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Why are so many of the greatest rock groups predominantly British? (1 Viewer)

I think British groups just have a higher "hit" percentage. And I dont see how their worst bands can be any worse than some of ours. Is there a British equivalent of something as bad as Nickleback or Creed? Also, most of American classic rock is associated with trailer parks and the South, and camaros parked on front lawns, etc. very redneck. I could see an upstanding brit like James Bond rockin out to Pink Floyd in his Aston Martin, but who's listening to Steppenwolf or the Allman Brothers? The guy with 5 teeth, driving his 70s pickup through Podunk, Arkansas to get to his brother Cletus' house (who's also his uncle), that's who. its all about image.

 
1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
This is more aligned with where I was coming from in posing the question, especially 2.

Syd Barrett was an art student, and he basically had no formal academic responsibilities and could do whatever he wanted.

Roger Waters briefly, Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, David Bowie, Brian Eno, Freddie Mercury.

Another thought that crossed my mind is that England has been a country longer. The US was more recent and diverse socially and culturally, and maybe therefore musically. There could be good and bad from greater unification or diversity, in terms of musical developments, individually and collectively. But your point 3, could explain why the press apparatus might be less divided into myriad musical branches, lending a bigger push to those getting attention at that moment, which seemingly could facilitate propelling them to greater fame?

 
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Why are so many of the greatest rock groups predominantly British?
The ones I've seen listed in this thread are actually 100% British.
Jimi Hendrix Experience was only 66.66% British.
The late iteration subbing Billy Cox for Noel Redding billed the JHE for Live At Berkeley (a.k.a. Cry Of Love - the band, that is, not the album, also a different posthumous album with that title) 2/3 American. Band Of Gypsies with Buddy Miles subbing for Mitch Mitchell was 100%, but another band (and a one off to help Jimi settle a financial obligation).

 
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1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
This is more aligned with where I was coming from in posing the question, especially 2.

Syd Barrett was an art student, and he basically had no formal academic responsibilities and could do whatever he wanted.

Roger Waters briefly, Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, David Bowie, Brian Eno, Freddie Mercury.

Another thought that crossed my mind is that England has been a country longer. The US was more recent and diverse socially and culturally, and maybe therefore musically. There could be good and bad from greater unification or diversity, in terms of musical developments, individually and collectively. But your point 3, might explain why the press apparatus might be less divided into myriad musical branches, lending a bigger push to those getting attention at that moment, which seemingly could facilitate propelling them to greater fame?
The UK specialty music press was obsessed with discovering and hyping the next big thing, which helped some worthy bands immeasurably while burdened other artists with impossible expectations. There really hasn't been any US equivalent since Creem and Crawdaddy bit the dust. Rolling Stone is too traditionalist. Spin tried but I think the scene had already begun to fragment by then. Geography factors in here as well. You can tour England in a van and reach every tastemaking market in a couple of weeks. So a band could capitalize immediately on one rave review in the NME. Breaking the US is a much more time consuming and expensive endeavor.

 
I think you do have to look at the diversity of American music. Also look to prior to tbe British Invasion. The artists prior to the Brits were either solo artists or vocal groups. The British invasion were primarily 'rock bands' or what every one thinks of as 'rock bands'.

The British Invasion is also, arguably, the start of classic rock era. So it would go as the starters of this movement would be considered as the best. The American music wasn't coming from the same background. The rhythm and blues that spawned these rock bands more or less spawned into the motown/soul music that you dont want to consider a as 'rock' music. American rock music was coming crom the folk and country scenes. I would then surmise that the jazz influence combined with the british rock the spawned the psychedlic rock. The more country/folk influence spawned the country-rock and southern rock(with the british rock influence well)

 
1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
This is more aligned with where I was coming from in posing the question, especially 2.

Syd Barrett was an art student, and he basically had no formal academic responsibilities and could do whatever he wanted.

Roger Waters briefly, Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, David Bowie, Brian Eno, Freddie Mercury.

