Exactly. Mainly because the guys on my bench don't seem to be workhorse RB's, whereas the backups to 3-down backs would have immediate full time value. Otherwise, I'd be playing a guessing game with FAAB to get them the week after they blow up. I haven't done it yet, was just a thought.So you're going to drop (or trade) proven players you drafted/bought to pick-up guys who may have startable value if someone else gets hurt or benched? That's one way to go I guess
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Who will be the next hot RB pickup? (1 Viewer)
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skinsrule05
Footballguy
I think you are confused on the strategy here. How many times have you heard that someone's backup QB won the league for them? I like Phenom's point. Unless I am taking someone like Luck or Stafford to back up my QB1 what is the point of holding a backup. I could easily pick one up the week of my QBs bye.So you're going to drop (or trade) proven players you drafted/bought to pick-up guys who may have startable value if someone else gets hurt or benched? That's one way to go I guess
Now how many times have you heard someone won their league because they had the hot RB or WR for that year.
To me I would much rather dump a backup QB like Palmer to have a shot at one of those league winners.
those guys are way too good to drop. and fjax is in the same boat as the handcuff backups. he is one injury away from a large workload. in the meantime he can be plugged in and put up solid points if needed. plus, you know he will produce well if spiller goes down. you dont know that with these other backups.
If your backup QB is Palmer, well, yeah.I think you are confused on the strategy here. How many times have you heard that someone's backup QB won the league for them? I like Phenom's point. Unless I am taking someone like Luck or Stafford to back up my QB1 what is the point of holding a backup. I could easily pick one up the week of my QBs bye.So you're going to drop (or trade) proven players you drafted/bought to pick-up guys who may have startable value if someone else gets hurt or benched? That's one way to go I guess
Now how many times have you heard someone won their league because they had the hot RB or WR for that year.
To me I would much rather dump a backup QB like Palmer to have a shot at one of those league winners.
What if your primary QB is Brady and your backup is somebody like Rivers or Wilson? Or if your primary QB is the "hasn't played 16 games since 2009" Cutler?
Backup QB depends on your specific players IMO.
RealReactions
Footballguy
I think Blue might be the best pickup as of now. Foster didn't practice yesterday and this is from today.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5469/arian-foster
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5469/arian-foster
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
I wonder why he wasn't picked up this week, thought for sure Minnesota, Miami or Baltimore (I honestly thought Jim cut him as a favor to John) would have signed him by now.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
This was posted on twitter 5 hours ago..
There is mutual interest with lamichael james and the phins. Phins want him but james will take weekend to weigh options.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I dont think CJ Anderson will overtake Ball, nor do I think its likely that continues to have a YPC nearly 3 yards higher than Ball, but if Anderson keeps being this productive DEN cant ignore it. I never like to use the "take out the big play" argument but 23yds of Ball's 60yds came on a 3rd&24 draw play. If Ball's statline was 11 for 37 I think Anderson would be getting a lot more noise this week, and I dont expect Ball to do much this week vs SEA.
I wish I had room to add Blue but cant find the space on my rosters. Id rather have Anderson at this point.
I wish I had room to add Blue but cant find the space on my rosters. Id rather have Anderson at this point.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Yeah Im holding Crowell as of now and going to see how the CLE backfield unfolds over the next month. Once he is back Im not expecting Tate to stay healthy for long, and while the team at this point seems to prefer West over Crowell, Crowell has been more productive thus far.
As a Foster owner in two leagues, I think Blue is a must-add handcuff. Their offense features the run too much (and looks too good) to risk that production.
If I didn't have foster... Hmmm. McKinnon, Blue, Turbin seems like how it should shake out to me in priority order. But I'm also fortunate enough to have starters on my bench so there won't be any actual taking of flyers here.
edit: IF Lamichael James signs with the Dolphins, I'd move him up to #3 ahead of Turbin. The main thing I like about all of these options is that they're in excellent running offenses. McKinnon is more and more likely with every passing week to become the starter, whether or not Asiata gets injured. Blue is an injury away, but that injury is almost guaranteed. James already has the injury he needs to step in a play, but I don't think he'll ever be an every down back unless Miller gets a serious injury as well, and Turbin is an injury away, but if (when) Christine Michael comes back soon, Turbin's stock may drop.
