Who is the best Green Bay Packers QB ever? (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Define "best" however you see fit.

Don't sleep on Arnie Herber's 81-106 TD-INT ratio as Green Bay's QB from 1930-1940.

 

[mr roboto]

Rodgers is a better QB than Favre. But Favre has the best career so far. The 'best' in historical discussions has to include total accomplishments.

 

[Raider Nation]

Rodgers is a better QB than Favre. But Favre has the best career so far. The 'best' in historical discussions has to include total accomplishments.

Which is why I voted for Starr.

 

[Sabertooth]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

 

[Raider Nation]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

 

[Reepicheep]

It has to be Favre for at least another year or two.

 

[Sabertooth]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

 

[sho nuff]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Player of all time?Montana > FavreBrady > FavreMarino > FavreAnd thats just the QBs.Rodgers looks to be > Favre if he can keep this upFavre was great...but never the best player of all time...and never the best QB of all time. The mistakes/INTs just keep him from being there.

 

[butcher boy]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Jerry Rice

 

[AmosMoses]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Is he even in the top 5 QBs of all time?

 

[KingPrawn]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

Possibly not even the best Packer of all-time. If we are talking most exciting, as in what will he do next, possibly. Best though? No.I voted Starr. Those championships and leadership mean something. And a class-act too.

 

[Sabertooth]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Is he even in the top 5 QBs of all time?

Yeah, look at the record books. He's the guy at the top.

 

[butcher boy]

No other NFL player could sport a pair of Wranglers like Favre. That has to count for something.

 

[Pipes]

Voted Favre (3 MVP's 1 SB victory) but ask me again in 5 years and my vote will hopefully be for Rodgers.

 

[jon_mx]

Wouldn't a thread on all the great Detroit Lions QB's be more interesting? Harrington, Orlovsky, Peete, Mitchell, Lane. The list goes on and on...

 

[Sabertooth]

Voted Favre (3 MVP's 1 SB victory) but ask me again in 5 years and my vote will hopefully be for Rodgers.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Favre/Starr is a pretty close call. Rodgers probably won't match Favre for longevity or Starr for rings, but he'll be in the discussion soon.

On the surface, Favre over Starr is a no-brainer. A lot of Starr's production is underrated because of the difficult strength of schedule he faced. The NFL was not evenly divided in the '60s: Green Bay's Western Division was significantly better than the Eastern. As a result, Starr constantly was playing against the toughest defenses and toughest teams. Throw in the post-season success -- Starr blows Favre away there without argument -- and the gap is significantly reduced.

Starr's always going to be difficult to evaluate just like a Staubach or an Aikman. Favre certainly seemed to do more with less. Really different styles of quarterbacks. Starr's lack of success pre-Lombardi hurts him, so I'd probably put Favre ahead. But it's close. Rodgers is definitely on the prowl, as he's blowing out Starr's 1966 and Favre's 1995.

Oh, and I assume RN was shticking it up, but Herber was a fantastic player. Him and Isbell had monster years in the '40s and '40s. But whereas a lot of Isbell's success was due to Hutson, Herber dominated in the pre-Hutson era. Herber and Benny Friedman were the first great quarterbacks after the big rules changes.

 

[Jersey35]

It's a tough choice between Favre and Starr right now.

Favre has a number of all-time records - many of which are mostly a result of compiling - and an exceptional resume. Starr has none of the all-time records but a better record of success, particularly in the postseason. I voted Starr, but have no problem with those who vote Favre right now.

It may not be long before Rodgers makes the argument far easier - possibly as soon as 2012.

 

[bonesman]

Define "best" however you see fit.

Best to me in this scenario is who would you put under center to win you one game. My pick is Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Hybrid]

I think Rodgers is actually the "best" QB, but Favre and Starr have better resumes at the moment. When all is said and done I think Rodgers will be looked as better than both and right up there with Montana, Marino, Brady, and Manning; it could come after this year if he wins the Super Bowl and MVP.

 

[Warhogs]

AS a long time Packer fan I went with Rodgers. I had to toss around Favre or Rodgers but I saw Favre lose a lot of key playoff games for the Packers as well as win many. Rodgers hasn't shown that he will single handedly lose as many games as Favre did. Things may change but I'll give the edge to Rodgers unless he starts throwing a lot of key picks in playoff games.

 

[jasvic]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Is he even in the top 5 QBs of all time?

Yeah, look at the record books. He's the guy at the top.