Another thought that crossed my mind is that England has been a country longer. The US was more recent and diverse socially and culturally, and maybe therefore musically. There could be good and bad from greater unification or diversity, in terms of musical developments, individually and collectively. But your point 3, might explain why the press apparatus might be less divided into myriad musical branches, lending a bigger push to those getting attention at that moment, which seemingly could facilitate propelling them to greater fame?
The UK specialty music press was obsessed with discovering and hyping the next big thing, which helped some worthy bands immeasurably while burdened other artists with impossible expectations. There really hasn't been any US equivalent since Creem and Crawdaddy bit the dust. Rolling Stone is too traditionalist. Spin tried but I think the scene had already begun to fragment by then. Geography factors in here as well. You can tour England in a van and reach every tastemaking market in a couple of weeks. So a band could capitalize immediately on one rave review in the NME. Breaking the US is a much more time consuming and expensive endeavor.
And the better and more vigorous they got at hyping bands, probably the more they sold, in a kind of feedback loop that further stoked the fame of the bands and appetite of the fans, leading to even more sold papers and magazines, etc.

I'd also point out the US was always (and remains?) dominant in blues and jazz, two of our great indigenous art forms. The Western film has been called another. So maybe it isn't that big a surprise that we aren't dominant in EVERY possible genre (maybe it is Italy in opera, Germany in the classical symphonic canon, and Krautrock, pretty much a tautology :) )?

I also meant to say that after the top handful, imo it is pretty even, so maybe depending on the sense meant, it isn't so dominant, and the thread title was ambiguous. I'm not here to be the arbiter of taste. I just don't have much point of reference to discuss how the Supremes or Dylan are rock groups in the sense of the Beatles, Stones, Who, etc. But if others want to discuss it in the thread, feel free, anybody can talk about whatever they want. If I don't participate in every single sub-discussion, don't interpret that as a lack of interest or disagreement, sometimes things can lead to an enrichment of collective understanding in the thread from unexpected directions, so I would encourage contrarian POV and input.

BTW, Stoney got me thinking about a poll, when he talked about subjective and personal criteria, which was a very good point. As posed, the thread subject is very vague, and it helps to discuss what we mean, the intention, so we aren't in a position of not even knowing whether we agree or disagree, or why. The poll was to address it not just being my arbitrary sense of great rock group, or somebody else's, etc. So when Uruk-Hai is talking about Motown, and I talked about contrarian and poll (where would the Supremes place relative to Beatles, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, Floyd, etc.), it doesn't mean I think he is wrong. I was just addressing it from the standpoint of a poll. Since this is subjective, as others have pointed out, his taste and sensibility is equally valid. For me, they aren't a rock band, but that is my subjective taste speaking, I should recognize and acknowledge that for the purposes of the larger discussion.

* Clearly the word *ROCK* is like a big black box, which a lot of stuff can be put in. We would need to look no further than the Beatles for an example of that phenomenon at work. They were masters of vocal harmonies, and loved the Everly Brothers and girl groups, and actively tried to incorporate those stylings into their early sound. Rubber Soul inspired Pet Sounds across the pond, which in turn inspired Sgt. Pepper, etc.

 
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Eephus said:
1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
Never though about this. Seems like it would have a lot to do with it - great call Eephus. Most American bands just don't compare - lots of good ones, but not leaders except for Allman Bros, Creedence, Beach Boys ...TODD, I know I am missing others but the UK has it. Didn't translate to other European countries who all sound like death metal or the Yorik Bros.

 
Eephus said:
1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
Never though about this. Seems like it would have a lot to do with it - great call Eephus. Most American bands just don't compare - lots of good ones, but not leaders except for Allman Bros, Creedence, Beach Boys ...TODD, I know I am missing others but the UK has it. Didn't translate to other European countries who all sound like death metal or the Yorik Bros.
How about this? We know the roots of British rock came from a bunch of British teens that got hooked on the blues. Maybe there is some piece of British culture that makes teens particularly unhappy and led them to "relate" to the American bluesmen?

 
Eephus said:
1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
Never though about this. Seems like it would have a lot to do with it - great call Eephus. Most American bands just don't compare - lots of good ones, but not leaders except for Allman Bros, Creedence, Beach Boys ...TODD, I know I am missing others but the UK has it. Didn't translate to other European countries who all sound like death metal or the Yorik Bros.
If e are talking about art schools and rock, can't count out America's greatest contributions to that era and style of rock: The Talking Heads and Velvet Underground.