If I didn't have foster... Hmmm. McKinnon, Blue, Turbin seems like how it should shake out to me in priority order. But I'm also fortunate enough to have starters on my bench so there won't be any actual taking of flyers here.
edit: IF Lamichael James signs with the Dolphins, I'd move him up to #3 ahead of Turbin. The main thing I like about all of these options is that they're in excellent running offenses. McKinnon is more and more likely with every passing week to become the starter, whether or not Asiata gets injured. Blue is an injury away, but that injury is almost guaranteed. James already has the injury he needs to step in a play, but I don't think he'll ever be an every down back unless Miller gets a serious injury as well, and Turbin is an injury away, but if (when) Christine Michael comes back soon, Turbin's stock may drop.
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whiskey7
Footballguy
I think you are confused on what was said in the post I replied to. That guy is talking about dropping (or trading away) players like FJackson, Vereen, and Reggie Wayne to pickup RBs (ie McKinnon, Blue, Anderson, etc) that are currently behind other RBs. I don't agree with that at all.I think you are confused on the strategy here. How many times have you heard that someone's backup QB won the league for them? I like Phenom's point. Unless I am taking someone like Luck or Stafford to back up my QB1 what is the point of holding a backup. I could easily pick one up the week of my QBs bye.So you're going to drop (or trade) proven players you drafted/bought to pick-up guys who may have startable value if someone else gets hurt or benched? That's one way to go I guess
Now how many times have you heard someone won their league because they had the hot RB or WR for that year.
To me I would much rather dump a backup QB like Palmer to have a shot at one of those league winners.
If we're talking about dropping (or not carrying) a backup QB, TE, DST, or K in order to load-up on as many players with potential at the RB or WR positions, I am 100% onboard with that. That's what you're suggesting, though, and not what munygon2 was suggesting (which is what I replied to).
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
A lot of people are going to be hoping on Alfred Blue with good reason but it's important to remember that it's unlikely that he'd be a 3 down back in the vent that Foster goes down/doesn't play. He'd no doubt be valuable, primarily because I do believe he'd monopolize goal line work but in between the 20s is a different story. Grimes is the superior pass protector and pass catcher of the two (pass pro and hands were two of Blue's biggest question marks coming into the draft). We saw Blue out touch Grimes by a fair margin (11 to 3) last week but that was in garbage time vs. OAK as HOU ran on what looked like ~10 consecutive plays to close out the game.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Because two weeks ago we all thought it was Ronnie Hillman who, as far as we know, only lost the job because he got sick.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
satch
Footballguy
I like Turbin as a good pickup right now, especially in keeper leagues. Lynch appears to be good to go for this week, but given the history and current status of his back issues it's certainly plausible that he reaggravates it during the game, or over the next few games, which could lead to Lynch taking some time off at some point this season or at least taking on a lesser workload. He's already supposedly contemplated retiring so I would imagine the concern of long-term back damage would be difficult for him to ignore at this point.
When you combine Lynch's back issues with Seattle's "next man up" philosophy, a scenario where Lynch is slowly phased out over the course of the season as Turbin is phased in is plausible as Seattle looks beyond this season alone. Seattle has already proven a willingness to let Lynch walk, so after what happened this year I'd say it's likely that Lynch doesn't play for Seattle next year. Next year Turbin plays the Fred Jackson role to Christine Michael's Spiller. Carroll has no choice but to prepare Turbin for a larger role going forward with Lynch's health and contractual uncertainty, and as long as Turbin plays well it's a win-win situation for Seattle. Keep Lynch as healthy as possible for the playoffs while grooming Turbin for a bigger role next year when Lynch leaves the team.
I have a feeling as this season moves along there will be more and more uncertainty with Lynch's status on a weekly basis leaving owner's frustrated and having no idea what to expect. One week he'll go for 125/2, the next his back will flare up and he'll go 5/20 and come out of the game while Turbin goes on for 15/75/2. Obviously using random numbers here but the point is that it could be a bit of a crapshoot from here on out. By season's end, I think the fantasy points coming from Seattle's running game will be somewhat evenly, yet randomly, distributed between both Lynch and Turbin making them both RB2's, with Michael doing just enough to be rostered but not consistent enough to be more than a desparation flex.