So either Vinny Testaverde and Kerry Collins are in the top 10 QBs of all time OR stats don't always tell the whole story.

 

[Keith R]

Voted Starr. Will possibly consider Rodgers in 2 more years at this pace and even if his pace trails off, he could easily have a strong argument at the end of his career, but he's not there yet. Not impressed enough with Favre's postseason accomplishments to put him over Starr.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Had to vote Dickey. As a kid growing up in Wisconsin in the 1980s, the days of Dickey to Lofton, Jefferson, Caufman, etc. were pretty special. They're why I'm a Packer fan.

Love me some Rodgers though.

 

[zed2283]

Anthony Dilweg

 

[KingPrawn]

Disappointed T.J. Rubley isn't on this list.

 

[Reepicheep]

Voted Favre (3 MVP's 1 SB victory) but ask me again in 5 years and my vote will hopefully be for Rodgers.

 

[camperguy01]

With 5 NFL championships my vote goes for Starr. If Rodgers stays healthy he easily passes Favre in a couple of years or so. Favre was great but heavily over-hyped up by the media and blew more big games than he won.

 

[Fensalk]

Voted Starr.

 

[sspunisher]

I've been saying this since last year but I think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL. Since that's not really a bold statement anymore I'm going to one up it and say I think he's going to be the greatest QB of all time.

He's hit elite status at an extremely young age and is on a team that continually gives him weapons. I got the Rodgers to Jennings connection in one of my dynasties and I have Randall Cobb in every single league that I'm in. When Cobb puts it together, Rodgers to Cobb is going to be amazing for the next decade or so.

 

[Sabertooth]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Is he even in the top 5 QBs of all time?

Yeah, look at the record books. He's the guy at the top.

So either Vinny Testaverde and Kerry Collins are in the top 10 QBs of all time OR stats don't always tell the whole story.

Pop in some game tape then. People act like Favre was just some kind of mediocre quarterback because he bounced around at the end of his career. But this is the only player in NFL history to win three consecutive MVP trophies. He an Manning are the only two player to even win that many let alone three in a row. He did so in the era where corners were given a lot more leeway to bump receivers. He won a Super Bowl. He was basically unbeatable at home for an entire decade. He could not be beaten when the cold weather rolled in. And all this without the benefit of a stud receiver. He had some good ones from time to time, like Antonio Freeman, Sterling Sharpe was awesome for a short window before Favre really got his sea legs.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Is he even in the top 5 QBs of all time?

Yeah, look at the record books. He's the guy at the top.

So is Emmitt Smith. Is he the best RB of all-time?

 

[Da Guru]

The problem is that Farves antics the last 5 years of his career have totally tarnished people views. Farve had a harder fall that almost any player I can remember, going from one of the most popular NFL player to one of the most despised in a very short time frame.

That being said I think that Rodgers is playing at a higher level than any QB I have seen, plus he runs better than Favre and does not make the boneheaded INTs like Favre.

So I voted Starr...

 

[jasvic]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Is he even in the top 5 QBs of all time?

Yeah, look at the record books. He's the guy at the top.

So either Vinny Testaverde and Kerry Collins are in the top 10 QBs of all time OR stats don't always tell the whole story.

Pop in some game tape then. People act like Favre was just some kind of mediocre quarterback because he bounced around at the end of his career. But this is the only player in NFL history to win three consecutive MVP trophies. He an Manning are the only two player to even win that many let alone three in a row. He did so in the era where corners were given a lot more leeway to bump receivers. He won a Super Bowl. He was basically unbeatable at home for an entire decade. He could not be beaten when the cold weather rolled in. And all this without the benefit of a stud receiver. He had some good ones from time to time, like Antonio Freeman, Sterling Sharpe was awesome for a short window before Favre really got his sea legs.

Don't disagree, and I don't think anyone here is saying Favre was a bum or average QB, but also no one is saying he's the best QB ever. He was great, just not the greatest. Also, let's remove the whole "he won" argument. Team game and all.

 

[Sabertooth]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Is he even in the top 5 QBs of all time?

Yeah, look at the record books. He's the guy at the top.

So is Emmitt Smith. Is he the best RB of all-time?

By some measurements, yes. By others, maybe not.

 

[Sabertooth]

The problem is that Farves antics the last 5 years of his career have totally tarnished people views. Farve had a harder fall that almost any player I can remember, going from one of the most popular NFL player to one of the most despised in a very short time frame.That being said I think that Rodgers is playing at a higher level than any QB I have seen, plus he runs better than Favre and does not make the boneheaded INTs like Favre.So I voted Starr...

