Why do I/we dislike Brady Quinn so much? (1 Viewer)

[Colin Dowling]

(The last choice is only sort of a joke.)

I can't figure out why I dislike QUinn so much. I was watching NFL Live or something last night and he was on talking about how his agent actually HAD been talking to the Raiders about contract parameters should he be their choice. Whether that's true or not, I have tired of reading articles and seeing interviews where Quinn talks about how special he is. His tone doesn't strike me as "confidence" but more of "blind arrogance." Add in that like most people, I LOVE players who play big in big games and Quinn was the antithesis of this.

That said, he's clearly talented. I don't think he's the same level of quarterback of Palmer, Manning, Brady, etc., due to a lack of arm strength and accuracy. However, he does have better then average touch, throws well on the move, and is a better runner then advertised. He may never be Elway, but he's not exactly David Carr either.

Anyway, as he's talking on NFL Live I blurt out something derogatory about him. The wife asks, "Why do you say that?" So I explained that he's not the best player in the draft by a long shot and I think lobbying for a draft spot is weak. The wife responds, "Don't they get paid more if they are drafted higher? Why wouldn't you try to do everything you could to get drafted higher....I'd do the same thing..."

And she's right. I can't begrudge Quinn for trying to get himself selected first. Aaron Rodgers did the same thing and by not getting picked first, he lost a TON of money (and opportunity). I don't think QUinn's dropping to 24, but I could see him in the teens pretty easily.

Why do you dislike him? Or do you?

 

[Warpig]

I like him. He's a workout warrior and he's a game tape grunt. A student of the game if you will.

I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and they made a very important point about him...he STARTED for 4 years in an NFL style offense with subpar supporting cast and he kept his mistakes to a minimum.

That's pretty much all you need from your qb right? I mean if he's pretty accurate and has more than sufficient arm...

Most people are convincing themselves that he's not gonna be a good pro. I think otherwise.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

From a draft standpoint, I've been saying he should be the #1 pick and I believe that more now than ever.

But to your point, CD, I totally get where you're coming from. I saw an interview with him on ESPN last night and he comes across as a guy with a sense of entitlement. I hate that. It seems like he feels he's OWED the #1 overall spot because he's Brady Quinn - starting QB for The University of Notre Dame.

He seems like a total jerk and I doubt he and I would get along together.

But if I'm an NFL GM, I realilze I'm not inviting him to entertain at garden parties.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Starting in an NFL offense for 4 years doesn't really impress me, all things considered. In today's game, that (to me) means that the team didn't use the quarterback's legs a ton and didn't run a lot of 4 wide sets on first/second down. Eh.

To be clear though, having a lot of starting experience is a big deal.

 

[mozzy84]

From a draft standpoint, I've been saying he should be the #1 pick and I believe that more now than ever.

But to your point, CD, I totally get where you're coming from. I saw an interview with him on ESPN last night and he comes across as a guy with a sense of entitlement. I hate that. It seems like he feels he's OWED the #1 overall spot because he's Brady Quinn - starting QB for The University of Notre Dame.

He seems like a total jerk and I doubt he and I would get along together.

But if I'm an NFL GM, I realilze I'm not inviting him to entertain at garden parties.

he didn't come off as a jerk at all to me on nfl live anyways , seemed like a pretty smart dude, knew exactly what to say. I am with you and think he should go top three for sure.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Maybe he's a Red Sox fan.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I like him. He's a workout warrior and he's a game tape grunt. A student of the game if you will.I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and they made a very important point about him...he STARTED for 4 years in an NFL style offense with subpar supporting cast and he kept his mistakes to a minimum.That's pretty much all you need from your qb right? I mean if he's pretty accurate and has more than sufficient arm...Most people are convincing themselves that he's not gonna be a good pro. I think otherwise.

I agree with you 100%. I think he is the #1QB of this years class.

 

[Kit Fisto]

First, I must disclose that I am a huge Notre Dame fan so take that for what it's worth.