 
Eephus said:
1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
Never though about this. Seems like it would have a lot to do with it - great call Eephus. Most American bands just don't compare - lots of good ones, but not leaders except for Allman Bros, Creedence, Beach Boys ...TODD, I know I am missing others but the UK has it. Didn't translate to other European countries who all sound like death metal or the Yorik Bros.
If e are talking about art schools and rock, can't count out America's greatest contributions to that era and style of rock: The Talking Heads and Velvet Underground.
No discount on either ...love them. Both would rank substantially lower than a lot of UK bands mentioned either is all.

 
Eephus said:
1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
Never though about this. Seems like it would have a lot to do with it - great call Eephus. Most American bands just don't compare - lots of good ones, but not leaders except for Allman Bros, Creedence, Beach Boys ...TODD, I know I am missing others but the UK has it. Didn't translate to other European countries who all sound like death metal or the Yorik Bros.
If e are talking about art schools and rock, can't count out America's greatest contributions to that era and style of rock: The Talking Heads and Velvet Underground.
No discount on either ...love them. Both would rank substantially lower than a lot of UK bands mentioned either is all.
After the Stones, Floyd, Beatles and LZ, I don't think there is any British band "clearly better" than TH or VU.
 
Eephus said:
1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
Never though about this. Seems like it would have a lot to do with it - great call Eephus. Most American bands just don't compare - lots of good ones, but not leaders except for Allman Bros, Creedence, Beach Boys ...TODD, I know I am missing others but the UK has it. Didn't translate to other European countries who all sound like death metal or the Yorik Bros.
If e are talking about art schools and rock, can't count out America's greatest contributions to that era and style of rock: The Talking Heads and Velvet Underground.
No discount on either ...love them. Both would rank substantially lower than a lot of UK bands mentioned either is all.
After the Stones, Floyd, Beatles and LZ, I don't think there is any British band "clearly better" than TH or VU.
The Who, the Hollies, The Kinks, and The Moody Blues right off the top of my head were better. Queen, Radiohead, Oasis, and Fleetwood Mac are some newer ones that were WAY better. Iron Maiden, Duran Duran, and the Smith were also better pprobably.
 
Eephus said:
1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
Never though about this. Seems like it would have a lot to do with it - great call Eephus. Most American bands just don't compare - lots of good ones, but not leaders except for Allman Bros, Creedence, Beach Boys ...TODD, I know I am missing others but the UK has it. Didn't translate to other European countries who all sound like death metal or the Yorik Bros.
If e are talking about art schools and rock, can't count out America's greatest contributions to that era and style of rock: The Talking Heads and Velvet Underground.
No discount on either ...love them. Both would rank substantially lower than a lot of UK bands mentioned either is all.
After the Stones, Floyd, Beatles and LZ, I don't think there is any British band "clearly better" than TH or VU.
The Who, the Hollies, The Kinks, and The Moody Blues right off the top of my head were better. Queen, Radiohead, Oasis, and Fleetwood Mac are some newer ones that were WAY better. Iron Maiden, Duran Duran, and the Smith were also better pprobably.
I would agree and would add Traffic, Cream, The Zombies, Yardbirds, Tull and Badfinger as British bands I would rather listen to than VU and the TH. But that's me... it's all a matter of taste. There is no right or wrong answer here
 
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Eephus said:
1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
Never though about this. Seems like it would have a lot to do with it - great call Eephus. Most American bands just don't compare - lots of good ones, but not leaders except for Allman Bros, Creedence, Beach Boys ...TODD, I know I am missing others but the UK has it. Didn't translate to other European countries who all sound like death metal or the Yorik Bros.
If e are talking about art schools and rock, can't count out America's greatest contributions to that era and style of rock: The Talking Heads and Velvet Underground.
No discount on either ...love them. Both would rank substantially lower than a lot of UK bands mentioned either is all.
After the Stones, Floyd, Beatles and LZ, I don't think there is any British band "clearly better" than TH or VU.
The Who, the Hollies, The Kinks, and The Moody Blues right off the top of my head were better. Queen, Radiohead, Oasis, and Fleetwood Mac are some newer ones that were WAY better. Iron Maiden, Duran Duran, and the Smith were also better pprobably.
I would agree and would add Traffic, Cream, The Zombies, Yardbirds, Tull and Badfinger as British bands I would rather listen to than VU and the TH. But that's me... it's all a matter of taste. There is no right or wrong answer here
Sorry if any of these are repeats:

King Crimson

David Bowie

Mott the Hoople

Roxy Music

Blind Faith

Spencer Davis Group

Traffic

Black Sabbath

Deep Purple

Elvis Costello

George Harrison

Paul McCartney

T Rex

Small Faces

Humble Pie

Elton John

Uriah Heep

Sex Pistols

The Clash

Traffic

Squeeze

Procol Harem

Yardbirds

Kinks (mentioned?)