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Sabertooth]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Is he even in the top 5 QBs of all time?

Yeah, look at the record books. He's the guy at the top.

So either Vinny Testaverde and Kerry Collins are in the top 10 QBs of all time OR stats don't always tell the whole story.

Pop in some game tape then. People act like Favre was just some kind of mediocre quarterback because he bounced around at the end of his career. But this is the only player in NFL history to win three consecutive MVP trophies. He an Manning are the only two player to even win that many let alone three in a row. He did so in the era where corners were given a lot more leeway to bump receivers. He won a Super Bowl. He was basically unbeatable at home for an entire decade. He could not be beaten when the cold weather rolled in. And all this without the benefit of a stud receiver. He had some good ones from time to time, like Antonio Freeman, Sterling Sharpe was awesome for a short window before Favre really got his sea legs.

Don't disagree, and I don't think anyone here is saying Favre was a bum or average QB, but also no one is saying he's the best QB ever. He was great, just not the greatest. Also, let's remove the whole "he won" argument. Team game and all.

What did you vote then in this poll?

 

[smackdaddies]

There was no better pure passer in a GB uniform than Lynn Dickey. Not saying he was the best qb mind you, but just as a pure passer

 

[KingPrawn]

Favre. He's also the best NFL player of all time.

He's the best player at the premium position, hence he's the best. Who is better?

Is he even in the top 5 QBs of all time?

Yeah, look at the record books. He's the guy at the top.

So either Vinny Testaverde and Kerry Collins are in the top 10 QBs of all time OR stats don't always tell the whole story.

Pop in some game tape then. People act like Favre was just some kind of mediocre quarterback because he bounced around at the end of his career. But this is the only player in NFL history to win three consecutive MVP trophies. He an Manning are the only two player to even win that many let alone three in a row. He did so in the era where corners were given a lot more leeway to bump receivers. He won a Super Bowl. He was basically unbeatable at home for an entire decade. He could not be beaten when the cold weather rolled in. And all this without the benefit of a stud receiver. He had some good ones from time to time, like Antonio Freeman, Sterling Sharpe was awesome for a short window before Favre really got his sea legs.

Favre, as great as he was, cannot hold a candle to Starr. Especially if the criteria you cited above is being used.Starr won the NFL MVP in 1966. Was Super Bowl MVP twice. Had 5 NFL titles and 2 Super Bowl wins. Playoff record was 9-1. Has the second highest passer rating behind Rodgers. He also did this in an era when the pass interference rules were nowhere near what they were during Favre's time.

Green Bay Packers All-time Offense

Quarterback: Bart Starr

196 games as a Packer

16 Seasons:

1956-1971, Green Bay Packers

Packers Head Coache-1975-1983

Four-time Pro Bowler, Four-time All-Pro

1966 League MVP

Two-time Super Bowl MVP

Four-time League passing percentage leader

1960s All-Decade Team

Five NFL Championship rings

One of only five Packer players with their numbers retired

Pro Football Hall of Fame Member

Out of Montgomery, Ala., via the University of Alabama, Bart Starr came to the Packers as an unheralded 17th-round draft pick in 1956. Held back by injuries and some questionable coaching decisions at Alabama, Starr was also considered too small at only 6' 1" and 197 pounds.

Few NFL executives knew of the competitive fire that burned inside of the ultra-quiet Starr or of his dedication and desire to be a great NFL quarterback. Playing on some awful Packer teams his first few years and bouncing in and out of the lineup, Starr had little chance to show off the skills he knew he had.

When Vince Lombardi came to Green Bay in 1959, that all changed. Starr started out as third-string that season, but by the middle of the year he was starting and helped lead the Packers to their first winning season in 12 years. The following year, Starr led the Packers to the playoffs for the first time in 16 years, losing the first and only playoff game of his career. In 1961, Starr led the Packers to the NFL championship, the first of five.

Vince Lombardi was enamored with Starr's dedication to study film and his ability to pinpoint how to attack opposing defenses. Lombardi had complete confidance in Starr. So much so, that he let Starr call ALL of the plays on the field.

Bart Starr was arguably the finest field general the league had ever seen. While many feel that the Green Bay Packer dynasty made Starr, his teammates will tell you it was the other way around. So many of his Packer teammates have said that without Starr, the talented Packers would not have won five championships. He was their leader, and with Starr at the helm, the Packers felt they could score every time they had the ball.

