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Who's going to win

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I don't think many people are thinking it will be a blow out, but the title of the thread is "who is going to win?".

IMO...thats Seattle.

Not sure why we are arguing if you think Seattle will win as well.
FWIW, here are the statements that I was reacting to:
I think Seattle gets a late score to cover the spread.
Now go and count how many posts in this thread have said that Washington will win or it will be a close game....not many at all. That is what I reacted to.
Way to take my comment out of context. :rolleyes: I specifically said it would be a close game until the end. If the entire game is close and Seattle scores a touchdown with two minutes to go to win 24-13 (the score I predicted), that doesn't mean it wasn't a close game. It means the game had a final margin that is not necessarily indicative of how close it really was.

 
Yes, Seattle has beaten the opponents they've gone up against. OK, fine. I'm not saying that they don't deserve to be where they are at. But if want to objectively say who the better team is, then you have to look at SOS. And its very very close: Seattle has a 13-3 record against a very easy schedule, Washington has a 10-6 record against the 2nd hardest schedule in the league, Washington beat Seattle heads up. IMHO those 3 facts mean that the 2 teams are very close in terms of how good they are. I don't know how you can look at those 3 facts and conclude that Seattle is definitively better. :shrug:
Ummm, probably cause I am not just looking at only those items when concluding who the better team is.SOS and head to head 14 games ago are not the only items I look at to determine who has a better team....maybe you should do the same.
Please tell me what you do look at then. And no matter what you say, you're not going to get away from SOS though. For example, if you say "I think Seattle is better because they were good at this stat." Well then I'm going to respond by saying that they were only good at that stat because of weak SOS.
Howabout is I say....-they have a better OL

-they have a better QB

-they have a better running game

-they have HFA and the Skins have to take a cross country flight which takes away time to prepare

-they have a better offense

-they have a defense that will be able to keep the Skins offense from scoring many points

-they have a stud CB in Trufant that will be matched up against S. Moss all day

-they have a week of rest and practically all their starters playing

-they are playing a banged up Redskins team

Is that enough?
-Agree on the OL-When both are healthy, not sure I agree on the QB. I'd say even. Washington has a better backup QB imho.

-LOL at "running game." Thats just repeating your first statement again and counting it as two statements. Washington has a better RB imho, although I think its very close, so I'll call it even. But then I think Washington has a better backup QB.

-Oh I agree totally about that. Thats why I'm picking them to win. But thats not an issue- we're not discussing who will win, as we already agree on that. We are discussing who the better team is.

-Over the course of the season, they definitely have the better offense. Over the course of the past month and a half, its been close.

-The Redskins have a better defense. Lets be fair and not just ignore points that don't favor Seattle.

-Define "stud" CB

-and the last two points also don't address who the better team is. They address who will win, and as I said, we already agree on that.
So do you think Washington is a better team than the Hawks?I woud like to hear why you think so.

 
Joe Gibbs can't coach any more. Clinton Portis is a dud in Washington. The Redskins defense is a porous bunch of nobodies that never causes turnovers. The Redskins offense was inept in consecutive must-win games against Dallas, the Giants, and Philadelphia. The Redskins never give full effort, and never beat teams who are "better" than them. :bag:

Seattle by 50 points at least. :bag:
That has to be the worst thought out and completely incorrect post I've ever seen on these boards. Sounds like an Iggles or Cowboys fan to me.
Look up.(whoosh!)

:)

Redskin fan since the 60's

 
Joe Gibbs can't coach any more. Clinton Portis is a dud in Washington. The Redskins defense is a porous bunch of nobodies that never causes turnovers. The Redskins offense was inept in consecutive must-win games against Dallas, the Giants, and Philadelphia. The Redskins never give full effort, and never beat teams who are "better" than them.  :bag:

Seattle by 50 points at least.  :bag:
Don't forget the fact that Mark Brunnell is old and shot, that the Jets ripped the Redskins off in the Coles for Moss trade, and that Redskins fans are just a bunch of bandwagon fans despite the fact that they have been consistently one of the most supportive fan bases in the league (attendance, merchandise, etc.) while also having one of the worst teams in the league for the past 10 years. In all seriousness, although I am a Redskin fan myself (and have been so lo these many dark, losing years), I see them losing a close one (3 pts perhaps) to Seattle. At this point they are playing with "house money" though...the season is so much more successful than anyone would have predicted. I will still be rooting for them, but objectively I think this one will be tough...

BTW, reason I say that this game will be close...the Redskins D will keep it that way, IMO. Think about it...how many games have the Redskins lost BIG. Pretty much just to the Giants right...while losing close to TB, SD, Oak (ack), Den, and KC. Other than Oakland, those are all decent teams, so Wash hasn't shown a general propensity to get blown out.