I have watched Quinn play for the past 4 years, and what impresses me about him the most is he just has "it". I feel the same way about Quinn as I felt about Leinart... this kid is going to be a rock-solid pro.

The reason why I think people dislike him is because of the attention he's garnered being QB of such a high profile team like ND. Being the golden boy can be polarizing. Half of America loves you, the other half hates you. (See the endless Tom Brady/Peyton Manning love/hate discussions.) People dislike ND simply for the fact that they get the royal treatment from the national media and for that, I understand. Sometimes it makes me uncomfortable too.

So hate ND, hate Quinn? That's unfair.

I'm sorry I can't (or don't care to) quantify my instincts with statistics or records in big games, etc. Lots of NFL QBs haven't had anywhere near the success of Quinn, but they turned out alright.

 

[massraider]

This is funny, I was talking about this on a Raider board, and said something very similar.

Basically, if the Raiders decide he's their guy, I'll root for him. I want JaMarcus, but I sure don't pretend to watch enough tape to back up what I'm saying.

Disliking him has little to do with his game, although I do wonder about his accuracy, especially on anything outside or down the field.

It has to do with him, personally, the guy. He sounds like he has read every scouting report, every pre-draft write-up, every puff piece ever written about him since high school. He sounds like he has been tracking his stock since freshman year.

And when he talks about getting drafted, I don't get the sense that he wants to be a Raider, who hold the number 1 pick. He just wants to be the Number 1 Pick. He wants to be everyone's All-American. I haven't heard him use the words "Super Bowl" in any interview. Just how he had plans out of high school, and they involved the #1 pick, and "boy, can you believe my stock is falling? I've had Coach Weis for the past two years!" Me, Me, Me.

His comments sound rehearsed, and calculated. He knows what questions are coming, and knows what answers will sound great.

Assuming he's not drafted by my Raiders, I hope he's pumping gas in 3 years.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

This is why Quinn would scare me if I were a Raiders, Lions or Browns fan:

Career vs. Top 25 teams

8 wins 10 losses

54% completions

6.3 Yards Per Pass Attempt

19 Interceptions

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I have watched Quinn play for the past 4 years, and what impresses me about him the most is he just has "it". I felt the same way about Leinart... this kid is going to be a rock-solid pro.

Seems like people are pretty evenly split on whether or not Quinn has "it".

 

[Yitbos69]

Being a four year starter at a big time school and playing for Charlie Weiss are two reasons I really like Quinn. He is 6'4" 232 pounds with a strong arm. If this guy gets past Cleveland I would be shocked.

 

[trader jake]

I happen to like the guy and feel that he is the top QB available.

Some people don't like Brady Quinn for many of the same reasons they don't like Peyton Manning.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

This is why Quinn would scare me if I were a Raiders, Lions or Browns fan:

Career vs. Top 25 teams

8 wins 10 losses

54% completions

6.3 Yards Per Pass Attempt

19 Interceptions

Can you give these same stats for the current 32 starters in the NFL?Point is, win/loss record is A factor in whether or not a QB will succeed in the NFL.

 

[Kit Fisto]

This is why Quinn would scare me if I were a Raiders, Lions or Browns fan:

Career vs. Top 25 teams

8 wins 10 losses

54% completions

6.3 Yards Per Pass Attempt

19 Interceptions

Please list same college career statistics for Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, Trent Green, Jake Delhomme, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Matt Hasselbeck, Brett Favre, Matt Schaub, Philip Rivers...

 

[TheBradyBunch]

Actually, Brady's sister is MARRIED to a Green Bay Packer. That's the real head-scratcher to me!

Did Brady ever play well in a big game...ever? I can remember watching many of ND's hyped games only to come away thinking...ooooooo-ver-rated!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Actually, Brady's sister is MARRIED to a Green Bay Packer. That's the real head-scratcher to me!

A.J. Hawk

Did Brady ever play well in a big game...ever? I can remember watching many of ND's hyped games only to come away thinking...ooooooo-ver-rated!