Deadly quiet and reserved off the field, Starr was known to his teammates as a fierce competitor who would do anything to win a game.

From 1960-1967, Starr led the Packers to a 62-24-4 record, six divisional titles and five NFL championships, including the first two Super Bowls. Starr was named Super Bowl MVP in both of those games, as well as NFL MVP in 1966.

Bart Starr is the Packers' greatest all-time quarterback because he was at his best when it counted the most—the playoffs. Starr's career playoff record is 9-1. His postseason passer rating of 104.8 (in an era when 80 was considered very good) remains No. 1 all time—better than Montana, Unitas, Favre, Bradshaw, Aikman, and a slew of other legendary modern QBs.

And remember, Starr played in an era dominated by defense when current pass interference rules did not exist. Starr retired as the NFL's most accurate passer of all-time.

As Cold Hard Football Facts points out in its excellent article, http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2103_The_definitive_list:_Top_10_NFL_quarterbacks.html, Starr 's greatness can be measured in his career Yards Per Attempt (YPA) numbers. "Starr averaged a remarkable 7.85 YPA over the course of his entire career, the eighth-best mark in history, and better than that of a slate of quarterbacks who are generally regarded as the best passers in history, including Dan Marino (7.37), Joe Montana (7.52), Roger Staubach (7.67), Dan Fouts (7.68), Sonny Jurgensen (7.56), Fran Tarkenton (7.27), Y.A. Tittle (7.52), Terry Bradshaw (7.17), and Joe Namath (7.35)."

They further go on to say, "Six times in the 1960s, Starr surpassed 8.2 YPA for a season. To put that into context, Peyton Manning has surpassed 8.2 YPA just twice in his career. When it comes to a combination of leadership, victories, big-game performances, and statistical supremacy nobody—NOBODY—put together a more total package than Bart Starr, the greatest quarterback in NFL history."

Bart Starr was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1977.

Honorable Mention: Brett Favre

The greatest measure of a quarterback is how many championships you lead your team to. That's why Brett Favre is still playing the game; he wants more than just one ring. What affects a quarterback's chances of winning championships most is how he performs in the playoffs. Bart Starr's playoff passer rating is 20 points higher than Bret Favre's. Bart Starr's playoff record is 9-1, Brett Favre's is 12-10. Bart Starr threw three interceptions in 10 playoff games, Brett Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games.

I'm not looking to denigrate Favre in any way, but these were the criteria I used to make my choice. While Brett Favre might be the most dynamic and entertaining quarterback to have played the game of football, the true measure of greatness in sports is winning. That's why Bart Starr is my greatest Packer quarterback of all-time.

 

[KingPrawn]

Top 10 NFL Quarterbacks

1. BART STARR (Green Bay, 1956-71)

Best season (1966): 156 for 251 (62.2%), 2,257 yards, 9.0 YPA, 14 TD, 3 INT, 105.0 passer rating

Career: 1,808 for 3,149 (57.4%), 24,718 yards, 7.8 YPA, 152 TD, 138 INT, 80.5 passer rating

Championships: 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967

Overview: That's right. Bart Starr. The greatest quarterback in the history of the game.

Sit down and take notes:

History has done a grave disservice to the legacy of Starr, the 17th-round draft pick out of pre-Bear Bryant Alabama who turned into the most clutch and most cruelly efficient passing assassin of his or any other generation.

History remembers Starr's legendary coach, and the bevy of Hall of Fame talent that surrounded him. It forgets that Starr was Lombardi's second in command, a tremendous big-game performer, and that the Packers of the 1960s would have been just another team without the prolific Starr as their beloved on-field leader. Instead, they won five NFL championships, with Starr at the helm of every single one of those title teams, while he crafted an NFL-record 9-1 postseason mark. The rings say it all: Starr is the only quarterback in history who has one for every finger on his throwing hand.

And even if you listen to teammates today, they make it pretty clear that they would have fallen on a grenade for Starr. Leadership is an elemental piece of quarterbacking – probably more important than gaudy passing stats. And that love his teammates had for their field general is an incredible sign of his leadership.

But forget, for a moment, the team accomplishments and the "intangibles" of leadership.

If you want to talk passing and statistics, we'll put Starr up against anybody. Anybody.

He led the NFL in passer rating five times. Johnny Unitas led the league in passer rating just twice. Ditto Joe Montana. Only Steve Young surpassed Starr's mark (six).