M

 
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Hey Tird, How many threads you gonna post this in? You started your own which is very in-depth with all your three dollar inputs and I see it everywhere else as well. I think you should post this in every single thread on the site. You and jwswdfghtw should become the same user because you have the same empty arguments. Or are you the same poster? Huh.
No doubt, birdbrain is really full of himself, that same post is all over the place, he must really love to read his own stuff. jwvdcw does post alot, but it's just wrong to put him at birdbrains level. You can at least have a conversation with him, you may not agree with him, but you can communicate. Birdbrain is off in his own world.
 
4. I predicted they would lose to Seattle, as I've said many times in my thread, but I think it'll be very close and I could easily see them upsetting them.

I would love to see your posts on the Redskins this year, and I'm very interested how on earth you can critisize my arguments when I've been pretty much flawless this whole year including PICKING THEIR EXACT RECORD AFTER WEEK 2.

FWIW I think that the Redskins are Seattle are completely even teams- if anything I think that Washington is better. I think that Seattle only has a better record due to their easy schedule. However, I think that due to Washington playing 3 straight road games, Washington getting burned out after being in 6 straight must win games, Seattle being extremely well rested, and HFA, Seattle will win, but as I said, I don't think it'll be a blowout, and I think Washington could win. I think Seattle has a 60% chance of winning and Washington has a 40% chance of winning.
When you make statements like 'I think Seattle will win, but it will be close, and Washington could win', it's hard to be wrong.And your analysis for how the Skins made the playoffs after they were the #8 seed was strictly going by Vegas spreads. That's Vegas and the bettors doing the work, not you.

As for your prediction for their overall record, the end result was correct, but the way you got there was incorrect. It's not like you predicted every game (you expected the Skins to beat the Raiders and lose to the Giants) and knew that your major competition at the time- the Eagles- were going to lose all their starting personnel over the course of the season.

If you're going to declare yourself the all-knowing, all-wise prognosticator, then you invite skepticism and critics to pick at you.

 
Jackson, Trufant, Dyson and Herndon are all practicing and will be playing which is very good news.Besides the season ending injuries to Hamlin and Sharper, the Hawks have a healthy lineup.

 
"The Redskins don't need to look nearly that far ahead. In fact, they may not want to look as far ahead as Saturday, when they face the Seahawks in Seattle in the next round of the playoffs. No one knows better than the 'Skins that the effort against the Bucs will not cut it against Seattle. If Portis plans on showing up with sore shoulders again, the 'Skins might just as well skip the whole thing and save the cross-country airfare."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/foot...bucs/index.html
 
Yes, Seattle has beaten the opponents they've gone up against. OK, fine. I'm not saying that they don't deserve to be where they are at. But if want to objectively say who the better team is, then you have to look at SOS. And its very very close: Seattle has a 13-3 record against a very easy schedule, Washington has a 10-6 record against the 2nd hardest schedule in the league, Washington beat Seattle heads up. IMHO those 3 facts mean that the 2 teams are very close in terms of how good they are. I don't know how you can look at those 3 facts and conclude that Seattle is definitively better. :shrug:
Ummm, probably cause I am not just looking at only those items when concluding who the better team is.SOS and head to head 14 games ago are not the only items I look at to determine who has a better team....maybe you should do the same.
Please tell me what you do look at then. And no matter what you say, you're not going to get away from SOS though. For example, if you say "I think Seattle is better because they were good at this stat." Well then I'm going to respond by saying that they were only good at that stat because of weak SOS.
Howabout is I say....-they have a better OL

-they have a better QB

-they have a better running game

-they have HFA and the Skins have to take a cross country flight which takes away time to prepare

-they have a better offense

-they have a defense that will be able to keep the Skins offense from scoring many points

-they have a stud CB in Trufant that will be matched up against S. Moss all day

-they have a week of rest and practically all their starters playing

-they are playing a banged up Redskins team

Is that enough?
-Agree on the OL-When both are healthy, not sure I agree on the QB. I'd say even. Washington has a better backup QB imho.

-LOL at "running game." Thats just repeating your first statement again and counting it as two statements. Washington has a better RB imho, although I think its very close, so I'll call it even. But then I think Washington has a better backup QB.

-Oh I agree totally about that. Thats why I'm picking them to win. But thats not an issue- we're not discussing who will win, as we already agree on that. We are discussing who the better team is.

-Over the course of the season, they definitely have the better offense. Over the course of the past month and a half, its been close.

-The Redskins have a better defense. Lets be fair and not just ignore points that don't favor Seattle.

-Define "stud" CB

-and the last two points also don't address who the better team is. They address who will win, and as I said, we already agree on that.
How can you state that Portis is as good as SA?
 