What you saw was an overrated Notre Dame team that wouldn't have had a prayer had it not been for Quinn.

 

[LTsharks]

This is why Quinn would scare me if I were a Raiders, Lions or Browns fan:

Career vs. Top 25 teams

8 wins 10 losses

54% completions

6.3 Yards Per Pass Attempt

19 Interceptions

Can you give these same stats for the current 32 starters in the NFL?Point is, win/loss record is A factor in whether or not a QB will succeed in the NFL.

and include touchdowns as well. thanks.(i don't know if it is 6 or 36, but seems if you are going to include interceptions you should include tds)

 

[Kit Fisto]

What you saw was an overrated Notre Dame team that wouldn't have had a prayer had it not been for Quinn.

 

[Warpig]

This is why Quinn would scare me if I were a Raiders, Lions or Browns fan:

Career vs. Top 25 teams

8 wins 10 losses

54% completions

6.3 Yards Per Pass Attempt

19 Interceptions

I'm not disagreeing with you. However, I wonder what Peyton Manning's numbers were against better college teams...especially the Florida Gators.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

This is why Quinn would scare me if I were a Raiders, Lions or Browns fan:

Career vs. Top 25 teams

8 wins 10 losses

54% completions

6.3 Yards Per Pass Attempt

19 Interceptions

Can you give these same stats for the current 32 starters in the NFL?Point is, win/loss record is A factor in whether or not a QB will succeed in the NFL.

I guess my point is if I have one of the top 3 picks in a top-heavy draft I'd be concerned about a QB that consistently has underperformed against good college teams over a large body of work. This despite having one of the great offensive coaches of our time as his head coach. I'd also have some concern regarding his move up a competition level (NCAA to NFL) and moving down a coaching level, Weis to Lane Kiffin or Romeo Crennel.

 

[Colin Dowling]

What part of "it" did you see while he was getting bested by every decent team he played? USC, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan...the list is long of quality programs where he didn't come through. More then that, the list is ample of games where he was TERRIBLE against better-then-average competition.

I think that's the biggest obstacle I'm having to overcome with him. Against elite competition he was ordinary. I understand the supporting cast arguments, and understand that Notre Dame was in some cases playing in games they had no business being in, but not once against what I could consider a top-20 team did I look out and say, "Jeez, Brady Quinn is the best player on the field."

 

[buster c]

If I had his looks, I'd try to become the next Peter North.

He was on the Fox morning news program and threw the piggy clear across the street and into the back of a pickup truck (where weasely Brian bobbled it, but made the grab).

I think he'll be a solid NFL player and if I'm the Raiders, I'd pull the trigger on him instead of Jamarcus "Akili" Russell. He has great size and a good head for the game.

 

[Kit Fisto]

What part of "it" did you see while he was getting bested by every decent team he played? USC, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan...the list is long of quality programs where he didn't come through. More then that, the list is ample of games where he was TERRIBLE against better-then-average competition.

I think that's the biggest obstacle I'm having to overcome with him. Against elite competition he was ordinary. I understand the supporting cast arguments, and understand that Notre Dame was in some cases playing in games they had no business being in, but not once against what I could consider a top-20 team did I look out and say, "Jeez, Brady Quinn is the best player on the field."

Off hand, I remember thinking just that during the ND/USC game from 2005... the game where Leinart brought USC back with 1:30 left in the game, and won it with the QB sneak. That game was Notre Dame's until the defense let them down.

All I could think of watching that game was how much I'm going to enjoy watching Quinn and Leinart face off again and again in the NFL.