Of course, I could be completely wrong. Lynch could play through pain and continue to be a fantasy monster keeping Turbin on the bench. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, but I just have a feeling that the first scenario may be on the horizon. In Seattles offense, Turbin also has a great opportunity to succeed if guven the opportunity as opposed to a Storm Johnson/ Latavius Murray type of situation where opportunity wouldn't necessarily equal success.
When you combine Lynch's back issues with Seattle's "next man up" philosophy, a scenario where Lynch is slowly phased out over the course of the season as Turbin is phased in is plausible as Seattle looks beyond this season alone. Seattle has already proven a willingness to let Lynch walk, so after what happened this year I'd say it's likely that Lynch doesn't play for Seattle next year. Next year Turbin plays the Fred Jackson role to Christine Michael's Spiller. Carroll has no choice but to prepare Turbin for a larger role going forward with Lynch's health and contractual uncertainty, and as long as Turbin plays well it's a win-win situation for Seattle. Keep Lynch as healthy as possible for the playoffs while grooming Turbin for a bigger role next year when Lynch leaves the team.
I have a feeling as this season moves along there will be more and more uncertainty with Lynch's status on a weekly basis leaving owner's frustrated and having no idea what to expect. One week he'll go for 125/2, the next his back will flare up and he'll go 5/20 and come out of the game while Turbin goes on for 15/75/2. Obviously using random numbers here but the point is that it could be a bit of a crapshoot from here on out. By season's end, I think the fantasy points coming from Seattle's running game will be somewhat evenly, yet randomly, distributed between both Lynch and Turbin making them both RB2's, with Michael doing just enough to be rostered but not consistent enough to be more than a desparation flex.
Of course, I could be completely wrong. Lynch could play through pain and continue to be a fantasy monster keeping Turbin on the bench. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, but I just have a feeling that the first scenario may be on the horizon. In Seattles offense, Turbin also has a great opportunity to succeed if guven the opportunity as opposed to a Storm Johnson/ Latavius Murray type of situation where opportunity wouldn't necessarily equal success.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
That's what I thought at the end of last year too. But then all the reports out of camp were about how good Hillman looked and he started the preseason games with Ball out. So now that he is healthy is CJ still unquestioned as the backup?
Fever in the Funkhouse
Footballguy
I own turbin, but not lynch. I think seattle rides lynch until they clinch home field advantage, and I think he holds up. He's a beast, and Seattle doesn't care about lynch in 2015 at the moment.
satch
Footballguy
I guess it depends on whether or not Lynch's back is actually an issue or just an excuse for a day off. If it's a real issue, then putting the team on his back wouldn't be very wise, especially when they have a proven, capable back like Turbin to share the load. I do agree that they'll get everything they can out of Lynch before he's gone, but it'll be managed wisely and wearing him down before the playoffs wouldn't make a lot of sense. I disagree that Seattle doesn't care about 2015 at the moment. They've gotten to where they are by planning for the future.I also own Turbin but not Lynch. The scenario I laid out is one I think could happen, but I'm certainly not banking on it to happen. I can't predict the future more than anyone else, but in fantasy football you have to make educated guesses and hope for the best. If the scenario I described plays out, great for Turbin owners. If not, very little invested or lost. Seems like a decent gamble though all things considered. We're talking about speculative adds here, not sure things,
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Fever in the Funkhouse
Footballguy
They definitely care about 2015. Is lynch in their plans, is I guess what I question.
satch
Footballguy
Agreed. If Lynch is in their plans for 2015 then managing his health is important which would imply more Turbin. If Lynch is NOT in their plans for 2015 then they need to start approaching things as if Turbin is taking over the reigns. Either scenario leads to Turbin becoming more invloved, especially if Lynch's back becomes increasingly problematic.