While everyone is talking about SOS, I will point out that out of the two teams, only Washington has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Seattle's game against GB)

 
Yes, Seattle has beaten the opponents they've gone up against. OK, fine. I'm not saying that they don't deserve to be where they are at. But if want to objectively say who the better team is, then you have to look at SOS. And its very very close: Seattle has a 13-3 record against a very easy schedule, Washington has a 10-6 record against the 2nd hardest schedule in the league, Washington beat Seattle heads up. IMHO those 3 facts mean that the 2 teams are very close in terms of how good they are. I don't know how you can look at those 3 facts and conclude that Seattle is definitively better. :shrug:
Ummm, probably cause I am not just looking at only those items when concluding who the better team is.SOS and head to head 14 games ago are not the only items I look at to determine who has a better team....maybe you should do the same.
Please tell me what you do look at then. And no matter what you say, you're not going to get away from SOS though. For example, if you say "I think Seattle is better because they were good at this stat." Well then I'm going to respond by saying that they were only good at that stat because of weak SOS.
Howabout is I say....-they have a better OL

-they have a better QB

-they have a better running game

-they have HFA and the Skins have to take a cross country flight which takes away time to prepare

-they have a better offense

-they have a defense that will be able to keep the Skins offense from scoring many points

-they have a stud CB in Trufant that will be matched up against S. Moss all day

-they have a week of rest and practically all their starters playing

-they are playing a banged up Redskins team

Is that enough?
-Agree on the OL-When both are healthy, not sure I agree on the QB. I'd say even. Washington has a better backup QB imho.

-LOL at "running game." Thats just repeating your first statement again and counting it as two statements. Washington has a better RB imho, although I think its very close, so I'll call it even. But then I think Washington has a better backup QB.

-Oh I agree totally about that. Thats why I'm picking them to win. But thats not an issue- we're not discussing who will win, as we already agree on that. We are discussing who the better team is.

-Over the course of the season, they definitely have the better offense. Over the course of the past month and a half, its been close.

-The Redskins have a better defense. Lets be fair and not just ignore points that don't favor Seattle.

-Define "stud" CB

-and the last two points also don't address who the better team is. They address who will win, and as I said, we already agree on that.
How can you state that Portis is as good as SA?
I would say they are very even. Portis playing in Seattle would put up sick stats as well.
 
"The most worrisome problem is the continuing breakdown of Clinton Portis. With both shoulders and his wrist hurting and likely headed for offseason surgery, every Portis carry is a danger zone. Portis is reporting losing the feeling in his arms and can’t be counted on to get deep in the game."
 
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I'm shocked at how lopsided this poll is. I'm picking the Redskins to win, and if either team was going to blow the other out, it'd be the Skins, not the Seahawks. Seahawks won't score more than 17 off that defense. Sorry for being an NFC hater, but I think that the Seahawks aren't nearly as good as their record would indicate. Washington has been the better team of late, and they already beat the Seahawks once.

 
While everyone is talking about SOS, I will point out that out of the two teams, only Washington has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Seattle's game against GB)
:lmao: I will also point out that of the two teams, only Seatle has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Washington's game against OAK)

 
While everyone is talking about SOS, I will point out that out of the two teams, only Washington has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Seattle's game against GB)
:lmao: I will also point out that of the two teams, only Seatle has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Washington's game against OAK)
Oh, I didn't realize the Skins sat all their starters in the Oakland game. Seattle rested their starters in the Week 17 Green Bay game, so thats why he didn't count it.
 
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While everyone is talking about SOS, I will point out that out of the two teams, only Washington has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Seattle's game against GB)
:lmao: I will also point out that of the two teams, only Seatle has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Washington's game against OAK)
Oh, I didn't realize the Skins sat all their starters in the Oakland game. Seattle rested their starters in the Week 17 Green Bay game, so thats why he didn't count it.
I got what he was saying. Just pointing out how rediculous it sounded.
 
While everyone is talking about SOS, I will point out that out of the two teams, only Washington has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Seattle's game against GB)
:lmao: I will also point out that of the two teams, only Seatle has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Washington's game against OAK)
Oh, I didn't realize the Skins sat all their starters in the Oakland game. Seattle rested their starters in the Week 17 Green Bay game, so thats why he didn't count it.
I got what he was saying. Just pointing out how rediculous it sounded.
Why is it ridiculous? Is a game when the Hawks rested their starters really indicative of the product they put on the field?

 
While everyone is talking about SOS, I will point out that out of the two teams, only Washington has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Seattle's game against GB)
:lmao: I will also point out that of the two teams, only Seatle has lost a game to a team with a losing record.(Not counting Washington's game against OAK)
Oh, I didn't realize the Skins sat all their starters in the Oakland game. Seattle rested their starters in the Week 17 Green Bay game, so thats why he didn't count it.
I got what he was saying. Just pointing out how rediculous it sounded.
Why is it ridiculous? Is a game when the Hawks rested their starters really indicative of the product they put on the field?
Again, I understand the point. The comparison was a stretch and has no validation what so ever.
 
Oh... and just to touch on that +9 line....I just wasted an awful lot of time compiling stupid stats... but this year (after week 1.. couldn't find week one spreads) when Vegas odds-makers picked a team to win by more than 6 points, those teams had a record of 63-13. And at 8+ points it was even higher. Oh... and most of those upsets were from the Dolphins, Oakland (not covering), and Green Bay (not covering). Probably a better stat than how many times Josh Brown has hit the upright. :)

 

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