Yes

 
I see thatcyou have failed to mention these American rock bands:

The Allman Brothers Band

Lynyrd Skynyrd

Aerosmith

Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band

Bob Dylan

Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers

Pearl Jam

Nirvana

ZZTop
As I said, probably forgetting some, thanks for the oversight corrections. I wasn't trying to be comprehensive and exhaustive as much as representative.

Would you take any of these over the Beatles, Who, Stones, Zeppelin?
I may face some backlash, but I'd take Dylan as generally competitive to those four, I never got the super-hype surrounding the beatles or the stones, but love a bunch of what The Who and Zeppelin put out.

On a personal level, I listen to more PJ and Nirvana than anyone on that list due to them being the bands I grew up with (who is tough to put on the list due to comparison in amount of the body of work available).

 
mostly because while you jagalonis are arguing on the internet the brits are out kicking as and taking names just sayin take that to the bank me mateyhans

 
Stop reading Rolling Stone's idiotic history of pop music and quit remembering the aisles at Tower Records as gospel in genre. You alluded to it previously, but then dismissed it by falling into the genre pit yourself. I can name more exceptions than you can name a rule.

For instance, the Wrecking Crew was better (and truer) to how music is made than ####### Pink Floyd (who should give every royalty they ever got to Alan Parsons).
:lmao:

 
I agree with the guy who said "just enjoy the music"

But I want to take exception to the person who said "very little of the music of the British bands is original."

This is a common argument people make against these bands. You know, they stole everything.

Here's the deal. THEY ALL STOLE SOMETHING. Robert Johnson, who I love, stole lots of his music from Skip James. Who did Skip James steal from?? Not sure because recording doesn't go back that far, but I'm sure he heard someone and grabbed some of their ideas and incorporated some of his own and made something slightly different out of it. Louis Armstrong, probably the greatest musician this country has every produced, stole lots of stuff from King Oliver. Who stole stuff from Buddy Bolden. Who did Bolden steal from?? No idea. Once again, the era of recorded music started before that.

In any event. The Beatles were influenced by Little Richard, Buddy Holly, Elvis, the Everly Brothers, Fats Domino, Chuck Berry, etc. Some of their songs you can hear the influences of those people. Some of the songs are pretty darn original. I mean, I don't hear Little Richard in A Day In The Life or Tomorrow Never Knows. Now, I am NOT advocating that Led Zeppelin should be able to claim that the Lemon Song was written by Page and Plant. That's not what I mean. Give credit, but recognize that the Lemon Song is quite a bit different than Traveling Riverside Blues...

Bottom line, they all do it. Even the hushed crowds that listen to every word ever uttered by Muddy Waters like it's gospel need to realize that I Be's Troubled was VERY influenced by Robert Johnson. One could almost say stolen...

 
There is a scene in Round (About?) Midnight, when Wayne Shorter in turn references a scene from the British classic technicolor film Red Shoes.

A composer stole music from a student. The latter writes a letter to the impresario running the show, but than thinks better of it, and attempts to retrieve it before it is opened and read. He ends up getting an audition, and gets hired, eventually replacing the composer. Anyway, at the end of the audition, when he asked for the letter back, he finds out it was already read. The impresario advises him not to worry about it and put it behind him. Also, he leaves him with the thought - It is better to be stolen from, than to have to steal.

But yeah, everybody steals. Some have better taste, are more artful in how they synthesize their influences, and there is a LOT of variance in talent brought to the table in addition to the influences in forging a unique amalgam.

