowhere, that everyone overbids on, and then does squat rest of the season. In my money league full of sharks nobody claimed him.

Remember these guys after week 1?

2013: Leonard Hankerson

2012: Kevin Ogletree (honorable mention to Stephen Hill)

I'm in a small roster league (no flex) so I'm not dropping my backup WRs like Boldin or Floyd (ARI). I'd rather go get Floyd on SD who is also on waivers.

JAX is a putrid offense so the opportunities just aren't there on a weekly basis, and you won't see defenses completely ignore Hurns again, just look at the 2nd half of week 1.

Replace this with Anquan Boldin in his rookie year after week 1. Same thing.

Anquan Boldin and Allen Hurns are nowhere comparable.

Boldin had 118/1790/21 playing three years for Florida State. Hurns had 121/1891/14 playing three years for Miami. They both went undrafted. They're not really similar physically but their pedigree is quite similar.

Boldin was a 2nd round pick.