And, lest we forget, Starr was the best postseason passer in NFL history, as evidenced by his record 104.8 playoff passer rating and 1.41 percent interception rate, also a postseason record (CHFF readers are well aware of the importance of not throwing picks in the playoffs). Starr played in an era when 80 was a decent passer rating. Yet he still performed more efficiently in the playoffs than folks such as Montana, Brady, Manning, Marino, Young and ... well, anybody, ever.

There's a cause and effect here, folks: NFL's greatest dynasty, only winners of three-straight title games, and a record 9-1 postseason mark. And there, underlying it all, is Starr with his postseason passing records. The two are intricately intertwined.

History also remembers Starr's Packers as a great running team, and that's certainly true of their earlier years. But the truth is that they typically passed the ball more effectively than they ran it, especially during their run of three straight, when they were a below-average running team.

In their 1965 championship season, the Packers were 11th in the 14-team league with an average of 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. They were second in the league, with an average of 8.2 yards per passing attempt.

In their 1966 championship season, the Packers were 14th in the 15-team league, with an average of 3.5 yards per rushing attempt. They were first in the league, with an average of 8.9 yards per passing attempt.

In their 1967 championship season, the Packers were 4th in the 16-team league, with an average of 4.0 yards per rushing attempt. They were first in the league, with an average of 8.3 yards per passing attempt (Starr himself that season averaged 8.7 YPA).

Starr averaged a remarkable 7.85 YPA over the course of his entire career, the 8th-best mark in history, and better than that of a slate of quarterbacks who are generally regarded as the best passers in history, including Dan Marino (7.37), Joe Montana (7.52), Roger Staubach (7.67), Dan Fouts (7.68), Sonny Jurgensen (7.56), Fran Tarkenton (7.27), Y.A. Tittle (7.52), Terry Bradshaw (7.17) and Joe Namath (7.35).

Six times in the 1960s, Starr surpassed 8.2 YPA for a season. To put that into context, Peyton Manning has surpassed 8.2 YPA just twice in his brilliant 10-year career.

And, if you want drama, don't forget that Starr scored the winning TD in the Ice Bowl, probably the most famous game in NFL history. Sure, Montana led his team 92 yards for the game-winning score in Super Bowl XXIII. But he did it on a 68-degree night in Miami. Turn down the thermostat by 86 degrees (it was 18-below in the fourth quarter of the Ice Bowl) and you begin to approximate the conditions under which the greatest quarterback in NFL history operated during his greatest moment in the sport's greatest game.

And Starr was brilliant on that drive, in the decisive moments of the sport's most famous game: he completed 5 of 5 passes in ball-busting cold, and then called a run play for the winning score. But instead of handing it off, he decided in his mind, without telling his teammates, that he was going to punch it in himself. It was only fitting: the game's greatest signal-caller taking matters into his own hands in the sport's signature moment.

To cap his career achievements, Starr earned MVP honors in the first two Super Bowls after shredding the best the AFL could throw his way for 452 yards on 47 passing attempts (9.6 YPA). Among those victims were the 1967 Raiders, perhaps the AFL's greatest single team. He posted a combined 106.0 passer rating in those two games. If you think it was no small feat to beat up on "upstart" AFL teams, just look at how NFL quarterbacks fared in Super Bowls III and IV. (Here's a hint: they were embarrassed.)

When it comes to a combination of leadership, victories, big-game performances and statistical supremacy nobody – NOBODY – put together a more total package than Bart Starr, the greatest quarterback in NFL history.

 

[BaBastage]

Many of Favre's records are the result of longevity. Rodgers may enter the discussion, but not yet. Bart Starr for the win.

And the best football player of all time is Jerry Rice. The gap between Jerry and #2 is greater than the three guys above and their runner-ups.

 

[Sabertooth]

Many of Favre's records are the result of longevity. Rodgers may enter the discussion, but not yet. Bart Starr for the win.And the best football player of all time is Jerry Rice. The gap between Jerry and #2 is greater than the three guys above and their runner-ups.

As an aggregate, I still think its Favre. But I was not able to watch Starr so I realize my own bias. Favre game on the scene the year I went to college in Wisconsin. I was at both his first game and his first start a week later. Just got lucky there and I was on his bandwagon right up through that teary eyed press conference. He lost me for a while when he went to the Jets and later the Vikes but once his ability to beat the Green and Gold was gone, I softened my stance on him. I guess it comes down to your definition of "Great." Great in terms of championships goes to Starr. Great in terms of presence in the NFL record books goes to Favre. Great in terms of single season prowess...three way tossup. Fun conversation. Packers fans are blessed to have three guys of this caliber to debate.