There have been complaints of a racial nature that, while African American musicians have dominated blues, jazz, soul, R & B, funk and certainly held their own in pop, there aren't a lot of black rock artists. Jimi Hendrix of course comes immediately to mind, as an exception to the rule, but after him? Arthur Lee of Love wasn't a major star (perhaps some of that was self-inflicted). I love Funkadelic like Uruk Hai, and while I wouldn't put them up with the Beatles or Pink Floyd, do think they are as much rock and delic as funk, and are great. Living Color wasn't huge.

This has brought ire from some quarters, that original blues artists weren't as palatable as the British white artists that were influenced by them. Maybe it is just a genre thing. I think most are familiar with the concept that jazz music (unless you were Miles Davis, at the top of the pyramid, or a huge seller like Dave Brubeck), is not as high paying a gig as being a rock star. For a LONG time, rock has sold better than jazz (again, there are the exceptions that prove the rule, Kind Of Blue continues to move a lot of units, but maybe not as much as Dark Side Of The Moon). To me that speaks more to taste and popularity, not racism. In other genres, certainly many African American artists have succeeded at the highest level (Michael Jackson owned the Beatles catalog). Miles was very successful, but was still jealous of the popularity and sales of some soul/funk/pop/rock stars, and while he increasingly incorporated elements of the music of James Brown, Sly Stone and Jimi Hendrix into his music in the early to mid '70s, an album like On The Corner, which is for me a masterpiece and one of the best things he ever did, still obviously wasn't hit material. That was his choice. But in his domain, it might of added to his stature as an artist and mystique as an iconoclast.

Hendrix seems like an obvious counter-example that racism may not have been the entire, or even important part of the answer, as he was generally revered and held in awe by virtually all rock demographics (beginning with the musicians themselves, The Beatles, Stones, Who, Clapton, etc.).

* if you think of a pool of influences something like a gene pool, than DIVERSITY and QUANTITY as well as QUALITY of influences come into play. Even before Hamburg, The Beatles seemed to want to differentiate themselves with value add to their music by being voracious listeners and getting rare singles (manager owned a record store or chain) and learning B sides. In Hamburg, playing sometimes 8 hours a night forced them to broaden and diversify their repertoire. Along with playing constantly and sharpening their vocal harmonies and instrumental chops (Malcolm Gladwell in Blink wrote about the 10,000 hour threshold to become a virtuoso in the classical music world, and made this exact connection to the Beatles, I think?), they had a very deep and diverse well spring of inspirations to draw from right before countdown and launch into Beatlmania, which put them at an advantage to virtually all of their peers (that, and having Lennon and McCartney as primary songwriters, Harrison later and Ringo had inimitable charm and musical phrasing/accent, with the latter two perfect complements).

Having fewer or worse influences, would be akin to a genetic backwater, leading to the musical equivalent of in-breeding. :)

 
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It's rock, dude, not a hermeneutics*, semiotics or Chomsky linguistics seminar.

* The study of people named Herman (like Herman's Hermits).

 
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I don't agree with this assertion at all... can't think of one great band that was predominantly British. They are either all British or all American (or whatever country)

 
Lind McCartney was in the Wings.

Plastic Ono Band

Beatles and Billy Preston

* Yankee Doodle and the Limeys

 
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1. The dole

2. British art schools

3. UK music press

4. Geography

The decline of 1-3 corresponds to the loss of influence of the English music industry.
Never though about this. Seems like it would have a lot to do with it - great call Eephus. Most American bands just don't compare - lots of good ones, but not leaders except for Allman Bros, Creedence, Beach Boys ...TODD, I know I am missing others but the UK has it. Didn't translate to other European countries who all sound like death metal or the Yorik Bros.
If e are talking about art schools and rock, can't count out America's greatest contributions to that era and style of rock: The Talking Heads and Velvet Underground.
No discount on either ...love them. Both would rank substantially lower than a lot of UK bands mentioned either is all.
After the Stones, Floyd, Beatles and LZ, I don't think there is any British band "clearly better" than TH or VU.
The Who, the Hollies, The Kinks, and The Moody Blues right off the top of my head were better. Queen, Radiohead, Oasis, and Fleetwood Mac are some newer ones that were WAY better. Iron Maiden, Duran Duran, and the Smith were also better pprobably.
The Who and Kinks are great and I would put put them on par with all bands mentioned. LOL at all the rest being WAY better. Duran Duran? Stop trolling.