 

[C Boswell]

(The last choice is only sort of a joke.)I can't figure out why I dislike QUinn so much. I was watching NFL Live or something last night and he was on talking about how his agent actually HAD been talking to the Raiders about contract parameters should he be their choice. Whether that's true or not, I have tired of reading articles and seeing interviews where Quinn talks about how special he is. His tone doesn't strike me as "confidence" but more of "blind arrogance." Add in that like most people, I LOVE players who play big in big games and Quinn was the antithesis of this.That said, he's clearly talented. I don't think he's the same level of quarterback of Palmer, Manning, Brady, etc., due to a lack of arm strength and accuracy. However, he does have better then average touch, throws well on the move, and is a better runner then advertised. He may never be Elway, but he's not exactly David Carr either. Anyway, as he's talking on NFL Live I blurt out something derogatory about him. The wife asks, "Why do you say that?" So I explained that he's not the best player in the draft by a long shot and I think lobbying for a draft spot is weak. The wife responds, "Don't they get paid more if they are drafted higher? Why wouldn't you try to do everything you could to get drafted higher....I'd do the same thing..."And she's right. I can't begrudge Quinn for trying to get himself selected first. Aaron Rodgers did the same thing and by not getting picked first, he lost a TON of money (and opportunity). I don't think QUinn's dropping to 24, but I could see him in the teens pretty easily.Why do you dislike him? Or do you?

u do not like him b/c televsiion and radio guys told you not to like him. the guy can make all the throws and he is a smart guy to boot. playing under weiss has only made him better. the joke of the draft will be JaMarcuss Russell who didnt fare well himself against great talent in college. go back and look and the Auburn, Tenn and another game out of conference...forgot.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I'm confused as to how Jamarcus Russell didn't fare well against great talent in college? He had one game all year (Florida) with a sub-100 passer rating.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Love the myth that Quinn played with minimal talent at ND. Including the top offensive coach in college football Quinn was armed with these players the past two years:

WR Jeff Samardzija (would have been an NFL 1st rounder if not for MLB)

WR Rhema McKnight (likely mid-round pick this year)

WR Mo Stovall (3rd round pick 2006)

TE John Carlson (likely 1st round pick in 2008)

TE Anthony Fasano (2nd round pick 2006)

RB Darius Walker (likely mid-round pick this year)

OT Ryan Harris (likely 1st Day pick this year, played LT for Quinn all 4 years)

OG Dan Santucci (got a combine invite, late draft pick likely to make an NFL roster)

OG Dan Stevenson (6th round pick 2006)

 

[buster c]

Love the myth that Quinn played with minimal talent at ND. Including the top offensive coach in college football Quinn was armed with these players the past two years:WR Jeff Samardzija (would have been an NFL 1st rounder if not for MLB)WR Rhema McKnight (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Mo Stovall (3rd round pick 2006)TE John Carlson (likely 1st round pick in 2008)TE Anthony Fasano (2nd round pick 2006)RB Darius Walker (likely mid-round pick this year)OT Ryan Harris (likely 1st Day pick this year, played LT for Quinn all 4 years)OG Dan Santucci (got a combine invite, late draft pick likely to make an NFL roster)OG Dan Stevenson (6th round pick 2006)

compared to other big name programs, that's junk

 

[massraider]

u do not like him b/c televsiion and radio guys told you not to like him.

Ha. Yes, it's really unfair how brutalized he's getting by the national media.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Love the myth that Quinn played with minimal talent at ND. Including the top offensive coach in college football Quinn was armed with these players the past two years:WR Jeff Samardzija (would have been an NFL 1st rounder if not for MLB)WR Rhema McKnight (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Mo Stovall (3rd round pick 2006)TE John Carlson (likely 1st round pick in 2008)TE Anthony Fasano (2nd round pick 2006)RB Darius Walker (likely mid-round pick this year)OT Ryan Harris (likely 1st Day pick this year, played LT for Quinn all 4 years)OG Dan Santucci (got a combine invite, late draft pick likely to make an NFL roster)OG Dan Stevenson (6th round pick 2006)

compared to other big name programs, that's junk

Add to the fact that the Irish were almost always playing from behind, allowing defenses to tee off on Quinn, and the fact that he performed poorly in those situations everyone talks about is not surprising. I can't think of many college QBs that would have done better.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Love the myth that Quinn played with minimal talent at ND. Including the top offensive coach in college football Quinn was armed with these players the past two years:

WR Jeff Samardzija (would have been an NFL 1st rounder if not for MLB)

WR Rhema McKnight (likely mid-round pick this year)

WR Mo Stovall (3rd round pick 2006)

TE John Carlson (likely 1st round pick in 2008)

TE Anthony Fasano (2nd round pick 2006)

RB Darius Walker (likely mid-round pick this year)

OT Ryan Harris (likely 1st Day pick this year, played LT for Quinn all 4 years)

OG Dan Santucci (got a combine invite, late draft pick likely to make an NFL roster)

OG Dan Stevenson (6th round pick 2006)

We're not questioning the offense.Quinn can't score 40 points every week...

 

[ImTheScientist]

This is why Quinn would scare me if I were a Raiders, Lions or Browns fan:

Career vs. Top 25 teams

8 wins 10 losses

54% completions

6.3 Yards Per Pass Attempt

19 Interceptions

Can you give these same stats for the current 32 starters in the NFL?Point is, win/loss record is A factor in whether or not a QB will succeed in the NFL.

I guess my point is if I have one of the top 3 picks in a top-heavy draft I'd be concerned about a QB that consistently has underperformed against good college teams over a large body of work. This despite having one of the great offensive coaches of our time as his head coach. I'd also have some concern regarding his move up a competition level (NCAA to NFL) and moving down a coaching level, Weis to Lane Kiffin or Romeo Crennel.

Its ok to be wrong......you made your first post with out thinking much and then the others in this thread youI agree with them. I think Jay Cutler (mentioned previously) is a great example of a QB that was better than his supporting cast.

When I look at a QB I look at:

1) Can he make all the throws

2) Is he accurate

3) Most importantly ..... intelligence

4) Does he have the personality to be a team leader

5) Does he have pocket awareness

Quinn has all of these.

 

[TheFanatic]

Love the myth that Quinn played with minimal talent at ND. Including the top offensive coach in college football Quinn was armed with these players the past two years:WR Jeff Samardzija (would have been an NFL 1st rounder if not for MLB)WR Rhema McKnight (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Mo Stovall (3rd round pick 2006)TE John Carlson (likely 1st round pick in 2008)TE Anthony Fasano (2nd round pick 2006)RB Darius Walker (likely mid-round pick this year)OT Ryan Harris (likely 1st Day pick this year, played LT for Quinn all 4 years)OG Dan Santucci (got a combine invite, late draft pick likely to make an NFL roster)OG Dan Stevenson (6th round pick 2006)

Not a lotta guys on the other side of the ball on this list

 

[Kit Fisto]

Love the myth that Quinn played with minimal talent at ND. Including the top offensive coach in college football Quinn was armed with these players the past two years:WR Jeff Samardzija (would have been an NFL 1st rounder if not for MLB)WR Rhema McKnight (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Mo Stovall (3rd round pick 2006)TE John Carlson (likely 1st round pick in 2008)TE Anthony Fasano (2nd round pick 2006)RB Darius Walker (likely mid-round pick this year)OT Ryan Harris (likely 1st Day pick this year, played LT for Quinn all 4 years)OG Dan Santucci (got a combine invite, late draft pick likely to make an NFL roster)OG Dan Stevenson (6th round pick 2006)

Not a lotta guys on the other side of the ball on this list

 

[ImTheScientist]

I have watched Quinn play for the past 4 years, and what impresses me about him the most is he just has "it". I feel the same way about Quinn as I felt about Leinart... this kid is going to be a rock-solid pro.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Love the myth that Quinn played with minimal talent at ND. Including the top offensive coach in college football Quinn was armed with these players the past two years:WR Jeff Samardzija (would have been an NFL 1st rounder if not for MLB)WR Rhema McKnight (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Mo Stovall (3rd round pick 2006)TE John Carlson (likely 1st round pick in 2008)TE Anthony Fasano (2nd round pick 2006)RB Darius Walker (likely mid-round pick this year)OT Ryan Harris (likely 1st Day pick this year, played LT for Quinn all 4 years)OG Dan Santucci (got a combine invite, late draft pick likely to make an NFL roster)OG Dan Stevenson (6th round pick 2006)

compared to other big name programs, that's junk

Ok...let's look at LSU/Rusell's pro prospects on O the past two seasons:WR Dwayne Bowe (likely 1st rounder this yearWR Craig Davis (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Skyler Green (return man, 4th rounder 2006)WR Bennie Brazell (7th rounder 2006)TE NONERB Joseph Addai (1st rounder 2006)OT Andrew Whitworth (2nd rounder 2006)