 

[jasvic]

What did you vote then in this poll?

Starr. If I'm voting for 2nd I'd be tempted to say Rodgers, but that's assuming he keeps doing what he's doing the next several years. If that's not a fair assumption to make right now, then this poll is being put up 10 years too early.

 

[KingPrawn]

Many of Favre's records are the result of longevity. Rodgers may enter the discussion, but not yet. Bart Starr for the win.And the best football player of all time is Jerry Rice. The gap between Jerry and #2 is greater than the three guys above and their runner-ups.

As an aggregate, I still think its Favre. But I was not able to watch Starr so I realize my own bias. Favre game on the scene the year I went to college in Wisconsin. I was at both his first game and his first start a week later. Just got lucky there and I was on his bandwagon right up through that teary eyed press conference. He lost me for a while when he went to the Jets and later the Vikes but once his ability to beat the Green and Gold was gone, I softened my stance on him. I guess it comes down to your definition of "Great." Great in terms of championships goes to Starr. Great in terms of presence in the NFL record books goes to Favre. Great in terms of single season prowess...three way tossup. Fun conversation. Packers fans are blessed to have three guys of this caliber to debate.

Favre may have the greatest presence in the NFL record books but as stated above some of it has to do with longevity, some of it has to do with the changing nature of the game, etc. That's what makes this discussion interesting.And as Packer fans we are very blessed to have great QB play. And in addition to the Big 3 of Starr, Favre, and Rodgers, we also had Lynn Dickey who put up some tremendous numbers with Lofton, J.J. and Coffmann.And not to side-track this thread but is there another franchise who's had better QBs? Maybe San Francisco.

 

[FUBAR]

Many of Favre's records are the result of longevity. Rodgers may enter the discussion, but not yet. Bart Starr for the win.

And the best football player of all time is Jerry Rice. The gap between Jerry and #2 is greater than the three guys above and their runner-ups.

This topic came up the other day. Rice was our consensus #1 pretty easily but #2 was a decent discussion between Favre, Peyton Manning, Reggie White and Ray Lewis. IMO, White was the best player who was a Packer, but it's hard to call him the best Packer.

 

[Sabertooth]

Many of Favre's records are the result of longevity. Rodgers may enter the discussion, but not yet. Bart Starr for the win.

And the best football player of all time is Jerry Rice. The gap between Jerry and #2 is greater than the three guys above and their runner-ups.

This topic came up the other day. Rice was our consensus #1 pretty easily but #2 was a decent discussion between Favre, Peyton Manning, Reggie White and Ray Lewis. IMO, White was the best player who was a Packer, but it's hard to call him the best Packer.

You list all player that have played in the past 20 years. Is Peyton Manning really better than Don Hutson, Jim Brown or Johnny Unitas? How about better than Lawrence Taylor or Barry Sanders? That's the thing about these discussions, they can never really be answered in a definitive way.

 

[Underachievers]

Wow, Rodgers leading the voting right now? I never knew anyone to be the best ever after 3 seasons. Must be numerous bandwagon jumpers voting here.

Anyone ever wonder how a players fantasy numbers (good or bad) relate to how a person views that player in a historical perspective?

 

[rzrback77]

I voted for Bart Starr, primarily resulting from the combination of championships, leadership, and his play at the QB position. I also believe that Brett Favre is one of the all-time great QBs, but his gun-slinging also led to lots of losses and my greatest ever QB is more influenced by wins than yards and TDs.

In today's game, it is truly amazing to watch Aaron Rodgers play the game. In a year where Drew Brees is the undisputed leader for the Saints and is in the hunt for home field seeding and is without a doubt going to padd Marino for the all time NFL record for passing yards in a season, Rodgers has clearly outplayed him. Rodgers could eventually become the best Packer QB, but there would be no shame in placing second in that contest.

 

[Raider Nation]

Wow, Rodgers leading the voting right now? I never knew anyone to be the best ever after 3 seasons. Must be numerous bandwagon jumpers voting here.

I don't think it's a bandwagon thing, and I don't think a vote for him this early on is unreasonable.Rodgers is playing the QB position right now better than anyone ever has. His numbers are plain stupid.

 

[smackdaddies]

Star. If nothing else, compared to Favre, he called all his own plays. Favre made up more plays, but that was mostly because he forgot things. He would give Bradshaw a run for king of stupid. Rodgers may become the best of all time, but call me in 7 years