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satch
Footballguy
"Phasing Lynch out" is the wrong choice of words. Though, I think "phasing Turbin in" may be accurate. What I mean is that I can see a scenario where Lynch's back issues combined with his uncertain status for 2015 might be enough for Carroll to start using Turbin more now while keeping Lynch healthy for the playoffs and another Super bowl run. It's not a knock on Lynch, just seems like a strong RBBC approach might make sense for Seattle at this point. Keeps Lynch at his strongest, keeps Turbin involved and mentally prepared if/when Lynch's back keeps him out of action, and provides the foundation for next years possible changing of the guard.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Why? Pretty sure Christine Michael would become a bigger factor if Lynch goes down. I think Tubin would be the main back but he wouldn't be as locked into the #1 RB role as Lynch is right now. I would expect Turbin to suffer at least a 20% reduction from Lynch's production across the board, maybe more.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I love how LaMicheal James was picked up in my redraft ffpc league last night after waivers had processed. I had three RBs on my radar since the WW is so incredibly thin. They were Taliaferro with the news of a Pierce being questionable (and BAL signing up a RB from their practice squad today), Polk because he's extremely talented, about two months reserved from a grade 2 hamstring tear and a very important handcuff moving forward, and LaMicheal James because who knows if he'll hold value after he's signed over the weekend. They were the only players grabbed last night and I only got Taliaferro.
Been doing this in every league.
I actually have to drop one of Dunbar, Turbin, CJ Anderson by tomorrow morning to get a kicker. I want to hold all of them. Shocked more people aren't all over these guys, and are instead rostering 2nd QBs, low TE2s, backup defenses (lol) etc. And these are in some pretty knowledgeable decent money leagues ($150+).
Das Boot
Footballguy
A RB off the WW that provides 80% of the scoring that Lynch does would be pretty valuable.
To me, Turbin is the best choice among speculative RBs because he's already getting reps and scoring some FF points, and Lynch has a history of back problems and runs with a punishing style, so IMO he's one of the most likely primary RBs to get injured (I think Foster is #2 among injury risks, so Blue is a good add as well).
I also personally like the upside of Turbin and think he can/will surprise as lead RB.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
wormburner
Footballguy
This from RotoWorld:Arians announced that Parmele will get GL work but can he really hold any value?Just looked and he's not even in the waiver database for our league. Anyone else have same issue on MFL?50% FAAB?
Here's a ####### deep one. LaMicheal James after he's picked up by someone next week.
Replacing Parmele AND bypassing Taylor would give Grice some value. Though he did sound pedestrian in the preseason threads.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
JFS171
Footballguy
I should add one here: Fozzy Whittaker
Being completely ignored, but he's behind Stewart and DW on the depth chart in Carolina, which is currently a solid place to be. He was hurt this past week but could return this week - Rivera's exact quote said they would see where Fozzy is this week. Been ahead of Reaves the whole time, and I assume would slot back in ahead of Reaves if he's good to go this week. Had a strong preseason for Carolina.
If he's not good to go, I would expect Lache to be signed from the PS (which may happen anyway).
He's also interesting because of position eligibility. I believe he's listed as a WR on most sites.
Born to Run
Footballguy
I have one available roster slot in my deep bench, RB starved, dynasty league and plan to fill it with Reaves, Oliver, or Banyard. Don't like the situation in Min or Car; anyone know if Oliver has the talent to be a productive NFL running back?
doubletrouble
Footballguy
just picked up Lache Seastrunk as a flyer
Braktastic
Footballguy
Put him back.
I feel for you though. I picked him up again, but just dropped him for Charles Johnson. I'm officially done with this guy. The Lache is dry.
massraider
Footballguy
Seastrunk has heavy legs. Looks like he's running in mud. Forget about him,
Oh, and LaMichael James, too, for pete's sake.
Oh, and LaMichael James, too, for pete's sake.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
In 2012 Murray went down on 92 touches. In 2013 he went down on 115 touches. He's already accumulated 83 touches in a very short period of time. This ~100 touch threshold may be inaccurate, who knows, but I'm holding Randle for the next couple of games.
This intrigues me. Is Randle or Dunbar the likeliest to get carries or will they split?
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
It will be a split. Id say Dunbar is more talented but cant carry the full load. What Randle would do with his share is probably the biggest question. In leagues where Im hawking backups, Ive avoided DAL just because if Murray goes down no one will come close to his role, unlike a Knile Davis type situation.