 

[TheBradyBunch]

If Brady can't lead a "good" college team to big wins, how will he hold up when he's drafted by a horrible NFL team then?

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

(The last choice is only sort of a joke.)I can't figure out why I dislike QUinn so much. I was watching NFL Live or something last night and he was on talking about how his agent actually HAD been talking to the Raiders about contract parameters should he be their choice. Whether that's true or not, I have tired of reading articles and seeing interviews where Quinn talks about how special he is. His tone doesn't strike me as "confidence" but more of "blind arrogance." Add in that like most people, I LOVE players who play big in big games and Quinn was the antithesis of this.That said, he's clearly talented. I don't think he's the same level of quarterback of Palmer, Manning, Brady, etc., due to a lack of arm strength and accuracy. However, he does have better then average touch, throws well on the move, and is a better runner then advertised. He may never be Elway, but he's not exactly David Carr either. Anyway, as he's talking on NFL Live I blurt out something derogatory about him. The wife asks, "Why do you say that?" So I explained that he's not the best player in the draft by a long shot and I think lobbying for a draft spot is weak. The wife responds, "Don't they get paid more if they are drafted higher? Why wouldn't you try to do everything you could to get drafted higher....I'd do the same thing..."And she's right. I can't begrudge Quinn for trying to get himself selected first. Aaron Rodgers did the same thing and by not getting picked first, he lost a TON of money (and opportunity). I don't think QUinn's dropping to 24, but I could see him in the teens pretty easily.Why do you dislike him? Or do you?

I don't dislike him.Russell, for example, has "The Choosen One" tattood on his body. I mean, what's worse?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Maybe he'll be the Anti- Ryan Leaf.

Most everyone at the time though Leaf would be good (no need to tell me you thought he would suck) but turned out to be a huge bust.

Most everyone thinks Quinn will bust, maybe just maybe he might be a decent NFL QB.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If Brady can't lead a "good" college team to big wins, how will he hold up when he's drafted by a horrible NFL team then?

Put anyone other than Quinn on that team and NBC is considering dropping them from weekly coverage. They were only good because he made them good.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

This is why Quinn would scare me if I were a Raiders, Lions or Browns fan:

Career vs. Top 25 teams

8 wins 10 losses

54% completions

6.3 Yards Per Pass Attempt

19 Interceptions

Can you give these same stats for the current 32 starters in the NFL?Point is, win/loss record is A factor in whether or not a QB will succeed in the NFL.

I guess my point is if I have one of the top 3 picks in a top-heavy draft I'd be concerned about a QB that consistently has underperformed against good college teams over a large body of work. This despite having one of the great offensive coaches of our time as his head coach. I'd also have some concern regarding his move up a competition level (NCAA to NFL) and moving down a coaching level, Weis to Lane Kiffin or Romeo Crennel.

Its ok to be wrong......you made your first post with out thinking much and then the others in this thread youI agree with them. I think Jay Cutler (mentioned previously) is a great example of a QB that was better than his supporting cast.

When I look at a QB I look at:

1) Can he make all the throws

2) Is he accurate

3) Most importantly ..... intelligence

4) Does he have the personality to be a team leader

5) Does he have pocket awareness

Quinn has all of these.

LOL...how is anyone wrong or owned? This is all opinion until Quinn takes his first NFL snap. Easy tiger, I know you are still headhunting after SB XL but you can let it go now.