 
Let's talk songwriting:

Bob Dylan

Paul Simon

Bruce Springsteen

Billy Joel

I think these 4 are as good as any British songwriter I can think of.

 
Lennon/McCartney

Davies

Taupin/John

The Glimmer Twins

Morrissey & Marr

Elvis Costello

Paul Weller

Richard Thompson

Paddy McAloon

Alex Turner

 
Let's talk songwriting:

Bob Dylan

Paul Simon

Bruce Springsteen

Billy Joel

I think these 4 are as good as any British songwriter I can think of.
The best ever.

Very good.

Very good.

Cheesy.
Billy never gets the critical respect he deserves. But 100 years from now people will still be listening to his songs.
Doubt it, people have already stopped listening to him.
Talented guy. I'm in between you two in my opinion of Joel.

I wish he would still write and record new material. A great songwriter is supposed to write songs, not just milk the oldies.

 
I'm asking this because I don't know. Did England/Europe go through it's "youth movement" a little before the US?

I think the US was still pretty conservative in the early/mid 60s. Did the "British Invasion" help spark what happened in the US in the mid/late 60s?

I'm not the historian that many of you are. Just wondering what your thoughts are concerning the above.

 
I'm asking this because I don't know. Did England/Europe go through it's "youth movement" a little before the US?

I think the US was still pretty conservative in the early/mid 60s. Did the "British Invasion" help spark what happened in the US in the mid/late 60s?

I'm not the historian that many of you are. Just wondering what your thoughts are concerning the above.
In terms of fashion, I would say yes. For example, when the Beatles started wearing their hair long, that caused youths to wear their hair long over here.

In terms of social conflict and politics, I would say no. The Vietnam War and the Civil Rights movement had a lot more to do with that IMO.

 
I see thatcyou have failed to mention these American rock bands:

The Allman Brothers Band

Lynyrd Skynyrd

Aerosmith

Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band

Bob Dylan

Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers

Pearl Jam

Nirvana

ZZTop
Yea...sorry, I'll take Beatles stones, zep, sabbath, purple, who, Floyd, yes, genesis, Tull, cream, queen, maiden, priest etc over anybody on that list, as decent as some of those bands that you listed are....
 
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I'm asking this because I don't know. Did England/Europe go through it's "youth movement" a little before the US?

I think the US was still pretty conservative in the early/mid 60s. Did the "British Invasion" help spark what happened in the US in the mid/late 60s?

I'm not the historian that many of you are. Just wondering what your thoughts are concerning the above.
In terms of fashion, I would say yes. For example, when the Beatles started wearing their hair long, that caused youths to wear their hair long over here.

In terms of social conflict and politics, I would say no. The Vietnam War and the Civil Rights movement had a lot more to do with that IMO.
England had to deal with post-war austerity but had an outburst of youth culture in the 50s. It probably had a bigger effect on the mainstream than in the US because the UK was more urbanized than America at the time and because of the same geographical factors I talked about earlier in the thread. There were the teddy boys who begat the rockers and also influence of African and Caribbean colonials who immigrated in large numbers.

Colin Macinnes' London trilogy of novels from the mid-50s capture the Zeitgeist, at least in my mind's eye. Absolute Beginners is the most famous of the three but City of Spades is the best.

 
I'm asking this because I don't know. Did England/Europe go through it's "youth movement" a little before the US?

I think the US was still pretty conservative in the early/mid 60s. Did the "British Invasion" help spark what happened in the US in the mid/late 60s?

I'm not the historian that many of you are. Just wondering what your thoughts are concerning the above.
In terms of fashion, I would say yes. For example, when the Beatles started wearing their hair long, that caused youths to wear their hair long over here.

In terms of social conflict and politics, I would say no. The Vietnam War and the Civil Rights movement had a lot more to do with that IMO.
Thanks Tim, appreciate the reply. I understand what you're saying about Vietnam and the Civil Rights movement. The fashion, long hair, would still be considered defiance in what was still a pretty conservative era. Did that defiance help empower the US youth?

Back to the original question, did the British go through their youth movement before the US? I'm not sure the US was the trend-setter at that time.

ETA: I do vote that the best British rock bands are better than the best US rock bands. :shrug:

 
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