 

[Colin Dowling]

If Brady can't lead a "good" college team to big wins, how will he hold up when he's drafted by a horrible NFL team then?

Put anyone other than Quinn on that team and NBC is considering dropping them from weekly coverage. They were only good because he made them good.

I think that Jimmy Clausen will show you that is a GROSS mis-statement.

 

[Chaos Commish]

If Brady can't lead a "good" college team to big wins, how will he hold up when he's drafted by a horrible NFL team then?

Put anyone other than Quinn on that team and NBC is considering dropping them from weekly coverage. They were only good because he made them good.

Phooey. Put Trent Edwards on that team and he plays as good or better than Quinn for all four years. Now put Quinn in Stanford and he doesn't survive. Colin - you deleted that?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If Brady can't lead a "good" college team to big wins, how will he hold up when he's drafted by a horrible NFL team then?

Put anyone other than Quinn on that team and NBC is considering dropping them from weekly coverage. They were only good because he made them good.

I think that Jimmy Clausen will show you that is a GROSS mis-statement.

That will prove nothing. The only fair comparison would be if Clausen had played these last four years with the same cast as Quinn had. I don't see that happening unless Mr. Peabody shows up with the Wayback Machine. So that argument is moot.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If Brady can't lead a "good" college team to big wins, how will he hold up when he's drafted by a horrible NFL team then?

Put anyone other than Quinn on that team and NBC is considering dropping them from weekly coverage. They were only good because he made them good.

Phooey. Put Trent Edwards on that team and he plays as good or better than Quinn for all four years. Now put Quinn in Stanford and he doesn't survive.

All right. "Anybody" was a stretch. Edwards might have done well too.

 

[Kit Fisto]

If Brady can't lead a "good" college team to big wins, how will he hold up when he's drafted by a horrible NFL team then?

Put anyone other than Quinn on that team and NBC is considering dropping them from weekly coverage. They were only good because he made them good.

I think that Jimmy Clausen will show you that is a GROSS mis-statement.

...and in 4 years you'll be telling me how overrated Clausen is, too.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think that both QBs are overrated. I think that Quinn has major accuracy issues and gets rattled under pressure. I'm not convinced at all that Russell will be able to read NFL defenses. Of the two, I think Russell can have more success as long as he's in the right system and has athletic WRs.

And I think the thing that bugs me about Quinn is his seeming smugness. That seems to be the major thing rubbing most people the wrong way. He comes across as acting as if he is somehow entitled to be the #1 pick because that's what everyone was saying going into the season last year.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I think that both QBs are overrated. I think that Quinn has major accuracy issues and gets rattled under pressure. I'm not convinced at all that Russell will be able to read NFL defenses. Of the two, I think Russell can have more success as long as he's in the right system and has athletic WRs. And I think the thing that bugs me about Quinn is his seeming smugness. That seems to be the major thing rubbing most people the wrong way. He comes across as acting as if he is somehow entitled to be the #1 pick because that's what everyone was saying going into the season last year.

So hate him because of his perceived "smugness". Hate him because you hate the attention his overrated ND team got.But acknowledge the talent the kid has.

 

[Colin Dowling]

If Brady can't lead a "good" college team to big wins, how will he hold up when he's drafted by a horrible NFL team then?

Put anyone other than Quinn on that team and NBC is considering dropping them from weekly coverage. They were only good because he made them good.

I think that Jimmy Clausen will show you that is a GROSS mis-statement.

...and in 4 years you'll be telling me how overrated Clausen is, too.

That's not something I can possibly know now. I expect Clausen to be very good. My point was that the notion that Notre Dame was somehow "saved" by the presence of Brady QUinn was what I was in disagreement of.

 

[C Boswell]

I'm confused as to how Jamarcus Russell didn't fare well against great talent in college? He had one game all year (Florida) with a sub-100 passer rating.

u really need to get your head out of the NFL sand. College passer ratings above 100 are basically like pass/fail classes. it doesn't take alot to to have a passer rating above 100 in college.